Is this an indication that the madam is losing control of the state cong. party....seems unlikely.It has been Stage-managing by Congress from begining - Create yourself a perceivably difficult situation so people from Delhi can seemingly yield to demands under helpless condition.
Pranab, Digvijay singh, etc have been speaking for the other side.skaranam wrote:Is this an indication that the madam is losing control of the state cong. party....seems unlikely.It has been Stage-managing by Congress from begining - Create yourself a perceivably difficult situation so people from Delhi can seemingly yield to demands under helpless condition.
but again the interface is Mr. Moily, Mr. Pranab..
who is playing the spoil sport and for what do they gain from it....
What else should I have expected from the Rayalaseema whine-boy?ShyamSP wrote: 'All- Madrasi' Committee For Telangana
From wiki,Already, one strong Tamilian, Narasimhan has been sent as the governor so if the committee also comprises of the Tamil gang, one can understand where all these are coming from.
And he was the former IB chief to boot,Narasimhan belongs to the 1968 batch of IPS from Andhra Pradesh cadre.
Stan, it was the title of the article so you can stop your whine-fest. Don't get wrapped in the mindset that we're picking on "Madrasi", which Andhra also falls under once. Analyze the events and don't whine when I mention name "Tamil"Stan_Savljevic wrote:What else should I have expected from the Rayalaseema whine-boy?ShyamSP wrote: 'All- Madrasi' Committee For Telangana
All language-based states invariably get dragged. It is important to note TN is a lever for United AP.munna wrote:TN is not a party to this dispute! Let us not score self goals by painting all and sundry with a tar brush. Telanagana may or may not be created only at one place and that is 10 Janpath. The only way to punish or reward someone in democracy is to vote and if joint Andhra people are a majority then INC should become history in AP and if it does not then United Andhra Camp is clearly the minority party here. Either ways the onus lies on united Andhra Pradesh camp to thwart a division. Name calling is no action.
munna ji,munna wrote:TN is not a party to this dispute! Let us not score self goals by painting all and sundry with a tar brush. Telanagana may or may not be created only at one place and that is 10 Janpath. The only way to punish or reward someone in democracy is to vote and if joint Andhra people are a majority then INC should become history in AP and if it does not then United Andhra Camp is clearly the minority party here. Either ways the onus lies on united Andhra Pradesh camp to thwart a division. Name calling is no action.
Just my 2 centsskaranam wrote:Flash News on Local ABN "Andhrajyothy" channel...
A New committee will be formed....It will look into issues
1. Financial Resources
2. Law & order
3. State Capital
4. Water Resources
5. Administrative
6. Geographical
The committee will be headed by Justice SriKrishna. A timeline and members of committee are yet to be announced.
This is a nice summary. Thanks Shyam garu.ShyamSP wrote:Vundavalli vuvacha on nature of committee and difficulties in putting parliament bill and some history on Telengana area of Hyderabad state being merged into AP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOwCS-we02w
Only problem with this logic is that if TN had to break a state to overcome its water takleefs [of which there are many, some real and a few imagined], then it would have to choose Karnataka over Cauvery and pray to the "great engineer" to give Kerala some Mullai Periyar sense rather than AP from which it has been happily and regularly getting its share of water of the Telugu Ganga water, as Krishna water is called in TN, at least as per my understanding.Muppalla wrote: if the following is true then TN will be party to the dispute being a state that gets water from Krishna river.
Mupallaji all of our states have some or other kind of interdependence with each other and that makes up our entire nation. My question is why should TN be dragged in a dispute that has primarily two parties a) Telangana Vaadis b) Joint Andhra Supporters? The point is that when own house is divided calling peripheral parties names would weaken the case of Joint Andhra supporters. Hence the need of the hour is to show support on ground and demostrate a probable political punishment for erring parties, if indeed the Joint Andhra Camp is in majority. Otherwise I am afraid the Telangana Vaadis seem set to take the set and match comfortably (with due blessings of Dilli).Muppalla wrote: munna ji,
if the following is true then TN will be party to the dispute being a state that gets water from Krishna river.
Just my 2 centsskaranam wrote:Flash News on Local ABN "Andhrajyothy" channel...
A New committee will be formed....It will look into issues
1. Financial Resources
2. Law & order
3. State Capital
4. Water Resources
5. Administrative
6. Geographical
The committee will be headed by Justice SriKrishna. A timeline and members of committee are yet to be announced.
