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I got a chance today to see the first part. Few things that I wanted to highlight. Overall the discussion was pretty much on target with the general concencus here on BRF that the problem is Pakistan and Not Afghanistan but again they were dragging India's name which means at some level these intellectuals were also getting affectd with porkie BS

Stanley Wolpert while talking about nuclear war said no one in right mind would use these WMD but talibans can do it. After that he added BJP as mad enough to use nukes. Now either this guy has no clue of what BJP is or was just spreading fear amongst his listeners.
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There were reports of Sri Geithner visitng India. Here is an appraisal from GP in Tribune, Chandigarh


SOURCE

Uncertainty over Obama policies
Dark shadow on India-US relations

by G. Parthasarathy

American Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner thrilled corporate audiences in Mumbai by showering praise on the performance of India’s economy and referring to the growing interest of corporate America in the “prospects” for cooperation and investment in India. Earlier, in his State of the Union Address, President Obama had proclaimed: “These nations (India and Germany) are not playing for second place. They are placing more emphasis on maths and science. They are rebuilding their infrastructure”.

In the same speech, however, he reiterated his aversion to outsourcing to India, stating: “It is time to finally slash the tax breaks for companies that ship our jobs overseas.” Though the Indian corporate sector has not been too concerned about Mr Obama’s pronouncements, there are naturally queries regarding his mindset about India when President Obama proclaims: “Say no to Bangalore, say yes to Buffalo.”

Mr Geithner’s visit came just after the revelation that President Obama had issued a Presidential directive stating: “India must make resolving its tensions with Pakistan a priority for progress to be made on US goals in the region”. It has also been reported that the Obama wish list includes a number of “do’s and don’ts” for India. We are told that because the Obama Administration requires Pakistan’s help for facilitating a speedy withdrawal from Afghanistan and getting a deal with the Taliban, India is absolutely forbidden from undertaking any effort to train the Afghan National Army. This is because General Kayani wants to train the Afghans, who in turn have little trust and even less affection for the Pakistan Army and the ISI.

India, it is asserted by the worthies in the Pentagon, should be “more transparent” and “cooperate more” about developments along its borders with Pakistan. We are also required to reduce the number of troops in Jammu and Kashmir to enable Pakistan to deploy more forces along its western borders.

New Delhi should realise that it is dealing with an American Administration which just does not know how to deal with the Pakistan Army that trains, arms and provides safe haven to the Haqqani network in North Waziristan and hosts the Mullah Omar-led “Quetta Shura”, which moves around freely, all across Pakistan. Rather than dealing with this issue by turning the squeeze on Pakistan and compelling it to end support for those killing American forces in Afghanistan, the whiz kids in the Pentagon appear to have decided that the easier way out would be to compel a government in New Delhi, which is seen to be “receptive” to American “persuasion”, to fall in line with everything General Kayani demands from India, even as he continues assisting the Taliban in Afghanistan and the Lashkar-e-Toiba against India.

“Kayani appeasement” seems to be the policy being advocated by Generals James Jones, David Petraeus, Stanley McChrystal and Karl Eikenberry and Admiral Mike Mullen. And President Obama appears more than ready to follow the advice of his military brass.

Addressing his troops at the Bagram airbase, near Kabul, on March 30, President Obama proclaimed: “We are going to disrupt, dismantle, defeat and destroy Al-Qaida and its extremist allies and deny Al-Qaida safe haven. We are going to reverse the Taliban’s momentum. We are going to strengthen the capacity of the Afghan security forces and the government”. Strangely, President Obama’s reference of wanting to strengthen the Afghan Government came almost immediately after his National Security Adviser Gen James Jones had reportedly bad-mouthed President Karzai and his government for their alleged inefficiency, corruption, nepotism and incompetence in a briefing for American correspondents.

“Karzai bashing” appears to have become a favourite sport of American officials ranging from General Jones to Special Representative Richard Holbrooke, who show little regard for the fact that the Afghan President is a proud Durrani Pashtun and certainly has more legitimacy that many others the Americans have supported in the past. Turning on those who have allied themselves with the Americans while appeasing those who plot the killing of American soldiers seems to have become a favourite pastime for what appears to be a confused and badly divided American Administration.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh may have received soothing assurances on American policies when he met President Obama on April 11. New Delhi should realise that in its dealings with China and while handling the situation in the AfPak region, the Obama Administration appears quite prepared to disregard Indian sensitivities and interests either when it finds China useful on issues like Iran’s nuclear programme or Pakistan claims that it will facilitate the American exit strategy. Timothy Geithner may have flattered Indian egos in Mumbai, but his real business was to secure Chinese approval to revalue the yuan, when he went to China immediately after his visit to India. This was reminiscent of Henry Kissinger stopping by in Delhi in 1971 en route to Beijing via Pakistan.

It should also be evident that the White House will continue to play down the Pakistani support for terrorism and the supply of military hardware, including F-16 fighters, missiles and frigates, while endeavouring to marginalise India on emerging developments in Afghanistan. India is now quite appropriately widening its diplomatic options by active participation in forums like IBSA (India, Brazil and South Africa) and BRICS (Brazil, India, Russia and China). Our effort should be to get full membership of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation and work more closely with Russia, Iran, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan on developments in Afghanistan.

Despite these developments, India’s bilateral relationship with the US will remain its most important one for the foreseeable future. The potential for cooperation in areas ranging from agriculture and education to space and high technology transfers is immense. Moreover, the corporate sectors in the two countries have set the stage for rapidly expanding trade, business and investment cooperation. But in a climate of strategic uncertainty brought about by what can only be said to be strange handling of foreign and security policies by the Obama Administration, it would only be appropriate for our political parties and parliamentarians to carefully examine the provisions of the proposed Nuclear Liability Bill.

