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Jagan
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 01 Nov 2010 09:15 
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Not really.. its from Airliners - here is another angle of the same ac, pulling up.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia-- ... 90cd489a8a

and a better one

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia-- ... 90cd489a8a
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Prasad
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Here you go - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cI0YSArgQY
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mukul_chou
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 03 Nov 2010 22:45 
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gurus

today I saw a ac looking like this
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with a red star on tail fin at Dumdum international air port, kolkata

was this Vickers VC10? which country does it belong?

thanks
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dipayan
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
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cud be an Il-62...going by the red star on the tail
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Gaur
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
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mukul_chou,
I am afraid that you have provided us with very little information to correctly id the aircraft. The only hint you give is the t-tail and red star. The picture you posted is certainly a Vickers VC10. However red star suggests mother Russia. So check the pics of An-72, Il-62 and most importantly Il-76. See if the aircraft you saw was one of those.
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dipayan
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MVHO...we can rule out the Il-76 and the An-72 based on their engine config and wing profiles.
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Aditya G
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Must be a VC-10 supporting Ex Indradhanush
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chiru
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@ mukul were did u see it ? and gurus the lockheed jetstar ll also had a similar layout but its a puny business jet
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indranilroy
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 04 Nov 2010 02:29 
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I believe the Mukul saw a IL-62 :)
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Sriman
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 04 Nov 2010 02:37 
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Prasad wrote:
Here you go - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cI0YSArgQY

The pilot in that pic is Kvochur but the pic is not from the same flight as that video though.

There multiple pictures from different angles:

http://photos.airliners.net/photos/phot ... 025605.jpg

http://photos.airliners.net/photos/midd ... 027487.jpg

Edit: Oops, didnt see Jagan's post
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dipayan
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 04 Nov 2010 05:05 
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Il-62M

http://photos.airliners.net/photo/Interavia/Ilyushin-Il-62M/1106370/L/&sid=a156d741f5ea82f82c64c346ece2fb1b

VC-10

http://photos.airliners.net/photo/BOAC-Cunard/Vickers-Super-VC10/0788804/&sid=f9d78c99d5f9b6be5dacb356c0a2b19d

The aircraft is a VC-10. Only the vickers has fences on the wing.
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mukul_chou
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 04 Nov 2010 08:39 
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^^chiru
definitely not jetstar ll, it was a T tail AC.


it is either Il-62 or VC 10

I had a little glimpses of it while moving by bus and ..
it was in dark gray camo and relatively(to passenger jets) smaller AC...
T tail , quad engine at tail fin root and a red star

comparison
http://www.vc10.net/History/Comp_il62.html
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chiru
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yeah jetstars are pretty old now so there cant be a possibility of spotting it in the air :p
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Shalav
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Looks like a VC10, it can't be the IL62. There's no auxiliary engine exhaust visible and there's the "notch" visible at the aft section of the elevator which the IL62 did not have.

The aircraft also looks like it has something in the aft ventral section - probably refueling drogue. If so then its the RAF VC10 tanker version.
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Aditya G
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May I expand the scope of the thread?

ID the two (?) munitions in this IAF picture:

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By vayusena at 2010-11-08
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vikrant
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Just guessing, It's SA-3 Pechora. The section at the back is sustainer motor with rear fins for inhibiting booster glide. The fore section is the booster with roll control fins removed (The thrust adjustment screw at the nozzle of the booster is visible in the pic). Correct me if I am wrong.

Cheers....
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Kersi D
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There used to be an aircraft called Boeing 720. It was very similar to B 707 except that it did not have any antenae at the top of the tail / fin / vertical stabiliser. I believe that the Israeli use them for some military, probably ECM, purposes

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Kersi D
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Shiv. How about starting a similar thread for weapons ?

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Kersi D
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I do not recall seeing a C 9 Nightingale. It was a med evac version of DC 9, in USAF.
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Aditya G
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
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neerajb wrote:
Just guessing, It's SA-3 Pechora. The section at the back is sustainer motor with rear fins for inhibiting booster glide. The fore section is the booster with roll control fins removed (The thrust adjustment screw at the nozzle of the booster is visible in the pic). Correct me if I am wrong.

Cheers....


superb!
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jamwal
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 11 Nov 2010 16:49 
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Guess this:

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nikhil_p
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 12 Nov 2010 01:56 
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jamwal wrote:
Guess this:



Though i cannot see the picture

It is a Bereiv VVA14 Ekranoplane...

As me how I got it!! :)
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shiv
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PostPosted: 12 Nov 2010 07:41 
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shukla wrote:
Beechcraft T-6 Military Trainer for Indian Air Force field evaluation trials
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Hawker Beechcraft Corporation’s (HBC) T-6 military trainer will come to India later this month to take part in field evaluation trials with the Indian Air Force officials as part of its competition for a new basic trainer, a HBC release said.


Interestingly the Beechcraft T 6 looks very similar to the Tucano and the Pilatus PC-9 (which is the T-6s father)

Beechctaft T6
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Embraer/Shorts Tucano
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Pilatus PC-9
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indranilroy
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 12 Nov 2010 08:39 
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How different will they look Shiv sahab. They employ a very basic aerodynamics.

