Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 14 Dec 2009 09:07

Guruji: the best part in Shrill's latest rant was about the "americans" arrested in TSP. The paki-americans and others are now just "americans".

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 Dec 2009 09:07

Sabhi pakistaniyon ko 16 december (Azad Bangladesh) ki bahdai ho!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Dec 2009 09:09

No Muslim involved in suicide attacks in country’

(True, pakis are not true Muslims,they are ajalf converts)

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 009_pg7_17
“No Muslim is involved in suicidal attacks in Pakistan, and rather Blackwater (Xe) - a US private contractor - and Indian agents are involved in these incidents,” he said. Hassan expressed dissatisfaction over the lack of action by the government against India, and urged the foreign minister and interior minister to “take concrete measures against India for its dirty role in Pakistan”.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Dec 2009 09:10

Gagan wrote:Sabhi pakistaniyon ko 16 december (Azad Bangladesh) ki bahdai ho!

And Happy B'day to me, what a gift from IA!!

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 14 Dec 2009 09:41

I have not been keeping up with events.

What happened to Musharaff? Is he still hiding out in the UK or did he return?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 14 Dec 2009 09:54

Gagan,

Nice. However, did you goof up on the color on purpose?

Pakistan must pressure Afghan Taliban: Petraeus

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 Dec 2009 10:28

We need a separate thread to congratulate the residents of the Land of the Pure on this momentous achievement and day of reckoning.

NRao saar, did you mean halaal green? I just picked red-pink for greater visibility - some purelanders can be color blind.

PS: Please change the \ in the daily times url to / so that it'll be visible correctly.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 14 Dec 2009 10:29

Prem wrote:
Gagan wrote:Sabhi pakistaniyon ko 16 december (Azad Bangladesh) ki bahdai ho!
And Happy B'day to me, what a gift from IA!!

Happy Birthday Dear Prem

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 14 Dec 2009 10:32

India gears up to tackle 'financial terror'

New Delhi: India, for the first time, has decided to put together a 'financial terror dossier', which is expected to be handed over to Pakistan as evidence of its attempts to destabilise the Indian economy.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 14 Dec 2009 10:34

Nutty paki conspiracy theories

Clear and present danger
By Gul Bukhari
Monday, 14 Dec, 2009

Belief in conspiracy theories focusing on Pakistan is not only new, it is on the increase judging by the content of public blogs and TV talk shows.

One comes across a staggering number of people who are unwilling to look inward, instead placing all the blame on any combination of the CIA, the Federal Reserve, Mossad, RAW, the US, etc.

One natural reaction to this is to dismiss conspiracy theories as a folly present in every society. Still, in developed countries conspiracy theorists and their subscribers remain at the fringe.

In Pakistan’s context, conspiracy theories are on a different scale with different implications. Going by blogs, television and anecdotal conversations with educated and illiterate people, I would surmise we are talking about a frighteningly large proportion of the mainstream. Indeed, it is common to blame the Hindus and Jews for Pakistan’s security problems; the US, Blackwater and CIA for suicide attacks. And there is a total absence of introspection.

Why is the problem on such a large scale in Pakistan considering there are parallel demagogues in other countries? Why is the Pakistani public more susceptible than its western counterparts?

The answer can only be based on common sense since studies on the issue do not exist. The country is underdeveloped, lacks a decent social and physical infrastructure, its people don’t have access to economic or educational opportunities. Living in a war theatre, they face food and water insecurity and see themselves as victims.

Victims of whom, though? Not of themselves, no not even in part, but of the perfect villain (the US, Israel, India…), they are told by our local demagogues. And the reason? Pakistan is a Muslim country, and all the villains are waging a war against Islam. These conditions make for a fertile ground for the breeding and dissemination of conspiracy theories.

Once the black and white of it has been established, and the foreign culprits, states and agencies identified and accepted as the villains, any cooperation by the government with the evil forces is seen in the same light. This extends to fighting terrorism. Well-known proponents of conspiracy theories are continuously reducing complex geopolitical issues the country is in the middle of to simply a matter of Islam vs the West (also Israel and India). And on this canvas depicting the epic battle between Islam and the West/Zionism, our political and military leadership is being painted as ‘agents’ of CIA and the US.

