The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & co

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Apr 2010 03:59

Headley case pursuit also tests the US. When I look at the cab driver case and the Headley case one thing odd is that LeT does not seem to be a hotbed of suave Westernised operatives. So what happened here? LeT operatives till now fit a pattern of unwashed bearded abduls.

How did Daoud Gilani become part of L-e-T network?

How did a one times US convict get into the LeT network.

Who did he go to visit in 1996 before his jail time?

If you read the reports about Mullah Barader and his confinement in safe house, the report also says the Taliban breaks all contact with its members who are arrested. So how did LeT, which might have same operating rules, break them and let in guy after his arrest by US?

The cover story is not matching.

Rana's turn will come too.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 15 Apr 2010 04:33

Ramana-ji

There are a few pertinent facts

1. Headley's dad was some sort of diplomat. So he/his family would have had contacts, catapulting Headley to the top levels of LeT without having to work his way up the unwashed/Mullah route
2. Headley's half brother is spokesman for Groper
3. Headley's last name is Gilani. His clan might have opened doors
4. His friendship with Rana, whose brothers, IIRC one of them is a retired captain and the other is a serving Brigadier. IIRC Rana himself served
5. Headley's american looks is simply to tempting to pass up

Inserting Headley into the LeT might have been done by unaware relatives/contacts/Rana/His brothers, or might have been done by a trusted ISI double agent into LeT

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Apr 2010 04:39

Exactly. So in other words he doesn't fit the LeT profile. What if he never was part of the LeT at all? But some other deep cover TSPA unit created in the jihad days?

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 15 Apr 2010 05:23

VikasRaina wrote:A little naive question but what exactly would it mean to get access to David Headley.
Would a Pandu Hawaldar get to interrogate him and make sure that he sings or just few officers from CBI visiting him in some US jail to have chit chat.
Why on earth would DH open his mouth if CBI folks were to interrogate him in US ? He can not be forced, can he ? He knows he is safe if he can cut a deal with US attorneys.
All he has to do is to shut up his mouth or implicate anyone and everyone to set the investigators on wrong track. Unless he can be extradited to India, I can't see him sharing any useful information with India.

So why all this noise about access to DH ? What useful purpose does it serve ?

I have a feeling it is too late to interrogate him now. If he was a US agent till the end, then I think US intelligence would coach him to face Indian interrogators.

Ravi Karumanchiri · Post by **Ravi Karumanchiri** » 15 Apr 2010 06:36

Dear ramana et al.,

You have just touched on something that has bothered me from the very start of this saga. Bear with me as I enumerate a list of consecutive thoughts:

Imagine that you are a Pakistani narcotics kingpin, and you have a mule in your employ named Daood Gilani.
You send your mule Gilani into the US to transport a shipment of your heroin. It is not a small amount.
He gets arrested and convicted, and your heroin is used as evidence against him.
Gilani is sentenced to several years in US prison, and presumably, your heroin is destroyed after he is convicted.
Some short time later, Gilani gets out of prison much earlier than expected – after only two years – and miraculously, he has no probationary restrictions against foreign travel to hotbeds of heroin production and trafficking, like Pakistan. These five points reflect the official story.

The question this raises in my mind is if I were a Pakistani narco kingpin, would I once again use Daood Gilani as a mule to carry my heroin into the US? (Wouldn’t I just shoot him when he rang my doorbell after only two years in jail, knowing he could only manage that if he had ‘flipped’?) The only reasonable explanation I can come up with, is that I would use Gilani as a mule again, only if I had received *official assurances* that my shipments would get through, smoothly and profitably.

This brings to mind the words of Dennis Dayle, who was the former chief of an elite DEA enforcement unit, quoted in James Mills' book 'The Underground Empire: Where Crime and Governments Embrace':

"In my 30 year history in the Drug Enforcement Administration and related agencies, the major targets of my investigations almost invariably turned out to be working for the CIA."

