West Asia News and Discussions

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Jun 2014 21:20

ISIS in Iraq+Syria = TTP in Pashtun Pakistan.

Both are Deoabandised Wahabis.

Eventually they will upend KSA's sham Sunnis.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 11 Jun 2014 23:25

American-trained Iraqi government forces fled in the face of the onslaught by the suspected ISIS fighters. The militants now control most, if not all, of the city.
The heavily armed radicals overran police stations, freed more than 1,000 prisoners from the city jail and captured the city's international airport.
ISIS issued a statement promising to continue its "series of blessed battles" in Nineveh province, which it said was designed to "open up the province completely and cleanse it of apostates."
Iraq's parliamentary speaker was scathing, saying the Iraqi forces "abandoned their weapons and the commanders fled, leaving behind weapons, armored vehicles. Their positions were easy prey for terrorists."
On Wednesday, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki ordered that all military leaders who fled be court-martialed.

This Eyerakization Policy seems to be going as well as the Afghanization and Vietnamization Policies b4 them, hain? Can't say I blame these guys, what hope do they have if they hang around?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 11 Jun 2014 23:36

This is what I read about ISIS attacks:
ø 500,000 fled Mosul alone. Kurds helping out as much as possible.
ø Some helicopters, fighter jets, humvees, ammunition etc. under ISIS control
ø gas fields and oilfields under attack
ø About 400million $ fall in hands of ISIS
ø North eastern Iraq and southern Syria under ISIS attack

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 12 Jun 2014 00:06

vishvak wrote:This is what I read about ISIS attacks:
ø 500,000 fled Mosul alone. Kurds helping out as much as possible.
ø Some helicopters, fighter jets, humvees, ammunition etc. under ISIS control
ø gas fields and oilfields under attack
ø About 400million $ fall in hands of ISIS
ø North eastern Iraq and southern Syria under ISIS attack

I am loving this. ISIS represents purity. Royal family must be stumped. How can they claim to be the keepers of Mecca when they don't follow all the commandments of the book? We are in for a real treat. Iranians will be occupied with on the western flank and the Russians and Chinese will make sure to keep the arms flowing. Truly a sea of fire is being created in the ME.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jun 2014 00:11

RoyG, Now see that law suit in Londonistan by the Christian Wife of the King! And connect to your statement.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 12 Jun 2014 00:28

The writing is on the wall. Arab royals will be facing an existential threat. They didn't learn from the Pakistanis. The leakage of their own policy will only grow. With the US retreating and in economic decline they may have to lean on the russians and chinese for help. I think the SCO is playing a deep game. If they can give them better security guarantees that may not bode well for the dollar.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 12 Jun 2014 01:00

Ramanaji, I think we are going to have to revise our time frame estimates. The ME is burning faster than I have anticipated. The purity of Islam cannot be diluted for too long.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 12 Jun 2014 01:49

North eastern Iraq and southern Syria under ISIS attack

Oh!! That's great news, isn't it? So the fellows taking over Mosul, Tikrit etc are the same ones fighting for Freedom From The Evil Assad-ul-Damacussi.

IOW, the ISSI are FRIENDS of the USA!! President Obama can rejoice in this great victory of State Department policy.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 12 Jun 2014 01:57

Have a look at this. It seems like the Arab Royals are using ISIS to take control of most of Iraq's oil reserves. This is going to haunt them. The purists aren't going to stop there. This is going to spill over.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 Jun 2014 02:40

RoyG wrote:[
Have a look at this. It seems like the Arab Royals are using ISIS to take control of most of Iraq's oil reserves. This is going to haunt them. The purists aren't going to stop there. This is going to spill over.

Question is, who have invested bigggg in these oil fields after Saddaam"s Viiscchaam?

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 12 Jun 2014 03:02

Arabs read sauds want to keep prices of oil high it suits them. Hence they will do anything to keep region burning as long as it suits them.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 12 Jun 2014 03:14

UB,"Igzackly!",as Obelix would've put it! And the Yanqui leader now wants that venerable camel,Malikki to "step up to the plate" to deal with ISIS! What utter camel crap.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... mosul-isis

White House calls on Iraq government to 'step up to the plate' over Mosul
US pressed Maliki to do more to address political concerns across Iraq after the fall of second-largest city to Isis extremists

The Saudi monarchy must be quivering in their 10* tents.Never in their wildest nightmares could they have thought that this would happen.The only force in the ME now which can stop the ungodlies are the Iranians.This is the equivalent of Yellowstone erupting!
It's Baghdad or bust for ISIS.Time for the (Iranian) cavalry to arrive.

