Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

[Sri]

Mushahid Hussain on Mushy

Great show... Mushahid Hussain takes explains step by step (with dates and everything) how Musharraff was 'let go'.

[anupmisra]

Speaking of guns, found a paki forum for guns n hunting..
link

From the link above:

Our Vision:

We propose a different system. We suggest that the law be amended to allow every citizen of Pakistan over the age of 21 the right to buy at least two weapons without the need of getting a license made.

The paki-mard blood-letting cycle is thus made complete.

[anupmisra]

Only in pa'astan

Bank personnel kidnap, torture debtor

The personnel of a bank kidnapped a debtor and tortured him, and Geo TV team was attacked and its camera was snatched when it reached the spot for coverage.

[anupmisra]

Farmers rally against Indian water aggression

The Muttahida Kissan Mahaz and the Pakistan Water Movement staged a peaceful protest rally on the Pak-India border against the Indian “water aggression” on Sunday

They chanted slogans against India and vowed to wage war on it Peaceful rally indeed!

They charged that India was trying to turn Pakistan into a Somalia

And, all this while, Somalia was trying very hard to turn itself into another pa'astan.

[anupmisra]

No light at the end of the tunnel

Two smokers share one cigarette of a renowned brand.

Clean-shaven young men think of growing a beard because shaving cream prices have been raised by 50 per cent. Face-washing soaps have already climbed almost the same height. But for fear of arrest as ‘suspect terrorists’ or ‘extremists’ the young men cancel the idea of supporting a long or short beard.

Isn’t it better to ... pray to God to make Pakistan a social welfare state?

[anupmisra]

No merrymaking, please! We are pakis

10 merrymakers held

POLICE arrested 10 women and men from a hotel in the area of Mazang on charge of merrymaking on Sunday. Police raided the hotel following information and arrested the accused, including Sana, Mehwish, Jamila, Afzal, Rana Shujaat, Hassan Raza Naqvi, Abid Bashir, Javed Masseh. Drugs and some bottles of liquor were also seized from them. Sources said police allegedly released a couple after receiving a bribe from them.

[anupmisra]

JI Threatens the US
Not sure what the threat is. Are the bearded morons threatening to turn the territory of pa'astan into a graveyard? Maybe, its just bad copy-editing.

JAMAAT-E-ISLAMI Secretary General Liaquat Baloch said that if the US dared to attack Pakistan, this country would prove its graveyard.

He said the tribal people were the sword arm of this country and loyal to this Islamic state. With the end of the military operation, these very tribal people would foil nefarious designs of the US, he said.

He said the US-India-Israel trio in Afghanistan was involved in the terrorist activities in this country and India’s involvement in Balochistan was no more a secret.

[shiv]

Folks,

Continuing on the Shiv's and Jaspreet's dicussion on firearms, is there any way we could glean out information on the number of purelanders who have been shaheedized since say Zia's time. To quantify this problem that Shiv discussed, we need to get those numbers.Imagine a plot of year vs count. That would be of much Psy-ops value.

Well here is a post I made on a Paki forum but it did not see the light of day
It turns out that Pakistan does have gun laws. I was wondering if such a thing existed. It is THE PAKISTAN ARMS ORDINANCE, 1965
http://www.pap.gov.pk/uploads/acts/190.html

Here are some interesting figures. Who knows if they are accurate:

http://www.ryerson.ca/SAFER-Net/regions ... _AT03.html

Quote:
Percentage of Households with Firearms: The statistics here have not been calculated for the country as a whole, but analysts have estimated that in the province of Baluchistan there is at least one automatic rifle per family household. (7)
Estimated Number of Firearms: According to recent figures from Pakistan’s Ministry of the Interior, there are around 7 million licenced firearms owners. (11) The number of illegal firearms is not known, but a 1998 estimate placed the number at 18 million. (5) 100,000 weapons can be found in the city of Karachi alone, while the frontier provinces contain over a million. (7)
Types of Legal Firearms: Not known
Purposes of Legal Firearms Ownership: Not known
FIREARM DEATH, INJURY AND CRIME
The huge number of weapons in Pakistan has fueled sectarian and regional violence. Pre-existing antagonisms have become sharpened with gun violence, and there is a distinct crisis of law and order, especially in the frontier regions. In the southern city of Karachi, the death toll is annually over 1,000. It is estimated that between 1992 and 1998 the city lost 18,000 to 20,000 residents to gun violence. (7) It is estimated that in the past 20 years 500,000 people have died in gun violence across the country. (8) A BBC correspondent once noted that the ongoing feuds in Pakistan were so complex and dangerous that the authorities could do little but “go round collecting bodies”. (7)

