Internal Security Watch

[Aditya_V]

Phew what a relief, was very sad seeing reports earlier in the day of 70 people ,missing

Encounter with Naxals in Dantewada over, no casualties

I also hope some naxal leaders were eliminated but the news is being kept away from DDM and lefties


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 256151.cms

[Singha]

real news will only appear tomorrow morning.

[negi]

Sandhya Jain

A conspiracy unravels

So the nun rape in Kandhamal was fabricated.

[Pratyush]

Negi ji,

RANT on

How can you accuse the ROL Disciples of falsifying charges against the barbaric Hindu goons who have raped the Nun.

You should know that a Hindu is always communal and intolerant and is guilty as charged without the courtesy of a Trial. When he accused of any communal activity.

Rant off

[Rupesh]

Complicated encounters By Ajit Kumar Doval

However, it would be worthwhile to explore the real facts about Sohrabuddin, the nature of police encounters, and the real issues at stake. Sohrabuddin was an underworld gangster who was involved in nearly two dozen serious criminal offences in states of Gujarat, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh and Maharashtra. He maintained transnational links with anti-India forces from the early ‘90s onwards, until his death in 2005. Working with mafia dons like Dawood Ibrahim and Abdul Latif, he procured weapons and explosives from Pakistan and supplied them to various terrorist and anti-national groups (had it not been for his activity, at least some terrorist acts could have been averted). Sohrabuddin was solidly entrenched in the criminal world for a decade-and-a-half. Around the time he was killed, the Rajasthan government had announced a reward on his head. In 1999, he had been detained under the National Security Act by the Madhya Pradesh government

In a 1994 case investigated by the Ahmedabad crime branch, he was co-accused along with Dawood Ibrahim and convicted for five years, for waging war against the Government of India, planning an attack on the Jagannath rath yatra in Orissa, and other offences under the IPC, Arms Act, etc. During the investigation, 24 AK-56 rifles, 27 hand grenades, 5250 cartridges, 81 magazines and more were seized from his family home in Madhya Pradesh. In 2004, a fourth crime was registered against him by Chandgad police station of Kolhapur district in Maharashtra under sections 302, 120 (b), and 25 (1) (3) of the Arms Act, for the killing of Gopal Tukaram Badivadekar. As fear of him often silenced people from reporting his whereabouts, let alone deposing against him, the Rajasthan government had to announce a reward on his head after he killed Hamid Lata in broad daylight in the heart of Udaipur, on December 31, 2004. So much for Sohrabuddin’s innocence.


However, irrespective of who Sohrabuddin was and what he did, the use of unaccountable force against him is indefensible is the public view of many (often at variance with their private view). There are many who feel that there is a higher rationale for such actions in compelling circumstances, as the law of the land has repeatedly found itself helpless in dealing with individuals bent on bleeding the country. Their argument, that the rule of law is a means to an end and not an end in itself, often finds support in the jurisprudential principles of salus populi est suprema lex (the people’s welfare is the supreme law) and salus res publica est suprema lex (the safety of the nation is supreme law). Even the Supreme Court of India, in the case of D.K. Basu vs. State of West Bengal [1997 (1) SCC 416] accepted the validity of these two principles and characterised them as “not only important and relevant, but lying at the heart of the doctrine that welfare of an individual must yield to that of the community.” The validity of the principles of salus populi est suprema lex and salus res publica est suprema lex could have been part of an enlightened national discourse, and what could be the governing instrumentalities, empowerments, legal checks and stringent processes if these principles were to be invoked. It is better to accept reality as it is and then strive to change it for the better, rather than what we wish it to be. Feigned ignorance is the worst type of hypocrisy.


But there is another vital question that needs to be addressed. While pursuing the Sohrabuddin case, was the government really serious about stopping the menace of fake encounters, or was it pursuing a different agenda? Encounters have been taking place all over the country under all regimes, at times degenerating into what are called fake encounters. Between 2000 and 2007 there have been 712 cases of police encounters in the country with UP topping the list at 324, and Gujarat figuring almost at the bottom with 17.

[Manu]

Sandhya Jain

A conspiracy unravels

So the nun rape in Kandhamal was fabricated.

As was the case against Col. Purohit and Sadhvi Pragya. Public has short memory, though.

[SSridhar]

Kerala to raise two companies of Special Forces commandos

Kerala Home Minister Kodiyeri Balakrishnan said here on Wednesday that the State police would raise two companies of Special Forces commandos trained in anti-terrorist operations.

