Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010

Mauli · Post by **Mauli** » 15 Sep 2010 05:39

The reader had serious problems with my emphasis on abolishing feudalism and enforcing a strict land reforms programme. The reader asserted that the land was given to the feudal class by God and that land reforms were akin to negating religion and the will of the Creator. The reader had suggested that we should plead to the rich to be kind to the poor and not indulge in methods negating the essence of our religion.

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2010_pg3_3

archan · Post by **archan** » 15 Sep 2010 06:34

Mauli wrote:
The reader had serious problems with my emphasis on abolishing feudalism and enforcing a strict land reforms programme. The reader asserted that the land was given to the feudal class by God and that land reforms were akin to negating religion and the will of the Creator. The reader had suggested that we should plead to the rich to be kind to the poor and not indulge in methods negating the essence of our religion.

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2010_pg3_3

Pakis have truly brought Islam such bad name..

chilarai · Post by **chilarai** » 15 Sep 2010 06:40

Brad Goodman wrote:Non Resident RAPE paki in takleef over the image problem of land of pure. Funny RAPES have now re-started their propoganda after qureshi's speech at flushing medows that there is an image issue that is hampering pakis and no terrorism problem exists.

Changing Times

from the comments section by Satori Sarkar

It’s not just a question of Pakistan’s image problem,, but the relentless way that Pakistan views everybody else’s image, there being no shades of grey allowed.

I think sums it very nicely !

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Sep 2010 06:48

Paki Cricketing Trio Neutered with their animal magnetism.

Animal attraction for Pakistan 'no-ball' cricketers

The world’s top animal rights organisation on Tuesday offered Pakistan cricketers mired in a fixing scandal the chance to claw back public respect by starring in a cat and dog neutering advertisement.

US-based People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) urged the players to exploit their “no-balls” notoriety to promote a healthier kind of “fixing”.

“No-balls may be a bad thing in cricket, but for dogs and cats, ‘no balls’ are a lifesaver,”

But PETA saw the positive. “We hope you will take us up on this offer. It is a win-win situation,” it said.

“Because of unchecked breeding and a lack of good homes, millions of dogs and cats all over the world languish in animal shelters or are euthanised every year.

Now, one can say the same (unchecked breeding and a lack of good homes) about 180 million pakis as well.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 15 Sep 2010 06:52

shiv wrote:Vikas - I don't think anyone knew exactly what India and Pakistan would look like until Cyril Radcliffe finished his work. Cyril Radcliffe finished his map on 13 Aug 1947. Two days later the job was done.

According to Narendra Singh Sarila, the contours for partitioning India were drawn up much earlier by Viceroy Wavell in February 1946. The original document detailing the district-wise division in Punjab and Bengal is preserved in the Transfer of Power papers. Radcliffe fine tuned that demarcation at the level of tehsils and villages.

Also, in Wavell's time the princely states were to be independent of India and Pakistan, and Mountbatten also came to India with this same idea. Eventually he changed his position to persuade the princes to accede to either country, in exchange for the INC accepting the creation of Pakistan. INC was assured that the great majority of states would accede to India and adequately compensate it for territory lost to Pakistan. This new formula was proposed by VP Menon to Mountbatten in May 1947 and was accepted by the British cabinet, leading to the India Independence Bill in July.

Sardar Patel's statement in the Constituent Assembly in July 1949: "In exchange for Indian acceptance of partition, Britain had agreed to withdraw not only in two months but [also] not to interfere in the question of Indian States."

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Sep 2010 07:01

Airavat wrote:
shiv wrote:Vikas - I don't think anyone knew exactly what India and Pakistan would look like until Cyril Radcliffe finished his work. Cyril Radcliffe finished his map on 13 Aug 1947. Two days later the job was done.
According to Narendra Singh Sarila, the contours for partitioning India were drawn up much earlier by Viceroy Wavell in February 1946. The original document detailing the district-wise division in Punjab and Bengal is preserved in the Transfer of Power papers. Radcliffe fine tuned that demarcation at the level of tehsils and villages.

