Indian Naval Discussion

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 08 Dec 2010 13:44

even in the case of radiation, it will take several hours, long enough for the CBG to launch all aircraft and hit whatever they were going to hit in the first place

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 08 Dec 2010 14:05

disha wrote:Only a nuke tipped BM attack can take out a CBG from very afar. Further the nuke BM has to be precise, very precise (arjun chaap (tm)).

Check out Operation Crossroads. Nuke Shot Able which was an airburst caused most damage within 1Km of point zero and the carrier which suffered damage at @2.5 km was more of a fire damage caused by jet fuel.

Nuke Shot Baker was underwater and outside of the 1km zone, the most damage was due to radiation (ships are intact, but heavily irridiated killing the crew). The most damage outside of the 1km zone were on ships perpendicular to the base surge.

A typical CBG is very spread out. So to take out main elements, the nuke BM has to land closest to the carrier and has to detonate at a precise height and at precise point. Otherwise it is a waste.

Counter-intuitively, a massed attack by supersonic cruise missiles has a better chances.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Dec 2010 14:27

That the IN has its own fuel cell programme is most interesting.The size of sub for which the indigenous AIP is being developed would indicate the future dimensions of a new line.It is the most difficult aspect of conventional sub design.Hardly three-four nations,France (MESMA) Sweden( Stirling engine) and Germany/Russia (fuel cell) have the tech.Each system has its own pros and cons.We should take up the French offer for MESMA,as the Paki Agosta's have it if only to explore the tech fully,apart from fuel-cell AIP for the second line,either German or Russian.

Tx guys for the video clip of the Gorky/Vik.It indicates a hint of the enormity of the task involved in converting that rustbucket into a new carrier.Let's hope that now she will arrive as scheduled in 2012.

PLAN ASBMs should have the added advantage of using PRC sats for target spotting and guidance,until their own seekers make a final attack.AS Ramanna said,this will keep US carriers further away from the Chinese coastline and one might see less gunboat diplomacy in future.However,given the US's statement that it will come to SoKos defence,a similar guarantee to Taiwan might see a repeat of the last carrier "steam-through" the Taiwan Straits.Any Chinese attack on a US carrier task force would see a massive retailation from the US and send much of the PLAN to Davy Jones' locker.At this time,it is Chinese bluff and bluster,the threat that it might take to arms, that is being used to armtwist smaller nations.If one stands up to China,one will see a change of tack immediately.

PS:INS Mysore and INS Tarangini are taking part in the 60th anniversary of the SLN on the 9th and 10th Dec.in Colombo.Nice pics of the galaxy of foreign warships taking part,including the PN's latest Jiangwei-2 class FFG, the PLAN's Lanzhou class DDG and the Russian navy's Udaloy class ASW CG Adm.Vinogradov.

http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20101208_06

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Dec 2010 22:51

IN at war 1971 east http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj30oQuT ... re=related
IN at war 1971 west http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzNCePxo ... re=related

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 08 Dec 2010 22:58

neerajb wrote:Just speculating here, but whatever info is available on the net, it seems, the ASBM actually flattens out (much like Prithvi) loosing speed before engaging the target to facilitate effective seeker operation. IMVVHO the scheme is much like the naval ASROC, where a unguided ballistic rocket is used to increase range of the torpedo warhead and reduce the engagement time. What type of warhead this ASBM uses is still unknown.

Cheers....

perhaps, but a BM also loses much of its potency in a shallow trajectory. it becomes not that much more difficult to shoot down than any supersonic cruise missile. which, while not easy to intercept is certainly easier than BM's.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 09 Dec 2010 05:31

Navy retires INS Vagli, India down to 14 subs

NEW DELHI: The last of India's Foxtrot-class submarines, INS Vagli, will retire after 36 years of operational service on Thursday. But the well-deserved nostalgia over INS Vagli's yeoman service should come with a harsh reality check.

