Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2010

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 30 Jul 2010 20:34

SSridhar wrote:ISI Chief cancels UK visit to protest Cameron's India Speech

His wife's shopping can be done next month. No problem

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Jul 2010 20:40

Rangudu wrote:Has anyone seen this pic before?

R, Even Rajeev Srinivasan has this cartoon. Looks like BRF does have wide readership.

Wonder when it will make NYT!

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 30 Jul 2010 20:43

Mike Mullen interview on Paaki TV

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gty4ytqNPwY

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 30 Jul 2010 20:44

ramana,

It's good to get this type of stuff into outlets read mainly by Western types. Just see the comments

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 30 Jul 2010 20:45

Pak appeals world aid for flood damages

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Friday has appealed the international community to help the country to overcome the destruction caused by the rain and flood.

Pakistan has contacted the international donor agencies, United Nations and the friend countries. .. It has also said that Pakistan should immediately be helped to overcome the situation created after the rain and flood in different parts of the country.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Jul 2010 21:00

Rangudu wrote:ramana,

It's good to get this type of stuff into outlets read mainly by Western types. Just see the comments

Yes the picture is worth 92,000 wiki leaks. It sums up the situation so well. Note Bill Roggio's comments on being appraised of the antiquity of the picture.

biswas · Post by **biswas** » 30 Jul 2010 21:05

shravan wrote:Pak appeals world aid for flood damages

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Friday has appealed the international community to help the country to overcome the destruction caused by the rain and flood.

Pakistan has contacted the international donor agencies, United Nations and the friend countries. .. It has also said that Pakistan should immediately be helped to overcome the situation created after the rain and flood in different parts of the country.

I don't like laughing at the plight of hapless people in the face of calamity.

But this is so funny.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 30 Jul 2010 21:05

Majority of Pakistanis still consider India as a threat: Poll http://in.news.yahoo.com/48/20100730/12 ... nside.html

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 30 Jul 2010 21:26

Couple of thoughts from me post David Camron's remarks:

1) Is it only my total distrust of MMS and bias thereoff, but did others also notice that in the joint press conference with Cameron, he made the customary meek noises abot TSP taking on terror on its easterm border, "urging" TSP for talks, but conspicously missing is any talk of Mumbai. In other words, has MMS taken Mumbai off the table, a huge, a huge concession to TSP?

2) Usualy poodledum doesn't speak out of turn. So I thought following David Cameron, the big Cheese from DC will also pile it on to TSP. But on the contrary, state dept spokesman Crowley did the customary equal equal soothing TSP's H&D and happy that its LET bank balance won't be dented. So, even the dog bone thrown India's way: western big boys in concert acknowledging TSP sponsorship of LET terror against India seems to have only been a mirage.

3) A little bit about TSP's piskology and the hurt & pain David Cameron caused them. The arrogance and hatred of TSP towards India is truly mind boggling if only the WKK and other assorted RNI pukes care to see it. What TSP seems to be saying to US/UK is this: Look, we are fellow TFTA like you, we have sacrificed so much going after bad Taliban (there is a subterfuge here too because TSP is aiding the good Taliban, but thats another matter), and yet you insult us by spilling the beans that we go after SDREs. In other words, giving us a free hand in going after SDREs was a silent, latent agreement between us you, and now you are breaching that trust by kicking us on our b@lls (ouch) and taking us to task for pummeling the SDREs. If we take out LET, what leverage do we have on SDREs?

4) I won't be surprised if in the coming days, assortment of WKK and RNI lunatics also sing the TSP tune to show how egalitarian they, how sekooolar they are etc: castigating David Cameron for giving "hardliners" a boost and thereby putting a spanner in MMS's desire to make peace. The west should maintain its balance in "South asia" yada yada.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 30 Jul 2010 21:43

CRamS-ji, or the unthinkable has happened and that a modern british pm has actually dared to think independently of washington!?!?!

