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PostPosted: 23 Dec 2009 13:22 
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http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Ce ... st/557883/

Centre plans new shipyard on east coast
KG Narendranath
Posted: Wednesday, Dec 23, 2009 at 2221 hrs IST
Updated: Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 2328 hrs IST

New Delhi: With the defence ministry set to take over Vizag’s Hindustan Shipyard Ltd (HSL) for building military vessels for the navy, the government intends to set up a new commercial shipyard on the east cost. The new shipyard will be built through the joint venture (public-private partnership) route and the strategic partner from the private sector will be selected through a competitive process, a senior government official told FE.

“With the HSL going to the defence, our merchant shipbuilding capacity in the public sector will come down significantly. From the strategic point of view also, it is necessary to have a large shipyard on the east cost wherein the government has a significant stake,” the official said. The shipping ministry has included the proposal for a new public-private shipyard in the cabinet note on transfer of HSL, the source added. The JV shipyard will require total investment of about Rs. 4,000 crore, although the exact plans are to be made. The government is also weighing options on the exact location of the new shipyard.

Currently, India has seven public sector commercial shipyards, besides the naval shipyards in Mumbai and Vizag. Apart from HSL, Cochin Shipyard Ltd, Alcock Ashdown, Garden Peach, Goa Shipyard, Mazagoan Dock and Hooghly Docks are the other public sector shipyards. There are over thirty private units that either build ships or repair them, like Bharati, L&T, Pipavav, Sesa Goa, Alang Marina, ABG, Adani etc.

India’s ship fleet is now 938-strong, and the gross tonnage is 9.38 million tonne (mt). The government had earlier set a target to increase the capacity to 15 mt by 2012, but the global economic crisis has upset that plan. Indian carriers handle less than 10% of India’s foreign trade at present.

The defence and shipping ministries have already agreed for transfer of HSL to the former.


Since its inception, HSL has built around 150 ships and repaired over 1,800 besides undertaking naval repairs. The shipyard also has work orders worth Rs 2,000 crore to be completed by March 2011, a recent agency report said.

HSL’s website says its objective is “to become a world class ship yard, to serve the shipping requirement of the mercantile marine, oil & offshore and defence sectors.” With its strategic location, HSL’s new role would be build frigates, destroyers and submarines for the navy. With the nation’s naval fleet ageing, the government has a target to build 100 warships over the next 10 years and HSL will be a major component of the plan. The defence ministry has plans to infuse funds into the unit to equip it for the planned defence production.

The shipping ministry had earlier got the public sector unit’s current assets valued at over Rs 1,000 crore by Axis Bank.

Currently, Japan, China and Korea share 70% of the world’s shipbuilding capacity between themselves.


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PostPosted: 23 Dec 2009 17:42 
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Since the basic concept of the VTOL was russkie, surprising migs/sukhois are not thinking on this export line?


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PostPosted: 23 Dec 2009 18:02 
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Navy for second line of submarines construction

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As per Indian Navy Staff Qualitative Requirements plan approved a decade ago, 24 submarines were to be constructed in series. The project-75 envisaged six of these to be constructed in the first phase (2000-2012) and the balance in the second phase (2013-2030).


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Now, the Navy wants the government to identify the shipyards so that the second batch of 6 under project-75 India is undertaken and the rest 12 being wholly indigenous.


12 Indigenous class + 6 Project-75A class + 6 Project-75 (scorpene)


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PostPosted: 23 Dec 2009 20:05 
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these indigenous class will be diesel ...i guess??? what about the nuke ones..???


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PostPosted: 23 Dec 2009 20:08 
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Are these paper (that too old paper) subs good enough to match the PLAN?


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PostPosted: 23 Dec 2009 20:54 
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seeking to grapple with the enemy is not the way to fight a war.

we need enough sub assets to slip past PLAN patrols in south china and yellow sea and
inflict significant damage on merchant ships and power stations on land. a mix of AIP and
SSN will have to do because we cannot afford a all-SSN fleet.

for the PLAN subs, we need Type28 type corvettes, OPVs, lots of MPA and ASW helis,
SOSUS arrays , new towed sonars, ASW heli carriers.


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PostPosted: 23 Dec 2009 20:59 
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IN should better consolidate its sub assests by having more SSN`s.

It is confirmed that IN is planning to have a minimum SSN force of 10+,but it needs more than that number.Its better to go with mass production of the next SSN design.And an upgradation of reactor core to better refuel time as well.....


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album from OpDemo 2009 is complete. Please visit the album at

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Gall ... Demo+2009/


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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2009 02:17 
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Kailash wrote:
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US NAVY Mandate? They have operated Single engined fighters/Attack aircrafts before and F 35 C is going to be their future AC.