Understand that the United States is not just a democracy among democracies. Powerful interests in the United States view themselves as an imperial power, and the CIA is tasked with the maintenance of that empire. However, the CIA cannot go up to ‘Capitol Hill’ and request money from the US Congress for all manner of necessary malfeasance abroad. For that kind of thing, they either have to skim cash from existing budgets (which they loathe to do), or better yet, establish a completely independent cash flow and use that money as needed, without congressional oversight. This is standard operating procedure, and indeed, many secret government agencies (including the CIA, ISI and many others), rebel movements (like the LTTE, Shining Path and FARC), terrorist groups (such as AQ and LeT et al.), and of course, criminal organizations (like the Mafia/Camorra, MS13, et cetera); use the narcotics trade to raise funds to pursue their greater ends (such as power, control, dominance and hegemony). This is the way of the world. It should neither shock nor surprise anyone reading this forum.

This is the real reason why DCH will never fall into Indian custody, and it is at least a part of the reason why the American embrace of Pakistan will persist. The CIA needs the illicit cash flow.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Apr 2010 06:43

That is a keeper of a post Ravi Karumanchiri. And guess what needs to come down before Pakistan can be brought down?

Ravi Karumanchiri · Post by **Ravi Karumanchiri** » 15 Apr 2010 07:01

^^^^^^

shiv, Sir, you are too kind.

But why pick a bigger fight when it is arguably easier to appeal to 'realpolitik'?

Offer the CIA an alternative source of heroin. India is already one of the world's largest producers of legal opiates -- a little more made and sent through the back door, could be enough to see Pakistan left at the curb. JMT

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Apr 2010 07:33

^^

You are Chankia himself.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 15 Apr 2010 08:00

Ravi Karumanchiri wrote:^^^^^^

shiv, Sir, you are too kind.

But why pick a bigger fight when it is arguably easier to appeal to 'realpolitik'?

Offer the CIA an alternative source of heroin. India is already one of the world's largest producers of legal opiates -- a little more made and sent through the back door, could be enough to see Pakistan left at the curb. JMT

Pakis are far more important than being a mere source of heroin.

To compete with the Paks, India will have to:

(1) Buy trillions of dollars worth of overpriced and trojan-infested US / Israeli military hardware.

(2) Pick a fight with China.

(3) Learn to be happy with trojan-infested electronic voting machines.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 15 Apr 2010 09:05

Ravi Karumanchiri wrote:Dear ramana et al.,

You have just touched on something that has bothered me from the very start of this saga. Bear with me as I enumerate a list of consecutive thoughts:

Great post.

You should expand this into an article.

EDIT: I wonder if that means the Taliban will be paying the CIA a "fee" after the US withdraws.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 15 Apr 2010 09:23

Anyone remember Oliver North, Elliot Abrams? They sold illegal arms to Iran to fund Contra rebels in Nicaragua. RK's their is entirely plausible. Only thing that troubles me about this theiry is that TSP was also peddling this theory a while back, namely, CIA drug trade

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Ravi Karumanchiri · Post by **Ravi Karumanchiri** » 15 Apr 2010 11:12

I hope this isn't OT, but I'd like to respond to a few of the comments above, WRT my earlier couple of posts here.

Pranav, Sir;

1. Do you really think that the Pakistanis actually pay the Americans for the US military hardware they receive? That all comes through as ‘aide’ and the bill is (ostensibly) picked-up by the US taxpayer. In truth, it’s a form of industrial subsidy underwritten by the US government, to benefit the US mil-industrial complex, while appeasing the TSP. The economics don't seem to make sense, until you consider that the US dollar is a fiat currency that underwrites much international trade and forms the bulk of reserve holdings in government banks around the world. The Americans can literally print money in a way that no other nation can. Effectively, it costs the US government nothing to arm Pakistan -- who could never afford to pay their own way, anyway. If you really get to the root of it, you'll find that it is China's continued buying of US Treasuries that facilitates the US dollar's continued status as reserve currency of the world (although, this is slowly changing, since the crash of 2008). If China buys fewer USD-denominated securities, or if commodity prices were set in Euros instead of dollars, or both, this all could change rather quickly. In any case, I doubt that much of the equipment provided to Pakistan is of Israeli origin – that would cause a scandal in both Pakistan and Israel.