Inaugurating the newly constructed family quarters for Special Armed Battalion policemen here, Mr. Balakrishnan said the elite special weapons and tactics police units would be attached to the proposed India Reserve Battalion.

[Stan_Savljevic]

Response from j&k dhaaga

And how many of us know that the ever-so-sweet Nagas have restarted their blockade of Manipur like 2 days ago?

The blockade never ended even if publicly the blockade was "suspended". The truck drivers on NH-39 (the easier of the two routes) were threatened and beaten up, so not many plowed that route. On NH-53, there was blockades by Zomi Naga groups inside Manipur. So when HM PC responded in the Parliament, he was obfuscating facts. The GoI's primary focus wrt Nagaland-manipur relations is centered on NSCN (IM) and RS Pandey's interlocution with T. Muivah. Even the Khaplang group has been shafted in representing the Nagas. Of course, the NNC is with the Khaplang group, whereas the Neiphiu Rio government is toothless/powerless as the ransoming continues. Manipur has a HUGE number of terrorist groups and GoI may just be sitting to see who emerges the "victor" before a parley may be held. Meanwhile, Meitei vs. non-Meitei (primarily Zom Nagas) violence continues unabated. That explains the clarion call for "Nagalim for Christ". GoI may not concede a Nagalim, but may concede some form of joint sovereignty -- shared with Assam, Manipur and Arunachal. Arunachal may just accept that. But neither of Assam and Manipur will sit and watch the show.

[Singha]

nagalim has always claimed parts of assam along the border like in golaghat district. there will be mass unrest in assam if such areas are given to nagalim whether for christ or anyone else. in 1980s there was a case where around 70 assam police jawans were killed by a combination of nagaland police + armed villagers who had been encroaching inside assam and fishing using explosives in some rivers periodically.....even 3" mortars and machine guns were used to brutally massacre the lightly armed assam police unit.

[Singha]

you would almost think its a hostile international border.
http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/det ... 2908/edit2

Development-key to boundary problem
— Dwaipayan
That Assam is still caught in a web of a host of intense problems is something that does induce merely a strong feeling of hopelessness and resignation and, it is natural because they have over the years become more intractable due to delay in arriving at an amicable settlement, and may turn much more defiant than at present, if working out modalities for an enduring solution to them is further procrastinated.

One corresponding intricate issue the contributes to arousing such a feeling of despondency among the people of the State for being gradually tangled is Assam’s long pending boundary problem with Nagaland, Meghalaya and Arunachal Pradesh in particular; and, what is indeed of prime concern is that it seems to be gradually assuming a colossal dimension for Assam rather than easing. The impression gains ground following the only recently reported untoward incidents of encroachments by sections of Arunachalis at some patches of the State’s land in Nayanpur village of Lakhimpur district and the Nagas at Medeluajan under Titabor Gaon Panchayat across its border with Arunachal and Nagaland. If a TV channel footage projecting vividly and beautifully a view of plots of land barely a couple of days ago occupied by the people from Arunachal, and the news-report about 40 Naga families alleged settlement on the State’s land at Medeluajan are to be believed, the situation there can seldom be described as amusing.

But then, what has happened at Medeluajan is indeed much more gruesome which can be conceived as being a broad hint at how the Naga people are overtly pushing forward with their agenda what is called “greater Nagalim.” There, the Naga families have not just consolidated their settlement but also engaged in various development activities. They have allegedly set up two villages in the area, one is christened “Mithihe” and the other “Sephu”, one primary school which is reportedly runned by the Nagaland Government, and built two churches.

It is, however, important to note here that this is not the only case on record of the large-scale Naga encroachment on the land of a neighbouring state in the last 45 years after Nagaland emerged a full-fledged state in December 1963. In fact, during the period, many such incidents have taken place within the territory of Assam close to its border with Nagaland. In 2004 the Nagas, allegedly in connivance with their local administration, not only made their way nearly 14 km inside from the actual border but also set up government offices, commercial establishments and their camps even in Singibil under Sivasagar district.

Sometimes, the Government of Nagaland even allegedly indulges in developmental activities such as construction of roads and police outposts as well as primary schools within the territory of Assam, least bothering that such illegal actions may not only lead to tension in the region but embitter the existing brotherly relationship between the people of the two concerned states as well, and that these may speak popular outcry in Assam.