The implications are grave. The common man is being prevented from seeing homegrown jihadism as a fundamental part of the problem. A housewife recently phoned in to a popular television programme on a day that a suicide bomber killed scores and, piously expressing her grief without condemning the act, said, ‘but first tell me who is behind all this?’ This attitude is typical.

As the spectre of imminent doom (the Taliban’s entry into Buner) receded some months ago, thanks to the current government and the armed forces undertaking to decisively push back the extremist insurgency, people started to lapse into their dimly lit comfort zone of conspiracy theories. Why? Because neither have the enabling conditions changed, nor have the leaders and proponents of conspiracy theories been confronted.

Demagogues like Dr Israr Ahmed and Zaid Hamid are playing the game unchecked and unchallenged. The political and military leadership, including President Asif Zardari, Interior Minister Rehman Malik and army chief Gen Parvez Kayani, is being painted as a traitor for fighting militancy. The implication is that by pitting the public against these symbols of the state, and the state’s battle with militancy, conspiracy theorists are turning the public against the state itself.

This is not the Pakistan of yesterday when great games were played and deals struck behind the public’s back, when the media was largely gagged and underdeveloped and, therefore, public opinion did not matter. If a war had to be fought, it was fought, and only sold as a jihad later on to the unknowing public, as Gen Ziaul Haq did in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

Today public opinion matters, as was evident in the case of Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry’s reinstatement, the demise of the National Reconciliation Ordinance, the repeal of governor’s rule in Punjab and the current reshuffle of some members of the federal cabinet. For this reason, the implications of conspiracy theories pitting the public against the state on a wide scale are grave.

In the media, there are two parallel universes operating, seemingly unaware of the existence of the other. That section of the media and analysts that carries on a rational debate on issues completely ignores conspiracy theorists. The other section, made up of specific anchors, columnists and programmes, carries on with these theories as if a rational world does not exist.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 14 Dec 2009 10:43

Gagan wrote:We need a separate thread to congratulate the residents of the Land of the Pure on this momentous achievement and day of reckoning.

the day of reckoning has not yet come gaganullah, not for the pakbarian army , nor the jihadis it has on a leash.

yesterday was the 8th winter of the parliament attacks.
last week was the 20th winter of kashmir insurgency both are still unanswered nor were the scores of attacks from that point on.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 14 Dec 2009 10:48

Err,
I was referring to the one gone by in 1971. Hoping all will join me in wishing pakistan continues to display the performance it displayed in 1971.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 14 Dec 2009 10:55

and wishing india too shows an encore to 1971

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 14 Dec 2009 11:22

CIA drone strikes may be expanded to Quetta: report

more pakistaniyat on display

americano: ‘If we don’t do this – at least have a real discussion of it – Pakistan might not think we are serious,’

pinglicano: ‘We are not a banana republic,’ (they have been screaming this out of their musharraf since musharraf) The Times quotes a senior Pakistani official as saying. If the United States follows through, the official said, ‘this might be the end of the road.’

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 14 Dec 2009 12:01

Abduls took some money for Kanadian Vija

KARACHI, Dec 13: In what is being described as the biggest ever bank heist in the country, private security guards robbed a bank of foreign currency worth Rs311.2 million on Sunday morning.

According to sources, five suspects used a gas cutter to open the strong room of the I.I. Chundrigar Road branch of Allied Bank.

According to police, the main suspect, Shahid Mehmood, a guard of a private security company, arrived at the bank at 7.30am, half an hour before he was to report for duty.

He waited for his four accomplices who arrived with a gas cutter and tied up guards Imran and Zamir and the building’s watchman Riaz.

It took them about three hours to break into the strong room which has seven large vaults. Shahid knew which vault contained foreign currency. They took away dollars, pounds and euros, police said.(why no Paki Rupee.. )

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 14 Dec 2009 12:03

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebcAiasF ... re=related

Says it all.....

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 14 Dec 2009 12:12

^Brilliant.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 14 Dec 2009 15:48

Pakistan court stays deporting of Americans

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 14 Dec 2009 17:36

The Paki campaign of flooding fake currency in India is actually tantamount to war being waged against us.They have used terrorism and now economic terror of a kind.There is little use in India presenting Pak with "dossiers",this idea smacks of the worst example of babudom! We've seen how they respect the hard evidence of 26/11 which was sent to them.We must use the methods of the street in dealing with Paki scumbags,flood Pak with tons of fake currency ourselves and immediately start changing our method of printing currency to make it almost impossibe to counterfeit.The Paki nationals operating from neighbouring countries must also be taken out in covert ops,as has been done in Nepal according to some reports.