Prior to F-35, their policy leans towards a twin engine design only. There were lot of planes post WW-II which were single engined and operated from carriers. But since the 1960-70 (F-4, F-14, F-18), all conventional take off fixed wing designs have carried two engines. I am not sure about the why - may be if one engine fails in flight they can still land using their FBW and controls.

The harriers, F-35 etc and other vertical take off designs are exceptions.


Again not true and half truths

Ever Heard of F 8 Crusaders and A7 Corsairs ?

F 35B is the only vertical take off version and its going to be operated by USMC and not USN. USN is going to use F 35 C CTOL fighters.


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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2009 02:37 
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johnny_m wrote:
....F 35B is the only vertical take off version and its going to be operated by USMC and not USN....

There is no vertical take off version of F-35. F-35B for US Marines and Royal Navy is STOVL ie; short take off and vertical "landing".


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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2009 09:27 
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OT.


Last edited by Rahul M on 24 Dec 2009 09:36, edited 1 time in total.
there has to be some minimum relevance to India in the "Indian" naval discussion thread.


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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2009 09:38 
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EDIT.


Last edited by Rahul M on 27 Dec 2009 01:06, edited 1 time in total.
OT post.


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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2009 09:41 
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guys, please take any further F-35 news to the appropriate thread. this is going OT.
thanks.


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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2009 12:34 
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Is this the first published pic of a upgraded SHAR with derby+python? If not, any link on where I can find these pics?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 371975.cms

Also, can somebody ID the other weapons on the starboard wing?


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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2009 15:26 
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K_Rohit wrote:
Is this the first published pic of a upgraded SHAR with derby+python? If not, any link on where I can find these pics?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 371975.cms

Also, can somebody ID the other weapons on the starboard wing?

am I missing something ? I don't see a pic ?


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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2009 15:30 
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Rahul M wrote:
K_Rohit wrote:
Is this the first published pic of a upgraded SHAR with derby+python? If not, any link on where I can find these pics?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 371975.cms

Also, can somebody ID the other weapons on the starboard wing?

am I missing something ? I don't see a pic ?

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Looks like the url is not loading. You can link it in the story in the e-paper version. Its on page 13 in the Delhi edition.

I have no idea about how to paste the image here. So help would be appreciated!


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screen grab --> cut-paste in MS paint/GIMP --> convert to JPEG --> imageshack --> hotlink/thumbnail for foums.


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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2009 15:38 
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Rahul M wrote:
screen grab --> cut-paste in MS paint/GIMP --> convert to JPEG --> imageshack --> hotlink/thumbnail for foums.


Image

Need to ID the weapon fit-out...Derby+python+??


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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2009 16:56 
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On national security interests, Govt moves Hindustan Shipyard to Defence ministry

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"The government has approved transfer of Hindustan Shipyard Ltd (HSL), Visakhapatnam, to Ministry of Defence for meeting the national security requirements of building strategic vessels for Indian Navy," Information and Broadcasting Minister Ambika Soni said.


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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2009 17:27 
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Looks like the derby, too small a pic to get a good ID on the smaller missile though. Must be the Magic. Interesting to see multiple ejector racks. Good catch Rohit.

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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2009 23:50 
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rohit, thanks. it does look like derby and magic to my old tired eyes.


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PostPosted: 25 Dec 2009 00:11 
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saurav.jha wrote:
these indigenous class will be diesel ...i guess??? what about the nuke ones..???



check the article's title: :-o
Navy for second line of submarines construction


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PostPosted: 25 Dec 2009 00:18 
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Image

Punjabi to the rescue again :lol: 8) :rotfl: better resolution to identify
http://www.ajitjalandhar.com/20091224/


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PostPosted: 25 Dec 2009 00:35 
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It's pretty obvious that the missile next to fuel tanks is Derby. But, it's difficult to figure out the others exactly.


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PostPosted: 25 Dec 2009 02:57 
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Cain Marko wrote:
Looks like the derby, too small a pic to get a good ID on the smaller missile though. Must be the Magic. Interesting to see multiple ejector racks. Good catch Rohit.

CM.


exactly what I was about to say CM ! I remember having had a very agitated discussion with a senior BRF member when I suggested that the Tejas could carry dual-racks for the missiles. at that time several arguments were given about how it was not possible for this or that reason..now that we've seen it on the IN's SHar, I'm quite sure that this is something that we might see on the Tejas as well in a multi-role configuration- inner pylons with drop tanks, middle pylons with the dual racks and outermost with the close-combat missiles.