The Bill should be passed only after wide-ranging consultations and studies about the practices across the world even if such examination takes a year to complete. Similarly, while there are suggestions that defence supplies from the US should get preferential treatment, we need to look at the possibilities of increasingly linking defence purchases to the consideration and sensitivity that suppliers show for our security concerns. Moreover, close consultations with Russia, China and countries like Brazil and Turkey are needed in fashioning our response to American concerns on Iran’s nuclear programme.
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Another informative article by MKB:
Hamid Karzai's reconciliation strategy
With just a fortnight left for the “jirga” or tribal council to be held in Kabul, the prospects do not look good. Pakistan is determined to torpedo the Afghanistan government's plan to work out a societal consensus for ending the war through the traditional means of a consultative assembly. The convening of the jirga, for May 2-4, was a pledge made by President Hamid Karzai in his inaugural address last November. The idea has been viewed favourably by the bulk of the Afghan society. On the other hand, western powers, especially the United States and the United Kingdom, acquiesced in manifest reluctance.

To what extent the U.S. and the U.K. are acting in concert with Pakistan to sabotage Mr. Karzai's initiative is difficult to judge but all three protagonists seem to be on the same side of the fence. Their concerns appear to converge on a single point — a successful jirga would take the wind out of their sails and put the Afghans in the driving seat and, in the process, Mr. Karzai might succeed in unifying the national opinion behind him.

For sure, the jirga can prove a turning point. Mr. Karzai proposes to invite 1200-1400 representatives from various walks of life — tribal elders from every district, members of Parliament, women, civil society, etc. Masoom Stanekzai, national security adviser and confidant of Mr. Karzai, entrusted with the planning of the jirga, said in a recent interview that the event would give shape to a peace process that is acceptable to the entire country, including all political and ethnic groups. “We don't want a peace that undermines the rights of some. The jirga is about rallying broad support behind the whole policy.”

Second, he said, the jirga would be asked to endorse a government plan for the reintegration of insurgents in line with the decision taken at the London Conference of January 28. Third, it would set the ground rules for holding talks with the insurgents.

Mr. Stanekzai said the government hoped to get endorsement for its three basic principles for holding talks with the Taliban — that the Taliban would sever all links with the al-Qaeda and other extremist groups; abide by the Afghan Constitution; and recognise that in a plural society, all groups have equal rights. As he put it: “We don't want to go back to the era of the Taliban.”

Fourth, the jirga would discuss “what people expect from the government, the international community, and NATO forces,” to quote Mr. Stanekzai. Herein probably lies the bitter pill for the western countries — the jirga may well choose to discuss a timeline for the vacation of foreign occupation of Afghanistan.

It is not difficult to see why Pakistan is opposed to Mr. Karzai's peace plan. Its strategy aims at a Taliban takeover in Afghanistan incrementally, whereas Mr. Karzai's plan intends to precisely prevent such a calamity. His plan will inexorably expose that the militia, despite robust ISI backing, remains unacceptable politically to the majority of the Afghans. What unnerves the Pakistani military leadership is that Mr. Karzai, who hails from a powerful Pashtun tribe, intends forging a peace process which will underscore Afghanistan's plural society.

Mr. Karzai's plan refuses to envisage any centrality for the Inter-Services Intelligence in the peace process. Actually, most Afghans resent the ISI's diabolical role in their country and Mr. Karzai himself does not really need its help to get in touch with the Taliban. The Afghans have always had their own native networking. Even at the height of the conflict in the end-1990s, Northern Alliance leaders kept up their contacts with the Taliban. Mr. Karzai is equally well placed to contact the Taliban as many elements within his coalition maintain communication channels with the insurgents.

The ISI, on the other hand, insists on its being the sole channel for contacting the Taliban so that Pakistan can dictate the terms of any political settlement. This strategy will go awry if Mr. Karzai's jirga succeeds and leads to a genuine pan-Afghan peace process of national reconciliation in line with the Afghan traditions of conflict resolution, and results in the formation of a broad-based government under his leadership. Thus, a systematic disinformation campaign has been let loose to tarnish the image of Mr. Karzai for “appeasing” the Taliban. Many gullible foreigners promptly lapped up the ISI's dissimulation.

The recent arrest of the number 2 in the Taliban hierarchy, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, has virtually snapped an important communication channel between the Afghan government and the Taliban leadership. The Washington Post reported: “Senior Afghan officials in the military and presidential palace accuse Pakistan of orchestrating the arrest of Baradar and others to take down Taliban leaders most amenable to negotiations. Some of them say that Afghans had been in secret contact with Baradar before his arrest and that he was prepared to join the 1400 people descending on Kabul next month for a peace conference [jirga].”
Above all, Pakistan calculates that time is in its favour as the clock begins to tick for the U.S. presidential election in 2012, and Barack Obama finds himself hard-pressed to show “results” in the Afghan war. The Pakistani estimation is that if Mr. Karzai's jirga fails to gain credibility, Islamabad will have derived political mileage by demonstrating that there can be no viable Afghan peace process that does not recognise the ISI's pivotal role. Islamabad can play these games endlessly and hope to extract maximum concessions from Washington. Typical of the ISI's shenanigans is the reported development that, after getting senior U.S. officials like AfPak special representative Richard Holbrooke to commend Pakistan for arresting some Taliban leaders recently, the ISI has quietly been setting them free.