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 14 Dec 2009 17:46

U.S. may expand strikes inside Pak on actionable intelligence The Hindu
Actionable Intelligence - if Rahman Mallik has it he will prevent terrorism in India, If Groper has it he will act against terrorists in pakistan (as he said in his interview in the UK). And if Obama has it he will....

I think it is fair to say, number one, that my principle is if we’ve got actual war intelligence on high-ranking al-Qaeda leaders, or for those matter high-ranking Taliban leaders who are directing actions against US troops, then we will take action,” Mr. Obama said.

He has taken a while, but to be fair to him this is what he said during his campaign.

At least a few time in his interview, Mr. Obama said he expects more cooperation from Pakistan in his fight against terrorism.

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 14 Dec 2009 17:56

Hard-line Pakistani schools lure foreigners MSNBC

Anas says he's not taught militant Islam at Binoria. But clerics firmly endorse suicide bombings and jihad against Western troops in Afghanistan on the school Web site, and Anas admits he is fed up with anti-American barbs from teachers and pupils.

"I get it like every second," says Anas, who left Louisiana last year with his Pakistani-born mother, barely spoke the national language when he arrived in Pakistan and misses Hannah Montana. "I'm like 'shut up' and don't talk like that."

Thais are believed to make up the largest single group of foreigners in the country. Almost all come from the south of the country, where Muslim insurgents are fighting a bloody war against the government of the Buddhist-majority country.

A Arun · Post by **A Arun** » 14 Dec 2009 18:58

At 1:14, Sheikh Rashid says "Main jab Delhi ki Jama Masjid mein gaya, toh laakhon log uss waqt iftaari ke namaaz ke liye pahunche aur log mere libaas ko choom rahe thhey... ki yeh Pakistani aaya hai, aur Shekh Rashid aaya hai... unhone mere paav choome, haath choome aur kapde choome"

At 5:10, "Jis din Agni missile chala, Maine khud Prime Minister Gillani se 2 dafa phone par kaha ki tum bhi chalao missile... buzdil ho? dare hue ho?"

At 6:35, "Humne tabaah kar liya hai apne mulk ko... Humne jab Kashmir ke azaadi ki ikhlaaki madad se haath kheencha, tab yeh saare mujahid hamare khilaaf ho gaye"

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 14 Dec 2009 19:00

Channel 4 was embedded into the lashkar of the uniformed jihadis
Pakistan war on Taliban 'has only just begun'

....Media coverage of the operation was virtually impossible as journalists were banned from reporting from the area except for "day trips" which the army set up couple of weeks into the operation.

As we had made a programme earlier in the year about the army action in Swat which had pleased the generals, we managed to get embedded after all the "clearances".

....All the officers who shared the room with us sported a beard and were devout Muslims. One colonel jokingly called the operation "the battle of the beards" as it was a fight about what constitutes a good Muslim as the Taliban always claimed the religious moral ground and claimed the longer the beard and the shorter the moustache made the better the Muslim.....

....Nearly every officer who discussed the situation was convinced there was foreign involvement helping or at least in arming the Taliban. They were astonished at the amount of weaponry that had been seized from the Taliban some of which had Indian marking, proof enough that India was providing the Pakistan Taliban with logistical support.

When I tried to point to the contradictions in that claim, I was thought to be naive and not understanding the complexity of the politics of the subcontinent.

Most of them are also convinced that America was complicit with India in helping the Taliban.

When I expressed exasperation at that claim, they argued back that American intentions are to create a civil war-like situation in Pakistan so that the US can send in their troops and take out Pakistan’s nuclear assets. (so spake the jihadis themselves and not their mouthpieces in civvies}

This distrust of American intentions is widespread in political and even government circles in Pakistan. Despite huge American aid and close traditional ties with the US over decades, Pakistanis in general have a serious distrust of American intentions and this propaganda victory of the Islamists in Pakistan is their greatest success.