Also, in Wavell's time the princely states were to be independent of India and Pakistan, and Mountbatten also came to India with this same idea. Eventually he changed his position to persuade the princes to accede to either country, in exchange for the INC accepting the creation of Pakistan. INC was assured that the great majority of states would accede to India and adequately compensate it for territory lost to Pakistan. This new formula was proposed by VP Menon to Mountbatten in May 1947 and was accepted by the British cabinet, leading to the India Independence Bill in July.

Sardar Patel's statement in the Constituent Assembly in July 1949: "In exchange for Indian acceptance of partition, Britain had agreed to withdraw not only in two months but [also] not to interfere in the question of Indian States."

Thanks for jogging my memory on this. In fact just a year earlier - in 1946 the Congress had rejected the May 16th plan of separate electorates which led to Jinnah organising the "Direct Action day" in August 1946 to support the June 16th plan for partition. That was just one year ahead of partition. Was Wavell's plan fairly mature then so Jinnah knew the approximate "shape" of future Pakistan?

Until the Princely states finished with their accession I suspect Jinnah did not know how moth eaten his Pakistan was to be.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Sep 2010 08:03

India, Pak try to thaw chill

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/India ... ill/681602

Let us start the drama again!

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 15 Sep 2010 08:25

US drone strike kills 11 militants in Pakistan

By Hasbanullah Khan (AFP) – 2 hours ago

MIRANSHAH, Pakistan — US drones fired off a volley of missiles targeting Al-Qaeda linked fighters in a tribal area of northwest Pakistan Wednesday, killing at least 11 militants, security officials said.

The pre-dawn attack -- the third in less than 24 hours -- was directed at the Haqqani network, a Pakistan-based group which is one of the toughest foes for foreign forces in neighbouring Afghanistan.

"Several US drones fired seven missiles at two militant compounds early this morning, killing at least 11 militants," a senior security official told AFP. "The missile strike targeted militants of the Haqqani network."

The attack took place in the village of Dargah Mandi village on the outskirts of Miranshah, the main town in the troubled North Waziristan tribal district where US missiles killed 15 militants in two separate attacks Tuesday.

Another security official in Peshawar and a local intelligence official confirmed Wednesday's strike and the death toll.

"They were Pakistani Taliban attached to the Haqqani group," the intelligence official in Miranshah said.

Residents said there was panic in the village as the noise of drones was heard just before dawn.

"As the US drones came over the village people started shouting and running here and there shouting 'run, drones have come,' a local tribesman told AFP, requesting anonymity for fear militants might harm him.

Residents said the targeted houses were owned by a local tribesman Bacha Khan, who had rented them out to militants, and were destroyed in the attacks.

Created by Afghan warlord Jalaluddin Haqqani and run by his son Sirajuddin, the network is linked to Al-Qaeda and the Taliban and has become a particularly prickly thorn in the side of US-led forces trying to bring security to eastern Afghanistan.

A fresh surge in US missile strikes has killed 75 militants since September 3 in Pakistan's northwestern tribal belt, which Washington has branded a global headquarters of Al-Qaeda and the most dangerous spot on Earth.

On Tuesday, 11 militants were killed in a drone attack on the village of Bushnarai in Shawal district, a known stronghold of Taliban warlord Hafiz Gul Bahadur which is populated by Arab fighters.

Another four militants were killed that day in Qutabkhel village south of Miranshah when US drones fired missiles on militant vehicles, officials said.

With Pakistan struggling to cope with devastating floods that have hit 21 million people in the country's worst humanitarian disaster, Islamist militant violence has picked up in recent weeks with a wave of major bombings.

The Taliban last week threatened Pakistani security forces with more suicide attacks to avenge US missile strikes, which have become a key tactic in the US-led fight to reverse the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan.

Over 1,070 people have been killed in more than 125 drone strikes in Pakistan since August 2008, including a number of senior militants. However, the attacks fuel anti-American sentiment in the conservative Muslim country.