Arguably, there are some specific cases wherein Nagaland’s implication in such distasteful activities gets well exposed. One such recent instance is its running a primary school at Medeluajan. The other classic example is on the Golaghat sector of the border where it had allegedly created two sub-divisions, namely “Nuiland” and “Kohobota” sometime in 2000.What is, however, the most worrisome aspect to the whole problem is the Naga violence along the border which they often resort to successfully conduct the encroachment operation. This results in losses of innocent lives. In the past few decades, many militant Naga-induced violent incidents have taken place across the border. Of them, the two phenomena were of such a high-intensity that the peace-loving people still recollect them with deep sorrow and anguish because in both the incidents scores of people lost their lives. One was the most horrid Merapani episode of 1985 in which as many as 52 villagers and policemen from Assam were killed by the Nagaland Armed Police. Notably, just a few days before this abominable incident, the NSCN(K) militants allegedly manhandled several persons at Namasi near the border with Nagaland in Sivasagar district, decidedly to make them supple free ration. The other ghastly incident had happened at the Geleki sector in June, 2007, bordering Nagaland in the same district leaving two villagers of Sonapur dead. If one cares to go by the historical background of the genesis of Nagaland as a State, it will be discernible that the crux of the current border row lies in the haste with which it was accorded the status of a State. Nehru was of the view that the Statehood Bill for Nagaland would be delayed if the boundary demands of the negotiating NPC Naga leaders were to be attended to earlier. This has reflected only his political shortsightedness, the fall-out of which is now for all to see.

In fact, in the wake of the armed clashes in the Kakodanga forest reserve in 1965, the Government of Assam tried in many ways to reverse the trend for violence along the border, but could make little success mainly because of the plea the Naga leaders find in keeping their demands pending for future consideration at the time of creation of the State by those at the helm of affairs in the Centre. To stave off violence, and maintain status quo there, the State government had signed as many as four interim agreements with its counterpart, that too in a single year, 1972. But, in spite of it, Naga violence across the border continued as usual. The classic example of which was the horrendous episode of January 5, 1979 at Chungajan in Golaghat in which as many as 59 villagers were killed and many houses torched by them. Even the three boundary commissions have also failed to satisfy their aspirations through their recommendations.

Insofar as the boundary dispute between Assam and Meghalaya is concerned, it is also continuing as usual like the border row between Assam and Nagaland. The recent verbal war between Assam and Meghalaya over possession of the Langpih village only confirms this perception. Historically speaking, Langpih was a part of the then United Khasi and Jaintia Hills District Council. Later “it was, as Meghalaya Chief Minister Donkupar Roy reportedly, said, annexed to Assam for administrative convenience.” Assam has a police outpost there since 1979 that is another evidence of the area still under its possession. This being the actual position, Megalaya’s tussle with its counterpart over Langpih has been unjustifiable which may only serve to embitter the existing cordial relationship between the people of the two neighbouring states, if it does not stay away from it over the area.

It is heartening that a recent meeting between the Chief Ministers of both the States has decided to set up a committee headed by the chief secretaries of the concerned states to resolve the disputes. But the moot question is: whether it will be possible for the committee to find out a mutually acceptable solution if one side adopts an unrelenting attitude because in the recent past too, the similar committee was formed with Deputy Commissioners and Superintendents of Police of both the States to de-escalate tensions and resolve the crisis there. But it could yield little result.

As for Arunachal’s outlook on the border row with Assam, it is also as inflexible as that of Nagaland. Which is why the boundary problem between Assam and Arunachal still persists. In the initial years of its creation, there was no border dispute between the two States. But a few years later, some Arunachalis allegedly encroached upon some portions of Assam’s land, set up villages, bazars and even borer outposts.

If past experience is any guide, there is little likelihood of a permanent solution to the inter-State border dispute through a boundary commission. Therefore, without awaiting a commission to be formed, all Dispur needs to do is undertake developmental activities along its sensitive borders with the three States, as it has recently done at Langpih, because they alone can minimise the encroachment bid from outside Assam.

[Stan_Savljevic]

Assam has more to fear from the NRC update (or its lack thereof) and the repeal of IMDT than the rabble-rousing terrorist filth such as NSCN and NNC. With Badruddin Ajmal of AIUDF and Rockybull Hussain of the INC coming under the aegis of the Jamiat, we will keep seeing what we saw in Barpeta. Tarun Gogoi wont come back for a while given his heart surgery, but I doubt if either of the AGP-idiots or the INC or BJP buffoons can do much to CRE the demographic change in what is Project Bangassam.