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 30 Jul 2010 21:45

Jumma has come and gone. Houris day off on Saturday

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 30 Jul 2010 21:46

Bakistan to world
" DE de Baba De de ..............flood relief ke naam pe Zodiac boats de de baba"

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Jul 2010 21:57

CRS, When you want to discuss MMS please do so in the other threads and not here. For example we have : Strategic Leadership, Indian interests, Indian Foreign Policy threads for starters. It takes away focus from the TSP if we continue to bringing India in this thread. Hope you understand.
Sama.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Jul 2010 22:08

amit wrote:
ramana wrote:amit, One last time to don't bring in India in the TSP thread. Please consider this as a caution. You can duck but it wont save you next time. If you want to talk about Indian there are many threads for that.
As you wish Ramana ji.

But I do hope this rule applies to everyone irrespective of whatever their POV is.

Amit, Yes it will be applied. One way you can help is to report those posts. BTW, hope you do understand we don't want to lose focus on TSP in this thread by bringing in India here.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings. As they say "tension math lena!"

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 30 Jul 2010 22:48

Rangudu wrote:Just see the comments

"Gamma" is moi.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 30 Jul 2010 22:53

Nandu wrote: "Gamma" is moi.

Good stuff

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 31 Jul 2010 00:13

Our language has let us down in talks with Pakistan - Satish Chandra

Apart from S M Krishna's [ Images ] performance in Islamabad [ Images ], a perusal of the statements made in recent weeks by the Indian side reveals an unfortunate lack of precision in the use of language, feels Satish Chandra, India's former deputy national security advisor and distinguished fellow, Vivekananda International Foundation.
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Some of the more striking of these errors, arising either out of inattention or from a desire to please others, are enumerated below:
# 'Nobody is questioning anyone's intentions. It is the outcome that will decide whether we are on the right track or not.' (P Chidambaram's [ Images ] remarks as reported in Dawn on June 27 at a press conference with his counterpart in Pakistan).

Comment: Such a statement is unwarranted as Pakistan's intentions are, in fact, the root of the problem and that it continues to date to use terror against us.
# 'There is no alternative to dialogue to resolve the issues that divide us.' (Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's [ Images ] interview with Saudi journalists on February 27 on India-Pakistan relations).

Comment: This is incorrect. There are many alternatives. In any case, making such an assertion only emboldens Pakistan in the continued use of terror against us.
# 'Pakistan is in many senses our closest neighbour.' (Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao's [ Images ] press conference in Islamabad on June 24).

Comment: This, too, is incorrect. There are several countries with which we have land borders and share equally close historical and cultural links. Moreover, such comments can be taken as a slight by our other neighbours.
# 'India cannot realise its full development potential unless we have the best possible relations with our neighbours and Pakistan happens to be the largest neighbour of ours.' (The PM's press conference on May 24).

Comment: This again is incorrect. China is our largest neighbour. It is, of course, true that India's full development potential is more easily achievable in a friendly environment than in an inimical one. But is it wise to make such assertions when Pakistan's sole mission is to weaken India?

Many Pakistani interlocutors have told me that Pakistan would never allow India to become a global player unless it met all of Pakistan's concerns. In so doing they did not care if Pakistan itself was seriously harmed.
# 'The destiny of our people is linked to each other. A strong, stable and prosperous Pakistan is in the interest of our whole region.' (The foreign secretary's speech organised by the Delhi [ Images ] Policy Group, June 13).

Comment: This is at best a half-truth. Countries do, of course, influence developments in their respective neighbours but this need not be an over-riding factor in the destiny of peoples in the affected country. This is evident from the differential developmental patterns in our own neighbourhood.

Moreover, such assertions serve only to encourage Pakistan in its intransigence vis a vis India.

It is also questionable if a strong, stable and prosperous Pakistan is in the interest of the region if it is inimically disposed towards India or any other country in the region.

In any case, should India be making such conciliatory statements at a time when Pakistan continues to aid and abet terrorism against us including inciting the recent violence in Jammu and Kashmir?.
# 'The argument put to us by Pakistan was that the executive does not have any control over the judicial process. We understand and respect that. Even in India, we cannot tell the courts what to do. And we have known that the judiciary in Pakistan has been fiercely independent in recent times.' (The external affairs minister's interview to The Tribune on May 20).

