Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2016

[member_29058]

Burkha Dutt is not impressed and never speaks about this. But she is very concerned that Hindus don't let women menstruating into temples.

[Gagan]

I have been watching one of the Paki talk show by accident where Panama pappers were discused and one PML-N ex general guy was telling that he have 400 % proof that it is Yanki-Yehud conspiracy

Please post a link here or in the TSP multimedia thread Jash-ji.

[partha]

Pakistani Christian woman sentenced to hang for blasphemy makes last appeal
Posted in Full

Asia Bibi, a 50-year-old mother-of-five has been on death row since 2010 after being convicted of insulting Islam's Prophet Muhammad during an argument

I like this style of adding "Islam's" before "Prophet Mohammed" and no PBUH.

[SSridhar]

Former Pak. diplomat reveals secret meets to acquire nuclear technology from Europe - Kallol Bhattacharjee, The Hindu

One of Pakistan’s best-known diplomats has given an unprecedented account of how his country clandestinely built its nuclear arsenal using its diplomatic network in Europe.

In “ Cover Point: Impressions of Leadership in Pakistan ,” an autobiographical account of Pakistan’s politicians, retired diplomat Jamsheed Marker, 94, says: “This exercise involved a bit of James Bond stuff, and I remember Ikram and myself meeting characters, genuine and shady in tiny cafes tucked away in obscure villages deep in the beautiful Swiss and German countryside.”

Mr. Marker served as Pakistan’s Ambassador to the Federal Republic of Germany between 1980-82, when the meetings took place, which led to Pakistan acquiring sensitive technology from European firms for its nuclear weapons programme.

“The Embassy had a Procurement Department [the nomenclature really fooled nobody] headed by a most able officer of Minister rank named Ikram Khan, who was seconded from our nuclear establishment headed by Dr A.Q. Khan. Ikram was a superb officer, knowledgeable, low-key and efficient, and went about his sensitive job with the combination of initiative and discretion that were its primary requirements,” writes Mr. Marker.

Mr. Marker’s disclosure sheds light on a wide array of willing partners from among firms in Europe who were willing to partner Pakistan’s quest for nuclear weapons, for a price. Mr. Marker, who worked directly under supervision of Gen Zia ul Haq, played a peripheral role as the “Procurement Department” operated under a cloak of secrecy. Mr. Marker, served for three decades in various important embassies of Pakistan but reached the most successful phase of his career with his back-to-back appointments as Pakistani Ambassador to Bonn, Paris, and Washington DC during the tenure of Gen Zia (1977-1988).

Mr. Marker maintains that he admired the way, Gen Zia, (who became civilian President in 1985), diverted West’s attention while going all out for giving Pakistan its nuclear weapon. “I maintain a mild, amused contempt for the enthusiasm with which western industrial enterprises, in their pecuniary pursuits, conspired with us to evade their own governments’ law prohibiting all nuclear transfers to Pakistan,” he writes in what is the first account from one of Gen Zia’s key diplomats on the modus operandi adopted to build the nuclear bomb in Pakistan.

[shiv]

Disclaimer: If you start reading this post and its content starts looking idiotic/bizarre, just ignore it and move on. I apologize if I cause anyone to waste time. I write this in the context of "national cultures". there was recently a discussion of how "Japanese culture" is one of doing things collectively with mutual consent. We have also spoken of a Pakistani culture which we all know well. And there is an American culture in beliefe in American exceptionalism. But what about us? There is an Indian way

Just to recap a few things.

We all tend to remember very clearly that it was Pakistani terrorists who attacked Pathankot, or for that matter so many other places. What is forgotten is the way these attacks unfold and who gets blamed for incompetence, corruption etc along the way with each of these "stories" adding to the fog and confusion, keeping the blame off Pakistan until the investigations are over. Nothing extraordinary in this. All criminal acts - especially well planned ones happen under a cover of confusion that allows the planners a break to distance themselves from the event while the victims are busy blaming someone else.

But I see a peculiar Indian tendency here - a tendency to leave no stone unturned to get to the absolute truth, ruling out every other possibility, or alternatively not ruling out other possibilities (eg incompetence, traitors, anti-Muslim Indians) if we cannot get absolute confirmation. Even on this forum I have been discussing other topics both in the deterrence thread and the topic of Arihant/K-4 launch. In every case doubts have been expressed by people which are absolutely correct if you are looking for absolute truth and absolute confirmation. "Has India foregone its rights to reprocess for weapons" "Was a K-4 test really conducted?" "Was there a NOTAM warning?" "Is this reported parameter true?" "Is that true". In every case we have a tendency to dissect minutiae to convince ourselves that there are no lies being told and that we have grasped the final truth.