Actually to be frank, I am surprised that India has to import these, when we can build an LCA.

It should take less than a year to design and 2 years to prototype and 2 years to get clearance. It really beats me how we can miss this low lying fruit.

I go for skydiving and people there build there own two seaters, albeit not tandem in a garage! Where I make my aeromodels, a professor is building a plane like the same there.

This can't be so difficult.

I mean look at these crafts, a straight wing with a straight leading edge and a tapered trailing edge for stability, a elevator above the wake of the wing and a rudder. we already have the seating arrangement and the canopy from Tejas trainer. We are anyways going to import the engines.

Beats me why we have to import these!

Sorry for the rant.
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shiv
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
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indranilroy wrote:
Beats me why we have to import these!


The biggest difference appears to be in what is not visible - i.e the fuel supply to the engine. That is what has been bringing the HPT 32 down. HAL did offer the HTT 34 and I have no idea why that was never taken up seriously, leading to the current impasse.

HPT 32
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indranilroy
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^^^ If that is stopping our aero engineers from implementing the project in this age, then I will say nothing. But I am fairly sure, they know what to do. :)
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jamwal
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nikhil_p wrote:
jamwal wrote:
Guess this:



Though i cannot see the picture

It is a Bereiv VVA14 Ekranoplane...

As me how I got it!! :)


No brainer ! :lol:


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In late 1950s, the U.S. Navy started the Polaris program which was to arm the submarines with ballistic missiles. The USSR quickly issued requirement to industries for the Anti-Submarine-Warfare system. A vehicle was initially seen as urgently needed to destroy Polaris-missile submarines. The Minister of Defense selected Bartini's floatplane design, and ordered Beriev OKB to build three prototypes. It was to be developed in three phases. The VVA-14M1 was to be a technology test-bed with inflatable pontoons. The VVA-14M2 was to be more advanced with fly-by-wire flight controls. The third stage would be the VTOL vehicle fully equipped with armament. In 1972, the first prototype made its maiden flight as as aeroplane. In 1974, the inflatable pontoons were installed but its expansion and retraction caused many problems. So later it was replaced by rigid pontoons, the fuselage was lengthened and a pair of starting engines were added. The program continued in 1974 but the engine resonance caused breakage of landing gears and rear control flaps. It never flew again and eventually drew to a close as Beriev was given higher-priority work with the A-40 and IL-78.


Model kit
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tushar_m
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looks similar to this program

The caspian sea monster

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shiv
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I owe Chirag and BalaVignesh Rs 100 each for a lost bet I saw a spectacular photo of an F/A 18 Super Hornet at the BR Bangalore meet and was stumped by its box intakes. I had failed to notice the change in intakes from Hornet to Shornet - from JF-17 type intake to box.

You live and learn.. :oops: You can collect your 100 from me the next time we meet boys. That's a promise

F-18A
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Super Hornet
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atreya
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PostPosted: 13 Nov 2010 19:45 
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Too bad shiv saar. "I", who has to stare at an aircraft/heli for 10 mins, before making out what it is, knew that :lol: (Thanks to Wiki baba)
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shiv
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Well that's how the cookie crumbles.

Anyhow the "other" aircrfat that I failed to recognise at the BR meet (beyond the fact that it was a Grumman something was the Grumman Mohawk
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chiru
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shiv sir i dont want the cash instead can u give me one of those many books lying in your house ??
and AWESOME one-liners by you today :mrgreen: :rotfl: :mrgreen: :rotfl: :mrgreen: :rotfl: :mrgreen: :rotfl:
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shiv
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chiru wrote:
shiv sir i dont want the cash instead can u give me one of those many books lying in your house :


With pleasure.
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Bala Vignesh
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Shiv Sir,
Same here. I'd rather have access to your library than the 100 bucks.. :-)
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VishnuCK
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[quote="shiv"]I owe Chirag and BalaVignesh Rs 100 each for a lost bet I saw a spectacular photo of an F/A 18 Super Hornet at the BR Bangalore meet and was stumped by its box intakes. I had failed to notice the change in intakes from Hornet to Shornet - from JF-17 type intake to box.

Here are the images that Shiv Sir is referring to. I took these pictures while at the Alliance Airshow in Fort Worth Tx in 2009.
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VishnuCK
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And here's a few pictures of the Blue Angels (F18 Hornets) with the other variant of the air intakes (oval shaped).

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Bala Vignesh
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Thanks for the images Vishnu sir.. If you could you put the image of the super hornet just after take off where the intakes are much clearer...
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manoba
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Those are all great photos Vishnu. Espescially the copul**ing :oops: Blue Angels Hornets.

Please do upload the F-35 photos as well (Also the ones with all the partner country flags).
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Bala Vignesh
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Another aircraft that was not recognized easily during BR Meet in bangalore was the below one.
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The A1 Skyraider.
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Bala Vignesh
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A quiz..
Identify this bird???
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