Comment: This is an instance of our foreign minister talking like the Pakistan foreign minister and making excuses for Pakistan's failure to bring to book the perpetrators of the Mumbai [ Images ] attack.

Instead of so doing, the national interest would have been better served by pointing out that failure on this score has occurred because the executive did not pursue the cases with due diligence and vigour.
# 'As I have said, in dealing with Pakistan our attitude has to be, trust but verify. So only time will tell which way the animal will turn.' (The PM's press conference on board Air India [ Images ] One on June 28).

Comment: Normally, this is an unexceptionable assertion. But surely, the history of the last 60 years should have given us enough opportunity to 'verify' and to reveal that on every occasion our trust has been betrayed.
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It is likely that the prime minister's soft approach to Pakistan coupled with his desire to please the United States have dictated the statements cited above and the resumption of the India-Pakistan dialogue, the results of which are there for all to see.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Jul 2010 00:25

I guess whining is in the press itself!

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 31 Jul 2010 00:37

SSridhar wrote:ISI Chief cancels UK visit to protest Cameron's India Speech

Most likely afraid of being arrested there...

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 31 Jul 2010 00:50

400 Killed in Flooding in Pakistan, Officials Say
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/31/world ... .html?_r=1

“This is the worst ever calamity in our history,” Mr. Hussain said at a news conference. “Whatever that had survived terrorist bombings have been washed away by the floods.” He added: “We need help and we need it now. Otherwise, we will have no other option to spend every penny that we have for salaries and development projects for the rehabilitation of the affected people.” Gen. Nadeem Ahmad, the chairman of the National Disaster Management Authority, called on the United Nations for helicopters and shelters to help evacuate residents. But there was growing public anger and complains about the government’s inability to promptly respond. In some areas, the water was as high as 18 feet, and residents were desperately waiting for food on their rooftops.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Jul 2010 01:03

Op-Ed by M.K. Bhadra Kumar in Hindu

The Politics of Taliban reconciliation

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 31 Jul 2010 01:15

shravan wrote:‘100,000 settlers have migrated from Balochistan’

He said from January to July 13, this year 252 settlers including 13 officers of Pakistan Army, 21 officers of FC, 27 Police officials, 26 Punjabis, 21 Pashtoons, 12 Sindhis and 112 from other parts of country have died in target killings.

Check the gwader port and the area.

Check the map

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvW69Z6LUcE

New Gwadar City(West Port)Pakistan.
Free Trade and Economic Zone! Future Most Modern Deep Sea Port in the Arabian Sea & Persian Gulf.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 31 Jul 2010 01:17

SSridhar wrote:ISI Chief cancels UK visit to protest Cameron's India Speech

One less terrorist for MI6 to worry. I guess next step is for PM Cameron to call for a burkha ban in londonistan along with ban on beards and shalwar.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 31 Jul 2010 01:22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSOlDXsvBco

india accepts that Pakistani missile technology is superior

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLE5ADuyLy8
Inventory of Pak missiles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85P1HstvNLs

All videos are from Jun 2009 - Sept 2009 - Significant period of excalation by Pak establishment
Hilarious

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 31 Jul 2010 01:23

putnanja wrote:Our language has let us down in talks with Pakistan - Satish Chandra

This is very good - Word is power. Therefore words need to be as carefully chosen, as one would chose to exercise power.

Whether it is "lack of effective assertive communication" or "fear of dis-pleasing someone" or "fear of the consequence" or "lack of shrewdness to control the aftermath" - Many Indians (politicians especially) come across weak.

Verbose and complex flowery language is another pain point.