India is now down to just 14 ageing submarines, with only eight to nine operational at any given time. It will get progressively worse. By the time Navy gets the first of the six Scorpene submarines being built at Mazagon Docks in 2015 — the Rs 23,562-crore project is already running three years behind schedule — only 10 submarines will be operational.

Latest projections, in fact, show India will have only five of the existing 10 Russian Kilo-class and four German HDW submarines by 2020. And only two by 2022.

Even if the six Scorpenes manage to roll out between 2015 and 2020, as is now expected, India will have a grand total of just eight to nine diesel-electric submarines by 2022.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 09 Dec 2010 12:48

Therefore,the IN should exercise the option of building another 4+ AIP Scorpenes,with improvements after operating the first two,when the first batch of 6 are completed around 2015/16.The second line should be a Russian derived boat which can carry Brahmos and replace in sequence the Kilos.We need 24 conventional AIP subs apart from the N-Boats to meet China's massive 80+ sub inventory by 2020.

nrshah · Post by **nrshah** » 09 Dec 2010 17:59

Navy gets nod for LPDs’ acquisition

Link - http://www.financialexpress.com/news/na ... on/722260/

From the link

.........“Under the ‘Buy and Make Indian’ category, the defence ministry would invite proposals from those Indian industries that have requisite financial and technical capabilities to enter into joint ventures and also absorb technology and undertake indigenous manufacture of the warships,” said chief of the Indian Navy Admiral Nirmal Verma. ......

srai · Post by **srai** » 10 Dec 2010 06:46

SriSri wrote:Navy Launches Fourth Naval Offshore Patrol Vessel - NOPV Sumitra

There are two versions of this 105 M OPV.

Coast Guard version (lighter armaments):
105 M Advanced Offshore Patrol Vessel

Here's the version for the IN (seems to have more armaments and bit better performance):
105 M Naval Advanced Offshore Patrol Vessel

Code: Select all

Dimensions
-------------------------------------
Length Overall       105.00 M
Breadth	           12.90 M
Depth MLD	         6.00 M
Draught mean         3.60 M
Draught (Propeller)  4.90 M
Displacement     abt. 2215 Tons

Performance
-------------------------------------
Speed (at trial displ)	 25 knots
Range	                 6000 NM at 16 knots
Endurance  
    Normal       20 days
    Extended     60 days

Accommodation    16 Officers & 102 Sailors

IN order for NOPV:
4 w/ GSL
5 w/ HSL
----------------------
Total: 9 NOPVs over the next 10 years

There could be another 6 more NOPVs to replace the 6 Sukanya class (inducted between 1989 and 1993), which would all be retiring in the next 10-15 years. Or the second order of 5 NOPV may be the replacement.

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 10 Dec 2010 07:41

Eying China, India Plans New East Coast Navy Bases

Eying China, India Plans New East Coast Navy Bases
By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI
Published : 8 Dec 2010

NEW DELHI - India's plans to build naval infrastructure on the east coast is a sign of the extra emphasis the country is placing on its defenses against China, analysts here say.

Defence Minister A.K. Antony told the parliament Dec. 8 that the government has approved building two new naval installations on the east coast.

"The Government has accorded in principle approval to setting up of certain naval infrastructure at two places on the East Coast," according to the Defence Ministry's official statement. "Coastal security is the top priority of the Government, and a number of measures are being taken separately."

The locations of the new facilities have not been announced. The Indian Navy has bases at Vishakapatnma, Karwar, Mumbai and Kochi.

Sources in the Navy said the two installations could house future submarines.

The Indian Navy is developing a submarine operating base at its new base at Karwar along with the current submarine base at Vishakapatnam.

The service is also developing the second phase of the Karwar base on the western seaboard, which will eventually be the biggest such base this side of the Suez, an Indian Navy official said.

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 10 Dec 2010 08:08

Russian Govt may give us Order Worth Rs 30,000-32,000: Nikhil Gandhi, Chairman, Pipavav Shipyard

Prospect of contract from Russian government fails to lift Pipavav Shipyard

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 10 Dec 2010 09:49

Does this mean that Pipav will build another 4 Talwar-2s?This would be great if so!