Making the month of Sep 2010 (only half way through), the most intense so far in terms of number of drone strikes, at the average rate of almost every day.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 15 Sep 2010 08:25

Pretty enlightening article on why honor killings are so prevalent: So pretty much if the victim's relatives "Forgive" the killer -- he goes scott free!!

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2010_pg3_4

Between 1981 and 2000, the murder rate rose at an average of 6.5 per 100,000 per annum. It has increased since the qisas and diyat laws were introduced. The percentage of cases cancelled by the police on their own without sending a chalaan to the court has doubled and stood at 11 percent in 2000. Conviction rates at the trial stage have steadily decreased and stood at an abysmal 12 percent in 2000 while compromise rates increased to 29 percent. This means that one out of every three murderers walks free after striking a deal.

In 1997 PCrLJ 247, one Mansoor Ali broke into the house of his uncle to wipe out his family so he could become the heir to his wealth. He shot dead five family members while two others were injured. He was acquitted after a compromise deed was produced before the court signed by the heir who had, by that time, lost her sanity.

The case of Samia Sarwar, belonging to an urban elite educated family tells us how parents systematically murdered their own daughter in the name of ‘honour’ for wishing to divorce her husband. Parents and siblings, already having lost a family member, do not wish to be separated from one another. This poses the question of whether such compromises should be allowed since it sends a clear message that honour killings and killings within the family are justified since the convict goes scot-free without any social stigma or serving a criminal sentence.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 15 Sep 2010 08:37

shiv wrote:in 1946 the Congress had rejected the May 16th plan of separate electorates which led to Jinnah organising the "Direct Action day" in August 1946 to support the June 16th plan

Shiv, I think it was the Cabinet Mission Plan, which clubbed British Indian provinces into three separate groups that would draw up their separate constitutions. The northwest and northeast groups were under non-Congress rule, except NWFP and Assam, while Punjab was ruled by a non-Muslim League and non-Congress alliance. This grouping contained the seeds of Pakistan, but the Cabinet Mission Plan also called for a Constituent Assembly which would draw up the all-India constitution at the center. The INC opposed the grouping scheme while Muslim League opposed a Constituent Assembly for all-India.

Unfortunately for Jinnah, INC won a majority in the 1946 elections to this Constituent Assembly. Therefore he resorted to communal terrorism: "Only the League's direct action could prevent the Congress from hijacking the Constituent Assembly on the basis of its majority, turn it into a sovereign body and attempt a de facto takeover of power."

shiv wrote:Until the Princely states finished with their accession I suspect Jinnah did not know how moth eaten his Pakistan was to be.

Jinnah's objective was always a weak (preferably non-existent) central government in India while ironically his vision for 'Pakistan' was vague. He famously told Lord Wavell in November 1946: "(The) British should give him his own bit of territory, however small it might be." And again in April 1947, Jinnah told Mountbatten: "I do not care how little you give me so long as you give it to me completely."

Therefore he was quite aware that a moth eaten Pakistan was in the works, but the saving grace was that this small Pakistan would be strong and united, while India would be weak and divided. A united India, with a strong central government, was the achievement of Sardar Patel, VP Menon, and to an extent Mountbatten. Till the end Jinnah was furiously trying to negotiate with the Sikhs (Baldev Singh) and Hindu princely states (even after the ghastly communal warfare unleashed on Hindus and Sikhs by the Muslim League terrorists), trying to get them to join his Pakistan (which had ostensibly been created for Muslims!). His objective was a weak and divided India, which remains the objective of the Pakistan Army till this day.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Sep 2010 09:06

I Think this has some relevance here . Finally an old BR idea going Mainstream to Put Poak on Moan--scream.

