India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 23 Mar 2012 00:19

nachiket wrote:And Ravi's reaction to that was to videotape Tyler and share the video with others. Does that feel right to you? What would you have done if you were in Ravi's shoes. Complain about Tyler to the dorm management? Ask for a room reassignment? The idea of videotaping and sharing it would have probably never even entered your mind.

I am not condoning Ravi's act to broadcast the activity (or intending to broadcast) but also won't agree that this is bias intimidation rather a prank.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 23 Mar 2012 00:21

shiv wrote:
Prasobh wrote: Have you visited Delhi these days? Parenting is not the devil here, its the freedom to information and the growing assertiveness of the youth. Heck, I am under 30 and I am shocked at what my juniors are upto. The oft touted Western 'sexual revolution' has hit India and I am sorry to say, genie is out of the bottle.
Not yet. It is unlikely to get out of the bottle so soon given parental involvement with children. But that is a different topic.

You sir are an older generation of Indian hence are beleiving that all is well at home in urban India. I assure you the current gen in urban India is more open than any prior generation and the amount of experiementation is a big concern for most parents of teenagers in India at the moment. Things will only get worse from here and Indian parents will be constantly challenged in and out of court on this issue. Marriage as an institution will be less attractive to the next gen and children out of wedlock is slowly becoming more prevalent. 30 years ago even divorce was a big deal and today it is not as big a deal. Things are changing and laws are constantly updated to keep with the times. Currently GoI is trying to change Homosexuality laws in India under Supreme Courts pressure. Welcome to a new world Shivsaar. A broader outlook is the only way forward else you know what happened to the dinosours

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 23 Mar 2012 00:22

Satya_anveshi wrote:
nachiket wrote:And Ravi's reaction to that was to videotape Tyler and share the video with others. Does that feel right to you? What would you have done if you were in Ravi's shoes. Complain about Tyler to the dorm management? Ask for a room reassignment? The idea of videotaping and sharing it would have probably never even entered your mind.
I am not condoning Ravi's act to broadcast the activity (or intending to broadcast) but also won't agree that this is bias intimidation rather a prank.

No dispute on the bolded part but it was the poorly written state law in NJ that allowed the prosecutor to apply these charges and the evidence allowed the jury to convict him on that charge based on the evidence and the definition of the law.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Mar 2012 00:22

BijuShet wrote:
US society explained in a nutshell is, You are free to do anything but must take responsibility for your actions. If you break the law then you should be ready for its consequences. India has more regimented laws for eg the concept of No Objection Certificate in business etc is prevelent in India but mostly missing in the US.

No. In India you do what you like and do not take responsibility. It is different in India and bringing up India is "Two cock"

In the US you need permission to point a webcam at your roommate's half of the room. But you do not need permission to seduce a teenager and have sex with him in his room. It is assumed that at 19 the teenager can be "responsible" for his actions. That is what is wrong. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse, but the law not being bothered about a serious personal issue is a hallmark of a society that does not have a clue about what it is doing. There is every possibility that both the dead homo and Ravi were confused and did not know how to react to each other. Ravi's big mistake was staying alive perhaps?

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 23 Mar 2012 00:25

shiv wrote:
BijuShet wrote:
US society explained in a nutshell is, You are free to do anything but must take responsibility for your actions. If you break the law then you should be ready for its consequences. India has more regimented laws for eg the concept of No Objection Certificate in business etc is prevelent in India but mostly missing in the US.

No. In India you do what you like and do not take responsibility. It is different in India and bringing up India is "Two cock"

In the US you need permission to point a webcam at your roommate's half of the room. But you do not need permission to seduce a teenager and have sex with him in his room. It is assumed that at 19 the teenager can be "responsible" for his actions. That is what is wrong. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse, but the law not being bothered about a serious personal issue is a hallmark of a society that does not have a clue about what it is doing. There is every possibility that both the dead homo and Ravi were confused and did not know how to react to each other. Ravi's big mistake was staying alive perhaps?

At 18 years he was an adult and not a teenager any more.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 23 Mar 2012 00:28

shiv wrote:
BijuShet wrote:
US society explained in a nutshell is, You are free to do anything but must take responsibility for your actions. If you break the law then you should be ready for its consequences. India has more regimented laws for eg the concept of No Objection Certificate in business etc is prevelent in India but mostly missing in the US.