In Pakistan - SM Krishna did not take the high road with street-smart-but-strategically-stupid Qureshi. He simply was unable to react instantly and effectively. He must have politely disagreed with moron Qureshi - right on his face, right on that spot. Making statements back in Delhi made him and India look weak.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 31 Jul 2010 01:33

Prem wrote:400 Killed in Flooding in Pakistan, Officials Say
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/31/world ... .html?_r=1
“This is the worst ever calamity in our history,” Mr. Hussain said at a news conference. “Whatever that had survived terrorist bombings have been washed away by the floods.” He added: “We need help and we need it now. Otherwise, we will have no other option to spend every penny that we have for salaries and development projects for the rehabilitation of the affected people.” Gen. Nadeem Ahmad, the chairman of the National Disaster Management Authority, called on the United Nations for helicopters and shelters to help evacuate residents. But there was growing public anger and complains about the government’s inability to promptly respond. In some areas, the water was as high as 18 feet, and residents were desperately waiting for food on their rooftops.

Following is the list of items desperately sought by pakis for immediate flood relief program

1) 1 Trillion USD aid with no strings attached
2) 100 F 16
3) Infinite JF 17 bandaar
4) Aamrams
5) Sidewinders
6) Nuke SUbmarine (for ehandee)
7) Aircraft carrier

Expanded palestine state
9) Lal Kila Delhi
10) Thermonuclear weapon
11) Water solution & Kashmir core issue

The list will keep growing with every natural human or imaginary calamity

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 31 Jul 2010 01:37

Brad Goodman wrote:
Prem wrote:400 Killed in Flooding in Pakistan, Officials Say
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/31/world ... .html?_r=1
“This is the worst ever calamity in our history,” Mr. Hussain said at a news conference. “Whatever that had survived terrorist bombings have been washed away by the floods.” He added: “We need help and we need it now. Otherwise, we will have no other option to spend every penny that we have for salaries and development projects for the rehabilitation of the affected people.”

Check this statement with this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85P1HstvNLs
Pak weapons

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 31 Jul 2010 02:00

ramana wrote:
Rangudu wrote:Has anyone seen this pic before?

R, Even Rajeev Srinivasan has this cartoon. Looks like BRF does have wide readership.

Wonder when it will make NYT!

Like Nandu points out about credit, even @ shadow warrior, no credit was given to Ramana garu's words and the original cartoon.

prashantk · Post by **prashantk** » 31 Jul 2010 02:58

putnanja wrote:
Our language has let us down in talks with Pakistan - Satish Chandra

TSP army/ISI has not changed its approach and attitude towards its own people regardless of constitution and civil goverment of the day, why we belive it will change its course weather we use harsh, stern, or soft language?
USA has not changed its policy not to directly talk to North Korea weather it is Bush or Obama administration. India needs to adopt a consistent policy towards Pakistan regardless of which party rules on a given day. i.e. Gujaral, MMS, Advani can not overnight changed on their whims.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 31 Jul 2010 03:13

I hope this wasn't posted before.
Hail to the Chief by Amina Jilani

In what other country would a prime minister make an unscheduled appearance on the national television channels to announce the granting of a full extension of service to the army chief? Can anyone think of one? To narrow the field, would it happen in any country with a ‘democratic’ parliamentary form of government?

The strange late evening July 22 announcement came a couple of days after the US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton’s visit to Islamabad when it would be safe to say the decision was confirmed — it having been mooted on occasions over the past months. And two days later, Admiral Mike Mullen arrived to punch in his stamp of approval. Then, a strange coincidence as far as timing is concerned — the Wikileaks on July 26.

What are the implications of this endorsement of General Ashfaq Kayani? Well, to many it confirms that the most powerful man in the country is not its accidental president or its wobbly prime minister, and no matter what the latter may bravely say about the decision, having been taken internally, sustaining a lie, the glaring perception is that, like much else political and strategic, it is US inspired.

Still doesn't connect the relationship between the two (Kiyani vs leaks).

IMO, the theory I am coming around to is that US went around appointing Kiyani pretty overtly and visibly as the lady in the article is saying. This visible engagement denies maneuvering space for both US and Pakis to do any ISI and Paki military mischief in the region. So, US engineers this so called "leaks" which for us are self evident truths, and preserves deniability for upcoming mischief by Kiyani. It also in a way maintains ISI's engagement/deniability with some elements of Taliban that believe they are fighting Satan and/or defending Islam.