Sadly enough, the forthcoming jirga is a replay of two defining moments in the Afghan civil war that have faded into oblivion. The first instance was in the period immediately preceding the Soviet withdrawal. Diego Cordovez and Selig Harrison describe vividly in their masterly work Out of Afghanistan how Moscow tried desperately to bring about a reconciliation between the communist government in Kabul led by Najibullah and the Afghan Mujahideen. Eduard Shevardnadze, then Soviet Foreign Minister, visited Islamabad in February 1989 to meet Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and the Pakistani military and ISI leadership in a last-ditch mission to persuade Islamabad to accept a temporary sharing of power between Najibullah and the Mujahideen as a means of avoiding a bloody civil war.

The second occasion was the Loya Jirga convened by Najibullah in May 1990, soon after the Soviet withdrawal that formally ended the communist party's monopoly over executive power. To quote Najibullah: “The present Loya Jirga held at a crucial moment will go down in the history of our beloved homeland. Let this Loya Jirga be identified with the notions of National Reconciliation, national unity and peace and tranquillity in Afghanistan.”

Yet, the ISI refused to oblige any Afghan-led national reconciliation. A political compromise was not in its plans as that would have been inconsistent with the Pakistani military's objective of gaining “strategic depth.” History is set to repeat itself next month even as Pakistan actively sabotages Mr. Karzai's jirga.

What is not so obvious, however, are Washington's motives in not only not giving Mr. Karzai a fair chance to hold a successful jirga but also systematically undercutting him. In 1989-90, Washington had the burning desire to avenge the humiliation in Vietnam, no matter how many Afghan lives perished. Therefore, the CIA urged the ISI to stand firm against the Soviets as the U.S. wanted to celebrate a total communist debacle in Kabul. But there is no ideology involved in today's war and there is no conceivable reason why the U.S. should allow itself to view the forthcoming jirga through the prism of the Pakistani military leadership — even if one were to make allowance for elements within Mr. Obama's AfPak team which may be the vestiges of the Afghan jihad of the 1980s and cannot easily break with the past mindset.
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So if Karzai calls a loya jirga of all Pashtuns in Afghanistan so whats stopping the constituted loya jirga from declaring the non attendees(ISI pasand Talibs) as haram and get them excommunicated.

To answer MKB's question recall Cynthia Mahmood was saying the US biggest concern is TSP collapse. So they are doing their best to prop up TSP and will do anything to prevent the collapse. Its the old Blazing Saddles scenario of give me what I ask or I will shoot myself!
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Sum/RamanaGaru,

That was good analysis from MKB, but one question pops up in my mind. Acoording to MKB, the reason why US and his UK puppies are trying to sabotage Karzai's efforts is because if there is a national reconciliation govt, they might ask US/UK to pack their bags which they don't like. Yet, at another point MKB argues that as 2012 aopproaches, Obama would like to show results meaning US troop withdrawl as Obama promised. I see a contradiction here. If the professed US goal is withdrawl, then Karzai & Co demanding the same cannot be a reason to sabotage him.
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So .................. what MKB is saying .................... is that the speech made by Karzai in Isloo (that Pakistan and Afghanistan are joint at the hip) was just that - a meaningless speech.

ISI's game plan is to attempt to build a "Akhanda" Pakistan, that encompasses India and Afghanistan. Kashmir and all are mear excuses that bridge US presidential elections.
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In the very recent past India has been more vocal about India protecting Indian interests in Afghanistan.

The ONLY party that threatens Indian "interest" is the ISI - there really are no other/s.

IMVVVHO, the way to counter the ISI is through Baluchistan. India may have to go about increasing the pressure despite upsetting a few apple carts. But, I am confident that Indian interests will ultimately be to the benefit of others too.

IF India can act, India should. Indian action can only hurt the ISI and no one else.
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CRamS wrote:Sum/RamanaGaru,

That was good analysis from MKB, but one question pops up in my mind. Acoording to MKB, the reason why US and his UK puppies are trying to sabotage Karzai's efforts is because if there is a national reconciliation govt, they might ask US/UK to pack their bags which they don't like. Yet, at another point MKB argues that as 2012 aopproaches, Obama would like to show results meaning US troop withdrawl as Obama promised. I see a contradiction here. If the professed US goal is withdrawl, then Karzai & Co demanding the same cannot be a reason to sabotage him.
The US seems to have subscribed to the Pakistani argument about strategic depth. IF they have there is no way Karzai or any Afghani could make decisions for Afghanistan. ALL decisions in the national interest of Afghanistan have to go through the ISI, which seems to have US support (from the present administration).
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Have to disagree NR. All indications are that the approach by the US admins, Bush and Obama, is multi-pronged and quite sophisticated, if not always readily apparent and clearly involving major snafus here and there - the temporary distancing from Karzai being one. Of course, one never knows, but in the realm of dirty games nobody needs to teach uncle sham any lessons - least of all the ISI. The bloody fools are being used as willing condoms, and think they are being smart by being porous condoms. Sooner or later though, someone will get pregnant, and then guess what? Certainly the condom will be discarded.
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CRamS wrote:Sum/RamanaGaru,

That was good analysis from MKB, but one question pops up in my mind. Acoording to MKB, the reason why US and his UK puppies are trying to sabotage Karzai's efforts is because if there is a national reconciliation govt, they might ask US/UK to pack their bags which they don't like. Yet, at another point MKB argues that as 2012 aopproaches, Obama would like to show results meaning US troop withdrawl as Obama promised. I see a contradiction here. If the professed US goal is withdrawl, then Karzai & Co demanding the same cannot be a reason to sabotage him.
As I understand, it seems to say that US wants out, but with a Govt which they can "rely" on. Karazai can not be relied on to deliver.