Munnaji, I think I should have been clear. It is not that they will be bashed or take sides but if the proposed committee starts property division like that happens during a Joint family division then TN will have to included in the discussions as TN has paid money to construct the Telugu Ganga project. I guess it was some 500 crores in 90s that Jaya as CM paid towards the project. It was only drinking water.Mupallaji all of our states have some or other kind of interdependence with each other and that makes up our entire nation. My question is why should TN be dragged in a dispute that has primarily two parties a) Telangana Vaadis b) Joint Andhra Supporters? The point is that when own house is divided calling peripheral parties names would weaken the case of Joint Andhra supporters. Hence the need of the hour is to show support on ground and demostrate a probable political punishment for erring parties, if indeed the Joint Andhra Camp is in majority. Otherwise I am afraid the Telangana Vaadis seem set to take the set and match comfortably (with due blessings of Dilli).
Stan - Clarification: I did not mean that TN is dividing AP for water resources.Stan_Savljevic wrote:Only problem with this logic is that if TN had to break a state to overcome its water takleefs [of which there are many, some real and a few imagined], then it would have to choose Karnataka over Cauvery and pray to the "great engineer" to give Kerala some Mullai Periyar sense rather than AP from which it has been happily and regularly getting its share of water of the Telugu Ganga water, as Krishna water is called in TN, at least as per my understanding.Muppalla wrote: if the following is true then TN will be party to the dispute being a state that gets water from Krishna river.
Frankly speaking given the emotions involved and sudden rejuvenation of the issue there is more to it than meets the eye! I am positive that Dilli has given its blessings to all the machinations and that is why I propose to not pick up fights on all fronts when some of them are clearly peripheral. If Joint Andhra Supporters need to send a message then it can only be through rejuvenation of an opposition party in AP otherwise I am afraid a lot of jingos will end up being taken for a ride by motivated interests. Since Dilli is playing on both sides I would suggest deciding and defining a political option and not getting into slugfests with your neighbors who are merely watching from sides.ShyamSP wrote:There is limited coverage in National media on many perspectives so many see it as two groups fighting (at least that is how Center is stage-managing).
Again Mupallaji United Andhra camp needs to pick its fights carefully, instead of dealing with core of the problem dragging in provincial origins of civil servants would weaken your cause through a pliable media. The only sensible course of action is to hit at one thing that politicos hate to lose-"power", rest all will fall in line.Mupalla wrote:Regarding TN and Tamil babus: Irrespective of they are partial and impartial (I hope they are good and impartial) there is some insensitivity in the way the center is handling the whole issue. The central politicos in INC have no historical knowledge of how AP formed and the fissures between Telugus and Tamils ( even if they are perceived). As though India is bankurpt of experts, why in the world they have to choose Tamilans for this purpose? Even if they do a good job, I gaurantee you that there will be calls that "We Rayalaseema* folks got bad deal because of Tamils".
Yes, one sided, but TN mediated between the three Krishna basin states of Maharashtra, Karnataka and AP, and settled an issue that had been pending from the early-50s. The initial agreement was signed on on 14th April 1976 between MGR and M. Channa Reddy, representing the two governments. NTR and his Telugu Desam Party was voted into power in a record nine months after its establishment on March 29, 1982. The "love" of NTR for TN was actually a move to combine implementing the previous agreement with TN and simultaneously getting water to the parched areas of Rayalaseema. There were objections and counter-objections by the other Krishna basin states to this change of plan. See http://dlc.dlib.indiana.edu/dlc/handle/10535/1094 to understand the political travails the project went through. Needless to say, Madras being in the shadow region of the southwest monsoon that hits almost every part of India except parts of Rajasthan and J&K, is thankful for getting parts of its drinking water supply from the Krishna basin states.ShyamSP wrote:Munna, Telugu Ganga water to Chennai is one-sided gesture by AP to TN. It was mostly due to NTR's love for Tamilnadu and MGR whose rule influenced early policies of NTR when he came to power. Water to TN is under AP state purview.
That was the reason for this backpedalling and slow motion. I wanted to reply to you regarding the politics but I was lazy. It is Friday so let me indulge.munna wrote:Again Mupallaji United Andhra camp needs to pick its fights carefully, instead of dealing with core of the problem dragging in provincial origins of civil servants would weaken your cause through a pliable media. The only sensible course of action is to hit at one thing that politicos hate to lose-"power", rest all will fall in line.
). Even in such a situation also Dalits and Tribals may still vote for whatever the INC remains. It all depends upon how all the parties will fight and not split the non-INC vote.Sources said that when the then Nizam State was merged with Andhra Pradesh (which was carved out from the Madras Presidency), a gentlemen agreement was reached between the two Chief Ministers that people from the Andhra/Rayalaseema regions would not buy properties in the Telangana areas.
Creating seema-telangana as an alternative to separate T is more of desperation by JC Diwakar Reddy. Of all permutations and combinations, this is one of most ridiculous proposal.I was reading somewhere thet Diwakar Reddy etc. from Rayalseema want to align with Telangana instead of Coastal Andhra. Rayalaseema seems to be giving two options (1) either trifurcate or (2) Create Coastal Andhra as seperate state from the current AP and rest with Hyd as capital.
ramana,ramana wrote:Dasari, I guess you don't want to find out NSR's views? JC's ideas are from that lineage. I didnt know he is from Anantapur which is old stomping grounds of NSR.