The Brits are now counting their "sacrifices" in vain,after ousting Saddam.He must be having a hearty laugh in the underworld!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
Iraq at risk of civil war as al-Qaeda pushes within distance of Baghdad
Fears of collapse of Iraqi state reignites debate over sacrifices made by Britain to topple Saddam Hussein[/b]

Iraq refugees: scarred and desparate, the families fleeing terror
Iraq crisis: the West now faces a world beyond known extremes

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 12 Jun 2014 03:38

Gulf Royals are controlling these guys and think that they will be able to keep them contained. This is going to backfire on them. They have adopted the same strategy of the PA. They will burn the entire region to get rid of the Shia's and Christians and think that their little bubble islamic utopia will prove impenetrable for the purer than pure islamists. The Turks are also going to get engulfed by this. Shyamd, where art thou? My my, he must be quite embarrassed that Obomba and his entire team f*cked up. Syria is going to be the Shia fortress on the Mediterranean and Iran in the East. This is quite good for us and this happening much faster than I had anticipated. This is the beginning of the end of the royal families. Piss be upon them.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 12 Jun 2014 03:41

Ramanaji, look at this.

http://www.charlesduelfer.com/blog/?p=244

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 12 Jun 2014 03:42

Looks like it is a free for all battle now, with the Kurds joining in the fun.

http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/11062014

ERBIL, Kurdistan Region – Fighting between the Islamic militants and the Iraqi army has spilled into small towns and villages of Kirkuk, Kurdish military leaders confirmed, as they vowed to defend the province’s Kurdish areas “with the last drop of our blood.”

After the blitzkrieg capture of Mosul, Iraq’s second city in Nineveh province, the al-Qaeda splinter Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has pressed on with attacks against Iraqi troops, seizing control of more areas northwest of the country.

Fighting was reported mainly in the rural areas and small towns of Kirkuk, where large swathes of “disputed territories” are claimed both by Baghdad and the autonomous Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG), and where the Kurdish Peshmarga forces have a strong military presence.

Brigadier Sarhad Qadir, chief of Kirkuk’s suburban police, confirmed that ISIS fighters are engaged in street battles with Iraqi forces in the Sunni city of Hawija.

“The ISIS has taken part of the city but security forces are still there, too,” he said.

As part of defensive plans, on Tuesday thousands of Peshmarga forces were deployed in the Kurdish city of Tuz Khurmatu, south of Kirkuk.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jun 2014 03:48

RoyG, Thanks. Yes timeline is compressing fast. Please post the text as cant access the guy's site. That claim for monetary support in London will bring down the KSA a notch or two.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 12 Jun 2014 07:24

So who is arming the ISIS? Putin The All-Purpose BugaBoo? Cyain't be the Eyeranians, hain? These are Sunnis all the way. Israel, perhaps? China, probably? North Korea? Pakistan? KSA is after all a FIEND of the USA.

Silly me! Of course it's the AMERICAN TAXPAYER! Look at all those Humveees, Apaches, pretty soon F-15s being gifted by the Iraqi Army to the ISIS. Now these guys need to link up with the Kenyan Al Qaeda and the Boko Haram and their relatives in Mali, and (drumroll!!!)

The Westside Boys of Sierra Leone

to whom the British Marines all surrendered without a fight.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 Jun 2014 07:38

Its Nau Gyarah Badla, nothing left to destroy in Af. Now slowly comes the turn of real culprits, financiers, operational and ideological backers. Here comes the Turn, Burn Baby Burn.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 12 Jun 2014 07:52

To recap: Assad is wiping out all except the ISIS in Syria. Taliban is resurgent in Afghanistan. Lashkar-e-Toiba/ ISI is trashing Pakistan, even international airports. Libya is firmly in ISIS hands. Egypt is trashed. Crimea is Putinistan. PRC is buying up what it cannot steal in the US and Oirope. NoKO is doing

as usual.