I think the two deliveries are
1) No use of Afg territory for Jihad against the west (since he doesn't control the Taliban enough and they will still have space with Karazai in power as he is not strong enough)
2) Continuing the client-master relationship that US has with Pakistan even in Afg. Karazai seems to have understood that if he wants a Afg which is not a hell hole, he will have to have a independent policy and independent vision, this will go against US interests, including the cozy relationship with the Paquis

I think US under Bush wanted a strong Afg under Karazai and Taliban broken, however they lost the war due to the inherent contradictions of their approach and hence are returning to pre 9/11 model essentially.
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JE Menon wrote: Sooner or later though, someone will get pregnant, and then guess what? Certainly the condom will be discarded.
Err JEM the condom in this case is not to avoid pregnancies, they have gotten many pregnant anyway, its to keep the Massa safe from picking up infections. In that the condom did fail, once, and is being repaired for next use.
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I think Karzai can offer air bases for USA and India in return for assured financial aid. It could be made into a win-win scenario for all friends of Afghanistan.
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RamaY wrote:I think Karzai can offer air bases for USA and India in return for assured financial aid. It could be made into a win-win scenario for all friends of Afghanistan.
From the Indo-US thread:
Worryingly, the question we were asked repeatedly was why India believed it had any vital interests in Afghanistan, other than to contain Pakistan.
Placing India on the defensive. And placing themselves as the protectors of the region.
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^

India has many options that TSPA wants to do on its own :twisted:

- Training ANA in India - one Division at a time sponsored by USA/NATO
- Comprehensive Reconstruction Program - Project execution of Afghan-Aid
- Renting Military bases

If TSPA has the intent, money and capability it must be encouraged to pay for reperations!
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The flying Sikh and the peacenik ---- M K Bhadrakumar.
The Indian strategic thinkers take umbrage that the Obama administration is determined to end the fighting in Afghanistan and as a means of securing that objective, seeks the Taliban's reintegration and reconciliation. They feel badly let down. They want the fighting to go on and on till the Taliban are bled white and vanquished from the face of the earth.

They are unwilling to concede that the Taliban could be essentially a homegrown Afghan movement that outsiders have cynically manipulated over years. Thus, they feel "deeply disturbed" about what is unfolding and feel cheated that the Obama administration "shunned advance consultations on Afghanistan with its Indian partners".

The fact of the matter, however, is that those Indians are almost completely alone in the region in clinging on to their one-dimensional view of the Taliban as a 100% Pakistani clone. Almost all major regional powers of consequence to the Afghan situation - Iran, China, Russia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the Central Asian states - agree on the limited point that there is need of an inclusive pan-Afghan solution to the present problem if the peace dividends are to be enduring.

In Delhi, arguably, the Indian establishment also has grudgingly come to be aware that the "reintegration" of the Taliban is something that mainstream Afghan opinion itself desires and the international community seeks and India, therefore, doesn't have the locus standii to be unilaterally prescriptive.

But the so-called Indian hawks shall have nothing of such blasphemous thoughts.

There is also some sophistry here. The heartache among the Indian hawks about the reconciliation with the Taliban is actually all about their deeply flawed assessment of the Afghan situation in the past eight years. The sad reality is that the overwhelming bulk of the Indian strategic community has no clue about the fundamental aspects of the Afghan problem and harbors simplistic notions about its long-term ramifications for regional security and stability not only with regard to South Asia but Central Asia as well.
Obama can't pressure Pakistan
To be fair to the Indian strategists, a huge and almost unbridgeable hiatus has appeared between the Indian expectations of the US pressuring Pakistan to do away with its terrorist infrastructure and the US's alleged unwillingness to apply such pressure on the Pakistani military. This is most evident in the Obama administration's dogged refusal to give Indian intelligence direct access to interrogate David Coleman Headley, a prime suspect behind the Mumbai terrorist attacks of November 2008, aside from allowing Delhi to extradite him.

The Indians have a point in saying that in a comparable situation over the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington, the Americans would have bombed India to the Stone Age if Delhi refused to hand over its own Headley. Especially if it insisted on keeping him behind the purdah (veil) somewhere in detention in a south Indian city and argued that it had a "plea bargain" with him.

But then, these are the realities of world politics. The US never ever has hidden its inability to treat other nations as equals or its John Waynesque ways in world politics: that might is right under all circumstances. Neither has it given up its prerogative to pursue its national interests first and foremost even at the cost of other nations sacrificing theirs.

To be sure, if the Indian perceptions of recent years in the promised land of the US-India strategic partnership turned out to be full of weeds and bleached bones, is it Obama who is at fault? The Indians could have easily learnt from the Iranians who live in their close neighborhood or the Iraqis in Mesopotamia who were their ancient partners in the civilized world millennia ago, how ruthlessly self-centered the US could be when the chips are down.
Yet Obama is an exception. He has not hidden his genuine warmth toward India and all the values of humaneness that Indians can legitimately claim as their historical legacy. More than that, as a pragmatist and patriot, he is intensely aware that ignoring or neglecting the relationship with India will deeply injure the US geopolitical interests in the Asian continent.
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http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/201 ... conundrum/
Reconciling the Af-Pak Conundrum
Ali Ahmad