Even a government minister told me over a private dinner that he believes the Americans are involved in helping the Taliban in Pakistan, and pointed out to the removal of Nato posts from the border when Pakistan launched its action in South Waziristan......

......The entire village had been raised to rubble and we were shown the network of tunnels and caves through which the Taliban made their escape to avoid capture. Despite our requests to see bodies or evidence of Taliban fighters taken as prisoners, the army was not able to show one body or prisoner and has not done so to date to any other journalist or media.

When we accompanied the army to the northern front where no other journalist had been taken, from Razmak near North Waziristan to the town of Makin, there was the same devastation: buildings reduced to rubble and other evidence of heavy artillery bombardment. Again there were no prisoners.

However, we were taken to the destroyed house of Baitullah Mehsud and a compound nearby where suicide bombers were trained. Here the walls had been painted with pictures depicting their view of heaven awaiting the would be martyrs, with maidens frolicking in rivers of milk as promised in the Quran and slogans written in the blood of Taliban prisoners paying homage to their suicide bombers as well as insults to Pakistani leaders.

.....Meanwhile the Taliban forces have strategically melted away without offering too much resistance into North Waziristan and other tribal areas.

Over the winter and spring I would guess that the Taliban intend to launch a counter insurgency which will last a lot longer and with a lot more pain not just for the army but the whole of Pakistan.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 14 Dec 2009 19:04

Marvi!!
And you were wondering whatever happened to her. Silly kufrs.

US exporting terrorism to Pakistan: Marvi

“There is a major contradiction in the statements of the US Secretary of State, Clinton, and US nationals’ transgression in Pakistan, and if the US doesn’t wish to act as a patron, it has no business exporting terrorism to Pakistan in the form of US nationals recently caught in Pakistan, planning terror attacks along with al-Qaeda,” PML-Q leader Marvi Memon told The News.

A patron, as in a "John"?

Marvi said if the government had any iota of sovereignty and national self-respect, it would call the US ambassador to the Foreign Office for explaining national policy on our security forces, having right to stop any vehicle for checking.

Well, there's your answer! Sovirginity.

“It is clear from the US nationals behaviour that they saw their role as patrons and colonialists. Kerry Lugar Bill has legalised US colonialism in Pakistan,” she added. She said patriotic parliamentarians would resist any efforts by the US to allow deportation of alleged US terrorists.

Here's endeth another illuminating episode of "Marvi: the woman scorned".

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 14 Dec 2009 19:08

U.S. Military Joins CIA’s Drone War in Pakistan

From the wired magazine.

The headquarters for the American military’s air war in Central Asia and the Middle East is located in a converted medical warehouse on an undisclosed base in a country the U.S. Air Force would rather not name. The lights are turned down low, so the troops can clearly see the giant screen at the far end of the in this cavernous, classified facility.

On that glowing screen is a digital map of Afghanistan, showing the position of every U.S. Air Force drone, every fighter jet, every bomber and every tanker aircraft with a teal dot. Most of the dots are positioned near the hotspots of the Afghanistan war — places like Kandahar, Helmand and Nangarhar provinces. But there are three dots, representing Air Force unmanned aerial vehicles, that aren’t above Afghanistan at all. These dots have moved to the east of the Afghan border; these drones are flying missions over Pakistan.

Over the past year and a half, the United States has stepped up drone strikes against militants in Pakistan — killing as many as a thousand people, by some estimates. Press accounts have largely credited the Central Intelligence Agency with running these missions. Government officials have refused to speak in public about drone attacks, just as they routinely rebuff any attempt to probe into the CIA’s operations. “I’m not going to comment on any particular tactic or technology,” Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently told a group of Pakistani journalists.

But the U.S. Air Force also plays an important role in the drone missions over Pakistan, according to current and former American military officials, and judging from what I saw at that undisclosed location. The military supplies the aircraft. It monitors the flights in and out of Pakistan. And, on occasion, Air Force pilots remotely fly their own drone missions over Pakistan. On that digital map are the far end of the warehouse, there’s a note reminding troops exactly how much notice they must give before U.S. military planes enter Pakistani airspace.

U.S. military drones began flying over Pakistan soon after the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001. “I dealt with the Pakistani air chief from the beginning,” says a former senior military officer. “At times, we operated a bit out of Pakistan.”