NDFB and ULFA have been going on a major offensive post-Ranjan Daimary capture. When August 15 passes by, we will know how much of the ULFA and NDFB apparatus still remains on paper and how much is hype. NDFB is trying to set up camps in Nepal, which just means that the Burma unit and the BD unit are fearing a major crackdown. BD goose was (and will remain) cooked till SHW runs the show, but no guarantees on if she will win re-election. The BAL rabble rousers in the colleges and universities across BD will ensure that BNP will be seen as a better alternative. Independent of whether the razakar-lites get hanged or not, which in itself looks like a long-shot now. Than Shwe's visit and the signing of the Mutual Assistance on Criminal Matters Treaty might have opened the floodgates on the terrorist scum domiciled in Burma. But NSCN(K) may still get away due to trans-border affinity of the Naga groups. With Nepal shaking badly and Shyam Saran's "visit", there might be some temporary stability. But with Gorkhaland still burning and the capriciousness of the maoists being just the invisible hand, it wont be far before Susta, Kalapani, etc. become front-page news in ekantipur.

[Singha]

there are far too many vested interests, ethnic formulations, petty warlords, 1000yr plan demographic warriors, disputes to ever arrive at amicable solutions that please every party on the region. GOI approach has been to crackdown on most violent armed sections , bribe people , wait for warlords to grow old and more amenable to talking....at some point the old Soviet approach of motor rifle divisions, BTR-80s and boot on everyones throat looks attractive as the only soln given the kind and density of yahoos at play here.

[Stan_Savljevic]

The above still does nt explain GoI's actions (or its lack rather) in manipur. The thinking in MHA may be very different from armchair warriors such as me. Even if GKP and PC are able hands, I am foxed by the logic of hands-off. Ignoring manipur for the official 69 day blockade and then watching the AZSU take over where the ANSAM left, and then claiming that all is well in the Parliament -- who is the MHA trying to convince? This has nothing to do with religion: Did nt the same shite happen in Mizoram after the bamboo famine? Even NSCN(K) has been left out. Something is strange in the way GoI kidgloves NSCN(IM). We can all kick and scream "Baptists", but from a logical viewpoint it makes zero sense. GoI thinking is different, I am unable to figure much.

The other fact: GoI has kinda left INC-wala Ok. Ibobi Singh to fend for himself, same as they did with in the Belgaum case. I mean seriously, if they could parley with Jewel garlosa even when the DHD(J) was doing hit and run, why not manipur? When do we get to see the third act of PC Haldar and RS Pandey -- with so many outfits, should nt there be at least a couple more folks involved in nego? The more I see the incoherence (from my vantage point) and lack of uniformity between NDFB and ULFA etc, the more I see this mess going on forever. And realization of this aint bringing in any cushy feelings. The more things change, the more they appear to be the same, even if they actually may have really changed on the ground.

[Rupesh]

'Pastors trafficking NE children for church grants and foreign donations'

NEW DELHI: Promising proper education, pastors are trafficking children from the north-eastern states to Tamil Nadu and Karnataka with an oblique motive to get grants from churches and abroad, the National Commission for Protection of Child Rights said in a damning report to the Supreme Court.

Inquring into recent rescue of hundreds of children trafficked from the NE states and housed in Homes illegally run by pastors in the southern states, NCPCR found that girls were even asked to give massage to the directors of these Homes and molested.

Analysing the situation in a detailed report, NCPCR said insurgency coupled with the virtual absence of government officials at the sub-district and block level to address the education, health and developmental problems have made the entire north-east an easy hunting ground for middlemen to lure out children from parents in the name of providing them proper education.

"All-out effort are being made by pastors and other category of persons who are reaching out to source areas through middlemen for getting children in order to obtain financial support from churches within the country or donations from outside," the NCPCR said in response to a direction from the apex court to inquire into the incidents.

The source areas for the pastors are Tamnglong, Senapati, Chandel, Bishnupur, Churachandpur and Imphal in Manipur, North Cachar Hills in Assam and Meghalaya. The destination states are TN, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Kerala.

"The main reason for children being sent out by the poor parents to far off places in southern states is due to their high expectation of quality education for their children which is not available at their own places," the Commission said.

[D Roy]

Well the clock is certainly ticking in many parts of Assam.

The problem with WB and Assam is that there is a huge difference between the percentage of hindus overall in the population and the percentage of hindus under 6 in the population.

Here are figures from the 2001 census.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindus_by_ ... t_in_India

Scroll to Assam and WB.


There are districts where there is almost a 12 per cent divergence.

Indicative not only of different reproductive habits, but perhaps of Love Jihad as well.

[RamaY]

It is very frustrating to note that GOI did not develop any new political/infrastructural/policy/technological/media-management strategies to identify, preempt, mitigate, resolve this type of known terror/insurgency strategies even after 30 yrs of experience in various sectors.