All in all, a great year for POTUS BO and the SDOTUS, while the COTUS fiddles with its mijjiles unable to pass any laws.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 12 Jun 2014 09:55

The cancer must spread to the the entire gulf region. Iran is the only country that will prevent the link up with Afghanistan and Pakistan. We have to make sure that Iran and Afghanistan don't fall. Russia and China will do almost all the heavy lifting. Modi is going to have to speed up the dharmic reunification process. We will need the entire neighborhood under one umbrella should an Islamic secessionist movement take off within the country.

habal · Post by **habal** » 12 Jun 2014 10:30

vishvak wrote:This is what I read about ISIS attacks:
ø 500,000 fled Mosul alone. Kurds helping out as much as possible.
ø Some helicopters, fighter jets, humvees, ammunition etc. under ISIS control
ø gas fields and oilfields under attack
ø About 400million $ fall in hands of ISIS
ø North eastern Iraq and southern Syria under ISIS attack

So there can be deniable use of 'fighter jets' and 'helicopters' launched from Iraq against Assad in Syria. This is backed by UNKIL/OiRO/SAUDIS all the way. After Bandar Bush was poisoned in Saudi after his mission to topple Assad failed, and he was shown the green flag to 72 houris, this is what the revised strategy of the UNKIL/SAUDI war machine has thought up. Now there can be deniable air-attacks on Iran and Syria using ISIS assets in Mosul.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 12 Jun 2014 10:57

Russia, China, Afghanistan, and Pakistan won't let Iran fall. Israel will be the only one standing in the sea of fire. The US and Saudis will try to use ISIS to spread through the Caucasus and slowly chip away at Russia and hopefully into the central Asian republics and link up with Xing Xiang.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 12 Jun 2014 11:37

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/11/world ... ?hpt=hp_t1

How is all this tied to Syria?

ISIS grew out of al Qaeda in Iraq. In the west of Iraq, its militants were responsible for killing and maiming many U.S. troops. In 2006, their commander -- the bloodthirsty Abu Musab al-Zarqawi -- was killed in a U.S. strike.

In the years afterward, with American help, Iraqi tribal militias put the al Qaeda upstart on the defensive.

But when U.S. troops left, the extremist militants found new leadership, went to Syria, grew stronger and returned to Iraq, making military gains often off the backs of the foreign fighters drawn to Syria's conflict.

Now the group has footholds in both countries and is blamed for destabilizing both.

In Syria, where its forces have clashed with other Islamist groups, observers say the internecine fighting has played into the hands of Bashar al-Assad's regime by distracting rival factions from their campaign against the Syrian military.

What does this mean for Iraq?

While Iraq is plagued by multiple daily car bombings and suicide attacks, the sheer scale of the attack on Mosul -- and the brewing humanitarian crisis tied to it -- bodes ill for the country's stability.

According to the United Nations, last year was Iraq's most violent in five years, with more than 8,800 people killed, most of them civilians.

Already this year, almost half a million people have been displaced from their homes in central Anbar province by fighting between the same extremist group and government forces.

One major reason Mosul made headlines is how swiftly the city, to all intents and purposes, fell.

What does this mean for the United States and the West?

The last U.S. military forces left Iraq at the end of 2011, after nearly nine years of deadly and divisive war in the country.

Talks that might have allowed a continued major military presence broke down amid disputes about whether U.S. troops would be immune to prosecution by Iraqi authorities.

Iraq's security forces, trained by the United States at a cost of billions of dollars, have proved unable to dislodge the militants from strongholds in Anbar province and have now been routed in Mosul.

The result seems likely to be continued or growing instability in Iraq and the wider region.

This, at a time when the global economy is recovering, could have an unwelcome impact on oil markets.

There's also concern that foreign fighters with ISIS may go back to their native countries, in Europe and elsewhere, and carry out terror attacks there. That worry was heightened last month by the shooting deaths of four people at a Jewish Museum in Belgium; the suspect, according to French officials, recently spent a year in Syria and is a radicalized Islamist.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 12 Jun 2014 14:40

Bring on the clowns! Perfect buffoon for choice as ambassador.

Nominee for US ambassador to Iraq hopeful about country's security
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... -situation

The outgoing and incoming US ambassadors to Iraq painted a hopeful picture of the security situation in the country on Wednesday, saying that the Baghdad government was summoning a coalition of forces to oppose an aggressive military incursion by the most radical group to have emerged in the Syrian civil war.

Fighters under the banner of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (Isis) on Wednesday moved swiftly into the city of Tikrit, just 95 miles north of Baghdad, after seizing Mosul, Iraq’s second-largest city, a day before. Hundreds of thousands of residents have fled Isis’s advance.

“Although the news from Mosul is very bad, I think one positive aspect from this may be that the groups are indeed coming together to address this challenge,” Stuart E Jones, President Barack Obama’s nominee to be the US ambassador to Iraq, told a Senate committee. “At least we’re seeing signs of that in the last 24 hours.”