TYPES/SOURCES OF FIREARMS WHICH ARE MISUSED
Between 1979 and 1989 the US channeled $2 billion in arms aid to Afghanistan through Pakistan. During the height of the crisis, roughly 50 to 60 trucks of US weapons crossed Pakistan’s borders each day. Pakistan diverted an estimated 70% of these weapons. Pakistan has thus become a significant source for black-market and covert weapons deals in South Asia. Pakistan also has many military training camps which are also a source of arms. (5)
There is also a thriving illegal arms production industry in Pakistan, centred in the region of Darra Adam Khel. (See “Manufacture, Import and Export” for more details.) During the Afghan-Soviet conflict and in subsequent violence outbreaks in the region, Darra manufacturers saw a healthy profit to be made from the sale of arms to various militant, insurgent groups in Sri Lanka, East Punjab and Kashmir. Thus a complex production and supply network was established in the region. (6)
State stockpiles are not subject to many thefts, since the black market in small arms is so strong and weapons are easily available. Also, government corruption and a lack of centralized authority in tribal areas and border regions combine to make smuggling an easy occupation. (6)

DOMESTIC FIREARM LEGISLATION
Currently there are laws in Pakistan regulating the sale, transport , import, export and bearing of arms and ammunition, but these laws largely go unenforced. (6)
In February 2000, the military government led by General Musharraf announced its intention to launch a campaign to “de-weaponize” Pakistan. Progress has been made in most areas but not in the reduction of illegal manufacturing industries or in the imposition of a quota system on weapons production. (4) As of July 2001, only 86,700 weapons had been collected from an estimated 20 million in circulation, and only 3,412 of these were the infamous and easily available AK-47 assault rifles. (8) Further raids pushed the total to over 100,000 in August of 2001. (9) A total of 210,000 weapons were seized over the 18 month period. (10)


If Pakistan has about 25 million firearms in private hands and a population of 160 million. 80 million are women. Probably 20 million of the remaining 80 million men are too old or too young. And that gives about one firearm for every 3 Pakistani males.

Lots of guns about. And lots of grievances. Gosh. The problem is worse that I had imagined, but my viewpoint has been blinkered and restricted to an India - Pakistan context. For the first time I am looking at Pakistan versus Pakistan.

The Pakistan army, with a paltry 650,000 men in arms will never manage to disarm Pakistanis even if the intent was there. They are themselves a drop in the ocean. No wonder Pakistan is described as dangerous place.

Even a secular Pakistan with no religious strife would be dangerous. The religion bit is only an extra loop in the noose around Pakistan's neck.

[A_Gupta]

Qadiyanism Defeated in the Parliament: Complete account of the proceedings of National Assembly regarding declaration of Qadiyanis as Non-Muslims.

http://www.khatm-e-nubuwwat.org/lawyers ... iament.pdf

It is a long document, but please see page 27, the Exchange between Attorney general and Mirza Nasir

Some of it seems incoherent.

PS: One of the interesting things

There is one more reference of Mirza Sahib, “God has been gradually softening the intensity of Jihad, that is the fighting for religion. In the time of Moses there was so much compulsion that even believing would not save one from getting killed, the suckling children were also slain. Then in the time of our Holy Prophet, the killing of the children, the old, and the women was prohibited, and then in the time of the Promised Christ Jihad was suspended (Arbaeen Number. 4”, margin of page 15, written in “Roohani Khazain” page 443, Volume 17)

[ramana]

frm Reggie Sinha

As India - U.S. start the Strategic Dialogue, time to revisit the 9/11 tagline here . As an American, let me remind the Indians...We have compulsions in always protecting Pakistan, no matter how vicious they are to you! We did that thirty years ago, we did that last year with the KL bill. You want to change that? Bring in a game-changer; something far more exciting than what Pakistan offers.