We all know the modus operandi of these separatist vermin; and there are two similar issues at hand - one in Cashmere and one in Manipur/Nagaland. What are the possible strategies to preempt/counter/mitigate such scenarios?

I volunteer to summarize the thoughts once we have enough feedback.

[D Roy]

Kashmir, Nagaland and Manipur are manageable because of the very small size of their populations.

They occupied so much mindspace because there are external interests stoking these fires all the time. But as India's economic and geopolitical stature rises these problems will not look big at all.

On the other hand in Kerala and in Assam, you won't see a demand for Pakistan as some people fear , but a certain community will probably try to make a play for cornering the resources of the state through the use of demographics. the same thing may be attempted in the "harit pradesh' area as well.

They will be perfectly content to stay within the framework of democratic India, because that is exactly what they are trying to leverage right now.

All fears that certain sections of a certain community had at the time of partition have now gone away. Many of them now think- what the hell? After seeing what has happened in India would it not have been better for us to have had united India where our percentage would have been even higher and we would have emerged as an even more significant votebank?

No I don't fear partition. But what I do see is that in a world racked by consumerism and "I want more" - people are going to organize themselves in whichever way for petty gain. And certain sections of a community have practice in this kind of thing for over a millenia.

[Singha]

> Something is strange in the way GoI kidgloves NSCN(IM)

NSCN has virtually been allowed to run a parallel govt in nagaland even after they came overground. perhaps feeling is they are "our SOBS".
they extort money from everything and pay a share to govt ministers. except army everyone faces extortion there.

it will end badly - same as LTTE and bhindranwale.

[Stan_Savljevic]

This extortion model has been running everywhere, not just NSCN. Extortion and ransom are the orders of the day in many parts of NE. I am not focussing on that.

There is a considerable difference in the way GoI treats NSCN(IM)'s idiotic demands. I dont want to use the word fear cos the GoI is NOT afraid of any of these thugs. By GoI, I mean the foreign office/internal affairs-waalon that make policy decisions and the netas who are as human as us. GoI can swat and will swat if push comes to shove -- they have done that N times in the past and will do so N+1 times in the future. In fact, many of the legit whines of folks in Bodoland get ignored only to kidglove the asinine demands of the Nagalim idiots. Why? It is not fear, it is a certain strange calculation with its own plus-es and minus-es. What is the thinking in the MHA and MEA? Obviously much of this thinking is shrouded and protected by the OSA, but the application of OSA is a bit of a blanket-strategy. There are many ideas that can be easily articulated without letting any official secrets out. You may not build consensus by taking internal policy debates to the open, but you will at least give those who can care a bit of the mindspace of policy decisions.

In this context, the logical flow of parleying with NSCN(IM) ever since T. Muivah came overground from amsterdam is unclear. For that matter, even the mindspace on talking with pak-e-satan is unclar. Manipur blockade is a "trade-off" that GoI does nt see as a big deal. The fact that the Meiteis are primarily Hindus is only incidental. Obviously, for those who have an axe to grind, this serves a beneficial purpose of Hindoo agony at the hands of a What-e-can conspiracy. Reality on the ground is more subtle, and we are none the wiser.

[derkonig]

Occam's razor. INC led GoI is basically pandering to the EJ terrorists, the Hindu communities in NE as usual bear the brunt of this. There is no other explanation, no "chankian-giri", no subtle nuanced statecraft, just plain treachery & selling out national interests to the foreigners by the EJ lover INC.

[SSridhar]

Claims & Counter-claims between Karnataka & Kerala on the arrest of Madhani

The Kerala government today refuted Karnataka's allegation against state police of not cooperating in the arrest of PDP leader Abdul Nasser Madani, chargesheeted in the 2008 Bangalore blasts case.

"This allegation could be seen only as a ploy to divert attention from the criticism by the Karnataka High Court against the police in that state in connection with the case," state Home Minister Kodyeri Balakrishnan told reporters here.

The minister was reacting to reports quoting Karnataka Home Minister V S Acharya yesterday that Madani's arrest was being delayed due to the non-cooperation by Kerala government.

"Kerala had already made it clear that the state would extend co-operation in the matter if a request came from the Karnataka authorities. Karnataka has so far not made clear what help it expects from Kerala," Balakrishnan said.

Declining to entertain further queries on the matter, he said "we did not intend to complicate the issues."

[Stan_Savljevic]

Occam's razor.

If one is stupid, but wants to froth at the mouth and portray a sense of "I know it all", yes, Occam's razor will be a good description.