2. Why pick a fight with China? The Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party (CCCCP) is way more worried about their own people, than they are about India or any other external power. Picking a fight with ‘China’ would only serve to strengthen the hand of the CCCCP and also make the Great Chinese people rally behind the CCCCP. That can’t possibly be what you or any Indian would want, so I’ll ask again; Why pick a fight with China?

3. Trojan-infested electronic voting machines? What are you talking about?

Carl_T, Sir;

By my reading, the US will withdraw from Afghanistan on more or less the same schedule as Germany and Japan after WWII. (Yes, I know they still have tens of thousands of troops in both countries, even today.) President Obama’s stated timeline “to begin a withdrawal by the summer of 2011” is certainly on-track, and he will want to stick to that for domestic political reasons – but this should not be taken by anyone as a promise for a complete withdrawal any time soon. The Americans can draw-down 12,000 troops beginning in mid-2011, but they wouldn’t even think of pulling-out the whole force, also for domestic political reasons, if nothing else (although there certainly are other reasons). The US will have a sizeable military presence in Afghanistan for at least the next 15 years. Anything less would surprise me.

CRamS, Sir;

The CIA’s involvement in the drugs trade is hardly my theory. There are many examples of investigative journalism that indicate as much, just as there are depictions in books and movies. There is even a political champion, US Representative Maxine Waters, D-California, who testified before the House Intelligence Committee. See parts 1-4…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ERlo1YnLU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS_sVsz5SLU&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1U88Vvm ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kIDD1eu ... re=related

Also, read 'The Kerry Committee Report'
http://www.thememoryhole.org/kerry/

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 15 Apr 2010 13:58

Ravi Karumanchiri wrote: 1. Do you really think that the Pakistanis actually pay the Americans for the US military hardware they receive? That all comes through as ‘aide’ and the bill is (ostensibly) picked-up by the US taxpayer. In truth, it’s a form of industrial subsidy underwritten by the US government, to benefit the US mil-industrial complex, while appeasing the TSP. The economics don't seem to make sense, until you consider that the US dollar is a fiat currency that underwrites much international trade and forms the bulk of reserve holdings in government banks around the world. The Americans can literally print money in a way that no other nation can. Effectively, it costs the US government nothing to arm Pakistan -- who could never afford to pay their own way, anyway. If you really get to the root of it, you'll find that it is China's continued buying of US Treasuries that facilitates the US dollar's continued status as reserve currency of the world (although, this is slowly changing, since the crash of 2008). If China buys fewer USD-denominated securities, or if commodity prices were set in Euros instead of dollars, or both, this all could change rather quickly.

Yes, the Paks don't pay for the hardware - and your point about the US dollar being a fiat currency is certainly valid. Of course, western elites cannot print an unlimited number of dollars without causing inflation.

The Paks repay the western elites for the weaponry by damaging India. In due course of time, the Paks will be used for radicalization of Central Asia, which will in turn be used to damage Russia. Western elites would even like to use the Paks against China in Xinjiang, but Pak needs China against India.

In any case, I doubt that much of the equipment provided to Pakistan is of Israeli origin – that would cause a scandal in both Pakistan and Israel.

I was mentioning Israel in the context of Indian weapon purchases - Israel is a friend, but it needs to be kept in mind that it is closely linked to western elites whose ambitions extend far beyond Israel.

2. Why pick a fight with China?

I am not suggesting that India pick a fight with China. However, just as Pak is attractive to the west because of its enmity with India, similarly, India will be more attractive to the west if it picks a fight with China.