For Americans, leaving Af-Pak to triumphalist Islamists is unthinkable. For NATO countries with populations sceptical of the future in Af-Pak, an increase in the terror threat in Europe due to further degeneration of the situation is avoidable. Pakistan would prefer that the ‘blow back’ it has been suffering from over the past year, due in part to its actions against terror groups in NWFP and FATA, dissipate. India would not like an unreformed Taliban regime taking over power in Kabul. The Taliban for its part would not like to be eliminated. The Al Qaeda would like to outlive the war.The question is whether the Taliban are strategic beings. Even if the Taliban do not bite, not to attempt engaging them is inexcusable and the risk is worth taking. Al Qaeda has been whittled considerably. The US could now rethink strategy. It has little to do with South Asia. Therefore, South Asia should cease to be the locale of US action.India needs to keep engaged in Afghanistan in its developmental effort. This soft power is more than adequate to balance any gains Pakistan may seek to make. The Taliban’s feelers towards India need to be capitalised on by India. In return for assistance with reconstruction, the Taliban need to assure India on anti-India activity.Pursuit of self-interest has not taken any of these players far in any case. It’s time a criteria other than self-interest is used to assess action. How much does each self-confessed supporter do to help preserve the Afghan people from further violence is the criterion. By this yardstick all players fall short.
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Any misuse of arms supplied to Pak will be probed: US
Taking note of India's concerns, the United States today warned Pakistan that any "misuse" of weapons supplied to it will be investigated and the US Congress will take it "seriously".

"We will look into it very seriously," US Ambassador to India Timothy J Roemer told reporters here, asserting that arms supplied to Pakistan should be used only for the purpose mentioned in the agreement between the two countries.

The envoy's comments came just days after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, during his meeting with US President Barack Obama last week, voiced apprehensions about misuse of US military supplies to Pakistan.

Singh's apprehensions had prompted Obama to assure him that India's concerns in this regard would be kept in mind while dealing with the issue.

"...There are allegations of misuse of weapons given to Pakistan for other purposes. We will investigate it, Congress will take the issue seriously," Roemer said.
And
India's work in Afghanistan critically important: US
US Ambassador Timothy J Roemer on Monday lauded India's reconstruction work in Afghanistan and stressed that there were opportunities for the two countries to work together in stabilising the violence-torn country...<snip>
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slightly related (do not see Iraq thread)
US: Deaths of 2 al-Qaida in Iraq leaders big blow
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Subscription: Pakistan: Repackaging the Taliban as allies
posted on April 15, 2010, at 3:56 PM

Rafia Zakaria
Dawn

The U.S. and Pakistan are giving the Taliban an image overhaul, said Rafia Zakaria. The talk is no longer of bloodthirsty zealots who behead critics and abuse women. That kind of rhetoric was appropriate to describe a Taliban that was the enemy. But now, the U.S. wants an end to the AfPak conflict, and that means making peace with the Taliban. So U.S. and Pakistani officials have begun promoting a new theme, stressing that the Pakistani Taliban is “increasingly at odds” with al Qaida. ................................
But there’s a glitch in this scenario. Saying you can make peace with the Taliban doesn’t make it so. Many Pakistanis remember the more than “200 girls’ schools bombed, the scores of beheaded villagers, the blast-stricken markets, and the many thousands of dead civilians that the Taliban have left in their wake.” It’s going to be a tough job to make the ostensibly “good” Taliban members palatable “to a Pakistani public ravaged by their brutality.”
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Folks, its another wednesday and new IOL issue released.

Article on ISI keeping up relations with Taliban.

While the Washington strategic dialogue was going on. CIA had asked ISI to handover 2 lieutenants who were arrested, working under Mullah Baradar (who was arrested in Feb by ISI) who is of taliban military leader. Instead Pasha saab released the 2 individuals while he was in washington having chai with washingtonwalla's. S section of ISI is placed in charge of dealing with af pak islamist movements, just in case there is a NATO pullout of afghanistan and as a result karzai regime in kabul decides to changes sides etc.

Now related to the above is the Hezb-i-islami movement leader reapproachment with Karzai saab. This is being brokered by Chinese intelligence (Beijing boys). China and Hekmatyar have had relations since the 90's, thanks to ISI introducing them, helped negotiate an end to taliban support of uighurs in xinjiang. in the 90s chinese were supplying hekmatyar with arms. . In exchange Beijing will help taliban return to the political stage in afghanistan. The deputy head of PLA military intelligence, had travelled to Kabul to convince Karzai that PLA will help Karzai set up his new army and intelligence service after the NATO withdrawal next year. If NATO were to announce the withdrawal of its troops next year, Hekmatyar would like to have a role as a mediator and to be able to bring Karzai closer to the Taliban.
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Who does Hekmatyar represent in the Taliban? Is he Mullah Omar faction or his own? And does it matter? Is he a Ghilzai like rest of the Omar faction of Taliban?
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ramana wrote:Who does Hekmatyar represent in the Taliban? Is he Mullah Omar faction or his own? And does it matter? Is he a Ghilzai like rest of the Omar faction of Taliban?
Hekmatyar belongs to Kharoti tribe, part of Ghilzais.
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Just adding on to what I said above. It appears that the arrest of the taleban guys over the last month or 2, and ISI now cooperating with the US army over the border has meant that Obama has agreed to stop criticising TSP. So expect all lovey dovey stuff about TSP in the press.

Washington and Riyadh are doing their best to stop ISI cooperating with Taliban.
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'Pak may use surrogate Taliban to use nukes against India'
Pakistan may slip over nuclear weapons to the Taliban for use against India in the event of escalated tension or war between the two neighbours, a non-proliferation US commission has said.

"If something broke out in Kashmir that reignited the vitriol between India and Pakistan, that could be an incident that could cause someone to make the decision.