Read it all.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 14 Dec 2009 19:28

"We've only just begun...".Gilani croons to us like Karen Carpenter,about the grand war that Pak is waging against the Taliban.It is a sick joke.Iyt is merely meant to placate the Yanquis and extract more arms and moolah from them.How many of the really hard core Taliban have been caught or killed? Pak dare not exterminate the lot as it is their cutting edge against India.If he
is really serious he should blow up the ISI HQ lock, stock and barrel,with all those ungodly species inside.Pak's strategy is clear,filibuster for another 18-24 months when the US is expected to start retreating,then take over Afghanistan again and start the terrorists heading in India's direction.

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 14 Dec 2009 19:46

Brave pious wife-beater Munir Akram's snake oil:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=213161

Even within these parameters, Pakistan’s cooperation should be offered only in exchange for tangible and immediate US support for Pakistan’s national objectives: an end to Indian-Afghan interference in Baluchistan and FATA; a Kashmir solution; a military balance between Pakistan and India; parity with India on nuclear issues; transfer of equipment and technology for counter-terrorism; unconditional defense and economic assistance; free trade access.

This is what they are bargaining with.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 14 Dec 2009 19:53

Hiten wrote:Channel 4 was embedded into the lashkar of the uniformed jihadis
Pakistan war on Taliban 'has only just begun'

...

......The entire village had been raised to rubble ...

Err ... how do you do that

archan · Post by **archan** » 14 Dec 2009 20:13

A Arun wrote: At 1:14, Sheikh Rashid says "Main jab Delhi ki Jama Masjid mein gaya, toh laakhon log uss waqt iftaari ke namaaz ke liye pahunche aur log mere libaas ko choom rahe thhey... ki yeh Pakistani aaya hai, aur Shekh Rashid aaya hai... unhone mere paav choome, haath choome aur kapde choome"

It is strange that when Musharraf the brave general came to India he got snubbed by an Indian Muslim and was told to shut his trap and not comment on Indian Muslims..
Sheikh Rashid must have honey on his hands and feet.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 14 Dec 2009 20:14

Rishi wrote:Brave pious wife-beater Munir Akram's snake oil:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=213161

Even within these parameters, Pakistan’s cooperation should be offered only in exchange for tangible and immediate US support for Pakistan’s national objectives: an end to Indian-Afghan interference in Baluchistan and FATA; a Kashmir solution; a military balance between Pakistan and India; parity with India on nuclear issues; transfer of equipment and technology for counter-terrorism; unconditional defense and economic assistance; free trade access.
This is what they are bargaining with.

Are these retards for real?!

archan · Post by **archan** » 14 Dec 2009 20:15

Rishi wrote:Brave pious wife-beater Munir Akram's snake oil:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=213161

Even within these parameters, Pakistan’s cooperation should be offered only in exchange for tangible and immediate US support for Pakistan’s national objectives: an end to Indian-Afghan interference in Baluchistan and FATA; a Kashmir solution; a military balance between Pakistan and India; parity with India on nuclear issues; transfer of equipment and technology for counter-terrorism; unconditional defense and economic assistance; free trade access.
This is what they are bargaining with.

This means that Pakistan is willing to sell its Islamic brethren for this price? not a very Islamic nation they are now, are they?

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 14 Dec 2009 20:34

anupmisra wrote:Marvi!!
And you were wondering whatever happened to her. Silly kufrs.
....
Here's endeth another illuminating episode of "Marvi: the woman scorned".

Ha! And to think that just this past May, this very splendid Marvi the Jalebi (the name translates to "naughty but nutty") was invited and feted around the US on an all expense paid junket by the US State Department:

Marvi Memon, a member of the Pakistan Muslim League and the Pakistan National Assembly, along with four other Pakistani women, was invited by the State Department to the United States for a twenty-one day visit. While in the U.S., the women will travel to Minneapolis/St. Paul; Houston, Texas; and Raleigh, North Carolina. They will also meet with members of Congress, officials from the State Department, CIA, National Security Council, and the Agency for International Development.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/286480-5

Yuck. Write it down to a yet another foolish attempt at Pak outreach by the idiots in foggy bottom... The foggies might as well have put Zaid Zaman Hamid under a lipstick and dupatta and given him a junket to Disney and Las Vegas.

arun · Post by **arun** » 14 Dec 2009 20:44

X Posted.