An interesting nugget dated December 26, 1979: Memo to President Carter Gives Pakistan Green Light to Pursue Nuclear Weapons Program

National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski writes a memo to President Jimmy Carter about the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, which has just begun (see December 8, 1979). Brzezinski focuses on fears that success in Afghanistan could give the Soviets access to the Indian Ocean, even though Afghanistan is a landlocked country. He suggests the US should continue aid to the Afghan mujaheddin, which actually began before the war and spurred the Soviets to invade (see 1978 and July 3, 1979). He says, “This means more money as well as arms shipments to the rebels and some technical advice.” He does not give any warning that such aid will strengthen Islamic fundamentalism. He also concludes, “[W]e must both reassure Pakistan and encourage it to help the rebels. This will require a review of our policy toward Pakistan, more guarantees to it, more arms aid, and alas, a decision that our security problem toward Pakistan cannot be dictated by our nonproliferation policy.” Carter apparently accepts Brzezinski’s advice.

Given how close Faizal Shahzad came to igniting New York, it might be perhaps instructive to inquire from Brzezinski what a few "stirred up Moslems" are capable of doing? On second thoughts, scratch that! He might actually want U.S. to increase funding to Pakistan.

[chaanakya]

Friend or foe?

It's enough to make one’s heart sink . “The US military is reviewing options for a unilateral strike in Pakistan in the event that a successful attack on American soil is traced to the country’s tribal areas, according to senior military officials,” says a report in The Washington Post. The writer is Greg Miller, one of the Post’s best reporters and considered to have matchless sources in American intelligence and national security circles. America is clearly trying to send a message to Pakistan and the subtext is no longer just ‘do more’: it’s ‘do more, or else’.

The questions here are endless. If there is an attack on American soil and it is traced back to Pakistan, would it not also indicate a failure of American security and intelligence circles?

If zero tolerance is the game, should American officials also not be in the firing line, metaphorically speaking of course, in the event that the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the Department of Homeland Security, the Director of National Intelligence, etc., all fail to prevent an attack? With these deliberate leaks to the press, is the American security establishment not flirting with danger domestically? The American public is being primed to demand some action against Pakistan in the event of a terrorist strike. If the trend continues, it will be more difficult for American politicians to resist launching strikes inside Pakistan even if they judge that there is no need — the demands of a public trained to see Pakistan as the problem may be too great at that point.

What are the long-term gains versus the costs of such a strike? Could the US realistically launch strikes inside Pakistan without expecting a severe backlash here, from the security establishment, the public, the politicians and the non-state actors? It would be absurd for America to try and position itself as a friend and well-wisher of Pakistan if it were at the same time launching unilateral strikes inside this country (whatever the official line, the drone strikes are not considered ‘unilateral’ by either side). And what message does this send to other countries? Could India argue it has a similar ‘right’ to launch attacks inside Pakistan? Before continuing down this road, American officials need to pause and think harder about the ramifications.

I think we should encourage PK to be more adventurous inside unkil land. Afterall unkil has committed so much atrocities against PK and Islam that any amount of money is not going to wash their sins. Of course , IN would pledge not to threaten PK ( Kansa) till 100 abuses are over. Then its play time.

[ArmenT]

In February 2000, the military government led by General Musharraf announced its intention to launch a campaign to “de-weaponize” Pakistan. Progress has been made in most areas but not in the reduction of illegal manufacturing industries or in the imposition of a quota system on weapons production. (4) As of July 2001, only 86,700 weapons had been collected from an estimated 20 million in circulation, and only 3,412 of these were the infamous and easily available AK-47 assault rifles. (8) Further raids pushed the total to over 100,000 in August of 2001. (9) A total of 210,000 weapons were seized over the 18 month period. (10)

Actually, the way I heard it, the law that Mushy was pushing was an amnesty law -- the idea was that if people handed over their weapons within a certain period, they would be paid some compensation and no questions would be asked.

Majority of the abduls who took advantage of this offer simply handed over their non-working weapons to the Pak Government and then used the compensation money to purchase new working weapons.

[NRao]

Friend or foe?