Suggesting that leaks fiasco is indicative of cracks between US and Pak is 180 degrees from truth IMO. Further, I suspect Kiyani is going to show them using this capability in short order. Hope our folks are on guard as they have been doing since last few months.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 31 Jul 2010 03:37

Sumit Ganguly on Pakistan

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... like_these

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 31 Jul 2010 03:40

Pakistan Is Winning the War in Afghanistan

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... fghanistan

The result has been a spectacular strategic success for Pakistan. Development aid from the United States has never been greater. The United States will deliver long-embargoed F-16 fighters to Pakistan and is providing other upgrades to Pakistan's armed forces. Along with this has come a de facto U.S. security guarantee against the perceived threat from India. Pakistan's diplomatic leverage over the United States has given it a free hand to work with China to upgrade its nuclear complex. Meanwhile, Pakistan's proxy forces in southeast Afghanistan are successfully defending the security buffer zone. Pakistan's dominant position has forced Afghan President Hamid Karzai to virtually sue for peace. This could result in an ethnic partition of Afghanistan that would secure Pakistan's main objective in the conflict.

With its winning position, Pakistan's current task is to arrange a stable end-state that avoids a backlash from the losers. Pakistan and the United States are in a largely zero-sum relationship over Afghanistan. Pakistan's leaders must fashion a settlement (however temporary) that allows the United States to save face, that maintains the U.S. aid pipeline, and that keeps the de facto security guarantee in place. U.S. officials should hope that Pakistan manages the endgame as well as it has managed the rest of the match.

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 31 Jul 2010 03:49

Brad Goodman wrote:

Following is the list of items desperately sought by pakis for immediate flood relief program

1) 1 Trillion USD aid with no strings attached
2) 100 F 16
3) Infinite JF 17 bandaar
4) Aamrams
5) Sidewinders
6) Nuke SUbmarine (for ehandee)
7) Aircraft carrier
Expanded palestine state
9) Lal Kila Delhi
10) Thermonuclear weapon
11) Water solution & Kashmir core issue

The list will keep growing with every natural human or imaginary calamity

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 31 Jul 2010 03:58

Brad Goodman wrote: ...
9) Lal Kila Delhi
...

During the next Indo-Pak talks, may be they can negotiate for a lease on Aug 14th for the next 10 years with a lease renewal clause. The lease will be only for one day to celebrate their independence movement. On Aug 15 they have to vacate as MMS has to perform his duties.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 31 Jul 2010 04:54

Lets capture one paki village then next step rename it to dilli rather mughaliya dilli then ask army engineer to built a small kholi with red bricks call it red fort (rather hang a board saying so) then rule it for a few days then retreat from the village. TSPA will enter the village like gazi force out to liberate that way you have killed multiple birds with one stone. TSPA gets to raise paki flag on red fort in mughaliya dilli. brophets gazwa e behind also gets fulfilled now mango abduls will dance in extasy for few days the last time they did that was when the bum smuggled over night from cheena using khan's C130 were blasted in chagai. Since that counted as victory this should also be declared as one. After the euphoria wanes abduls will ask now OK you have captured dilli and raised sabz hilali parcham now we need food and water. We have waited 60 years for that we cannot wait any longer.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 31 Jul 2010 05:36

High court judge slams police officers for Lahore attack

A judge of the Lahore High Court has heavily criticised senior Pakistan police officers for not performing their duties properly on the morning of March 3, 2009, when the visiting Sri Lankan team was exposed to a terrorist attack in Lahore. Shabbar Raza Rizvi identified more than a dozen policemen guilty of incompetence in his report on the incident, which is due to be submitted to the ICC, Associated Press has reported.