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 10 Dec 2010 10:06

Why would IN want Talwars? If anything more P-17's are required with better weapons.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Dec 2010 10:13

cost maybe - the P17s are more complex, bigger and costly ships. if Pvt shipyard is to start building principal combatants in FFG category , might be easier for them to start with Talwar2.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 10 Dec 2010 11:02

Guys,

Any paan wala sources on when will the remaining 7 P 17s will be ordered and laid down and who will be making them.

I know that the P 15B has the cabinet approval for it.

Also what are the proposed names for the Scorpeans being build for the IN in MDL.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Dec 2010 20:43

http://sify.com/finance/new-coastal-sur ... badia.html

New coastal surveillance system ready, says BEL
Ajai Shukla | 2010-11-27 00:50:00

At least one of the lessons of the Mumbai terror strike of 26/11 - when ten Laskhar-e-Toiba terrorists set out from Karachi, hijacked an Indian fishing boat, MV Kuber, and sailed into Mumbaiâ€™s coast undetected - has been fully absorbed by the government. The approaches to India's coastline will soon be amongst the most carefully watched waters in the world.

In the aftermath of 26/11, the apex Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) issued detailed orders, and allocated funds, to implement a Coastal Surveillance Scheme, to ensure a 24x7x365 watch over Indias 7600-kilometre coastline to ensure that no hostile elements could sneak in by sea again.

The Coastal Surveillance Scheme is ready for implementation. It relies on a chain of electro-optic sensors - i.e. radars, and day and night vision cameras - that are being installed on lighthouses and towers that look out at the Arabian Sea and the Bay of Bengal. The key challenge in setting up the scheme has been in transmitting the data picked up from multiple sensors along the coast to surveillance centres located in the interior and integrating the data into a coherent operational picture.

That problem has now been solved, says defence PSU, Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL), which is putting the finishing touches on the software for the Coastal Surveillance Scheme. On a visit to BEL Bangalore, Business Standard was demonstrated how the Rs 700 crore system would function within a Remote Operating Station, the name for the Coast Guard surveillance centre that would receive data from a lighthouses and towers along the coast. Advanced "data fusion" techniques are then employed to integrate all the information.

"Data fusion has been a key design challenge," affirms BELs R&D chief, I V Sarma. "If two adjoining radars pick up a single boat, which often happens, the software must recognised that and combine those two images into that of a single boat. Fortunately, BEL had built up enormous experience in data fusion while developing the navys Combat Management Systems, which also integrates inputs from multiple radars on board a warship; and while building an Integrated Air Command and Control System for the IAF."

Besides integrating multiple inputs into a common operational picture, the software allows the Remote Operating Station to remotely manipulate its coastal radars and cameras through a Camera Management System to observe suspicious objects in greater detail. In a quick demonstration staged for Business Standard, an oil tanker, which had been detected by a thermal-imaging night vision camera at a distance of 36 kilometers from the coast, was declared a suspicious vessel.

A click by the operator on the oil tankers screen image automatically fed its coordinates to the camera, which zoomed in quickly, giving the operator a detailed look.

"The cameras and radars are Israeli," admit BEL operators, "But we are working on developing them indigenously."

The software also performs other tasks that include monitoring the health of the remote systems; and an alarm system that alerts the operators when a vessel enters a designated "sensitive zone".

In Phase I, the coast guard is setting up 46 electro-optic sensor stations in high-threat areas, and 12 Remote Operating Stations. This will be expanded in Phase II to cover the entire coastline over the next three years. The most recent installations are radar stations in Dwarka and Navodra, which feed into a Remote Operating Station at Porbandar, about 100 kms away. Distance is irrelevant, with data being transmitted through two dedicated lines of 2 MBPS each.

The 12 Remote Operating Stations feed into one of the four Regional Operating Centres at Mumbai, Kochi, Chennai and Visakhapatanam. Finally, all this information is fed in real time to the apex Control Centre at New Delhi, where it is integrated into a single national-level picture.