It's enough to make one’s heart sink . “The US military is reviewing options for a unilateral strike in Pakistan in the event that a successful attack on American soil is traced to the country’s tribal areas, according to senior military officials,” says a report in The Washington Post. The writer is Greg Miller, one of the Post’s best reporters and considered to have matchless sources in American intelligence and national security circles. America is clearly trying to send a message to Pakistan and the subtext is no longer just ‘do more’: it’s ‘do more, or else’.

The questions here are endless. If there is an attack on American soil and it is traced back to Pakistan, would it not also indicate a failure of American security and intelligence circles?

If zero tolerance is the game, should American officials also not be in the firing line, metaphorically speaking of course, in the event that the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the Department of Homeland Security, the Director of National Intelligence, etc., all fail to prevent an attack? With these deliberate leaks to the press, is the American security establishment not flirting with danger domestically? The American public is being primed to demand some action against Pakistan in the event of a terrorist strike. If the trend continues, it will be more difficult for American politicians to resist launching strikes inside Pakistan even if they judge that there is no need — the demands of a public trained to see Pakistan as the problem may be too great at that point.

What are the long-term gains versus the costs of such a strike? Could the US realistically launch strikes inside Pakistan without expecting a severe backlash here, from the security establishment, the public, the politicians and the non-state actors? It would be absurd for America to try and position itself as a friend and well-wisher of Pakistan if it were at the same time launching unilateral strikes inside this country (whatever the official line, the drone strikes are not considered ‘unilateral’ by either side). And what message does this send to other countries? Could India argue it has a similar ‘right’ to launch attacks inside Pakistan? Before continuing down this road, American officials need to pause and think harder about the ramifications.

I think we should encourage PK to be more adventurous inside unkil land. Afterall unkil has committed so much atrocities against PK and Islam that any amount of money is not going to wash their sins. Of course , IN would pledge not to threaten PK ( Kansa) till 100 abuses are over. Then its play time.

I am reminded of the physics professor who started his talk about atmosphere on earth and then went on to relate it to upper atmosphere, then to space and at the end of the class he was talking about the atmosphere on the moon.

MUST have been a Pakistani professor (at MIT I bet)!!!

THE problem is that Pakistan THINKS they are the center of the universe and all else revolves around them. In a way they are right - they are the center of the universe WRT yahoo, Jiadhi, Islamic terrorists. The last part is what escapes them, which makes life difficult or interesting for the rest of us.

It is very, very difficult for them to realize that IF they get rid of these yahoos then the problem is all solved.

But ......................... thanks to reincarnation we will have to wait for a loooooooong time for that to happen.

However, I do LIKE the way all this is panning out.

[Gerard]

U.S. offered $5 billion for refraining from nuclear tests: Nawaz Sharif

“I told him (Clinton) that we are not among those people who are sold for a few dollars, not now and in future too.

[pgbhat]

really?!!
Malik hints at army action in south Punjab

The minister was talking to the local C-42 TV channel where he had gone to offer condolences over the death of its technician who was covering the Friday’s terror attack on an Ahmadi place of worship in Garhi Shahu.

“There will be an operation in south Punjab on the pattern of tribal areas,” the channel quoted the minister as saying.

Mr Malik told journalists that 726 of the 1,764 members of banned organisations like Lakhkar-i-Jhangvi and Jaish-i-Mohammad belonged to south Punjab. The region, he said, also had about 44 per cent of the country’s religious seminaries.

“I am not here to confront the Punjab government (on the south Punjab issue) but want to seek its cooperation to fight terrorists jointly,” he said. But, he made it clear that the monitoring of the members of these organisations (in south Punjab) was necessary.

“The militants in south Punjab had also established links in Balochistan and had tried to trigger clashes between Deobandis and Barelvis in Karachi before attacking Ahmadis in Lahore,” the minister said.

He said that members of banned groups like LJ and JM from Punjab had gone to the tribal areas and received training there.

“They then came back to Punjab and became part of sleeper cells. The militants who were hiding in south Punjab are now surfacing. I have been saying for the last one year that these people (Lashkar-i-Jhangvi, Sipah-i-Sahaba and Jaish-i-Mohammed) are enemies of the country and are part of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and Al Qaeda,” he said, adding that the banned organisations like JM, LJ and SSP had also joined hands with the Taliban and Al Qaeda to destabilise the country.

really?