Contrast this with the way Iraq was invaded for having nuclear weapons. Or the way Benazir Bhuttos death was covered up. Or how both the Mumbai attacks and Pathankot were blamed on India by Pakistan, without batting an eyelid. Or the way Pakistan did a u-turn after JIT visit. On the other side in India, Batla house was alleged to be a lie by Indians. Ishrat Jahan was a lie by Indians. In Pathankot even we on BRF did not believe that there were 6 terrorists until DNA results were announced from bone fragments. I mean what difference would it have made if there had been 5 or 7. We have this "Ashwatthama is dead" type of attitude. Even when a story is sort of true, the chariot of the story teller no longer floats above the ground because he has told a half truth or a white lie. We simply do not accept that.

No one needs to believe me or agree with my assessment, but as a people Indians are not going to change. We are not going to act when we feel that there is a half-truth. People who act on half truths are seen as half liars in our culture. But the fact that they told half truths needs to be established beyond doubt. Right, now, long after the horse bolted, it has been established that half truths were told by Congress ministers about Batla house. Half truths were told by Chidambaram about Ishrat Jahan. Half truths were told about the coast guard boat killing incident. In India we expect half truths until the full truth is known, hence we do not act because committing an act on a half truth is adharma. It takes a lot to convince Indians that someone is not lying. We do not assume that Pakistanis are lying and that the Indian is telling the truth. We assume that either could be lies, until the truth is finally revealed by investigation and introspection. Even Congress has had "chintan shivir" and the BJP has "chintan baithaks" regularly. This is our national culture.

This Indian tendency comes with its problems. A Pakistani who reads India well will be able to continue terrorism forever because India will not act until the truth is known and accepted by all. On the other hand, if Pakistan is brazen enough for long enough so that the vast majority of Indians are "convinced of the truth", Pakistan will be finished. The reason I say this is because I sincerely believe that Indians will not support actions that kill others unless they are exposed to the "absolute truth with no doubt at all that the act of killing and destruction is necessary". Whether anyone likes this statement or not this is what our culture teaches us in a thousand stories and legends. If a majority of Indian support action against Pakistan, Pakistan will be toast. No mercy will be shown.

I predict that they are living on borrowed time. The have been asking for war. They will get it. If that war is fought with the full knowledge and support of the Indian people, Pakistan will end.

If you get this far and I have imposed on you in any way, pliss excyoos

[RoyG]

Indian gov is way stronger than it looks. The reason it doesn't act is b/c of blackmail and cash.

But like Shiv said, the elephant can only sleep for so long.

When it wakes up and charges the goat, eagle and dragon won't be able to stop it.

[Gus]

I like this style of adding "Islam's" before "Prophet Mohammed" and no PBUH.

It would annoy them as it undercuts the claim that the prophet is prophet for all semitics and the last of that line of ....Moses...., ...Jesus, mohd.

That is the reason for the kolaveri against qadianis as it questions finality of prophet

[hanumadu]

Disclaimer: If you start reading this post
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If you get this far and I have imposed on you in any way, pliss excyoos

Beautiful.

[Gagan]

^^^
Eggjacktly shiv saar
This asking for investigation-shinvestigation is all bakwaas!
Haramigiri needs to be brutally crushed, at the bud. India has to retaliate with a B'mos up the pak fauj's musharraf the moment there is an act of ch**tiyapa.
No covert-shovert business!!!
That fauj has to be paraded naked as being impotent.

Enough of enjoying at the discomfiture of the pakis, after diplomatic showbaazi. Time for real action.

[shiv]

Wise words from Parthasarathy
http://www.newindianexpress.com/magazin ... 367734.ece

Imaginative Diplomacy Not Enough to Counter Pak Army

By G Parthasarathy

Published: 09th April 2016 10:00 PM


Successive Prime Ministers of India have regularly received brickbats, with a few occasionally receiving bouquets, while dealing with Pakistan. Jawaharlal Nehru is vigorously criticised for taking the issue of Jammu and Kashmir to the UN and for agreeing readily to a ceasefire, while Indian forces were poised to advance further. Lal Bahadur Shastri won admiration for responding decisively to Pakistan’s attempts to seize J&K by force, by carrying the conflict across the border, into the very heart of Pakistan. Shastri died in Tashkent; apprehensive of the criticism he feared he would face, for agreeing to the withdrawal of Indian forces, from territories captured from Pakistan. Indira Gandhi, proclaimed as an incarnation of Durga, for decisively defeating Pakistan, liberating Bangladesh, holding 93,000 Pakistanis as Prisoners of War, is still criticised for withdrawing forces from captured territories, without obtaining a final settlement of the issue of J&K.