For this, the Ministry of Home Affairs is the nodal agency but coordinates with multiple agencies, including the coastal state governments; the fisheries department; the department of lighthouses and lightships; and port authorities, among others.

sgopal · Post by **sgopal** » 10 Dec 2010 20:49

Singha wrote:...........

Is this different from the order given to SAAB for Coastal Surveillance System?

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Dec 2010 21:14

^^ Please do not quote the entire article for a one line question!!

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 10 Dec 2010 21:54

Why they chose to go down with the ship

The dark night of December 9, 1971, is imprinted on my mind like a scar. Thirty-nine years ago during India’s war with Pakistan, two vintage anti-submarine frigates that my father, the late Captain Mahender Nath Mulla, commanded, were ordered to hunt and destroy a Pakistani submarine lurking off the coast of Diu. The operation was doomed from the beginning. Like in Tennyson’s poem “The Charge of the Light Brigade”, the brave men went into the night as commanded. One of the two frigates was torpedoed by the modern Pakistani submarine, the PNS Hangor. The INS Khukri sank, taking 178 Indian naval ratings and 18 officers including my father to their watery graves. It was reported that the captain of the ship showed extraordinary courage during those last minutes of his life, helping save as many of his men as he could and not abandoning his vessel. He went down with his ship, along with the other brave soldiers. A Mahavir Chakra was awarded to him posthumously.I have often wondered what made my father decide to go down with his ship. Was it a quest for immortality beyond death? Or was it an old naval tradition? Or did he make the choice because he felt it was the right thing to do?

My battle for life commenced after the 1971. The sinking of the Khukri was my leitmotif and I never transcended the ideals that my father lived and died for. I remember him telling me: “Never call your best action a sacrifice. If one fights for a cause, it is because one cannot live with the way things are”. His sacrifice influenced me to be a teacher. It is a choice I have never regretted. On that fateful night, he helped as many sailors he could to the safety of lifeboats. When he had done his duty he took his decision to go down with his ship. I suppose he saw himself as the ship’s master, nurtured by his ideals. He made the choice not because it was the right thing to do, nor because it was expected of him, but because knowing him as I did, it was the only thing he would do. He was the first captain of independent India’s navy to go down with his ship and hopefully the last. One such man is enough to bring honour to an entire nation for a lifetime.

The writer is principal of Springdales School, Pusa Road, New Delhi

narmad · Post by **narmad** » 10 Dec 2010 21:58

Why they chose to go down with the ship

This is very inspiring

Katare · Post by **Katare** » 11 Dec 2010 02:18

Pipavav/Gandhi is talkin about followon order for P17A., which is going to be an open tender with requirement to build ships in India with foreign technology. Now IN wants to build in the batches of 4 instead of 3 to get better economy of scale.

he does not have order if he did his stocks will be shooting through roof...

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 11 Dec 2010 02:50

Rupesh wrote:Why they chose to go down with the ship

The INS Khukri sank, taking 178 Indian naval ratings and 18 officers including my father to their watery graves.

Can someone confirm that? It was a Type-14 frigate, which meant it would have had a crew of ~~around 120~~ (edit) 112 according to wikipedia.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 11 Dec 2010 03:04

It was a Type 14 ASW Frigate but per this article

Captain Mahendra Nath Mullah, aged 45,in the highest tradition of the Navy, preferred to stand by his 18 officers and 176 sailors who went down with the Khukri

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... harry.html

Pratik_S · Post by **Pratik_S** » 11 Dec 2010 12:00

Juggi G wrote:Russian Govt may give us Order Worth Rs 30,000-32,000: Nikhil Gandhi, Chairman, Pipavav Shipyard

Prospect of contract from Russian government fails to lift Pipavav Shipyard

I suppose Pipav is likely to get refit order for last two Kilo class Subs (INS Sindhurakshak and INS Sindhushastra).