http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... an/408058/

Aligning India with long-standing Pakhtoon aspirations may be a potentially potent lever
the recently concluded annual conference of the International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS) in Geneva (September 10-12, 2010), Henry Kissinger had a telling comment on the “exit strategy” being pursued by the US and its allies in Afghanistan. He said that the focus appeared to be more on exit and less on strategy. His strategy for a viable solution? A regional compact among key stakeholders that effectively sanitised Afghanistan from regional and great power competition. This would effectively give the country a neutral status, guaranteed by the international community and respected by the country’s neighbours.
Two, the Chinese position is problematical. There is a belief in some quarters that China may be positively inclined towards this proposal because of its fear over a spillover of Islamic irredentism into the adjoining Chinese province of Xinjiang. Chinese concerns are being exaggerated. China had no reservations in dealing with the previous Taliban regime in Kabul. It may also consider a Pakistani-dominated Taliban regime a better insurance for the pursuit of its interests in the country than a neutral dispensation. After all, Pakistan has always been extraordinarily sensitive to Chinese interests.
The nervous reaction in Pakistan to Ambassador Blackwill’s advocacy of a de facto partition of Afghanistan between a southern Pushtun and possibly Taliban-ruled entity and a non-Pushtun remainder, derives from this anxiety about an irresistible tide of Pakhtoon nationalism, especially at a time when central control over an ethnically diverse and now economically ravaged country is becoming increasingly tenuous. Pakistan may well demand, as its price, an Afghan and international recognition and guarantee of the Durand Line. No Afghan government is likely to concede that.
India, therefore, should really be crafting a strategy to retain a strong presence in Afghanistan and even augment it, irrespective of what other actors decide to do. This is dictated by the need to prevent the country from once again degenerating into a base for jihadi terrorism against India. It is also an useful platform for India’s engagement with Central Asia. India does have convergent interests with some of the stakeholders, both within Afghanistan and including some of its neighbours like Iran and Russia. At the very least, there are those who, like India, cannot accept a fundamentalist Sunni-dominated regime in Kabul. We need to help coalesce them together in the pursuit of our shared interests.
We must be mindful of the tendency among some of our western friends to offer concessions at the expense of India in a dubious attempt to buy Pakistan’s support of their “exit strategy”, however this may be defined. A British participant at the conference wondered whether it would not be wise for India to close its consulates in Afghanistan and retain only its embassy in Kabul, in order to “get Pakistan off your (India’s) back”. This is more like getting India off Pakistan’s back! We should dispel the notion, widely held among the western strategic community, that India’s presence and involvement in Afghanistan has been made possible thanks to the International Security Assistance Force’s (ISAF’s) security cover and, therefore, it should not be allowed a “free ride” at the expense of western interests. These includes assuaging Pakistani security concerns vis-a-vis India, however paranoid they may be. The reality is that we have been able to sustain a significant presence in Afghanistan and earn considerable goodwill, including in Pushtun areas, precisely because we have been careful not to be associated with ISAF activities, but operate strictly on a bilateral basis with the Afghan government.
India should also revisit its position on the Durand Line. It may be worthwhile for us to signal that we do not necessarily recognise the Durand Line as a legitimate frontier between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Aligning India with long-standing Pakhtoon aspirations may be a potentially potent lever to use as the new version of the Great Game unfolds in our neighbourhood.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 15 Sep 2010 10:00

US drone strike kills 14 militants in North Waziristan

MIRAMSHAH: US drones fired off a volley of missiles targeting militants in a tribal area of northwest Pakistan Wednesday, killing 14 of them, security officials said.

The pre-dawn attack —the third in less than 24 hours —was directed at the Haqqani network

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 15 Sep 2010 10:09

whoever invested in stocks of hellfire missile maker must be earning well. maybe large batches are nearing expiry date ... the rate of use seems going up sharply these days.

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 15 Sep 2010 10:09

Well RoP as usual, but are these Pakis?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 555800.cms

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 15 Sep 2010 10:29

derkonig wrote:Well RoP as usual, but are these Pakis?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 555800.cms

Nope, from Iran.

99% of time a name ending in pour is a Persian name.

rahuls · Post by **rahuls** » 15 Sep 2010 10:30

derkonig wrote:Well RoP as usual, but are these Pakis?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 555800.cms

More likely Iranian/Turkish names.

tarun · Post by **tarun** » 15 Sep 2010 11:02

Pardon my ignorance but whats an RoP ?