Jones did not describe the details of the purported cooperation. Iraqi security forces were photographed on Tuesday shedding their uniforms and fleeing the Isis assault. Sectarian bloodshed in Iraq has spiked since parliamentary elections in April.

Will he also have to flee one day from the rooftop of his embassy just as they did in Saigon?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 12 Jun 2014 16:33

An interesting map about where the ISIS is gaining in Iraq and Syria.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014 ... l-map.html

The next stops for the ISIS on their way to Baghdad will be Samarra and Baiji (Baiji also controls (part of) the power supply to Baghdad I think). Let us see if the Eyeraqee armee does manage to put up a half decent fight, shall we?

On that note, I thought that the NE of Syria (Everything east of Hasakah) was Kurdish. I haven't been following up on this news much, but have the Kurds in Syria been defeated by ISIS?

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 12 Jun 2014 16:51

It seems one more Sharia region is born through ISIS. KSA has oil to support it Sharia and for a brief period Afgan through donors and drugs.

What will do ISIS to support Sharia, which legitimate govt will buy their oil.

From Twitter: Jenan Moussa @jenanmoussa:
- ISIS has published its first set of new rules for the province of #Nineveh. In following tweets I will translate highlights. (1/11) @akhbar
- ISIS rules: For those asking who R u? We R soldiers of Islam &took on our responsibility to bring back glory of the Islamic Caliphate. 2/ 11
- ISIS rules: Money we took from Safavid govnmnt is now public. Only Imam of Muslims can spend it. Any1 who steals hand will be cut. (3/11)
- ISIS rules: We ask all Muslims to perform prayers on time in the mosques ( 4/11)
- ISIS rules: We warn tribal leaders and Sheikhs not to “work with government and be traitors.” (5/11)
- ISIS rules: No drugs, no alcohol and no cigarettes allowed. (6/11)
- ISIS rules: For the police, soldiers &other kafir institutions, u can repent. We opened special places that will allow you to repent. (7/11)
- ISIS rules: Gatherings, carrying flags (other than that of Islamic state) &carrying guns not allowed. God ordered us to stay united. (8/11)
- ISIS rules: Our position on Shrines and graves is clear. All to be destroyed basically. (9/11)
- ISIS rules: For women, dress decently and wear wide clothes. Only go out if needed. (10/11)
- ISIS rules: Ppl u tried secular rulings (republic, Baathist, Safavides) &it pained u. Now is time 4 Islamic state Imam Abu Bakr El Qurashi.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 12 Jun 2014 17:10

The Iranian stooge who is the prime minister of Iraq is now calling for US help after he told US troops to leave Iraq. Why not get some help from his Iranian chums? They can't cut the mustard, that's why.

The US will probably wind up sending some special forces and some Air Force forward observers/shot callers and bomb the living f**k out of the place. But we're going to get terms from the Iraqi/Iranian political goon squad before we do it. It's going to cost them one way or another. No more political BS from them and their support for Assad. Bunch of horse s**t. Either do what we say or root hog or die. period.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 12 Jun 2014 17:43

I see its all going as per the Grand Plan.

first the forces of the Mahdi march on Baghdad.
the korrupt shia stooge iraqi national army desertions have already started
Maliqi and his clique flee to teheran or virginia or wherever deposed amriki puppets retire
the US kills everyone
the US installs this time a sunni "strongman" to control ISIS, direct its fires on Assad only and put a lid on it.
strongman puts his boot on the shias
the shias start their insurgency in the south

this sunni strongman will bring history full circle and be Saddam v.2

but in between a few million iraqis got killed and amrika spent a few trillion on stimulating his defence industry and cash transfer from public funds to the mil-ind/contractor/lobbyist complex

satya · Post by **satya** » 12 Jun 2014 19:00

Who ordered these two divisions to retreat? Was it only money or there's an intra-shia political rivalrly at play here ?

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 12 Jun 2014 19:16

TSJones wrote:The Iranian stooge who is the prime minister of Iraq is now calling for US help after he told US troops to leave Iraq. Why not get some help from his Iranian chums? They can't cut the mustard, that's why.

The US will probably wind up sending some special forces and some Air Force forward observers/shot callers and bomb the living f**k out of the place. But we're going to get terms from the Iraqi/Iranian political goon squad before we do it. It's going to cost them one way or another. No more political BS from them and their support for Assad. Bunch of horse s**t. Either do what we say or root hog or die. period.

So US troops left because Iraq asked them to leave? No body asked them to come to Iraq in first place.