In more recent times, I K Gujral has been pilloried for being naïve on Pakistan and agreeing to what is now called the ‘Composite Dialogue Process’. Atal Bihari Vajpayee faced criticism for his handling of the hijacking of IC 814 to Kandahar and the diplomatic fiasco at the Agra Summit. Manmohan Singh was pilloried for his “surrender at Sharm el-Sheikh”. In his first two years in office, Narendra Modi has faced a barrage of criticism for what are said to be his flip-flops on dialogue with Pakistan and for some of his decisions, like allowing a Pakistani investigative team, which included ISI officials, to enter the strategic air base in Pathankot.

Having dealt with and lived for five years in Pakistan since the early 1980s, I have learned to understand the various factors and dynamics that determine the conduct of our relations with Pakistan. As the saying goes, “It takes two to tango.” We should be clear that for the foreseeable future, our relations with Pakistan are going to be adversarial, primarily because the Pakistani military apparatus, which rules the country, finds such a relationship with India essential to retain effective power in the unfortunate country. Try as Modi may want, this dynamic is not going to change anytime soon. The military establishment in Rawalpindi will wait till Indian and international memory on the Pathankot attack fades, like it has done in the case of terrorist attacks in Mumbai, in 1993 and 2008. It will take some token action like arresting some foot soldiers of the Jaish-e-Mohammed. But, after using China’s support to prevent the UN from declaring Maulana Masood Azhar as an international terrorist, Pakistan will certainly not take any serious action against this favourite son-in-law of its military. Infiltration and terrorist violence will pick up when snows melt in July on the Himalayas.

Prime Minister Modi surely knows all this. The government will, therefore, continue its present charade to persuade the world that Modi has spared no effort to mend ties with Pakistan. In the meantime, one hopes that we are carefully studying the domestic situation in Pakistan. The Pakistan Army is, for the first time, carrying out operations in all four of the country’s provinces. While India continues its process of “diplomatic engagement” with Pakistan on issues like terrorism, it will be well advised to signal “moral” and other support to the people of Pakistan, now facing repression from the Army, particularly in Karachi, Baluchistan and the Pashtun tribal areas bordering Afghanistan, where army operations have led to nearly one million people fleeing their homes. We will also have to be prepared for a robust response, when the Himalayan snows melt and infiltration increases across the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir. Imaginative diplomacy and talks have to be accompanied by effective measures on the ground, if the Pakistan military establishment is to be compelled to see reason.

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[partha]

When Modi's win became almost certain in the run up to the 2014 polls, his usual detractors ran a campaign against him trying to project him as fascist, Hindu extremist war monger who will go to war with Pakistan because of his hatred for Muslims and plunge the "South Asian" region into darkness. So I think it was a good move on his part to extend a hand of friendship to Pakistan even though he very well knew it was useless. Pakistan being Pakistan carried out multiple terror attacks while the whole world took notice of Modi's attempts at making peace. His diplomacy with Pak forced even Congress and AAP to take nationalistic position , the same position which when BJP takes, the media calls warmongering. Surely, we didn't expect Modi to attack Pakistan on May 16th 2014 to take revenge for 26/11 attacks? If Modi had taken the hardline position against Pak from day 1, he would have walked right into the trap set by his opponents. Maybe he overdid the diplomacy stuff but no one can fault Modi now for not trying. There are still 3 more years before the next election. Let's wait and see how his approach to Pakistan evolves.

To repeat a story from Mahabharata:

When Krishna goes to Hastinapura for shanti sandhana as an ambassador of Pandavas, Vidura asks him why he bothered to come to Hastinapura with a peace proposal since Duryodhana is adamant and will never agree for peace. Krishna tells Vidura that he very well knows Duryodhana will not agree to peace and that's the reason he came with the peace proposal! He tells Vidura they both know how Duryodhana will respond to peace proposal but the rest of the world doesn't know and that in future no one should say Krishna did not try to stop the war.

[wig]

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... in-poonch/

Pakistan violates ceasefire, resorts to unprovoked mortar shelling in Poonch

"There had been unprovoked ceasefire violation by the Pakistani Army in Shahpur area of Poonch sector,’’ said a Defence Ministry spokesperson Lt Colonel Manish Mehta.
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After a lull of nearly six months, Pakistani troops resorted to unprovoked mortar shelling on the Indian side along the Line of Control (LoC) in Poonch sector during the wee hours of Sunday. “There had been unprovoked ceasefire violation by the Pakistani Army in Shahpur area of Poonch sector,’’ said a Defence Ministry spokesperson Lt Colonel Manish Mehta. “The exchange of mortar fire and automatics continued from about midnight to 0430 hours,’’ he said, adding that the Indian Army “responded appropriately’’. There was no casualty or damage on the side of the Indian troops, he added
Significantly, it has been after nearly six months that LoC in Poonch have become alive, as there had been incidents of intermittent firing by the Pakistani troops in the area during September last year. Nearly a dozen people had been killed and three dozen others injured between July-September last year in unprovoked firing and mortar shelling from across the border which had been started after Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had met PM Narendra Modi at Ufa and reiterated his government’s resolve to fight terror and have friendly relations with India. A day after Director Generals of BSF and Chenab Rangers had a meeting in New Delhi on September 12 agreeing to maintain ceasefire between themselves, a BSF official was killed in a snippet fire from across the LoC in Manjakote area of Rajouri district