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 15 Sep 2010 11:30

^^^
How many times have you heard the phrase: "Islam is a religion of peace"?

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 15 Sep 2010 14:49

Suspected US missiles{ Could be paki also } kill 13 in NW Pakistan

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 15 Sep 2010 15:07

Seven killed in Kurram tribal clashes

PESHAWAR: Seven people were killed and 11 injured in fresh clashes between two tribes in the Kurram tribal region on Wednesday.

According to sources, the clashes continued in Kurram’s Slaozan and Tungi areas and the tribesmen were using rockets, mortars shells and other heavy weapons against each other.

The clashes erupted due to a water dispute two weeks ago and have claimed the lives of 36 people so far. More than 50 people have also been injured in the clashes.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 15 Sep 2010 15:13

Gwadar Port may be given to China Special Report on Balochistan

GWADAR: The news that Gwadar port is all set to be taken away from the Port of Singapore Authority (PSA) and is likely to be given to the Chinese may have repercussions that go much beyond its white sand shores.

Official sources confirm that “an understanding to that effect has already developed at the highest levels but it will take a while before the legal and administrative constraints are removed.” The biggest constraint remains the agreement with the PSA, which was given the right to run the port for 40 years. However, official sources are confident that the PSA had given them sufficient grounds to revoke the agreement. Apart from its failure to bring a single commercial ship to the Gwadar docks, the PSA has not invested even a fraction of the $525 million it had committed to spend in five years.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Sep 2010 15:51

Mauli wrote:
The reader asserted that the land was given to the feudal class by God and that land reforms were akin to negating religion and the will of the Creator.

But, Manzur Ejaz has to know a little bit more about his own country before criticizing the reader who commented. The reader's comments are correct. The Council of Islamic Ideologoy (CII) had struck down land reforms as incompatible with Islam. The Federal Shariah Court and the Supreme Court have concurred with that view.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 15 Sep 2010 16:28

Just when you thought the nutty nation couldn't possibly get nuttier

After the CIA deploys the great weather making HARP machine to create flood, the FBI deploys the e-mail domain of death against the land of the pure...

Another FBI agent exposed
By: Sikander Shaheen | Published: September 15, 2010

ISLAMABAD – The undercover agents working for the US spying agencies operating in Pakistan are using the email domains that belong to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), to share secret information on Pakistan, TheNation's investigations reveal.
An authentic piece of information based on verified reports discloses that the FBI and CIA agents currently living in Islamabad are using the email domain “ic.fbi. state. gov”. The email address of an FBI reported informant who uses the same email domain, which this newspaper managed to get hold of, reads “keith. winter@ic. fbi. state.gov”.
The reported undercover operative introduces himself as an aid worker who is here to provide humanitarian assistance to flood affectees. The informant is identified as Keith B. Winter, a US national, currently residing in the sector F-6/2. In order to verify whether the aforesaid email address was workable and it was operated from Islamabad, some Internet Service Providers (ISPs) were consulted who confirmed after due verifications that the email address was existent, been operated from the aforementioned origin.
This journalist sent a few emails to the email address in discussion, but they were not returned. The situation is alarming as on one hand, the United States accuses Pakistan’s government and military set-ups of having failed to curb ‘rising militancy’ in flood-hit areas while on the other hand, its own intelligence agencies are the ones that are exploiting the flash floods scenario to the maximum, in the garb of humanitarian assistance.
The ISPs say that the informants who use secretive email domains are using Pakistani Internet networks to operate from. However, the ISPs are unable to stop that practice and make any secret information public.