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 11 Dec 2010 13:29

Indian Coast Guard Inducts New OPV Vijit

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Dec 2010 14:18

HT:

Coastal security plan: radars atop 90 lighthouses
Press Trust Of India
New Delhi, November 26, 2010

On the eve of second anniversary 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks, India today took a giant step in securing its coasts through gap-free radar coverage atop 90 lighthouses by placing an order worth Rs 76 crore with Swedish firm SAAB. The project to have a coastal surveillance radar atop the lighthouses
along the 7,516-km long coastline will be executed under the national coastal security plan formulated by Directorate General of Lighthouses and Lightships (DGLL) in the aftermath of the Mumbai terror attacks, officials said here.

SAAB, on its part, said it has bagged the Swedish currency Kronor 116-million order from DGLL, an Indian Maritime Authority, for supply of a system for coastal surveillance for the entire Indian coast.

The system that DGLL ordered comprises of sensors to be installed along the coast and equipment for regional and national control centres. Users of the system, apart from DGLL, will be the Navy, Coast Guard and DG Shipping.

"SAAB will implement the project which includes installation, commissioning, training and support together with their Indian partner, Elcome Marine Services. The project will start immediately and will be completed within 18 months," the company said.

The firm has already installed sea traffic monitoring systems in European countries for their inland waterways and in China.

The terrorists who had targetted Mumbai on November 26, 2008, had sneaked into the city by boats.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 11 Dec 2010 16:27

DCNS Chairman & CEO Patrick Boissier visits Mazagon Dock Ltd in India
Machinist

DCNS CEO Patrick Boissier visited Mazagon Dock Ltd (MDL) shipyard in Mumbai, where six Scorpene submarines abe being manufactured, to be delivered to the Indian Navy under the P75 programme. The DCNS Group is in charge of the transfer of technology and of know-how (ToT) to MDL for the six submarines. "To date, MDL is done with the hulls of the first and secondsubmarines while third and fourth hulls are progressing very well. The ToT has helped us immensely in acquiring expertise in manufacturing pressure hulls," said Vice Admiral H.S. Malhi, CMD, MDL.

"I am sure outfitting phase followed by integration will go off well too. Our MDL team is highly motivated and our partners too. We are all very eager to meet the aspirations of our customer, the Indian Navy," he added. "We are today conducting a deep ToT from the first submarine onward. Through this ToT. MDL will produce submarines at an active pace, and have autonomy for their maintenance. We hope to make significant contribution through our global experience and expertise to MDL and more generally to the Indian companies. India is one of the key strategic focus markets for the DCNS Group," said Patrick Boissier, DCNS CEO. "For DCNS, the P75 programme is part of our long-term commitment to India, and hopefully for future programmes to come," he added.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 11 Dec 2010 16:30

India and Sri Lanka step up naval cooperation
Hindustan times

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 11 Dec 2010 17:44

WATERY TRUTHS
The Telegraph India

It is disturbing that ship-by-ship not much has changed for the better for the Indian armada between 2000 and 2010. Carrier force remains static at one. Submarine strength has fallen from 18 to 15. The number of destroyers, too, remains stuck at eight. Only the number of less-power-packed frigates and corvettes has gone up from 11 to 13 and 23 to 24 respectively. In contrast, Beijing’s destroyers have gone up from 20 to 27 and frigates from 41 to 51.

The problem in the Indian Ocean, however, has shifted from traditional confrontation among navies to terror of piracy across the shipping lanes of the Red Sea-Arabian Sea-Indian Ocean tri-junction. A need for co-operation among state navies has emerged, opening up an opportunity for the Chinese navy, hitherto unseen in areas far away from East Asian waters. Since no conventional navy can operate on its own steam for long on high seas with periodic ‘base-time’, the Chinese tactic to develop Indian Ocean littoral states’ coastal assets into Chinese shelter spots is understandable.