"We don't want to use these weapons, but we're going to let our surrogate Taliban have access to these weapons and they'll do our dirty work," Bob Graham, head of US Commission on the Prevention of WMD proliferation and terrorism told US lawmakers at a Congressional hearing.
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So they are not so sharp after all to understand the complexity of Af-Pak that they have to deal with. BTW some of us had side sessions to understand the chart and can explain it if anyone wants.

Its a mind map not a traditional chart for starters. It shows the complex interaction of each of the big blobs and how they all flow together.

It ignores the great role that India, Iran and Russia have.
In fact if any of the three collapses the Af-Pak solution will solve itself in one way. So the role for the three is to just stay put and not get swayed by external or far away forces. US is leaning on India to influence one solution to Af-Pak favorable to its interests. Its threaening the Iranians on the other hand. And Russian bear image is conjured as needed to scare the solution favorable to it.

To understand the mind map you need to read atleast 30 books and have an open mind after that. Or participate in this forum over the last decade.
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X-posted....
"Theo_Fidel"

I don't usually subscribe to Stratfor's point of view, but this one seems to be fairly on the money.

http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010042897 ... india.html

Three Points of View: The United States, Pakistan and India
But now, U.S. and Pakistani interests not only appear aligned again, the two countries appear to be laying groundwork for the incorporation of elements of the Taliban into the Afghan state. The Indians are concerned that with American underwriting, the Pakistanis not only may be about to re-emerge as a major check on Indian ambitions, but in a form eerily familiar to the sort of state-militant partnership that so effectively limited Indian power in the past. They are right. The Indians also are concerned that Pakistani promises to the Americans about what sort of behavior militants in Afghanistan will be allowed to engage in will not sufficiently limit the militants' activities - and in any event will do little to nothing to address the Kashmiri militant issue. Here, too, the Indians are probably right. The Americans want to leave - and if the price of departure is leaving behind an emboldened Pakistan supporting a militant structure that can target India, the Americans seem fine with making India pay that price.
India has to make the price much higher than the seat warmer govt can create.
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The Americans want to leave - and if the price of departure is leaving behind an emboldened Pakistan supporting a militant structure that can target India, the Americans seem fine with making India pay that price.
Only silver lining i can see in such a scenario is that GoI is no longer left with a "US wants Af-Pak" stable alibi to keep doing nothing against Pak.

( Of course, different matter that new alibis will be invented to ensure GoI does not act and punish Pak for its mis-deeds)
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Nightwatch comments 4/28/2010
Afghanistan: Only 29 of 121 strategically significant Afghan districts support the government of President Hamid Karzai, and the political will to "fight" (sic) corruption is still in doubt, according to yet another Pentagon assessment released 28 April, Reuters reported.


The report notes modest progress on anti-corruption efforts, particularly in legal and institutional reforms, but says that substantive change is lacking and the public perception of such efforts are "decidedly negative" and extend to international forces and the international community. The government's inability to provide basic services and the "exploitative behavior" of some officials contribute to the insurgency's success, the report says.


Comment: NightWatch has studied Afghanistan for more than 30 years and based on that body of experience it challenges the assertions of the study as jejune, as reported. First of all, no baseline study of Afghan attitudes towards corruption has ever been performed. We do not know how Afghans define corruption, even. Further, it is remarkable that any analyst or agency would pretend to assert that there is some kind of homogeneity in the attitudes of the residents of any district in Afghanistan without reference to tribal leadership.

Louis Dupree came as close as anyone to defining corruption in Afghanistan. It does not mean honest government, as understood in the west. The meaning is closer to overreaching for personal advantage without spreading the benefits to the tribe. The idea of "fighting" corruption is American political cant, not anything related to Afghanistan.

The idea of supporting the central government is an alien import. Legal and institutional reforms? are pretty meaningless in a country that is illiterate. Again, there is no baseline for measuring support for the government, whatever that means. If the dominant tribal elder in a district benefits from Karzai's cronies, the district will support the government. It is astonishing that someone in Washington could conclude that 29 of 400 districts support anything.

This kind of sophistry, as reported, is symptomatic of the problems about which the US intelligence chief complained in January. Bold assertions are meaningless and lack context without definitions and baselines.

For example, in 1996 more than 100 mortar, rocket and direct fire attacks occurred daily in Kabul when Hekmatyar was prime minister. That is a baseline datum for how bad security can get in Kabul during a civil war. The Taliban and all other anti-government forces have never come close to achieving that level of insecurity in ten years.

The arrival of Americans did not reset the baseline for violence or political loyalty in Afghanistan. The insurgency is not a function of the American definition of corruption. Such a suggestion misleads policy makers. It is much more about foreign soldiers occupying Afghan tribal lands. In other words, there would be fighting and insurgency to drive out the invaders even if the government in Kabul were as clean as a hound's tooth, to quote CIA Director Casey. It is ignorant to suggest otherwise.
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Nightwatch comments
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Administrative Note: NightWatch has studied the report to Congress on progress toward security and stability in Afghanistan and will comment a greater length on it later. A few remarks are in order at this time.

Tonight the single salient point for Readers is that the report's conclusion that the security situation is not getting worse is consistent with the NightWatch assessment of the past year. For example, the NightWatch data on fighting in Afghanistan for the first quarter of 2010 show clearly that the insurgency has peaked in two senses. First it remains confined to the Pashtuns and the areas in which they reside, almost exclusively. Second, no new districts are under stress. This does not mean that anyone is winning. It just means the insurgency is primarily a Pashtun phenomenon, which should not be news to Readers.

{Was it ever anything else? It was and is a Pashtun Civil War to control Afghanistan and eventually create Pakhtunwa. Surprising that experts saw something else!}

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The Report contains 3 and a half pages on the status of the insurgency in a report that runs to 152 pages, not counting classified annexes. They are pages 21, 22, 23 and half of 24. One of them contains a map of Afghanistan. This is a travesty that cannot be rectified by a classified annex.