[shravan]

Gunmen storm Jinnah Hospital, 8 dead

LAHORE: At least eight people died when armed persons stormed the emergency ward of Jinnah Hospital here, Medical Superintendent said Monday.

According to Geo correspondent, two gunmen entered the emergency ward and opened fire at the injured of Model Town and Garhi Shahi attacks.

According to Geo, three to four guards and attendants are among the dead.

The firing is still underway while police have surrounded the hospital.

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Twitter
Express 24/7 is reporting that the terrorists have taken patients hostage inside the ER.

[pgbhat]

^Injured Ahmediyyas were being treated there.

[shravan]

^Injured Ahmediyyas were being treated there.

They have come to kill/save the Terrorist who was caught alive on Friday.

[ramana]

Dated book review


Ashok Kapur, "Pakistan in Crisis"

Publisher: Routledge | 1991 | ISBN 0415000629 |

With these questions in mind Professor Kapur charts the continuous power struggles of Pakistan's ruling elites. Using a historical and comparative approach he shows how the search for democracy and national identity has been hindered by army intervention, political intrigue and the failure of Islam to unite the various ethnic factions. While pessimistic about the chances for democracy in Pakistan, he hopes that the democratic pluralism and broad-based political activity emerging in much of Eastern Europe and the Third World will inspire ordinary Pakistanis to transform their country into a nation, in spirit as well as in name.

[NRao]

Malik hints at army action in south Punjab

Getting closer and closer to THE Kapital!!!

Time for a war with India now.

[Chinmayanand]

Was just watching " Inside 9/11 " on National Geographic. Seemed like a well made documentary. They even showed the KSA royal family drinking whiskey. The documentary started with the jehad in Afghanistan against the "Occupying" Soviet Forces.It showed so many things i can't remember in order. To me what was new was 9/11 was planned by Ramji Yusuf , a pakistani who loved Armani suits and flew First Class. No mention of any role of ISI and TSPA. His friend was caught in Phillipnes and thereafter , Yusuf was caught in Islamabad.After he was caught, his uncle, SHEikh KHalid Mohammed , carried on with the plans. From the laptop caught in Phillipines , FBI had knowledge of all the targets that were hit on that day , that too , in 1995 IIRC . FBI knew about 9/11 six years before it happened and still it happened. What was interesting was Pope II was also on the hitlist of Yusuf. Lahore via Kuwait , i feel Amirkhans are shit scared of pakis and all this dollar aid and military aid is nothing more than zaziya tax , US is paying for not being attacked.

US dig a grave for the "Occupying" Soviet Forces and i see the "Liberating" NATO forces falling in that. What an irony !!! The Lord works in mysterious ways.

[Gerard]

Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

B: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.

[Carl_T]

i feel Amirkhans are shit scared of pakis and all this dollar aid and military aid is nothing more than zaziya tax , US is paying for not being attacked.

Exactly....

[vera_k]

If Pakistan has about 25 million firearms in private hands and a population of 160 million. 80 million are women. Probably 20 million of the remaining 80 million men are too old or too young. And that gives about one firearm for every 3 Pakistani males.

Lots of guns about. And lots of grievances.

It's unclear that the number of guns in private hands implies anything by itself. Pakistan's sponsor has lots more guns with the citizenry.

[shynee]

Pakistan, US agree on Waziristan operation

He had said earlier that Gen Kayani had promised to launch an operation in North Waziristan and he trusted him because the Pakistani general had always done what he said he would do.

[svinayak]

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i feel Amirkhans are shit scared of pakis and all this dollar aid and military aid is nothing more than zaziya tax , US is paying for not being attacked.

Americans are shit scared of many things. The Paki capability and their threat to attack anywhere and also lunch first strike on India is giving them real hard trouble. Even though they may have covered 80% of tracking the reamining 10% strategic assets and capability is the real problem

[A_Gupta]

Geo TV reports:
http://www.geo.tv/6-1-2010/65946.htm

LAHORE: Defying the early reports reached here regarding the death toll amounted at 12 persons when unidentified gunmen stormed Jinnah Hospital, the Inspector General Punjab police said a total of five persons lost their lives including a woman and three policemen while three other sustained injuries, Geo news reported.

Tariq Saleem Dogar said four terrorists were in guise of police officials wearing police uniform but they could not succeeded in either killing their associate or abducting the same in attack.