Former Prime Minister P V Narasimha Rao initiated the phase of peace talks with the underground Nagas. He was eager to conclude a ceasefire prior to the general elections in 1996. For this purpose, this principal secretary A N Verma reportedly met Isak Chishi Swu and Thingaleng Muivah in New York and Paris without any results. Former Prime Minister H D Deve Gowda met the two NSCN (I-M) leaders on February 3 1997 in Zurich. This beginning was followed up by Prime Minister I K Gujral whose principal secretary N N Vohra met Isak Chishi Swu and Thingaleng Muivah in Bangkok. This proved infructuous because the underground Naga leaders want to hold talks with Indian Politicians and not with the bureaucrats.
...
Early in the morning of January 9 2003, Thingaleng Muivah, 68, flew into Delhi and history from Amsterdam. It was the National Socialist Council of Nagaland (NSCN) leader's first visit to the capital of the country against which he and his 4,500-strong cadre had been waging a war for over three decades. A contingent of 300 Naga students dressed in traditional attire braved the chill to receive Muivah and his senior colleague, Isak Chisi Swu, at the Indira Gandhi International Airport. The Centre's representative for talks with the Nagas, K. Padmanabhaiah, was also there-the secessionist leaders are now official guests. In attendance, unofficially, was a community pastor to pray and bless the NSCN leaders for success in their talks with Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee later in the day.

The Naga leaders will need plenty of goodwill and prayer during their three-week stay in India. The Delhi talks mark a historical milestone in their struggle for a Nagalim-a greater Nagaland-irrespective of its outcome. In the past seven years, the duo have met three prime ministers-P.V. Narasimha Rao, H.D. Deve Gowda and Vajpayee-abroad, but this is their first formal discussion with the Indian Government.
...
For the Government, however, getting the insurgent leaders to travel to Delhi on Indian passports itself is a big achievement. It comes at the end of 20 rounds of talks spread over six years of cease-fire first declared by the Deve Gowda government in 1997. The turning point came only in July 11 last year, when Padmanabhaiah met Muivah in Amsterdam. In the joint communique they issued, Delhi for the first time recognised "the unique history and situation of Nagas". This broke the ground for a genuine dialogue. The "uniqueness", Muivah explained in the North East Sun, meant Delhi will not approach the negotiations from the straitjacket of a "constitutional perspective".

This begs the question: how come the custodian of Yindoo rights, the moral upholder of Yindoo freedoms and the only non-pseudosecular PM of Yindia, Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee, actually even bargain with these terrorists? Occam's razor as I said is a much prostituted word for ignorance and forthing at the mouth prejudice, but then kya karenge if brf repeatedly suffers from the youngistan brigade's antediluvian antics.

[Vykus]

Definetly OT, but found something to bring a smile on the face in the midst of all depressing nonsense we encounter these days....

Hollywood superstar Julia Roberts has converted to Hinduism in the hope of having a peaceful life in her next incarnation.
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[SSridhar]

Let's stop with this Julia Roberts' saga.

[derkonig]

This begs the question: how come the custodian of Yindoo rights, the moral upholder of Yindoo freedoms and the only non-pseudosecular PM of Yindia, Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee, actually even bargain with these terrorists? Occam's razor as I said is a much prostituted word for ignorance and forthing at the mouth prejudice, but then kya karenge if brf repeatedly suffers from the youngistan brigade's antediluvian antics.

Firstly, AVP, being the statesman that he is, is no custodian of Hindu rights. Secondly, NDA govt., unlike the UPA regime, did not at any point, appease the NSCN(IM). GoI under various dispensations has talked to terror outfits, but it is one thing to talk, quite another to turn a blind eye when the terror outfits openly subvert the rule of law as it was/is the case of the Manipur blockade, but I guess the ability to make this distinction is too much to expect from an EJ lover.

[JE Menon]

Let's stop with this Julia Roberts' saga.

Yes, gents please lets. This is probably little more than a publicity stunt, rather like the naming of her children "temporarily". Leave it be and no need to give it more importance than due...