3. Trojan-infested electronic voting machines? What are you talking about?

This is a good place to begin: http://www.indianevm.com/book_democracy ... k_2010.pdf

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 15 Apr 2010 14:34

Ravi Karumanchiri wrote:^^^^^^

shiv, Sir, you are too kind.

But why pick a bigger fight when it is arguably easier to appeal to 'realpolitik'?

Offer the CIA an alternative source of heroin. India is already one of the world's largest producers of legal opiates -- a little more made and sent through the back door, could be enough to see Pakistan left at the curb. JMT

Ravi great post above, for sure, and a valid point too, why pick a bigger fight when the smaller is available.

However the exact idea wont work, if it could I suspect Indo-US folks may have already done it, there is a reason -- often repeated answer to the question "What does Pakistan have which India does not" -- India is for better or for worse a neurotic lady it does not know what it wants and lurches from one side to the other. A fit of josh may bring a George F II to power who may do a Coke repeat on US interests in India, or if you prefer a IKG II who has finds such less than dharmic approaches abhorrent.

Bottom line, India and its thinking process, is too diverse, too dynamic and too complicated to provide the "assured control" that the Empire (particularly one based on white-and-black Nordic mindset with Roman overhangs) would like.

So we cant do what the US needs us to do and what they can get from Pakistan.

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We need to pick smaller battles, and they have to be real battles, actual hot military ones, and use that power to leverage the big boys game. Right now we want to sit at the poker table and play with kowri's. Wont do.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 15 Apr 2010 20:33

Pranav wrote: I am not suggesting that India pick a fight with China. However, just as Pak is attractive to the west because of its enmity with India, similarly, India will be more attractive to the west if it picks a fight with China.

First pre-requisite to pick a fight is in-bred hatred. I don't think Indians care much, much less hate Chinese, in the manner in which TSP is obsessed with India. Likewise, Indians don't have that superiority complext that say whites have towards "bad guys", perhaphs with good reason, peridically to launch brutal, near genocidal wars with "lesser people" like what we saw in Iraq.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Apr 2010 20:39

Can we stick to the topic please?

Thanks, ramana

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 15 Apr 2010 20:41

Why do we need to pick a fight.
We need to take care of our national interest come what may. That should do the trick . Govt of the day should know best what is our national interest. Afterall we have re-elected them against all odds.

We also have to take Obama at his face value when MMS says in public that access to DH is assured. In what for it will be and what information it would reveal would be known when we do have that access. Once info is received next stage would be to file chargesheet against DH. We may not get to trial eventually, but then it would serve as a precedence for American Cooperation. Just as USA has cooperated with India in case of Union Carbide for extradition of Anderson.

PS Sorry rammana, your post I saw after I posted. Now stands corrected and Hopefully meets the stringent quality control here.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Apr 2010 20:44

Did you read my post above?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 17 Apr 2010 07:23

From Tim Roemer's (U.S. Ambassador to India) blog:

http://blogs.usembassy.gov/roemer/2010/ ... operation/

David Headley’s significance and symbolism in India to the bloodthirsty terrorism of Mumbai is similar in some ways to Osama Bin Laden’s connection to 9/11 for America. We understand this deep anger and commitment to achieve justice for all the victims of this tragic violence. We are literally working night and day at the highest levels of our government to resolve this issue of direct access to Headley. I have been “burning the midnight oil” in late night discussions all week with the White House, Attorney General, FBI officials, counter terrorism experts and State Department personnel. While “indirect access” (which we currently provide) might result in the exchange of more timely and effective intelligence for the Government of India, we will hopefully resolve the legal modalities of direct access in the days ahead. This is of vital importance to the people of India.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 17 Apr 2010 08:50

While “indirect access” (which we currently provide) might result in the exchange of more timely.

IOW they will keep dragging the issue of direct access....looks like desh will never get to see him again.