Wonder what Prof. Kodandaram has to say..“We don’t want to court any more trouble, especially given the situation prevalent now and hence decided not to allow spectators inside,’’ said an HCA official on Monday. He was obviously referring to the instance of crowd invading the ground on January 21 during a Twenty20 match that had to be cancelled. A goodly crowd made the most of a security lapse then to walk up to the pitch, uproot the stumps, stage a sit-in halfway to the pavilion before they were cleared off the ground by policemen.
In 1993 Chidu has written a book in which he has supported telangana and vidharbha seperation from respective states. Accusing him of just implemented them, they are asking how can such a person be a neutral arbitrer in this aspect today?
and then some rambling where they accuse Chidu of doing it so as to only benefit Chennai as he mentions only divisions of AP and maha but not TN for the basis of smaller states.
nope not yet.RayC wrote:Not much news from the Telengana issue these days.
All has been calmed?
Realisation dawning slowly on them that the Centre may announce grant of a separate Telangna state `at any moment’, Telugu Desam leaders from Andhra-Rayalaseema are now making a last-ditch effort to create a rift within the Congress-led UPA Government. "The Centre may announce the formation of Telangana at any moment," said a TDP leader from Rayalaseema region after the Andhra and Rayalaseema leaders met at NTR Bhavan today.
Return of the fantastic andhra argument.The leaders will camp in Delhi on February 3 and 4 and meet Union Home Minister P Chidambaram and leaders of all UPA partners in a bid to convey their strong feelings to members of the Union Cabinet.
The Andhra leaders will explain to the UPA partners that once Telangana is carved out Maoists will dominate the new state. They are also hopeful that the prime minister will oppose formation of separate Telangana in the wake of reports that the China is trying to use Nepal as its base to wage a war against the country and the reports that China even hacked the PMO’s website. As the Maoists are trying to build a `Red corridor’ across the country fron Nepal down to Srikakulam and Orissa, they are sure to regroup and re-emerge on the scene in a separate Telangana, the Andhra leaders say and are likely to place their viewpoint strongly before the Union Government and the Cabinet ministers belonging to different regional parties.
P Chidambaram opined that small states form the foundation for economic development in his 2003 article “Wake up to the case of states”. He published a book titled “A view from the outside” by compiling all his articles and essays.
(1) In his “Wakeup to the case of states” Chidambaram said that the people in small states will be relieved from depending on the governments {how?}. He observed that 11 CMs in past decade did not hinder Goa’s economic development, after it got carved out of Maharashtra. In this essay he opined that it doesn’t matter how many CMs are changed {very congressique} as long as the development continues.
(2) Chidambaram further explains his logic saying that Gujarat and Goa developed only after their separation from Maharastra and that Goa, Delhi, Himachal Pradesh, Kerala, Haryana, and Punjab are competing with large states.
(3) He also believes that the separation of states should not depend upon political leaders’ demands and opinions, and instead must be done on the basis of Area, Population, and geographical properties {so that their mineral resources can be exploited by MNCs and feudals?}.
(4) Chidambaram cautions that not all states need splitting on this basis, and thinks that only Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh (Maharashtra 9.7 crores, Andhra 7.57 crores) require splitting creating Vidarbha and Telangana states {How convenient – Tamil Nadu with its 6.7 crore population didn’t cut the mark, you see}. PC also believes that another round of splitting is necessary in UP and Bihar {using his paki logic, I guess}.
(5) He attributes the dismal performance of Chhattisgarh and Jarkhand states to the inefficient governances and ineffective governments {he he heee, this he pulled from his *** after writing point (1) and (2) above}. PC notes that 45% of poor people of the nation live in these three states (Bihar, UP, and MP) and the development rate and per capita income are below national average {because they are ruled by non-INC govts?}.
Narayana Rao wrote:This is not Andhra argument Anuj.
Who is your Vara Vara Rao, Gaddar, Kodanda Ram Kalyana Rao etc who sat in the stage when our "student leaders" told that Andhra people who go to their home towns for Shankrathi will not be allowed to return.
What about the Governers report widely leaked to the media on Naxals are now in the movement. It is now Naxals who are the main force behind T agitation and any security expert will tell you that.
Hope you note that you are in the forum where most of the people have some understanding on security related issues and know what naxals are. If you think we will think that they are 20th Cen Robin Hoods you are wrong.
Having passion for your idea is one thing and being blind to the dangers of what is happening is another.
I wish to caution all political parties that there are forces waiting on the wings who ridicule the parliamentary form of democracy and who would be happy if we collectively fail to find answers to the issues that concern us, and we should not give any room for these forces to gain strength or credence.