There was this British Gen XYZ on BBC today advocating division of Iraq in three parts......true to British traditions.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 12 Jun 2014 19:45

TSJones wrote:The Iranian stooge who is the prime minister of Iraq is now calling for US help after he told US troops to leave Iraq. Why not get some help from his Iranian chums? They can't cut the mustard, that's why.

The US will probably wind up sending some special forces and some Air Force forward observers/shot callers and bomb the living f**k out of the place. But we're going to get terms from the Iraqi/Iranian political goon squad before we do it. It's going to cost them one way or another. No more political BS from them and their support for Assad. Bunch of horse s**t. Either do what we say or root hog or die. period.

Well genius, maybe you apathetic citizens of the US shouldn't have stupidly rooted for the invasion of Iraq in the first place. In 2003 it was obvious to anyone with half a brain that the WMD justification was a sham. It was also quite obvious the looming invasion was nothing but a cynical power play and that the only ones benefiting would be the US military industrial complex and companies like Haliburton, Kellog-Brown-Root, etc.

If you weren't openly and loudly against the Iraq war back in 2002 and early 2003 when it might have mattered, then frankly you have no right to complain about anything at this point. What you actually need is a good dose of humility. And guilt, for the 20,000+ American troops that were either killed or permanently disabled and\or disfigured, because of the stupidity and arrogance of the American citizenry. You failed to exercise even the minimum critical thinking skills and went right along with your gov'ts obvious lies. The deaths and suffering of those US troops are on your hands, and yes, somebody you American taxpayers will also have to pay back that $3 trillion your gov't blew in Iraq (with interest). And let's not even get into the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who've died as a result of your war.

So yes, maybe you should try some introspection for once.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 12 Jun 2014 20:08

TSJones wrote:The Iranian stooge who is the prime minister of Iraq is now calling for US help after he told US troops to leave Iraq. Why not get some help from his Iranian chums? They can't cut the mustard, that's why.

The US will probably wind up sending some special forces and some Air Force forward observers/shot callers and bomb the living f**k out of the place. But we're going to get terms from the Iraqi/Iranian political goon squad before we do it. It's going to cost them one way or another. No more political BS from them and their support for Assad. Bunch of horse s**t. Either do what we say or root hog or die. period.

Dear TSJones, All the best to America. Please get involved in this theater ASAP. Our blessings are with you. And do not limit yourself to SF and USAF. You guys need to launch full fledged conventional units in Iraq.

Thank you God for creating America.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jun 2014 20:20

TSJ, You should not venture into threads beyond your ken. There is enough entertainment already.
So STF* and watch and learn how not to mess up.
thanka,
ramana

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 12 Jun 2014 20:37

..
There was this British Gen XYZ on BBC today advocating division of Iraq in three parts......true to British traditions.

What happened to supporting only exactly 'moderate' factions. (It is not about oil).

Was it the moderate faction that overran Musul and then turned not exactly moderate overnight? And what about those who bankroll jihadis - do they have to be moderate to qualify to support moderate ISIS ( till overnight miraculous turning to not exactly moderate).

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 12 Jun 2014 20:53

the ISIS Mahdi seems to be called Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi.

he's coming home I guess.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 12 Jun 2014 21:07

darshhan wrote:Dear TSJones, All the best to America. Please get involved in this theater ASAP. Our blessings are with you. And do not limit yourself to SF and USAF. You guys need to launch full fledged conventional units in Iraq.

Thank you God for creating America.

Why Jee , the Iraq people has suffered enough during American Occupation and much more when they left it in bigger mess than Saddam was ...now why repeat the same cycle of suffering for them.

Probably the Iraqi people are much better off under ISIS then Western occupation

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Jun 2014 04:56

Iraq crisis: Sunni caliphate has been bankrolled by Saudi Arabia
Bush and Blair said Iraq was a war on Islamic fascism. They lost

Robert Fisk
Thursday 12 June 2014
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ira ... 33396.html

So after the grotesquerie of the Taliban and Osama bin Laden and 15 of the 19 suicide killers of 9/11, meet Saudi Arabia’s latest monstrous contribution to world history: the Islamist Sunni caliphate of Iraq and the Levant, conquerors of Mosul and Tikrit – and Raqqa in Syria – and possibly Baghdad, and the ultimate humiliators of Bush and Obama.

From Aleppo in northern Syria almost to the Iraqi-Iranian border, the jihadists of Isis and sundry other groupuscules paid by the Saudi Wahhabis – and by Kuwaiti oligarchs – now rule thousands of square miles.