Talking to media, after the situation had been totally brought under control, IG Punjab Dogar said our homeland is currently in state of war against terrorism.

He regretted the escape of gunmen from hospital but lauded police efforts in confronting them and in making their attack futile.

As many as three police personnel martyred while another three sustained wounds during attack, he added.

[Anujan]

Pakistan, US agree on Waziristan operation
He had said earlier that Gen Kayani had promised to launch an operation in North Waziristan and he trusted him because the Pakistani general had always done what he said he would do.

Isnt that the upcoming operation, where it would be announced that they are going to attack Mir Ali, let the Talibs escape, flatten a few houses, create a IDP tent slum, declare great victory and beg for money plan? They are *only* going to attack and "capture" Mir Ali

[Anujan]

Al-Qaida's third in command reportedly killed

Al-Qaida's number three — a co-founder of the terror network and Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law — has been killed in Pakistan's border area with Afghanistan

[chilarai]

Al-Qaida's third in command reportedly killed

Al-Qaida's number three — a co-founder of the terror network and Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law — has been killed in Pakistan's border area with Afghanistan

This should be added to the list
The world's most dangerous job just became more so !

best explanation i got from web is

Yet another possibility is that al-Qaida's management hierarchy is ludicrously top-heavy, and that "No. 3" is a position held simultaneously by many people who in a similarly top-heavy corporation would be labeled "vice president."

[abhishek_sharma]

Missile Strike Said to Kill Al Qaeda’s Operational Chief

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/world ... qaeda.html

[Singha]

- the annual white shoe club ritual - "kill the #3 then go play golf in dumbarton oaks"

WSJ

Al Qaeda's Third-in-Command Killed

By SIOBHAN GORMAN

WASHINGTON—Al Qaeda's third-in-command, who played a key role in a recently foiled terrorist plot against the U.S., is believed to have been killed by a U.S. drone strike in Pakistan's tribal areas recent weeks, dealing a significant blow to the terrorist network.

Sheik Sa'id al-Masri, al Qaeda's chief operating officer, was killed about a week ago, a U.S. official said, adding "This is the main person who everyone has been looking for."

He is believed to have been the main Qaeda official who was behind the plot of Najibullah Zazi, who plead guilty earlier this year to planning to blow up the New York subway, said Bruce Hoffman, a Georgetown University professor who writes extensively on al Qaeda.

Mr. Masri was targeted based on U.S. intelligence tips, and officials had been working to confirm his death when al Qaeda posted a eulogy to him on militant websites on Tuesday, two officials said.

"Word is spreading in extremist circles" of Mr. Masri's death, said a U.S. official. "We have strong reason to believe that's true, and that al-Masri was killed recently in Pakistan's tribal areas. In terms of counterterrorism, this would be a big victory."

Mr. Masri is the highest profile al Qaeda leader to have been killed in at least a year and a half, making him the most important al Qaeda militant killed during the Obama administration.

He is the group's main conduit to al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden and his second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri. In addition to honchoing operations, Mr. Masri also had a hand in the group's finances and operational planning in Afghanistan and other international targets.

His death is "a major blow to al Qaeda," said Mr. Hoffman. "He was an emerging star in al Qaeda's firmament and his death will be a grave setback to the organization."

U.S. officials heralded the killing of Mr. Masri as a major counterterrorism victory.

"He was key to al-Qaeda's command and control," said a U.S. official. Mr. Masri's death follows those of the group's internal and external operations chiefs in December.

Mr. Masri's death, the official added, shows that Pakistan's tribal areas aren't the safe haven al Qaeda and other militants have believed it to be.

Still, Mr. Hoffman said, al Qaeda has quickly fielded new third-in-commands in the past. Being al Qaeda's No. 3 is an unlucky post, because that person seems to get killed more frequently than many.

"At least five or six previous al Qaeda 'No. 3s' have been killed and captured in the past eight years," Mr. Hoffman said. "It may be that we are finally depleting its hitherto deep bench of operatives. It is likely though, based on past experience, that a successor is already waiting in the wings."

[Singha]

Still, Mr. Hoffman said, al Qaeda has quickly fielded new third-in-commands in the past.