Second sentence of "legal modalities" is total BS.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 17 Apr 2010 09:01

While “indirect access” (which we currently provide) might result in the exchange of more timely and effective intelligence for the Government of India, ...

IIRC, Lisa Curtis also provided the same rationale for being satisfied with indirect access on NDTV. It appears that these guys are advised by the same brains...

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 17 Apr 2010 09:27

Kiyani & Paasha & their Pentagon buddies & South Asia "experts" like Uneven must be seeing India's anguish and abject helplessness on Headley and laughing their asses off.

There was a sense of guilt in Lisa Curtis's voice. She knew the diabolical con job being inflicted on India.

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 17 Apr 2010 09:47

It appears as if US is doing a lot of ahsaan in giving India access to the Headley. US professes to be partner of India in fighting terror. It has an extradition treaty. This guy has accepted that he was invloved in a terror attack in India. India had given FBI access to Kasab. It flows naturally that India should get this guy extradited to India. The news should be that US is not allowing access to this guy but playing games. India should keep pressing this regardless of the value just to expose the duplicity of US in this affair.

At the very minimum, India should scale down anti terror cooperation with the US. Any self respecting nation would do that.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 17 Apr 2010 11:13

We may get some access to Headley, no extradition

An interview of former IB Special director ?? Mr. A S Dulat.

My reaction to the Interview on the rediff board

Unless he is charged with conspiracy and aiding the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai. All the talk of having access to him is meaningless. Let him be charged and ask for extradition so that he can be tried in an Indian court. That will get us the answers we need. All this talk of having access to Headly is meaningless

Did I just asked for sun and moon and every thing in between.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 17 Apr 2010 16:46

x-post from Mumbai attack thread:

'26/11 attackers trained in Afghanistan'

PTI | Brasilia

Mumbai attackers had undergone training in Al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan, sources have said, revealing for the first time the Afghan link to the deadly 26/11 carnage.

Highlighting this threat, the sources underlined the the criticality of Afghanistan for India in terms of security.

The sources said India has larger interest in Afghanistan, which is part of its periphery. "Whatever happens there affect us," they said.

The sources also said some of those responsible for the 26/11 attacks that killed 166 people, including foreigners, had undergone training at Al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. "This can't be ignored," they said.

India has blamed Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba for the deadly attacks and has been demanding action Hafiz Saeed, who is the chief of JuD, the front organisation for LeT.

The sources also said India will continue its presence in Afghanistan while adjusting according to the situation and capabilities.

India is involved in a number of developmental projects in Afghanistan despite a spate of attacks against its interests in the war-torn country.

"If Taliban capture Afghanistan or Afghanistan goes with Taliban, the situation will be critical for India also," the sources said.

India realises that the situation in Afghanistan is evolving fast and New Delhi is closely monitoring the developments.

They said big issues regarding Afghanistan have to be primarily addressed by Afghans themselves.

There is a feeling in India that Afghans themselves don't want Taliban to be back and would resist if it attempts.

The sources said situation in Afghanistan figured prominently at a meeting between National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon and Chinese State Councillor Dai Bingguo on the sidelines of the India-Brazil-South Africa and Brzail-Russia-China-India Summits here.

Significantly, the Afghan issue was raised by the Chinese side. Both Menon and Dai are Special Representatives for the boundary talks between the two countries.

Earlier, Menon discussed the situation in Afghanistan with Russian officials. Menon had also discussed the issue with his US counterpart Gen James Jones in Washington during the Nuclear Security Summit.