[partha]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1081983/att ... s-inquiry/

Attack on Hamid Mir: Charges against ISI were based on assumptions, says inquiry

Of course. Based on assumption that there is something called ISI in Pakistan?

[RajeshA]

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... in-poonch/

Pakistan violates ceasefire, resorts to unprovoked mortar shelling in Poonch

"There had been unprovoked ceasefire violation by the Pakistani Army in Shahpur area of Poonch sector,’’ said a Defence Ministry spokesperson Lt Colonel Manish Mehta.

India is Hanuman, not really aware of his own strength. Now we see Pakistan putting Hanuman's Poonch on fire! Now let's see what kind of history Valmiki Modi writes!

[SSridhar]

I am sure that there will be disproportionate retaliation by the BSF/IA. This is something that is now institutionalized by the Modi government.

But, why is PA/Rangers firing at us now? Is it linked with the PAFB, RAW Agent Yadav, and the stoppage of talks etc? Or, is PA sending a signal to the US on the proximity developing with Carter's visit? Or, a combination of all of these?

[SSridhar]

Pakistan probe team’s visit divides NDA - Nistula Hebbar, The Hindu

The Union government’s decision to allow Pakistan’s Joint Investigation Team into the Pathankot airbase has evoked different responses from two oldest allies of the ruling National Democratic Allianec. The Shiv Sena has said the decision reflects a “fatal obsession” of “every Indian Prime Minister”.

“This government has turned blind to Pakistan’s intentions, and Pakistan’s High Commissioner Abdul Basit’s remarks reflect how deluded the Indian government is over the question of engaging with Pakistan,” Shiv Sena MP Sanjay Raut said. “Hafiz Sayyed took responsibility within 24 hours of the attack. What is the Indian government waiting for? Whoever becomes the Prime Minister, they immediately become obsessed with Pakistan and how to engage with it despite grave provocations. I didn’t expect it from this government, but it too seems to be going down the same road,” he said. But the Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD) holds an opposite view. Its Rajya Sabha member Naresh Gujral, the son of the former Prime Minister Inder Kumar Gujral, told The Hindu that his party fully “supports the government’s efforts to engage with Pakistan. “Parties in the south or in the west may feel differently, but we are a border State [Punjab] and we are invested in good relations with Pakistan …,” he said.

[Shaktimaan]

First the Porkis declare that peace talks are suspended, now they have resumed shelling on the border.

These actions have come at a time when the Paki domestic political scene is especially volatile, with the Pious attack in Lahore and subsequent military action.

Are the Pakis doing this to rachet up tensions with India, to divert attention away from their miserable ecoony and security scene?

In that case MAD will have to use all their Chankian bania-giri to make sure we pay them back in such a covert manner that no political mileage can be gained by them.

[Lisa]

IMHO,

India is not the first nation, in recent history, to face an enemy against which it processes overwhelming superiority but nevertheless has costs to incur both human and otherwise that make a military option somewhat unattractive. A simple example would be the US with its response to Iran and North Korea where to has successfully strangulated these nations to a point where they have been forced to reach an alternate solution via negotiation, like Iran or a virtual internal collapse like North Korea. I do not quite understand why virtually all options regarding pukistan that are being discussed involve a military solution and none an economic one. War can only be an option when all else has failed. Has all else even been tried?

Please understand that I personally feel that there is no room for negotiations with pukistan and more so do not quite understand why their diplomatic presence is being permitted in India whilst Indians are dying at their hands. Sequestrate their ability to finance the misery they cause us first.

[member_22733]

Those options are not available to us because of fourfathers.

We are indirectly in a cold war with massa and his britshit poodle

[Lisa]

We constantly underrate ourselves and look over our shoulders at what others think and say. India is no longer a PL40 nation. Bite the bullet and start acting. Ban an entity or two for dealings with pukistan and then deal with the consequences. For heaven's sake start somewhere. Till this date we look at an american government to identify pukistan a terrorist nation. Why them and not us? Give me one reason why in your own country you require a foreigners word rather than your own to call an enemy an enemy.