There are other problems with the report, including internal contradictions and inconsistencies; confounding differences in writing and analytical style and assertions that simply are not credible. More on those at another time.
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sum wrote:Inside info on Karzai's Indian visit by MKB:
India closes ranks with Hamid Karzai
The Afghan President Hamid Karzai's two-day visit to New Delhi last week took place at a defining moment in the Afghan civil war. Mr. Karzai is about to embark on a crucial peace and reconciliation project. He just completed talks in three important regional capitals — Islamabad, Tehran and Beijing — explaining his strategy, for the success of which he needs the understanding from the regional powers. Tehran and Beijing were forthcoming in their support of the Afghan government whereas Islamabad views him as a rival claimant to piloting the peace process.

Secondly, “Afghanisation” is set to surge to the centre stage. The foreign minister-level meeting of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) held in Tallinn, the Estonian capital, on April 23 officially set in motion a process to roll back the alliance's operations in Afghanistan. While this would be a natural process and not a “run for the exit,” as NATO secretary-general Anders Fogh Rasmussen put it, the political reality is that the western allies have reached agreement on basic guidelines for commencing the hand-over of responsibility for security to the Afghan forces on a case-by-case basis within this year. The international conference, slated to be held in Kabul in June, will further “tweak” the NATO's approach. Mr. Karzai formally invited India to take part in the conference.

The talks in Delhi have made it quite clear that India will remain an effective partner for the Afghan government in the difficult period ahead no matter the vicissitudes of the United States' AfPak diplomacy; the worsening security situation inside Afghanistan; the Pakistani military's undisguised power projection for “strategic depth”; and, least of all, the physical threat from Pakistani agents to the Indian presence in Afghanistan.

Dr. Singh summed up that his discussions with Mr. Karzai were “extremely productive.” Delhi underlined their strategic character by including Defence Minister A.K. Antony in the Indian delegation at the talks. Dr. Singh pointedly articulated India's “deep admiration” for Mr. Karzai's “courageous leadership in difficult times,” probably administering a word of advice to the Barack Obama administration to have a sense of proportions in judging the highly complex Afghan political situation. Broadly speaking, the Indian viewpoint has been consistently that there is an organic linkage between creating an enabling security environment and setting high yardsticks about an expansion of the footprint of the Afghan government or its accelerated progress on governance issues.

Interestingly, a lowering of the anti-Karzai rhetoric and grandstanding is of late visible in certain quarters within the Obama administration. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton conspicuously voiced a rethink recently. The big question, however, is how far down the ladder Ms Clinton's fair-minded estimation trickles down. Delhi would very much hope that her helpful words translate as U.S. policies on the ground in the aftermath of Mr. Karzai's visit to Washington on May 10-14 — although a systematic Pakistani attempt to queer the pitch of the visit is already afoot.

Two topics dominated Mr. Karzai's talks in Delhi — placing India's development and strategic partnership with Afghanistan within the “Afghanisation” process and, secondly, India's perspectives on the “reintegration” and reconciliation of the Taliban. Dr. Singh said, “India is ready to augment its assistance for capacity building and for its skills and human resource development to help strengthen public institutions in Afghanistan.”

India's assistance for Afghanistan already touches a massive figure of $1.3 billion. India can train Afghan specialists in various fields, provide training and equipment to the Afghan army and cooperate in a range of counter-terrorism and counter-narcotic activities. However, Delhi would be aware that any military deployment in Afghanistan is bound to be a potentially exhausting military mission and needs to be avoided. The Indian stance is strikingly similar to that of Russia or China, which also refuse to get militarily involved in Afghanistan. The challenge facing Indian diplomacy will be to figure out how economic expansion can be the key element of India's security strategy in Afghanistan. Arguably, emulating China's model, which places emphasis on making investments in resource-based projects will be a step forward for India. This could be done in collaboration with Afghan partners.

Without doubt, Mr. Karzai's visit helped to further refine the Indian thinking apropos the contours of an Afghan settlement. The Indian thinking rests on the following assessments. One, India regards the forthcoming jirga (tribal assembly) in May in Kabul and the Afghan parliamentary elections in September to be “important milestones.” Delhi agrees with Mr. Karzai's stance that in order for these processes to be legitimate and enduring, they should be Afghan-led. Two, these political processes can be optimal only if they go hand in hand with the international community's long term commitment to stability, peace and development in Afghanistan.

Three, the deterioration in the security situation is a hard reality and it needs to be firmly tackled on a priority basis within Afghanistan as well as in Pakistan, where the syndicate of terrorist organisations and other extremist groups operating in the region enjoy support and sustenance. Towards this end, apart from the NATO's surge, the Afghan security forces should be enlarged and developed in a professional manner and provided with adequate resources, combat equipment and enablers and training.

It would appear that Mr. Karzai allayed the Indian apprehensions regarding the strategy of “reintegration” of the Taliban. Delhi takes a cautious view of the process since in its view the Taliban may exploit the political space to capture power with Pakistani support, creating a fait accompli for the region, which was how the ISI implemented a phase-by-phase agenda of the Taliban takeover in Afghanistan during 1994-97. Therefore, Delhi would expect the reintegration process to be “tackled with prudence, the benefit of hindsight, foresight and caution.” Also, Delhi stresses that any integration process should be “inclusive and transparent,” which is predicated on the assessment that Afghanistan is a plural society and the majority opinion is not only vehemently against the Taliban's extremist ideology but also staunchly opposes any role for the outsiders to covertly dictate peace.