For far too long, India did not entertain the idea of the Indian Ocean turning into an area of potential conflict instead of a zone of peace and tranquillity. As times changed, force doctrine also underwent a transformation. From the Persian Gulf to the Mozambique Channel, Red Sea to Malacca Straits, and beyond, the ensign of the Indian navy is more than visible. Indian sailors are doing regular exercise with Western and Asian navies. But China, too, recently showed its teeth with ‘live action drill’ in South China Sea amid escalating tensions with Japan and other Southeast Asian countries over territorial claims. India needs to work in tandem with friendly navies to get permanent/long-term bases for berthing of the fleet in out-of-area missions and deepen bilateral relations that will enhance the deployment capacity of its naval fleet.

manish.rastogi · Post by **manish.rastogi** » 11 Dec 2010 18:49

okay....so can anyone tell why pvt shipyards dont get govt contracts....pls dnt give the babu problems....i want to know the technical problems??

neerajb · Post by **neerajb** » 11 Dec 2010 18:57

For starters, Pipavav is the only pvt indian shipyard with a licence to build warships and that too it got recently.

Cheers....

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 11 Dec 2010 19:44

srai wrote:...

IN order for NOPV:
4 w/ GSL
5 w/ HSL
----------------------
Total: 9 NOPVs over the next 10 years

There could be another 6 more NOPVs to replace the 6 Sukanya class (inducted between 1989 and 1993), which would all be retiring in the next 10-15 years. Or the second order of 5 NOPV may be the replacement.

Seems there is a new OPV or similar type of vessel being inducted into CG or IN every 2 weeks. Newbie question pls - what is purpose of an OPV, and what is its use during war?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Dec 2010 21:32

yes the CG is definitely getting a lot of ships, dorniers, FACs - they offload the regular IN ships from the task of patrolling the vast EEZ and beyond for potential terrorist threats, shipwrecks, CSAR, inshore patrols to secure sensitive areas, supporting island garrisons like narcondam, minicoy, maldives, madagascar post and so on....having a helicopter and zodiac boats they can also deploy small troop of marine infantry/marcos.

During war they can continue on the same roles and mainly focus on CSAR , inshore patrolling of sensitive areas I suppose as they lack offensive armament. attempts to sneak in comandeered merchant ships and do H&D stuff like beaching one onto a indian harbour to block it can be checked for.

all serviceable IN ships will be clearing harbour asap and moving to deep seas for operations and greater safety. only some smaller ASW ships and MCM/minesweepers might be left behind to escort convoys and clear shipping lanes.

likewise the Dornier do228 equipped with AMOSP optronic suite fulfill the vital task of aerial patrolling (IN has no resources to patrol the EEZ) and will supplement and support the coastal radar + EO network once it comes online in 3-4 yrs.

arun · Post by **arun** » 11 Dec 2010 21:59

Picture of Coast Guard 90 meter OPV ICGS Vijit:

Clicky

srai · Post by **srai** » 11 Dec 2010 22:11

Aditya G wrote:
srai wrote:...

IN order for NOPV:
4 w/ GSL
5 w/ HSL
----------------------
Total: 9 NOPVs over the next 10 years

There could be another 6 more NOPVs to replace the 6 Sukanya class (inducted between 1989 and 1993), which would all be retiring in the next 10-15 years. Or the second order of 5 NOPV may be the replacement.
Seems there is a new OPV or similar type of vessel being inducted into CG or IN every 2 weeks. Newbie question pls - what is purpose of an OPV, and what is its use during war?

Navy (of IN size/strength) has three areas of operations typically:

1. Power Projection (Blue Water Operations)

Provided by: Aircraft Carriers, DDG, FFG, SSK, SSN, SSBN
Average cost per ship: more than $500 million each
Role: Dominate seas within and beyond IOR ... "sword arm" of the navy
IN specifics: By 2022, IN is projected to have 3 AC, 10 DDG, 16 FFG, 12 SSK, and 3 SSN/SSBN.