My only gripe with the picture is that its not too clear..:(


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I was a part of that discussion too ! :wink: in fact this pic immediately reminded me of it.

most interesting is the asymmetric load-out on the dual rails.


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Sea Harrier has 4 hard points under each wing and even the second pylon from outside is strong enough to haul a fuel tank so derby and Majic combo on any of the inner 3 pylons should not be an issue.

--yikes FRS Mk51 which IN operates has only 2 hard points per wing.


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PostPosted: 25 Dec 2009 13:01 
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Hi Guys...Here is the bigger pic.....

Image

The missile next to the fuel tanks is definitely Derby.
The missile next to Derby looks like Python.

Thanks


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PostPosted: 25 Dec 2009 14:01 
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Navy gets Shipyard to Build New Subs


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Livefist: MiG-29 KUB aerial refuelling pics


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PostPosted: 25 Dec 2009 15:57 
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Dmurphy wrote:


Why is the aircraft looking so old and wared. Aren't we getting the new ones?


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PostPosted: 25 Dec 2009 16:07 
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KrishG wrote:
Navy for second line of submarines construction

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As per Indian Navy Staff Qualitative Requirements plan approved a decade ago, 24 submarines were to be constructed in series. The project-75 envisaged six of these to be constructed in the first phase (2000-2012) and the balance in the second phase (2013-2030).


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Now, the Navy wants the government to identify the shipyards so that the second batch of 6 under project-75 India is undertaken and the rest 12 being wholly indigenous.


12 Indigenous class + 6 Project-75A class + 6 Project-75 (scorpene)


Given the P75 & P75A will enter service between 2015-2025, the follow-on 12 indigenous subs will come online only post 2025 and will likely be nuclear powered SSNs. Over the next decade (2010-2025), IN will have built up an expertise in building and operating nuclear submarines through leasing of 2 Russian Akula-II SSNs and building of 5 ATV (SSBNs). Together with the know-hows obtained from P-75, P-75A, Akula-II, and ATV, IN will be ready for designing and building the 12 indigenous SSNs (post 2025 service entry date).


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Venu wrote:
Why is the aircraft looking so old and wared. Aren't we getting the new ones?
Naah, i don't think so. Its probably the same aircraft as in this pic taken in Russia earlier this year.

I'll blame it on the shadows and bad picture quality.

Add later: Check it out. This one looks even better. Though its a Mig 29K.


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PostPosted: 25 Dec 2009 16:42 
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Dmurphy wrote:
Add later: Check it out. This one looks even better. Though its a Mig 29K.


Yeah..Great looking beast. Me very typical Indian only. Won't consider anything new, unless it comes packed in polythene :)


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PostPosted: 25 Dec 2009 16:42 
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sunny y wrote:
Hi Guys...Here is the bigger pic.....



The missile next to the fuel tanks is definitely Derby.
The missile next to Derby looks like Python.

Thanks


Sunny dont think its the python it will most probably be the magic reason being that the python 5 and derby indeed share the same rakit motor and the principal difference between them is being active radar vs infrared imaging thus I would imagine the python would have a slightly shorter length given the blunt infra red bulge for the python as compared the sharp cone of the active radar derby...however the missiles distinctly appear to be of different sizes....

One thing to note is the Derby looks quite big actually will be very interesting to see operational ranges...


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Sea Harrier has 4 hard points under each wing and even the second pylon from outside is strong enough to haul a fuel tank so derby and Majic combo on any of the inner 3 pylons should not be an issue.

--yikes FRS Mk51 which IN operates has only 2 hard points per wing.

no sir, SHAR has 4 hard-points in all. 2 each under the wings.


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Venu wrote:
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Why is the aircraft looking so old and wared. Aren't we getting the new ones?


Which part of the aircraft is looking wared?


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PostPosted: 25 Dec 2009 21:01 
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The paint might be peeling off, because of the extremes of temperature that this aircraft is having to go through while testing in Russia.
The temperature is well below freezing there in the winters and it gets reasonably warm during summers. This plane has been testing with this paint scheme for around a year at least.

Otherwise the body and machinery is spanking brand new.


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PostPosted: 25 Dec 2009 21:36 
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I believe it's just dust and dirt on the Mig's, should be able to clean and repaint it if neccesary.


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PostPosted: 25 Dec 2009 21:46 
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http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=12108

The President is expected to witness Sukhoi Su-30 and Sea Harrier fighter jets take off from the ship during her three hour stay.?????? :shock:

The above line is from a news aritcle posted in the Top Stories section of Bharat Rakshak.Com on December 23,2009. I believe it to be a reporting error or a gramatical mistake.


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