[SSridhar]

. . . I do not quite understand why virtually all options regarding pukistan that are being discussed involve a military solution and none an economic one. War can only be an option when all else has failed. Has all else even been tried?

Lisa, One approach to unravel this enduring conflict is to study it in two ways, either in a theoretical conflict analysis framework or in an empirical analysis based on facts.

While theoretical foundations of conflict analysis look at mainly two approaches, namely ‘punctuated equilibrium’ or ‘evolutionary approaches’, it is my feeling that the Indo-Pak conflict may not lend itself to be rigorously explained by any one of them. It may indeed overlap these two approaches. In the former case of ‘punctuated equilibrium’, a certain conflictual equilibrium, a baseline, is established between the two contending parties and further conflicts or peace overtures take place periodically around this equilibrium. There is an initial ‘shock’ that sets up the conflict, followed by the ‘equilibrium’, followed later by termination or continuation of the conflict. In the latter case of ‘evolutionary approach’, it is the strength or the weakness of the initial militarized conflict that defines the contours of the subsequent state of conflict.

Under normal circumstances, the preponderant state, in this case India, should have been able to set the course for the conflict and probably should have brought it to a quick conclusion. Usually, the conflict prolongs, interminably in some cases, only when the two opposing states are equally poised. In the India-Pakistan situation, India was (and oncreasingly so in the last two decades) far superior to Pakistan in almost every factor that can be set to define the strength of the nation, namely, demographic (National and Urban Population), production of Iron and Steel, military strength and expenditure, and energy consumption. These six variables define one measure of the capability of a nation, the Composite Index of National Capability (CINC). The overall CIN Capability has been consistently at a 4:1 ratio in favour of India at a minimum and even reaching a 7:1 ratio at times and yet India was unable to translate such a superiority into a tangible resolution of its conflict. The status quo power, India, has generally tended to allow the revisionist power Pakistan to set the agenda for the conflict and has been satisfied with being merely reactive, thus defying the generally accepted principles of conflict resolution. Pakistan has always mistaken such an Indian attitude as cowardly and has launched misadventures that generally brought it only misery. But, India was also unwilling to ruthlessly follow-up on its adverasry's misery to terminate the conflict. Is that myopic, or our culture or incapacity or anything else or all of these is debatable. There will be truth in each one of them, IMHO.

Now, coming back to your question, 'why not means other than war', that is exactly the point I have also been making for a long time. I presume that Indian leadership has not concluded yet that Pakistan is incorrigible and the time has come to go at the jugular (why only Pakistan must use that 'jugular' word, 'Shah-e-Rag'? ). I think (and I hope) that once that decision is made all kinds of pressure will be brought to bear upon Pakistan, from cultural, economic, diplomatic to military etc. points. There is no point in arguing that we have to have this much of GDP or that much of military capacity or a permanent UNSC seat etc before we can think of strangulating Pakistan because that is a shifting goal post and we may always be falling short for various reasons, prolonging our agony. However, IMHO again, we have crossed that threshold of decision on Pakistan in c. 1984. We have given that abominable artificial piece of real estate calling itself a country a very long grace time suffering ourselves immeasurably in the meanwhile. If we want to aspire for a great-power status commensurate with our size, we cannot do that by acting like a piece of sponge absorbing every blow without visible retaliation, not only military but also the whole spectrum. Our reaction (inaction) cuts into our very future.

[Lisa]

This is an important day for me. None less that the authority in BRF has responded to a post of mine Furthermore, we appear to be in agreement. We should tabulate, grade and dissect the "whole spectrum" outside of the military remit.

[shiv]

But, why is PA/Rangers firing at us now?

The firing has started.

[Bhurishrava]

India is Hanuman, not really aware of his own strength. Now we see Pakistan putting Hanuman's Poonch on fire! Now let's see what kind of history Valmiki Modi writes!

This is getting a little too much. So i would like to put in my two paise too.
1. "The policy is not made by Modi" . You dont stop PMs flight midway in Lahore if he doesnt want to. So, yes, the responsibility of inviting paki investigation team lies with Modi.
2. "You prove to the world that Pakistanis are snakes" and "make them friendless". For how long this ridiculous `proving` will go on is aybody`s guess. I am sure we dont need successive govts to achieve this `proving`every five years.
3. "Modi is chankian and we dont know the whole thing". Same thing can be said about MMS or any other previous dumb PM too.
4. "Modi is out to woo the Indian Muslims and is changing his image". So, vote bank politics it is or domestic politics affecting foreign policy. Any which way, I dont see anyone voting for him in 2019 owing to his pak policy. There are bigger WKKs to vote for than Modi. I fail to see how he can outdo them.
5. "Modi doesnt/didnt have a choice". He sure didnt need to invite Paki investigation team.