“We cannot intrude the privacy of customers although we can confirm if any email domain accessed from any Pakistani internet company is foreign,” they said.
An ISP(s) can only track down the information shared from its network and initiate action against the customers to block any given email domain(s) if the country’s Interior Ministry or security agencies communicate to the ISP(s) in writing requesting for the information to be shared or blocked.
Given that there are hundreds of email addresses used by US informants to share important information about Pakistan, the one mentioned in this story is just a tip of the iceberg. The particular street in F-6/2 where Keith B. The winter is currently residing contains eight covert residences, three of which are hired in the name of a US aid agency, while the other five reportedly belong to Blackwater, CIA and FBI, all hired in the name of US Embassy staff. The entire issue, based on US Embassy’s close interactions with secretive US agencies to patronise espionage in Pakistan, came to light courtesy TheNation on May 14 this year. Since then, this newspaper has published a number of follow-up stories on the subject. The US Embassy repeatedly contradicts TheNation's news reports on the aforementioned subject saying that there is a only a ‘small contingent’ of “approximately 200 US military personnel in Pakistan - all assigned to ODR-P.” unfortunately Pakistan’s Interior Ministry lacks any spokesperson to offer on-the-record comment on any topic.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 15 Sep 2010 17:01

i think shireen mazari, needs to be sent to guantanamo, and locked for putting the lives of us citizens in danger, by exposing their addresses.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 15 Sep 2010 17:02

well issue me a canadian visa!
now even zawahiri is getting ready for the end of pakistan!

Al-Qaeda leader condemns corruption in Pakistan

"The primary concern of the ruling class in the government and army of Pakistan is filling their domestic and foreign bank accounts with dollars, and as far as they are concerned, Pakistan and its people can go to hell," he said.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Sep 2010 17:10

To add to Airavat:

1. Congress didn't like the compulsory grouping of the plan.

The possibility of civil war in our country has been created by the British Government. The British Government is playing the old game. The Cabinet's Statement shows the same mentality. The interpretation given by them stresses the point that the different groups of the Indian Federation shall have full power to frame whatever constitution they liked for them. They say, as they said before, that a province will have full option to remain in a group or not; but at the same time they qualify this statement with conditions which preclude the possibility of a province using that right. You tell a province that it was free to remain in a group or not but at the same time you say that all the people of a group should join together to frame its constitution. The North-West Frontier Province will have to attach itself to the Punjab, Sind and Baluchistan, and Assam to Bengal. Their constitutions will be framed by 'B' and 'C' groups. The group consisting of Punjab, Sind and Baluchistan will frame constitutions for N.W. F. Province and Bengal for Assam. Is it honest? You say that a province has the right to go out of a group but you frame a constitution that precludes its going out of it. In the Cabinet Mission's Statement, it was clearly said that a province will have option to join a group. The option to go out is given at the end of the Statement. The meaning of the first part is that at the time of the formation of groups a province will have free option to be in the group or not. We understood it as such and so the Congress accepted it; but now it is said that a province has no option ,even at the time of formation of groups to remain out of its group not does it have the right to frame its constitution. It will be framed by the delegates of the whole group. This means that we should accept the division of India and deliver the N.W. F. Province and Assam into the hands of persons who openly assert that they are out to divide India into two parts. If civil war is unavoidable, let it come. We cannot be coerced to do a wrong thing by threats of civil war. It is quite possible that civilwar may occur in a comer of India and we may have to fight the British, too. They threaten us with civil war; but the fact is that they are sowing the seeds of civil war among us. They wish that we should fight so that they may rule over us

Purushotam Das Tandon
Constituent Assembly Debates
Friday, Dec 13, 1946

Jinnah's objective was always a weak (preferably non-existent) central government in India while ironically his vision for 'Pakistan' was vague. He famously told Lord Wavell in November 1946: "(The) British should give him his own bit of territory, however small it might be." And again in April 1947, Jinnah told Mountbatten: "I do not care how little you give me so long as you give it to me completely."

No, IMO, Jinnah's vision for Pakistan was not vague. He wanted the undivided province of Punjab if possible with at most minor adjustments. He wanted Bengal to be undivided and not-in-India.

Lastly, he refused to concede to the Sikhs the types of concessions he was demanding from the Congress for the Muslims. That, coupled with the violence the Muslim League unleashed to topple the Unionist ministry in Punjab, lost him the Sikhs.