Apart from Saudi Arabia’s role in this catastrophe, what other stories are to be hidden from us in the coming days and weeks?

The story of Iraq and the story of Syria are the same – politically, militarily and journalistically: two leaders, one Shia, the other Alawite, fighting for the existence of their regimes against the power of a growing Sunni Muslim international army.

While the Americans support the wretched Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and his elected Shia government in Iraq, the same Americans still demand the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad of Syria and his regime, even though both leaders are now brothers-in-arms against the victors of Mosul and Tikrit.

The Croesus-like wealth of Qatar may soon be redirected away from the Muslim rebels of Syria and Iraq to the Assad regime, out of fear and deep hatred for its Sunni brothers in Saudi Arabia (which may invade Qatar if it becomes very angry).

We all know of the “deep concern” of Washington and London at the territorial victories of the Islamists – and the utter destruction of all that America and Britain bled and died for in Iraq. No one, however, will feel as much of this “deep concern” as Shia Iran and Assad of Syria and Maliki of Iraq, who must regard the news from Mosul and Tikrit as a political and military disaster. Just when Syrian military forces were winning the war for Assad, tens of thousands of Iraqi-based militants may now turn on the Damascus government, before or after they choose to advance on Baghdad.

No one will care now how many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been slaughtered since 2003 because of the fantasies of Bush and Blair. These two men destroyed Saddam’s regime to make the world safe and declared that Iraq was part of a titanic battle against “Islamofascism”. Well, they lost. Remember that the Americans captured and recaptured Mosul to crush the power of Islamist fighters. They fought for Fallujah twice. And both cities have now been lost again to the Islamists. The armies of Bush and Blair have long gone home, declaring victory.

Under Obama, Saudi Arabia will continue to be treated as a friendly “moderate” in the Arab world, even though its royal family is founded upon the Wahhabist convictions of the Sunni Islamists in Syria and Iraq – and even though millions of its dollars are arming those same fighters. Thus does Saudi power both feed the monster in the deserts of Syria and Iraq and cosy up to the Western powers that protect it.

We should also remember that Maliki’s military attempts to retake Mosul are likely to be ferocious and bloody, just as Assad’s battles to retake cities have proved to be. The refugees fleeing Mosul are more frightened of Shia government revenge than they are of the Sunni jihadists who have captured their city.

We will all be told to regard the new armed “caliphate” as a “terror nation”. Abu Mohamed al-Adnani, the Isis spokesman, is intelligent, warning against arrogance, talking of an advance on Baghdad when he may be thinking of Damascus. Isis is largely leaving the civilians of Mosul unharmed.

Finally, we will be invited to regard the future as a sectarian war when it will be a war between Muslim sectarians and Muslim non-sectarians. The “terror” bit will be provided by the arms we send to all sides.

PS:Anyone for having tea in Cafe Ukraine what?! The hottest and most exciting spot on the planet for a cuppa is surely Baghdad now.One is sure to see a host of foreign "tourists" making their way into the region in the wake of the ISIS eruption.
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, surely as his name indicates ,will want to squat victorious in Baghdad.

Is he the one Nostradamus predicted who will hold sway over a massive Islamic army that will threaten Jerusalem and Europe as well?
Only time will tell.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 13 Jun 2014 12:24

Iraq is going to break into pieces. These jihadis are a dream come true. Sh*t will really hit the fan when they embolden jihadis in Pakistan and India. They know the Americans wont do sh*t. Obama is tired of being President. You can see it in his eyes. His message to the press regarding options didn't inspire any confidence. Watch out for an extreme jihadi group emerging in India. We so far haven't seen the use of suicide bombers in India and fidayeen attacks on military installations, and temples on a mass scale in India. We will really be in a tough position if an islamist movement within India picks up steam.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 13 Jun 2014 15:50

It will very good if ISIS now targets southern Turkey other than Kurdish areas. That will cause a ssudden earthquake.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 13 Jun 2014 15:54

Aditya_V wrote:It will very good if ISIS now targets southern Turkey other than Kurdish areas. That will cause a ssudden earthquake.

ISIS has no hope of breaking the Turkish army, unless Erdogan decides to bring down the secularists in the army another couple of notches (but would he invite ISIS for it?). Unlike the two bit militia thugs that the rest of the armies in the region are, the Turkish army is a very professional, very capable force. They can defend themselves eminently. Also, I doubt if the Turks will want these (mostly) Arab hooligans inside their borders.