The nuclear pigeons of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s reckless proliferation of nuclear weapon technology seem to be coming home to roost.

Times UK is reporting that the Islamic Republic of Iran has been clandestinely working on developing an Uranium deuteride based neutron initiator.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan which provided the Islamic Republic of Iran with nuclear weapon blue prints also uses an Uranium deuteride based neutron initiator

:

December 14, 2009

Secret document exposes Iran’s nuclear trigger

Confidential intelligence documents obtained by The Times show that Iran is working on testing a key final component of a nuclear bomb.

The notes, from Iran’s most sensitive military nuclear project, describe a four-year plan to test a neutron initiator, the component of a nuclear bomb that triggers an explosion. Foreign intelligence agencies date them to early 2007, four years after Iran was thought to have suspended its weapons programme.

An Asian intelligence source last week confirmed to The Times that his country also believed that weapons work was being carried out as recently as 2007 — specifically, work on a neutron initiator.

The technical document describes the use of a neutron source, uranium deuteride, which independent experts confirm has no possible civilian or military use other than in a nuclear weapon. Uranium deuteride is the material used in Pakistan’s bomb, from where Iran obtained its blueprint. …………………………

Times, UK

arun · Post by **arun** » 14 Dec 2009 20:44

X Posted.

Dr. Jeffrey Lewis at Armscontrolwonk using a photograph of A.Q. Khan confirms that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan used Uranium Deuteride initiators.

Use of UD3 initiators is apparently “relatively novel”

:

Uranium Deuteride Initiators

posted Monday December 14, 2009 …………………

I have no idea whether the document is authentic, but I do want to confirm that Pakistan appears to have used uranium deuteride (UD3) as a neutron initiator.

The Times story doesn’t adequately convey that this is a relatively novel source of neutrons for a bomb design. Technically inclined readers may recall that earlier accusations against Iran focused on more traditional route of polonium-beryllium (Po-Be). Several colleagues have emailed me, expressing surprise that Pakistan is alleged to have used UD3 instead of the Po-Be.

But yes, it appears that both China and Pakistan explored the use of UD3 as a neutron source. There are two data points of which I am aware. …………………

Armscontolwonk

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Dec 2009 20:47

archan wrote:This means that Pakistan is willing to sell its Islamic brethren for this price? not a very Islamic nation they are now, are they?

Archan, that characteristic had been exhibited from very early days of that country. They sided with the US-UK in the Suez canal issue against a very ummah Egypt, and their foreign minister, Feroze Khan Noon, wanted to recognize Israel. Even under Musharraf, when the intifada was at its peak, there was a move to recognize israel and establish relationship to thwart the growing Indo-Israel friendship. After all, aren't they refusing to take back stranded Bihari muslims of Bangladesh, those who supported them in 1971 ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Dec 2009 21:45

Rs. 310 million looted from a Karachi bank

That is one way the Taliban are getting their money. This is a common occurrence in Karachi especially.

Lauka · Post by **Lauka** » 14 Dec 2009 22:04

Some downhill skining gems from 1971.From the horses mouth

.More in the article and follow up article

"On 2 December, in the morning I held a durbar and informed the regiment that we would be going deep into Indian territory. I told them that the tanks would move by train to Reti, from there on tracks to Khenju where they would refuel and continue to the border, refuel again and go to Jaisalmir. I was worried that some of the men would not accept this and may use their personal weapons on officers or JCOs. I told the regiment that due to the shortage of weapons all the officers, JCOs and men did not have personal weapons therefore all personal weapons will be deposited in the kotes with the rear party. I also told them that my second in command would be at the tail of the regiment and he had my instructions to shoot anyone running away."

"While we were waiting for more tanks to join us, one of my officers, Captain Tariq Khalil started making the most awful noise and complained of a stomachache, I allowed him to seek medical aid and the next time I saw him was after the ceasefire."