[Prem]

Drama still on .
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/aug/ ... n-jail.htm
How Kasab is preparing his defence in jail

As the deadline for filing an appeal in the Bombay high court draws to a close, Pakistani terrorist Ajmal Kasab [ Images ], sentenced to death for his role in the 26/11 terror attacks, is busy jotting down notes in the Arthur Road Central jail to help his lawyers in preparing his defence. Kasab's lawyers Amin Solkar and Farhana Shah met him recently in prison to ask him whether he had anything to say as they were drafting an appeal to be filed in the high court next week. "Kasab told us that he needed a pen and some papers to note down certain points which he had come across during the trial. ( Did not they claim he was illiterate )We forwarded his request to prison authorities who have now provided him with the stationery," said Shah. "Kasab also told us that he had full faith in both of us and that he would accept whatever legal advise we gave him," Shah said. "We are currently going through the 1,500-page judgment and the chargesheet supplied to us. The appeal is being prepared and will be filed shortly," Shah said.The high court has posted the matter of confirmation of death sentence imposed on Kasab to August 12 and also asked the defence lawyers and the state government to expedite filing appeals against the verdict of the lower court. The state government had told the high court on August 2 that their appeal against the acquittal of the two accused, Faheem Ansari and Sabauddin Ahmed, would be filed within a few days, while Kasab's lawyer Shah had asked for two months time.

[Stan_Savljevic]

By your very own description of occam's razor, there are far simpler ways of explaining certain things rather than labelling things and folks as "EJ lovers." For one, BJP and the NDA were NOT necessarily 100% dharmic. By the same brush, calling the whole set of INC folks as adharmic is also plain bs. In India's history, there have been tons of people on both sides of the divide that have done a lot of good stuff. By being blind to this, and labelling everyone and sundry as EJ lovers, you are only losing the hearing-space in the other side.

Now regards Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee and NSCN, there were tradeoffs on both sides. To his credit, AVP continued what was left behind by Gujral, Deve Gowda and PV Narasimha Rao. The PMO is an institutional leviathan. There is an elephantine memory in the system. That is the way babu-crazy runs. In fact, MK Narayanan who was parleying before the IPKF saga made a statement such as "if we go there again, we will finish the unfinished and only then come back." This is before VP got nailed. I am not saying that an IPKF redux happened, but one has to understand that folks on this forum alone are not the only patriots from India. So it behooves you to stop using broad epithets and trying to understand the "strategy" behind parleying with terrorists. It seems like the word chankian has gone out of fashion because the forum-ites simple brains cannot fathom the thinking behind certain actions. But just because we cannot fathom the multi-dimensional trade-offs does nt mean that there is NONE. The goal is to understand where the rubicon is crossed, where the branches begin, where the if-then-else's get to, etc., before we call someone's action as anti-national. That needs having an open mind and a thirst to understand before we shoot too many things. I have been at your very location years back before I got a little more cautious of my own pronouncements. There are too many movers and shakers and no coordinate chart can low-dimensionalize this fundamental difficulty.

[negi]

ARRESTS OF SOME HINDUS AS TERRORISTS: CURIOUSER & CURIOUSER
- B.RAMAN

[ravit]

^^

From ARRESTS OF SOME HINDUS AS TERRORISTS: CURIOUSER & CURIOUSER

7. Thus, according to American investigators the LET and Al Qaeda were responsible for the Samjauta Express blast and the HUJI for the Mecca Masjid blast.If the American investigators, who have better sources in Pakistan, are correct, how can our investigators claim that some arrested Hindus were responsible for these incidents? Justice and fairplay demand a thorough investigation into the two different versions that have emerged from Indian and American investigators. While the American investigators have blamed the LET, Al Qaeda and the HUJI, Indian investigators have blamed the Abhinav Bharat. Both cannot be correct.

[derkonig]

By your very own description of occam's razor, there are far simpler ways of explaining certain things rather than labelling things and folks as "EJ lovers." For one, BJP and the NDA were NOT necessarily 100% dharmic. By the same brush, calling the whole set of INC folks as adharmic is also plain bs. In India's history, there have been tons of people on both sides of the divide that have done a lot of good stuff. By being blind to this, and labelling everyone and sundry as EJ lovers, you are only losing the hearing-space in the other side.

Now regards Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee and NSCN, there were tradeoffs on both sides. To his credit, AVP continued what was left behind by Gujral, Deve Gowda and PV Narasimha Rao. The PMO is an institutional leviathan. There is an elephantine memory in the system. That is the way babu-crazy runs. In fact, MK Narayanan who was parleying before the IPKF saga made a statement such as "if we go there again, we will finish the unfinished and only then come back." This is before VP got nailed. I am not saying that an IPKF redux happened, but one has to understand that folks on this forum alone are not the only patriots from India. So it behooves you to stop using broad epithets and trying to understand the "strategy" behind parleying with terrorists. It seems like the word chankian has gone out of fashion because the forum-ites simple brains cannot fathom the thinking behind certain actions. But just because we cannot fathom the multi-dimensional trade-offs does nt mean that there is NONE. The goal is to understand where the rubicon is crossed, where the branches begin, where the if-then-else's get to, etc., before we call someone's action as anti-national. That needs having an open mind and a thirst to understand before we shoot too many things. I have been at your very location years back before I got a little more cautious of my own pronouncements. There are too many movers and shakers and no coordinate chart can low-dimensionalize this fundamental difficulty.