Now, i am a BJP supporter. But I wont blindly call his stupidity chanakian. I will also vote for him next elections because there are bigger snakes and the other options are worse. But imho we arent doing any justice to our intellects by calling his `egg on the face` act by other names.
Regards.

[member_28860]

^+72

The reason is not too far to seek as explained by Gen. Katoch

http://www.firstpost.com/india/pathanko ... 70138.html

From the article: "India is being bled by Pak because a section of our polity is under ISI blackmail..."

A lot of BJP politicians are no different from Khangis, something that must have surprised even Modi after he got elected as PM. I have this feeling that ModiJi is feeling the pressure from members of his own party to go slow with the Pakis. Can't think of any other reason for this pusillanimity.

[SSridhar]

6.8 Earthquake strikes Pakistan

[shiv]

A great article by Sushant Sareen - stuff well known to most of us though..
http://epaper.deccanchronicle.com/artic ... id=5166757#

[shiv]

In the article posted above. Sushant Sareen makes the point that for the Pakistan army and jihadis, the deaths of Christians, Pathans and Baluchis and a continuing insurgency are a small price to pay for the overall goal of staying in power and opposing India.

In an article by Parthasarathy I posted earlier he points out that this is the first time the Pakistan army is handling insurgents in all 4 provinces, including Pakjab

Both suggest punishment of Pakistan...what makes Indian decision makers hesitate?

[member_28860]

Shiv wrote:

Both suggest punishment of Pakistan...what makes Indian decision makers hesitate?

In one word: HAWALA.
The ISI has got a lot of Indian decision maker nuts in their hands, and they get a nice squeeze once in a while. M.J. Akbar wrote a beautiful article once, where he mentioned that the parliament is one club, and once you get in each one is trying to watch each other's back.

[Falijee]

Musharaf's Links With Jihadis Exposed
" Sir, he is our man" !

[Falijee]

Imran Khan will address the nation from Bani Gala today

ISLAMABAD (Web Desk) – Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan will address the nation in regards to the Panama Leaks from Bani Gala today (Sunday) at 6pm.
Earlier, PTI wrote a letter to the management of state-run Pakistan Television (PTV) to allow him to address the nation using its platform but his request was not entertained.
PTI chief has requested private media to broadcast his address.
Pakistan Television rejected Imran Khan’s request to address the nation using its platform and Information Minister Pervaiz Rashid stated that only the President of the country and the Prime Minister have the authority to address the nation through PTV.
However, Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly (NA) Syed Khurshid Shah clarified that he did not back Khan’s demand to address the nation via PTV.

Guess Immy wanted to use government resources to criticize Badmash Sharif's Govt. As expected his request was obviously denied !

[A_Gupta]

PM Modi is likely doing what the international investment community wants him to do with respect to Pakistan. When he wants to dodge their pressure, then, e.g., this from January, he avoids international forums.
http://www.freepressjournal.in/narendra ... rif/763741

[shiv]

India is Hanuman, not really aware of his own strength. Now we see Pakistan putting Hanuman's Poonch on fire! Now let's see what kind of history Valmiki Modi writes!

This is getting a little too much. So i would like to put in my two paise too.
1. "The policy is not made by Modi" . You dont stop PMs flight midway in Lahore if he doesnt want to. So, yes, the responsibility of inviting paki investigation team lies with Modi.
2. "You prove to the world that Pakistanis are snakes" and "make them friendless". For how long this ridiculous `proving` will go on is aybody`s guess. I am sure we dont need successive govts to achieve this `proving`every five years.
3. "Modi is chankian and we dont know the whole thing". Same thing can be said about MMS or any other previous dumb PM too.
4. "Modi is out to woo the Indian Muslims and is changing his image". So, vote bank politics it is or domestic politics affecting foreign policy. Any which way, I dont see anyone voting for him in 2019 owing to his pak policy. There are bigger WKKs to vote for than Modi. I fail to see how he can outdo them.
5. "Modi doesnt/didnt have a choice". He sure didnt need to invite Paki investigation team.

Now, i am a BJP supporter. But I wont blindly call his stupidity chanakian. I will also vote for him next elections because there are bigger snakes and the other options are worse. But imho we arent doing any justice to our intellects by calling his `egg on the face` act by other names.
Regards.

The 2002 parliament attack was a time when there was widespread national support for action against Pakistan. That was not followed up and it's echoes are still visible with Kanhiaya and JNU. That was NDA/BJP/Vajpayee.

Another great opportunity was after 26/11 but no action was taken by MMS/UPA. The country was hopping mad.