China favoured the continuation of International Stabilisation Force in Afghanistan.

http://dailypioneer.com/249776/26/11-at ... istan.html
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^^^ It would not be surprising if Headley's buddy Ilyas Kashmiri was running a camp in Afghanistan, with UK-US agencies being aware it. Elements of the Pak establishment have definitely been involved, but there are many murky aspects yet to be fully revealed.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 20 Apr 2010 06:04

Access to Headley being worked out at the highest level, says Roemer

http://www.hindu.com/2010/04/20/stories ... 360900.htm

The United States is working at the “highest level” to provide India with access to Lashker-e-Taiba operative David Headley, even as it is sharing “real-time” information with India, U.S. Ambassador Timothy J. Roemer said on Monday.

“The U.S. and India are working at the highest level to provide direct access to Headley. Our government has put this as the highest priority in the counter-terror cooperation… We want to resolve it as quickly as we can,” Mr. Roemer said at a meeting with a group of correspondents here.

The U.S. was sharing “real-time” information in counter-terrorism areas, briefing officials who visited there and asking questions submitted by Indian investigators about what Headley knew.

Citing the U.S. legal system, Mr. Roemer said it was extraordinary to provide direct access to Headley . The LeT operative admitted to his role in plotting the Mumbai terror attacks under a plea bargain before a U.S. court and pleaded guilty to all 12 counts brought by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Under the plea bargaining, he could not be extradited to any country or awarded the death sentence. India has been demanding access to him for interrogation.

U.S. President Barack Obama welcomed India's role in Afghanistan and contributing $1.3 billion for reconstruction, the Ambassador said. The U.S. was looking at how New Delhi's engagement could be enlarged.

Lauding India's role in education and infrastructure development, he said Washington was looking at what new investments New Delhi could make or additional roles it could play, including strengthening anti-corruption measures and building civil services there. As for U.S. Defence Secretary Robert Gates' remarks on greater transparency on the part of India about what it was doing in Afghanistan, Mr. Roemer said the U.S. was satisfied with answers New Delhi provided.

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SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Apr 2010 13:11

abhishek_sharma wrote:Access to Headley being worked out at the highest level, says Roemer

http://www.hindu.com/2010/04/20/stories ... 360900.htm

What is this 'being worked out' that we have been hearing now for several weeks ? Why should it take such a long time for 'working out' ?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 20 Apr 2010 13:16

SSridhar wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Access to Headley being worked out at the highest level, says Roemer

http://www.hindu.com/2010/04/20/stories ... 360900.htm
What is this 'being worked out' that we have been hearing now for several weeks ? Why should it take such a long time for 'working out' ?

He is already proud of what has been achieved.

http://newdelhi.usembassy.gov/pr040510.html

April 5, 2010

Ambassador Timothy J. Roemer today called on Minister for Home Affairs P. Chidambaram, and issued the following statement: "The U.S. remains committed to full information sharing in our counter terror partnership. I am proud of the truly unprecedented level of cooperation and sharing we have achieved already. As I have said before, while no decision on direct access for India to David Headley has been made, the highest levels of the US government continue to work day and night on this issue. As a former member of the 9/11 Commission, I appreciate the importance of cooperation and information sharing, and of the complexities involved in investigating and bringing to justice those who commit acts of terrorism. I am personally committed to helping us work together to strengthen and deepen our unprecedented cooperation in this area even further."

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Apr 2010 07:45

Acharya, I would like to acknowledge you for having called out Daoud Gilani aka David Headley as a double agent with malafide intent of the his sponsors. Sorry that you were trolled early on.

ramana

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Apr 2010 09:21

Did Daoud Gilani/David Headley or Rana scout Delhi or North India?

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 21 Apr 2010 09:56

I am proud of the truly unprecedented level of cooperation and sharing we have achieved already.

He should be. Injuns were fvcked over. "Balance" in South Asia has been achieved.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Apr 2010 09:59

Post graduate Bhat, I consider you a fresh nanha mujahid who isn't biased like an old foggie like me. So what exactly comes to your mind when you hear about the Daoud Gilani case so far?

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 21 Apr 2010 10:02

ramana wrote:Did Daoud Gilani/David Headley or Rana scout Delhi or North India?