From here:

http://sites.google.com/site/cabinetmis ... march-1947

Governor Jenkins to Lord Pethick Lawrence

It is quite impossible for one community to rule the Punjab with its present boundaries. Long-term alternatives are therefore reversion to Unionist principles with Muslim domination or partition which would create intolerable minority problems. Effect of agitation is to force second alternative on non-Muslims and to impair seriously long-term prospects of Muslim League and Muslims generally. Muslim League are in fact wantonly throwing away certainty of Muslim Leadership in a United Punjab for uncertain advantages of a partition which Sikhs will gradually now demand. But nobody has brains to understand this.

Jenkins to Wavell

The failure of the Muslim League to take office after the General Election was due more to their uncompromising communal outlook than to any other cause. I believe that the local Congress broke with them on the old question of the inclusion of a nationalist Muslim in the Cabinet, but the underlying suspicion was there. A Sikh, who says he was present in the negotiations between the League and the Akalis, has told me that the immediate terms offered by the League were acceptable, but that the League leaders bluntly refused to discuss the future of the Sikhs or to give any assurances to them. The Sikhs felt that they could hardly maintain in power a party whose avowed policy was to treat them as inferiors in a Muslim country.

archan · Post by **archan** » 15 Sep 2010 17:24

tarun wrote:Pardon my ignorance but whats an RoP ?

It is one new name that some bigots among us have found to spew their hatred of a certain religion in a slightly more politically correct way, hoping that the moderators will let it pass..
I tell you brother, you are better off ignorant than becoming such a "learned" one.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Sep 2010 17:52

RoP as used by rightwing American sites is: "Religion of Peace".

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.c ... n+of+Peace

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 15 Sep 2010 17:59

^^ archan, I did a quick search and in addition to yours truly, I find a huge list of mujahids (and some mullahs) that are using this term quite freely. It is practically as common as TSP.

Either you should ban it completely or identify specific usages that are deemed offensive....and get the poster to delete them. Why are our mods making vague 'spit and run' remarks instead of exercising their moral and various other rights? Temporary bout of WKKitis or is a convenient way of washing hands?

(I do hope mulla and mujahid are ok

)

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 15 Sep 2010 18:01

Salman Rushdie on Pakistan.Rushdie hasnt said anything new which we dont know. But, he is quite blunt in this video about pakistan. Rushdie called a spade a spade.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Sep 2010 18:17

Dilbu wrote:Gwadar Port may be given to China Special Report on Balochistan

Dilbu, a friend has sent me the following link, "Construction of Sino-Myanmar pipeline starts". His question is, with the port of Kyaukryu (Kyaukpyu) in operation why would the Chinese then need Gwadar.

Though the Myanmarese port is expected to operate by end of 2010 (one has to admire the determination and the unrelenting speed with which the Chinese execute the projects), there are at least two points that come to mind as to why the Chinese would still need Gwadar.

One, the Chinese want to reduce their dependence through the choke-point of the Malacca Straits which could be easily be shut down by India, especially with the cooperation of Indonesia and Malaysia all of whom have border disputes with the Chinese. The three navies have been increasing their exchanges, something which is being looked upon suspiciously by the Chinese. An alternate land route for the Persian Gulf oil & gas is therefore very attractive and also a must for security reasons. Though the Myanmarese port may obviate the need for Chinese tankers to traverse the Malacca Starits, the access to the Myanmarese port is through the the Indian backwaters of Bay of Bengal and uncomfortably close to India. In fact, the Myanmarese port is an afterthought and a redundant option for Gwadar for the Chinese. Besides, the Myanmar-China pipeline may carry significant Myanmar oil and may not have capacity for what China wants to import from the Gulf by land-based pipelines.