[Prem]

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... p-call-160

This is apropos of the article “Culture of intolerance” (May 30) regarding the brutal assault on the Ahmadis on Friday. I see eye to eye with the views supporting the view that we are in an extreme state of cultural intolerance. However, the fact that Ahmadi attacks were not even condemned by the major parties because they were not Muslims is strongly unpleasant. This truly weakens our solidarity. India came into existence with Pakistan but Muslims were far more respected in their country than ours. A non-Hindu like Dr Manmohan Singh, a Sikh, has proved of such pluralism in India; so has the former President of India Abdul Kalam Azad. Why have we failed to eliminate discrimination?The Constitution of Pakistan says that no non-Muslim is eligible to be premier or President of Pakistan. Don’t they belong to our country and there is no apparent reason for their ineligibility. Members of the parliament must make another amendment regarding the aforementioned matter. As the Quadpides said that the people were free to go to their mosques or temples or any other place of worship as it had nothing to do with the business of the state.
We must fulfil the dreams of the father of our nation by giving special rights to the non-Muslims and stop such discrimination because due to the discrimination two world wars were fought.

A MUSLIM ( Bhai Sahib, the value of kaphir in islamic land is that of equal to cattle and Ahmadi committted worst crime to pretend like muslims hence wajibul Qital)
Via email

[Prem]

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=242373
The tide of bigotry
Za Phir Hila ley

When the police did finally arrive, some policemen had pistols in hand; and when asked how pistols could be of any use in such a situation, replied that only pistols were available as their G3 rifles were faulty. No wonder the Taliban appear fearless. One of them actually pranced about on the minaret, giving cockeyed police marksmen the opportunity to bring him down, which, of course, they failed to do. The single uninjured captured terrorist was overpowered by the public, which handed him over to the police.
If the police could not prevent the attack, or end it, or capture the sole terrorist arrested, or prevent the reported escape of two terrorists, then what precisely did they do?

The deputy commissioner of Lahore informed the nation, moments after the attack had ended, that India was responsible. And the reason? Because the attacks coincided with Nawaz Sharif's decision, exactly 11 years ago, to test Pakistan's nuclear weapons. Imagination and fiction make up three-quarters of the average Pakistani's life. However, in the case of the DC of Lahore, they clearly make up all of his. With such bright sparks around him, it is no wonder that Shahbaz Sharif's administration is floundering.
Had the failure of the Lahore authorities to respond occurred in a country where self-respecting politicians were at the helm, there would have been hell to pay. In Japan a number of those responsible would have committed suicide. In South Korea, a former president jumped over a cliff on account of the shame that his wife's corruption had earned the family. There would have been resignations galore. ( But Pakisatan is the citadel of islam, land of pure, while Japan and Korea are Kuffar country, must inferior in moral and ethics per your dogma )Just as in India, according to Mrs Indira Ghandi, "there exists no politician daring enough to attempt to explain to the masses that cows can be eaten," so too in Pakistan none are about who will declare the extremists and their fellow travellers--now visible in every sphere of human activity, and particularly so in Punjab--as enemies of God, because the Prophet (PBUH) demanded the protection of those who practiced other religions. What ZA Bhutto and Musharraf promised turned out to be false dawns.

[arun]

Ut sementem feceris ita metes.

Major deadly violence in Pakistan in 2010:

May 28: More than 95 people were killed and 108 others were injured as gunmen armed with hand grenades and suicide jackets stormed into two Ahmadi mosques in the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore during Friday prayers. The two attacks were carried out nearly simultaneously, at Garhi Shahu and Lahore Model Town, 15 km apart. Militants' groups identified themselves as Al-Qaeda Al- Jihad and Tehrek-e-Taliban Pakistan-Punjab. One attacker was killed, another suicide bomber was captured by worshippers.

April 19: At least 23 people were killed and more than 40 others were wounded after two bomb attacks hit the northwest Pakistani city of Peshawar. The first attack occurred when a bomb exploded outside a school run by a police welfare foundation, killing one person and injuring another 10. The second attack involved a suicide bomber who had targeted a political rally near crowded market area.

April 17: At least 41 people were killed and more than 50 others injured after two suicide bombers attacked an Internally Displaced Persons(IDPs) camp in northwest Pakistan's Kohat city.