Mr. Karzai shared his thinking apropos the upcoming jirga with Dr. Singh and it appears that there are no serious contradictions between the two sides. Significantly, Mr. Karzai made it a point to underline “our common struggle against terrorism and extremism.” The joint statement also underlined the two countries' “determination…to combat the forces of terrorism which pose a particular threat to the region.”

There has been a latent sense of uneasiness among sections of the Indian strategic community that Mr. Karzai appeared to be in a mood to “compromise” or “appease” the Taliban in a self-seeking manner in anticipation of a U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. Much of this misperception stemmed from the western propaganda — often pre-cooked in the ISI's kitchen — intended to dissimulate or to create an impression that Mr. Karzai is raring to go to accommodate the Taliban leadership and if anything at all is holding him back, it is only Mr. Obama's scepticism about the reconciliation strategy.

Delhi seems to understand well enough that what is unfolding is rather a grim struggle for the control of the Afghan peace process itself. Unsurprisingly, Mr. Karzai insists on his prerogative as the elected head of state to lead his country's peace process. On the contrary, Pakistani military would like to cast Mr. Karzai as merely one of the Afghan protagonists. Ostensibly, the Pakistani military wishes to work exclusively with the U.S. to reconcile the Taliban but in reality it wishes to seize control of the peace process or to dominate it, while extracting concessions from Washington in the form of military and economic aid. The Pakistani military banks on exploiting Mr.Obama's haste to effect a drawdown of the U.S. combat troops by mid-2011.

The ISI has not only shed its “strategic ambiguity” regarding its nexus with the Taliban but of late openly flaunts its influence with the hardline “Quetta Shura” and the Haqqani network, making it clear that Rawalpindi is capable of torpedoing any peace process which is left to the Afghans. Ironically, this nexus with elements expressly banned by the United Nations (at the instance of the George W. Bush administration) ought to make Pakistan a rogue state but the U.S. has been pragmatic about it and instead chooses to solicit the Pakistani military's help. An added factor is that influential figures within Mr. Obama's AfPak team who are vestiges of the Afghan jihad, enjoy old links with the Pakistani security establishment and willingly subserve the ISI's agenda pitting Mr. Karzai as the “problem” in any national reconciliation process.

Curiously, this political theatre is unfolding against a backdrop where “almost all Afghans, including Karzai's Pashtun supporters, the non-Pashtun Northern Alliance and even the Taliban oppose any major role for the ISI,” to quote Ahmed Rashid, a Pakistani commentator, in a recent article in the Washington Post. ......
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Captured Leader Offers Insight Into the Taliban

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/06/world ... radar.html
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Al Guardian is spewing usual nonsense

India and Pakistan's proxy war puts Afghanistan exit at risk
The machinations of two old foes grow in intensity as they seek to fill the power vacuum left by Nato's pullout
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Brad Goodman wrote:Al Guardian is spewing usual nonsense

India and Pakistan's proxy war puts Afghanistan exit at risk
The machinations of two old foes grow in intensity as they seek to fill the power vacuum left by Nato's pullout
abhishek_sharma wrote:Captured Leader Offers Insight Into the Taliban

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/06/world ... radar.html
India is up against this colonial/racist intertia. Anything India does is viewed through the prism of India-TSP fist fight. I mean, AfPak is a clear case where western and Indian interests ought to be naturally alinged, but those western blinkers remain. Even if at an abstract level, there a "proxy war" between India & TSP, why is there any moral equivalence between TSP's approach and India's approach to gaining a foothold in Afganisthan. I thought the west was a fighting a war on terror?
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Brad Goodman wrote:Al Guardian is spewing usual nonsense

India and Pakistan's proxy war puts Afghanistan exit at risk
The machinations of two old foes grow in intensity as they seek to fill the power vacuum left by Nato's pullout
There is a consistant theme to connect India to the solution of AfPak and also keep India in the news regarding solution to AfPak.

After 911 India was not involved in any operation and ground troops.
Now we have India as one of the reason for problems in afPak pullout
"Neighbouring states are already considering the Americans as good as gone and are preparing for an endgame scenario with old rivalries renewed," Rashid said. "If no solution is found to reconcile Pakistani and Indian interests [in Afghanistan], the coming months might see stepped-up terrorist attacks against Indians in Kabul and the return of militants infiltrating Indian Kashmir."
Pakistan state policy is already announced even before the Americans are out of the region.
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http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... ks_on_coin
Exum is being polite here: Ambassador Eikenberry and General McChrystal are at odds, and one of them should go. I fault the Obama Administration for not doing something to sort this out. Exum also basically says Holbrooke should butt out: "Trying to forge a working relationship with President Karzai from Washington, as Amb. Richard Holbrooke has attempted to do, is difficult if not impossible." (Tom: I am guessing that Holbrooke will move on by Labor Day.)
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 121270.ece

Obama gives dressing down to Gen. Petraeus....this is the brave soldier they berated as 'Betray-us' in full page ads taken out in NYT/WP etc...before the elections...how do they expect him to have any respect at all for them?
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That is Andrew "Abu Muqawama" Exum's point of departure in his new essay on the need for a political strategy in Afghanistan. Interestingly, for a COIN-carrying down-home CNASty, Exum begins with a hard pop at the Army's counterinsurgency manual, calling it politically naïve:

When United States wages counterinsurgency campaigns, it almost always does so as a third party acting on behalf of a host nation. And implicit in the manu­al's assumptions is the idea that U.S. interests will be aligned with those of the host nation.

They almost never are, though.
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