Two, Gwadar was certainly a significant component of the 'String of Pearls'. The lease temporarily went to PSA and with rapidly deteriorating security situation in Pakistan, it is high time the Chinese thought of recovering the important port. Under the guise of commercial operations, PLAN can have an innocuous presence. Besides, PLAN is beginning to have extensive operations abutting pirate-infested Yemen-Somalia coastlines. A nearby Gwadar base will come very handy.

wig · Post by **wig** » 15 Sep 2010 18:24

apologies if posted before /in wrong thread
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 06,00.html
Pakistani Printers' Fake Afghan Voting Cards

Printers in this city near the Afghan border say they have produced thousands of fake voter registration cards at the request of Afghan politicians for use in that country's parliamentary elections on Saturday.

The cards, some shown to The Associated Press, add to evidence that fraud could undermine the elections and further destabilize the Western-backed government of Three printers in a dimly lit section of Peshawar's Storytellers' Bazaar told the AP that Afghan election candidates had traveled to the walled heart of the ancient city about an hour from the border and provided them with samples of Afghan voter registration cards.

The printers said they had produced thousands of cards, along with plastic sheaths to laminate them, for roughly 20 rupees (23 cents) apiece.

The fakes shown to the AP resembled genuine Afghan cards, but it was not clear if they would withstand close scrutiny.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 15 Sep 2010 18:28

does PRC really need gwadar for oil? i mean, they could get oil overland from CAR and even Iran potentially
why then gwadar and a KKH pipeline? more cost, more hassle?
burma route more safe, lower mountains... happy ending?

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 15 Sep 2010 18:40

Thanks for the explanation SS saar. Gwadar is a tarrel than ocean project and intended to be a key component in 'stling of pealrs'.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 15 Sep 2010 19:15

Lalmohan wrote:does PRC really need gwadar for oil? i mean, they could get oil overland from CAR and even Iran potentially
why then gwadar and a KKH pipeline? more cost, more hassle?
burma route more safe, lower mountains... happy ending?

Economic development of Xinxiang, other commodities through rail route through Kunjarab pass , snooping on Unkil from their Gwadar base, Making sure Unkil & Japanese have to transit uncomfortably close to the Chinese when they go to get their Oil

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Sep 2010 19:21

Lalmohan wrote:does PRC really need gwadar for oil? i mean, they could get oil overland from CAR and even Iran potentially
why then gwadar and a KKH pipeline? more cost, more hassle?
burma route more safe, lower mountains... happy ending?

An article I read today linked off this forum says that as long as Afghanistan is unstable this can't happen. Hence the only route is POK to Gwadar.

ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 15 Sep 2010 19:36

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100915/ap_ ... ions_fraud

Pakistani printers make fake Afghan voting cards

PESHAWAR, Pakistan – Printers in this city near the Afghan border say they have produced thousands of fake voter registration cards at the request of Afghan politicians for use in that country's parliamentary elections on Saturday.

The cards, some shown to The Associated Press, add to evidence that fraud could undermine the elections and further destabilize the Western-backed government of President Hamid Karzai.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 15 Sep 2010 20:00

archan wrote:
tarun wrote:Pardon my ignorance but whats an RoP ?
It is one new name that some bigots among us have found to spew their hatred of a certain religion in a slightly more politically correct way, hoping that the moderators will let it pass..
I tell you brother, you are better off ignorant than becoming such a "learned" one.

You're right sir and I'll withdraw such entries out of the dictionary.

Avik · Post by **Avik** » 15 Sep 2010 20:01

Gwadar was certainly a significant component of the 'String of Pearls'. The lease temporarily went to PSA and with rapidly deteriorating security situation in Pakistan, it is high time the Chinese thought of recovering the important port. Under the guise of commercial operations, PLAN can have an innocuous presence. Besides, PLAN is beginning to have extensive operations abutting pirate-infested Yemen-Somalia coastlines. A nearby Gwadar base will come very handy.

SSridhar: Control over Gwadar provides PLAN + PN the ability to choke off oil supplies from the Persian Gulf. Gwadar is literally next door to the Gulf waterways and PLAN can use Gwadar as a staging post to counter any attempt to choke the Malacca Straits.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 15 Sep 2010 20:15

but PLAn has to get get to gwadar first, is their supply chain safe?