2. Maritime Presence & Security (Green Water Operations)

Provided by: Corvettes, OPV
Average cost per ship: between $100 million to $300 million each
Role: Duties such patrolling and policing sea lanes, escorting of naval assets, SAR operations, surveillance
IN specifics: By 2022, IN is projected to have 12 Corvettes and 12-15 NOPV in the 2,000t-2,500t class. According to Wiki, "Seaborne piracy against transport vessels remains a significant issue (with estimated worldwide losses of US $13 to $16 billion per year), particularly in the waters between the Red Sea and Indian Ocean, off the Somali coast, and also in the Strait of Malacca and Singapore, which are used by over 50,000 commercial ships a year." The number of piracy attacks is increasing every year with close to 1000 piracy attacks in the IOR in the last 3 years alone. Since this is in India's "own backyard", IN has a greater role to play here, and "relatively cheap" OPVs and Corvettes fit in perfectly for this type of low-intensity (but continuous) role.

3. EEZ Security (Brown Water Operations)

Provided by: Coast Guard
Average cost per ship: less than $100 million each
Role: EEZ Duties such patrolling and policing, escorting of ships, SAR operations, surveillance
IN specifics: Although IN is the overall authority, Coast Guard provides the bulk of the manpower and resources for securing the EEZ. By 2022, IN will have retired all of its small missile boats and will only possess a small number of patrol boats for securing its naval bases.

vishnu.nv · Post by **vishnu.nv** » 11 Dec 2010 22:22

Anybody knows the status of P-28? Its almost time we should have first one.

srai · Post by **srai** » 11 Dec 2010 22:22

Katare wrote:Pipavav/Gandhi is talkin about followon order for P17A., which is going to be an open tender with requirement to build ships in India with foreign technology. Now IN wants to build in the batches of 4 instead of 3 to get better economy of scale.

...

IN is also dividing up the order between different shipyards for larger orders. Out of the seven P17A ordered, 4 will be build in one shipyard and the other 3 in a different shipyard. Similarly with P-75A deal, 2-3 will be build in OEM, 2-3 in MDL, and 1 in another shipyard.

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 11 Dec 2010 22:35

This is a similar exercise to MMRCA or N-reactor deals. Various foreign suppliers are looking for partners to take care of offset/other contractual obligations for domestic production.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Dec 2010 08:51

P-8i to be inducted into INS Rajali soon

Rear Admiral DM Sudan, Assistant Chief of Naval Staff (Air), on Saturday said Naval Air Station, INS Rajali, Arakkonam, was all set for major growth with the induction of the P81 aircraft – capable of long range maritime reconnaissance, anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare as well as search and rescue missions – in the near future.

He was speaking at the passing-out parade of the 75th Helicopter Conversion Course of the Helicopter Training School (HTS) located at INS Rajali.

“It would be fitted with the best available sensors. We have to ensure that while we still continue to operate our existing assets, the new technology is imbibed and state-of-the-art platforms exploited to their full potential at the earliest,” he said.

He pointed out that INS Rajali had become one of the premier air stations of the Navy over the years.

Noting that it was for the first time in the history of the HTS that six Commercial Pilot License holders from the Coast Guard were graduating, he said among them was the first batch of two women trainee pilots who have been trained by HTS.

“This is the first time that women officers are being inducted as helicopter pilots in the Coast Guard,” he said.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 12 Dec 2010 10:47

CCS nod for 4 more stealth destroyers
Times of India

The government has cleared another major programme, 'Project-15B', to indigenously construct four guided-missile stealth destroyers for around Rs 30,000-crore at Mazagon Docks. In its quest to become a powerful three-dimensional blue-water force and maintain a fleet of around 140 "surface and sub-surface combatants", the Navy already has 30 warships and six submarines on order in various Indian shipyards.

Moreover, it has an aircraft carrier, Admiral Gorshkov or INS Vikramditya, three additional Talwar-class stealth frigates in Russia, as also two fleet tankers in Italy under construction. Project-15B, which will be undertaken at MDL after the three Kolkata-class 6,700-tonne destroyers already being constructed there under a long-delayed Rs 11,662-crore project are finally delivered in 2012-2014, is understood to have been cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security on Wednesday evening. It was earlier cleared by the Defence Acquisitions Council, chaired by defence minister A K Antony, in July.