With no insult coming anywhere near those two events in creating national anger I cannot see any PM - not even superhero Modi declaring war. The Pathankot attack caused shock and consternation - but Modi was just emerging from his "Will talk to Pakistan at any cost" mode.

The initiative is now with Pakistan. We have given the ball to them They have to attack us and insult us. Then we have to decide whether the insult is is bad enough for war. And unless the insult is on the Parliament attack/26-11 scale we are not going to see any overt action. Chai biskoot is all we can expect.

Speaking from my own reading of politics there will be no war unless there is broad national support. And broad national support in 2002 and 2008 were frittered away. Pakistan has now learned the art of "almost admitting guilt" and taking us for a ride - which is what happened with the Pathankot attack.

I repeat yet again that Pakistan is not a normal state, but is able to fool leaders of other nations into thinking that they behave in a normal rational manner. The support they get from diverse people in the US and India is astounding. And I repeat again that no matter how much we demand war, it will not happen as long as national leaders feel that there is rationality and goodness in Pakistan. I am banging my head against a brick wall trying to point out that Indian leaders simply do not understand Pakistan and the fact that the army needs punishment. And for saying this I get absolute idiotic messages - here are three private message I got on Twitter from god knows who.

So you too have drunk the kool aid that Modi is being chanakyan and that he should continue talks to win? So even brf has forsaken India

And how exactly do you think a govt which is going to allow women in combat in IA is acting with foresight/chanakyaness?

Lol. I saw your posts on brf stfup thread shiv. Very disappointing. Anyway, escapism cannot be beaten with arguments

duh? If demanding war on BRF was going to work then it should have worked by now - the number of times people have howled WAR! from 2001 onwards.

BRF is not going to make our leaders declare war. However if we can make our leaders understand the nature of Pakistan, then perhaps we can see a future set of leaders who will punish the Paki army as it needs to be punished. All that we seem to be good at is getting emotional

[shiv]

PM Modi is likely doing what the international investment community wants him to do with respect to Pakistan. When he wants to dodge their pressure, then, e.g., this from January, he avoids international forums.
http://www.freepressjournal.in/narendra ... rif/763741

I still don't believe that Modi meets Sharif for anything other than to signal to the opposition back at home that he is a man who wants peace. Modi may be clever in doing this but Pakistan is equally clever in titrating its insults to a level which does not cause the required outrage in India.

Hafiz Saeed was seen in a photo today swearing in members of some press club or something in Pakistan. Of course the US does not react to insult but it shows how little Pakistan cares about the reward that the US has placed on Hafiz Saeed's head. If this is how Pakistan acts towards its biggest sponsor, It would amaze me to think that Modi believes that Pakistan is rational and can be changed.

[A_Gupta]

Why Pakistan suspended talks? Time to put a gun to its own head, as the proverbial s*** hits the fan?

The Times of London reports:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world ... -c97jbm65v

A suspected Pakistani bomber linked to the Mumbai attacks in 2008 joined Isis’s plot to commit atrocities in Europe — one of scores of trained terrorists to arrive in the EU posing as refugees, The Sunday Times can reveal.

The revelations come from sources close to a multinational investigation who warn more “large-scale” assaults on European countries, including Britain, are “imminent”. Dozens of the Isis operatives are still at large.

Muhammad Ghani Usman, who investigators suspect is a veteran bomb maker for the Pakistani terrorist organisation Lashkar-e-Taiba, as well as a group called Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, has been detained near Salzburg, in...{paywall}

Upcoming:

1. Pakistan is a victim of terror, too.
2. F-solah is needed to fight terrorism.
3. Pakistan cannot end terrorism without settling core issue of J&K.
4. Muhammad Ghani Usman is RAW.
5. Muhammad Ghani Usman is seeking refugee status from Pakistani prosecution.
6. Muhammad Ghani Usman was arrested on an ISIS tip.
7. India neglected to share evidence about Muhammad Ghani Usman, thereby tying the hands of the Pakistani prosecution.
8. But India is ruled by a rabid Hindu nationalist party!
9. Innocent LeT members (with no affiliation to Malsi) are being radicalized by ISIS (which has no affiliation to Malsi). Muhammad Ghani Usman "defected" to ISIS.

[A_Gupta]

PM Modi is likely doing what the international investment community wants him to do with respect to Pakistan. When he wants to dodge their pressure, then, e.g., this from January, he avoids international forums.
http://www.freepressjournal.in/narendra ... rif/763741

I still don't believe that Modi meets Sharif for anything other than to signal to the opposition back at home that he is a man who wants peace. Modi may be clever in doing this but Pakistan is equally clever in titrating its insults to a level which does not cause the required outrage in India.