There you go again trying to obfuscate the whole issue & smear the dharmic forces. Why do you even assume that the Indic civilization needs "hearing space" with the non-Indic. The non-Indic doesn't belong to this land, it is of for & by the evil & its end will be bad. And yes, the "torn shirt open fly" type arguments, obfuscation of reality & smearing Indic forces as evil doesn't make the non-Indic outsider any less evil.
The Indic civ only needs hearing space with its own, it doesn't need to parlay with the outsider. The dialogue that needs to happen is between the enlightened Indic & the yet not enlightened about the danger of providing sanctuary to alien ideologies.

[Pratyush]

^^^ well fellas, as far as the sekoolar establishment is concerned. Only the Hindus are the Terrorists, ROPers are are only following the core tenets of their faith to kill kaffirs.

It is irrelevant that the Hindus have no reasons nor do they have any motivation to commit any act of terror.

[Stan_Savljevic]

Ok derkonig, thank god what you yak does nt pass of for strategic thinking in the hallowed environs of the South Block. And after n years of being on brf, you cant get the difference between throwing up bile in the name of strategic thinking and trying to understand why things are the way they are, any number of years on brf wont help you. Best regards and auf wieder-nein-sehen.

[derkonig]

^^^^
You still have no response to my post that INC is sold to the EJs, apart from your pathetic attempts to smear Vajpayeeji or the NDA. I do feel you are an EJ yourself. Anyway, my last post on this as well.

[Muppalla]

ARRESTS OF SOME HINDUS AS TERRORISTS: CURIOUSER & CURIOUSER
- B.RAMAN

Instead of B.Raman if I have written similar thing it would be branded as CT .

[ramana]

Anyway wasnt Raman saar tarring BRF as Hindutva forum? Why is he batting for the innocent lambs now? A fall out with sarkar?

[Hari Seldon]

Anyway wasnt Raman saar tarring BRF as Hindutva forum? Why is he batting for the innocent lambs now? A fall out with sarkar?

Precisely among the first thoughts that came to moi mind.

Whatever, at least the man is sensible enough to accept the world for what it is and change his opinion rather than vice versa (like so many in our DDM , WKK brigade and so on).

[SSridhar]

ARRESTS OF SOME HINDUS AS TERRORISTS: CURIOUSER & CURIOUSER
- B.RAMAN

From the above,

In a press note issued on July 1, 2009, the US Department of Treasury gave the personal particulars . . . One Arif Qasmani of Karachi was specifically named by the Department as involed

The US Treasury Department might have issued the above. But, the '1267 Committee of the UNSC' has also issued the same warning and indicted the same person for the Samjhota Express bombing. The UNSC notification was issued on June 29, 2009, a couple of days before the US Treasury Deptt's notification.

[D Roy]

Article in India Today about keralam.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story ... tml?page=3

Good summary, but the root cause is 'Gelfa Manie'. everything else is a corollary.


Even the bhote bhank politics is due to the fact that mainline parties also want a share of the "gelfa manie".

I was very depressed with the state of this state, while I was there.

[Sachin]

In the mean while a posse of police from Bengaluru has landed in Kochi. Under command Siddharamayya, Deputy Supdt. of Police they first met Manoj Abraham IPS, Commissioner of Police Kochi city. They along with a team of Kerala Police is now marching towards Anawarsseri, Kollam Dt to arrest Abdul Nassar Mahdani (Mathrubhumi:English).

The PDP leaders have already started whining that an Islamic Scholar like Mahdani should not be arrested a day before the Ramadan fasting . The arrest seems to be a well timed move. Most of the commie leaders (including the home minister) are away for the commie meeting at Vijayawada. So if PDP leaders or peace-niks run to the secretariat at Thiruvananthapuram they will not find any body to listen to their whine . The speculation is that the arrest would be made today, and Bengaluru police have planned every thing to take Mahdani away to Bengaluru tonight itself. Mahdani has also adviced his followers NOT to take law & order into their own hands. The media (from what I could make from the TV channels) seems to have sensed some plan set in motion, but they could not get any further information of the arrest, its timings etc.