April 16: At least 10 people were killed and another 35 were injured after a suicide bomb attack took place at a hospital, in the southwest Pakistani city of Quetta. A TV cameraman, as well as two police officers were among the dead in the attack.

April 5: At least 49 people were killed and more than 50 others were wounded after a suicide bomber attacked a political party rally in the Lower Dir district, bordering tribal areas in Pakistan. Minutes after the blast unknown militants attacked the U. S. consulate in the city of Peshawar. It has been reported that at least seven people were killed in the attack in Peshawar.

March 13: A suicide blast near the city of Mingora, northwest Pakistan's Swat Valley, left 10 people killed and 37 others injured.

March 12: Two suicide bomb attacks in Lahore resulted in the deaths of at least 45 people and wounded 100 others. Both of these bomb attacks reportedly targeted military vehicles as they were passing through a crowded area.

March 8: A suicide bomb attack killed at least 13 people in Pakistan's eastern city of Lahore, provincial capital of Punjab, and wounded more than 60 others. The bomber reportedly rammed his explosive-laden vehicle into a building that housed an anti- terrorist wing of the federal investigative agency.

March 5: 12 people were killed and another 25 were injured in the Hangu district of northwest Pakistan when a suicide bomber targeted a convoy of vehicles traveling from the Hangu district to the Kurram region.

Feb. 18: A bomb attack in crowded a market resulted in the deaths of at least 15 people and wounded more than 100 others in Pakistan's Tirah valley of the Khyber tribal region.

Feb. 11: Two bomb explosions in Bannu district in the northwest, near a police compound, left at least 12 people killed and another 20 injured.

Feb. 5: At least 13 were killed and 50 injured in a blast in a mini bus near Nursery Road in Karachi. After two hours the second planted bomb blasted at motorcycle stand emergency gate of government Jinnah hospital killing 10 and injuring dozens others including rescuers.

Feb. 3: At least 10 people were killed, including three U.S. soldiers, when a bomb blast hit a convoy near a school in the northwest region of Pakistan. Three schoolgirls were also among the dead and it is believed that this blast injured up to another 70 people within the area.

Jan. 30: A suspected suicide bomber killed at least 16 people and wounded 20 others, when he attacked a checkpoint in the northwestern Pakistani town of Khar, headquarters of Bajaur tribal region.

Jan. 1: At least 105 people were killed and dozens of others injured when a suicide bomber blew up his vehicle in a crowd watching a volleyball game in the southern district of Lakki Marwat in the northwestern part of Pakistan.

Xinhua

[shynee]

Killing fields

Once again I have fallen on the thorns of the killing fields of Pakistan. I am bleeding. This time over 80 Ahmedis were killed in two attacks on their places of worship in Lahore. Sorry, the law forbids me to call their worship places ‘mosques’ and the killed namazis. Such are the laws of the land of the pure, although they are in violation of the basic principle of the constitution that grants equal rights to the people and freedom of expression. And these laws conflict with the UN Charter of Human Rights.

I think that brings us to the most crucial question: why? Yes, why one Muslim sect considers other Muslim sects apostate and thus liable to death? Why have they the right to decide who is Muslim and who is not? Why human life has lost its value? Why so many people tend to believe that it is the work of a foreign hand or the agencies? Why are we shy to face the reality that even many people sitting in our parliament and the judiciary are bigots? Why so many people are willing to blow themselves up?

[Muppalla]

Militants storm hospital in Lahore, 4 killed

A group of militants disguised as policemen stormed a hospital in Lahore late on Monday night, in an apparent bid to free a terrorist captured in an injured condition during the twin mosque attack last week, killing at least four persons and injuring five others.

The toll is increasing - per Zee news the latest score is 12 now.

[Prem]

IMHO,
Pakis are just reliving the Sultnate period and its Islamic glory and its true face . If there was no Pakistan , we would have to invent it.

[abhijitm]

and the guerillas managed to escape!!
12 dead in Lahore hospital attack

adding that he suspected the terrorists were successful in taking their accomplice away.

On the other hand, The IGP told the reporters that the attackers wanted to kill or take away their accomplice, Muaaz. He, however, ruled out the possibility of any security lapse.

In the land of pures "God" always help the purest