I'm saying the international investment community is probably as important an "constituency" as the opposition.

Hafiz Saeed was seen in a photo today swearing in members of some press club or something in Pakistan. Of course the US does not react to insult but it shows how little Pakistan cares about the reward that the US has placed on Hafiz Saeed's head. If this is how Pakistan acts towards its biggest sponsor, It would amaze me to think that Modi believes that Pakistan is rational and can be changed.

If the Sunday Times of London story above is true, and LeT is involved in the attacks in Europe, something is going to happen. Probably more of the same, that we've seen all through the years, but still, one can hope that something now is going to change.

[Gagan]

The way I see it and this has been stated by poster after poster over and over again, over several years.

Pakistani terrorism will NOT STOP until their senior officer cadre does not feel the pinch. These senior officers sit and order terror strikes, order the creation, funding and running of Jihadi groups. They have caused mayhem in the entire region.

This haramigiri will NOT stop until this specific group of people is not stopped!

India does not have access to covert means to inflict pain on these people. Shaming them in international fora does not work - they are beyond shame! They are completely comfortable exposed naked about their sins.

The only instrument India has left is military. The reason it is not being used is 1. Log kya kahenge, 2. Fear of "unclear respose" 3. Fear of decline in rate of economic growth.
Log kya kahenge be damned - when India takes a step, everything and everyone will fall in line.
I am stating that this 'unclear' issue is very much a non-issue.
That economic growth thing needs to be managed by the powers that be.

But these people HAVE to be stopped, India can't allow this to continue for another 5 or 10 years.

[CRamS]

Whatever GP and Sushant Sareen suggest, and its obvious that TSPA and their RAPE needs to pay a huge price, I am sure if India could, they would have extracted that price by now. So instead of those pipe dreams, its worth re-iterating what TSP is hoping to achieve through its latest gambit given India's limitations. If I can summarize:

1. Ride over Pataknot. I think the evidence was so overwhelming that any further movement, it would have been difficult to obfuscate. So through this charade and with the help of its 3.5, notably China, TSP has buried Patankot like 26/11 and other countless attacks before, for their good.

2. Its counting on Indian opposition eunuchs and traitors and cowards to pile this fiasco on ModiJi, so the debate in India shifts from TSP to ModiJi, BJP, intolerance, you name it, lots to chose from in India to shift the discourse away from TSP to India's pitfalls. Like UndYless Nidhi who once boasted to a UK MP who was puzzled why she is so much in a self flagellating mode: "we are a democracy" onlee, and we wear that as a badge of honor even when our house is set on fire by TSP.

3. Wait for the dust to settle, and TSP for sure knows that based on pressure from 3.5, India's own as mentioned in #2, and some domestic compulsions, ModiJi (like his predecessors before) will once again repeat this cycle of tamasha at some other location like Ufa. "We have no choice but to engage TSP" onlee will be the domestic mantra, "India must transcend Patankot" to realize its "super power status" will be the condescending advice from TSP's US-led 3.5.

As GaganJi mentions above, this haramgiri will not stop until India hits TSPA hard, or as TSP demands, essentially signs on the dotted line handing over Kashmir valley on a silver platter for a start. TSP wants to score some big victory over India to resuscitate itself.

[shiv]

The only instrument India has left is military. The reason it is not being used is 1. Log kya kahenge, 2. Fear of "unclear respose" 3. Fear of decline in rate of economic growth.
Log kya kahenge be damned - when India takes a step, everything and everyone will fall in line.
I am stating that this 'unclear' issue is very much a non-issue.
That economic growth thing needs to be managed by the powers that be.

But these people HAVE to be stopped, India can't allow this to continue for another 5 or 10 years.

We keep playing the ball into their court and waiting for them to do something, and then we do nothing after they provoke.

What I have been ranting about for years is that well known and well publicized facts about Pakistan have never been published in the Indian media via government mouthpieces. In UPA days I had attended a talk by Pillai - yes the same Ishrat Jahan Pillai when he was foreign secretary and he had dismissed Pakistan as the most serious threat. He had spoken of Naxals and insurgencies in eastern India - back then anyway. Still, I asked him why the GoI does not simply make public the fact that hatred of India is part of the school curriculum in Pakistan - simply because Indians need to know. He evaded the question.

If Indians do not have accurate information about Pakistan, they will get info through all sorts of sources and not all those sources are sympathetic to India. Right now I am hearing that India's response to the JIT fiasco is Modi not attending SAARC meet. Maybe that's a good thing, but that is hardly punishment to the Paki army.

[Aditya_V]

Since we brought 2002, isn't it a fact US and French Navy's flew sorties to prevent and Indian attack from the sea. Plus we have termites within the system, these things take time and effort to overcome