Yes sir, Gilani was known to have stayed in Delhi. Matter of fact, you're the one that posted the report about this.
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 82#p771882

In the capital a team of the Delhi Police Special Cell has visited both the hotels Headley stayed in and have questioned hotel managers and owners. Police found a photocopy of Headley's passport in a Paharganj hotel, Anand Hotel, where he stayed in March 2009 in Room no 40. Before that he stayed for a day at the Holiday Inn Hotel's Room no 205.

Headley's passport was issued from Washington, has an India visa stamp on it and describes the terror suspect as David C Headley, citizen of the United States. Headley had submitted his passport to the hotel while checking in.

While in Delhi, Headley traveled by auto and cycle rickshaws. No one ever saw him going by a car. Neither was anyone ever seen coming to either pick him up or drop him.

The FBI had revealed in its chargesheet that Delhi's National Defence College was the target of the Lashkar-e-Toiba-Headley terror plot.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Apr 2010 10:18

Armenullah, Muhe me ghee shakar!

Think the Co-60 in scrap yard was a dump for a dirty bomb. Let me put my thoughts here.

Getting Co-60 in India is well nigh impossible as BARC/BRIT/AERB tightly regulate it. OTH imported scrap is under radar. The high rad intensity source gets shipped to a scrap dealer (I dont know how) for later assembly into a dirty bomb by local terrorists. The stuff gets detonated and TSPA smirks away while India is clueless and gets tarred and feathered by the DDM who are anyway extended propaganda arm of massa and NPAs. And somehow DCH is linked to all this. Those auto rickshaw trips could be scouting trips for such opportunities.

Interesting timing for TSPA to exercise so many troops while they are on a begging spree world over.

Interesting that the experts don't specify the size and amount of the source.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 21 Apr 2010 18:33

ramana wrote:Post graduate Bhat, I consider you a fresh nanha mujahid who isn't biased like an old foggie like me. So what exactly comes to your mind when you hear about the Daoud Gilani case so far?

Nothing much except, amirkhans are exploiting this opportunity to show Injuns their "rightful" place in the world. Must be fun, for a change, watching Indian babus jumping hoops no? Roemer is "burning midnight oil" in framing statements for press releases.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 22 Apr 2010 01:55

Discussions around giving India access to Headley “still on track”

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/article407278.ece

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Apr 2010 10:15

abhishek_sharma wrote:Discussions around giving India access to Headley “still on track”

Thank Gawd for small mercies.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Apr 2010 21:06

The continued delay in access to Daoud Headley is giving rise to thought such as this post....

Pranav wrote:
'Pak may slip over N-weapons to Taliban for use against India'

WASHINGTON: Pakistan may slip over nuclear weapons to the Taliban for use against India in the event of escalated tension or war between the two neighbours, a non-proliferation US commission has said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 847006.cms
Another conceivable scenario is a false-flag attack involving a deeply embedded agent like Headley.

Lay India is catching on there is something not right.

To me India should demand access to DCH as he had surveyed New Delhi and now they find Co-60 sources in scrap Iron yards in new Delhi markets. It could be a way to stockpile rad sources in New Delhi itself. And this is outside the US "plea bargain" which limits itself to 26/11 Mumbai terrorists attack.

How far is Paharganj (where he stayed) from the Mayapuri scrap iron area? Can it be surveyed in an auto rickshaw(which he is known to have travelled in while staying in Paharganj)?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Apr 2010 01:15

Solicitor-General going to U.S. on Headley trail

http://www.hindu.com/2010/04/24/stories ... 960100.htm

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 24 Apr 2010 03:29

ramana - there was a leakage episode in brazil caused by medical isotopes once which initially looked like a dirty bomb situation but was just a transportation accident. it might be easier for these guys to get hold of caesium or even polonium (like the russkies) and smuggle it into India or steal it here and then create a dirty bomb situation. even a small scale event would be enough to make their point