"After the air attack was over Brigadier Jahanzeb Arbab informed Brigadier Tariq Mir that he would attack Loganewala with 206 Brigade and ordered Lieutenant Colonel Shah, the commanding officer of 28 Baluch the Reconnaissance and Support Battalion of 18 Division to advance along the Loganewala- Jaisalmir road and capture Ghotaru, Lieutenant Colonel Shah, saluted the commander 206 Brigade and disappeared. He was not seen till well after the ceasefire and when questioned stated that he understood that he was to make a wide outflanking movement to Ghotaru by withdrawing to the Sadiqabad-Sukkur road"

"While driving to the division headquarters at Gabbar, I saw the 18 Division Supply and Transport battalion transport vehicles stopped on the track along which we had advanced. I stopped and ordered my driver to see if he could start a vehicle, on checking some of the vehicles it was found that water had been let out of the radiator, my driver got in a vehicle and its driver came running, he was hiding in the bushes. While we were driving to the division headquarters Indian aircraft attacked, we stopped and I watched the aircraft circling, lining up and strafing. After a while I realized that my driver was missing, I looked around I found him walking from bush to bush kicking the behinds of the Army Service Corps drivers who were doing the same thing that he had done the previous day and had his bottom booted".

http://www.defencejournal.com/oct98/wayitwas2.htm

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 14 Dec 2009 22:44

From Hope to Audacity

By Zbigniew Brzezinski

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ ... ?page=show

Additionally, the United States needs to develop a policy for gaining the support of Pakistan, not just in denying the Taliban a sanctuary in Pakistan but also in pressuring the Taliban in Afghanistan to accommodate. Given that many Pakistanis may prefer a Taliban-controlled Afghanistan to a secular Afghanistan that leans toward Pakistan's archrival, India, the United States needs to assuage Pakistan's security concerns in order to gain its full cooperation in the campaign against the irreconcilable elements of the Taliban. In this regard, the support of China could be helpful, particularly considering its geopolitical stake in regional stability and its traditionally close ties with Islamabad.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 14 Dec 2009 23:01

Americans, not Taliban pose threat to Pak nukes: Fazl

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 15 Dec 2009 00:05

Hari Seldon wrote:U.S. Military Joins CIA’s Drone War in Pakistan

From the wired magazine.

The headquarters for the American military’s air war in Central Asia and the Middle East is located in a converted medical warehouse on an undisclosed base in a country the U.S. Air Force would rather not name. The lights are turned down low, so the troops can clearly see the giant screen at the far end of the in this cavernous, classified facility.

On that glowing screen is a digital map of Afghanistan, showing the position of every U.S. Air Force drone, every fighter jet, every bomber and every tanker aircraft with a teal dot. Most of the dots are positioned near the hotspots of the Afghanistan war — places like Kandahar, Helmand and Nangarhar provinces. But there are three dots, representing Air Force unmanned aerial vehicles, that aren’t above Afghanistan at all. These dots have moved to the east of the Afghan border; these drones are flying missions over Pakistan.

Over the past year and a half, the United States has stepped up drone strikes against militants in Pakistan — killing as many as a thousand people, by some estimates. Press accounts have largely credited the Central Intelligence Agency with running these missions. Government officials have refused to speak in public about drone attacks, just as they routinely rebuff any attempt to probe into the CIA’s operations. “I’m not going to comment on any particular tactic or technology,” Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently told a group of Pakistani journalists.

But the U.S. Air Force also plays an important role in the drone missions over Pakistan, according to current and former American military officials, and judging from what I saw at that undisclosed location. The military supplies the aircraft. It monitors the flights in and out of Pakistan. And, on occasion, Air Force pilots remotely fly their own drone missions over Pakistan. On that digital map are the far end of the warehouse, there’s a note reminding troops exactly how much notice they must give before U.S. military planes enter Pakistani airspace.

U.S. military drones began flying over Pakistan soon after the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001. “I dealt with the Pakistani air chief from the beginning,” says a former senior military officer. “At times, we operated a bit out of Pakistan.”

The Pakiban and Taliban response to the drone attacks has been extreme - commanders have been executing people left and right (often in the most horrific ways, with the body left in public to make a point) on the slightest suspicion of passing information to the Americans, and/or marking targets for attack.

They've also targeted mobile phone infrastructure and operators on both sides of the Durand Line- its simply too easy for people to call the Coalition or Americans with tips.

Despite all of this the hits keep coming. Any expansion of the area where strike operations are carried out will hit them hard - their only hope is that it will also ignite a popular uprising against the PA leadership's capitulation to the US. Its not at all an unreasonable hope