The ICC has sent reminders to the PCB to submit an incident report on the terror attacks but the game's governing body is yet to receive it. The PCB, however, is still waiting for permission from the government to submit Rizvi's report to the ICC.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 31 Jul 2010 05:59

From http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 010_pg13_2

According to the recent statistics given by SAHIL, a non-government organisation, Punjab is on the top of the list for child molestation with 62 percent of such cases, 154 in Lahore and the rest in other cities of Punjab.

In total, 68 percent girls and 32 percent boys have been the victims of paedophilia. The number increased by 9.4 percent as compared to 2008. Statistics show that around 81 percent of the cases were registered with the police. The study shows that 2,012 children were reportedly abused in 2009 and most of them were abused by acquaintances.

The report says that children from the 11 to 15 age-group are amongst the most vulnerable, followed by the age-group 6 to 10. Out of a total 2,012 victims, 6 percent of the children were murdered after being sexually assaulted. However, 0.5 percent cases were of those children who were murdered during an “attempt” of sexual assault.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 31 Jul 2010 06:26

Strategic or sweet talk?

The private sector is disappointed over the outcome of the latest round of Pakistan-US strategic dialogue held in Islamabad last week. They are also disturbed over the Afghan-Pakistan transit trade agreement reached under American persuasion.

Businessmen believe that the accord finalised on July 18 and the side letter issued a day later has benefited neighbours at the cost of Pakistan’s business interests-- a country already bleeding dry in its efforts to contain terrorism.

Corporate Pakistan did appreciate the US support but found it much less than what they expected and what was needed.

The business community expected better market access for exports to the US market, early conclusion of bilateral investment treaty and extension of geographical limits of ROZs. It found the US position on nuclear option to meet Pakistan’s energy needs unjustified.

Last week, the US secretary of state repeated her country’s stance replying to a question. She said, the two sides talked about Pakistan’s energy needs but, “there is a concern in the international community on Pakistan-China nuclear deal which needs to be resolved first”.

“It is not fair to ask energy distressed ally to make sacrifices and reward India with a nuclear deal. The US attitude towards Pakistan-China nuclear cooperation adds insult to injury”, Rafiq Ibrahim a textile tycoon commented over telephone.

Abdul Majid Haji Mohammad, president Karachi Chamber of Commerce and Industry said the US concern for Afghan economic progress is justified but making Pakistan bend for everyone in the region is not fair. “Personally I am active in dry fruit trading in the region. The APTTA has put my business in jeopardy. The transport companies are also very unhappy”, he said. Anjum Nisar a business leader of Karachi aired similar concerns.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 31 Jul 2010 06:50

SwamyG wrote:
ramana wrote:
R, Even Rajeev Srinivasan has this cartoon. Looks like BRF does have wide readership.

Wonder when it will make NYT!
Like Nandu points out about credit, even @ shadow warrior, no credit was given to Ramana garu's words and the original cartoon.

I think Nandu did the right thing. Neither ramana nor I nor BRF should actually be claiming any credit for anything and none have done that. I have personally erred in not knowing who the original cartoonist was.

If you look at the filename on both those sites - it is "pakUS-truth.jpg". This is the filename I gave the cartoon when I saved it on my computer and later uploaded it to a filesharing site. The original filename may have been something like 13000767.jpg

So thanks Nandu for sorting that out. As someone (brihaspati?) stated the stuff posted on this forum is best used under a "creative commons licence" where you do not necessarily come back and claim credit. Claiming credit often spoils the game. The best thing is to tell it like it is, have it picked up and published by someone else as if it is his own.

To put the same thing in another way, how often do any of us claim credit for rubbish written and wrong predictions we have made? So why jump up to claim credit for a success? Would that credit have been possible without BRF? Surely the crdit must go to Seetal, Rupak et al for starting BRF no? So if a good thing has happened let it be. Credit is due only to the original cartoonist Ajit Ninan and many thanks to Nandu for pointing that out. I wil add that as info along with the original pic.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Jul 2010 06:56

the men seem to have abandoned the women and kids per that NYtimes photo. in any such pic in india you see old people, kids, women also trekking through flood water to safety. seems like only men live there and mostly young at that.