No. In India you do what you like and do not take responsibility. It is different in India and bringing up India is "Two cock"

In the US you need permission to point a webcam at your roommate's half of the room. But you do not need permission to seduce a teenager and have sex with him in his room. It is assumed that at 19 the teenager can be "responsible" for his actions. That is what is wrong. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse, but the law not being bothered about a serious personal issue is a hallmark of a society that does not have a clue about what it is doing. There is every possibility that both the dead homo and Ravi were confused and did not know how to react to each other. Ravi's big mistake was staying alive perhaps?

At 18 years he was an adult and not a teenager any more. and at 19 years neither was Ravi a teenager. He was also an adult responsible for his actions. To say he was playing a prank is not enough. He did commit a wrongful act and was given a chance to accept his guilt and serve 600 hours of community service. He did not agree with this and wanted to try his case in court and the results are in front of you.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Mar 2012 00:30

Folks this is getting out of hand. Anymore discussion can be in the GDF.

Thanks, no more.

ramana

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 23 Mar 2012 00:30

shiv wrote: In the US you need permission to point a webcam at your roommate's half of the room. But you do not need permission to seduce a teenager and have sex with him in his room. It is assumed that at 19 the teenager can be "responsible" for his actions. That is what is wrong. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse, but the law not being bothered about a serious personal issue is a hallmark of a society that does not have a clue about what it is doing. There is every possibility that both the dead homo and Ravi were confused and did not know how to react to each other. Ravi's big mistake was staying alive perhaps?

Legal age of consent is 18 just about everywhere, including India. Homosexual intercourse is also no longer a crime in India.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 23 Mar 2012 00:32

BTW can we please refer to the dead student by his name Tyler Clementi or as Dharun's room mate.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Mar 2012 00:32

BijuShet wrote:
shiv wrote: Not yet. It is unlikely to get out of the bottle so soon given parental involvement with children. But that is a different topic.
You sir are an older generation of Indian hence are beleiving that all is well at home in urban India. I assure you the current gen in urban India is more open than any prior generation and the amount of experiementation is a big concern for most parents of teenagers in India at the moment. Things will only get worse from here and Indian parents will be constantly challenged in and out of court on this issue. Marriage as an institution will be less attractive to the next gen and children out of wedlock is slowly becoming more prevalent. 30 years ago even divorce was a big deal and today it is not as big a deal. Things are changing and laws are constantly updated to keep with the times. Currently GoI is trying to change Homosexuality laws in India under Supreme Courts pressure. Welcome to a new world Shivsaar. A broader outlook is the only way forward else you know what happened to the dinosours

After giving me a lesson about USA you are now teaching me about India? And I am the one who is drinking the know it all cool aid? India's problem is not the sexuality of young people and I have a good idea of what is happening in that group. But India's sexual degeneracy issues are completely different from the sexual degeneracy issues in the US. There is no comparison. And none of you seem to have mentioned India's real sexual issues yet so I will leave it at that. I am sure Google will help you.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Mar 2012 00:33

Again lets call it a day on the topic as its not germane to thread title.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 23 Mar 2012 00:35

Rangudu wrote:
shiv wrote: Yes but Ravi is not supposed to complain if his roommate brings in a stranger and indulges in a open sexual act in the same room. That is no invasion of any type. That is OK as per US laws . It is the roommate's right to bring a stranger in and have sex in the room. That is quite OK. Ravi can have no legal objection to that.

A B S O L U T E ... N O N S E N S E

What open sexual act? Ravi was not in the room. He never was.

It IS a right of any tenant, roommate or solo, to bring ANY stranger to the room and have consensual sex or watch TV or do whatever, unless explicitly forbidden in the rental contract.

You are using a nonexistent situation and the argument is bogus.

Are you sure? Ravi had the right to refuse and object when his roommate wanted to have a guest. When you have shared space I don't think there is an inherent right to do anything you want, with anyone you want without the consent of the roommate.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 23 Mar 2012 00:39

ramana wrote:Again lets call it a day on the topic as its not germane to thread title.

Can we continue this in the Off-Topic thread or do we just end the discussion on this topic. Either option is fine by me.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 23 Mar 2012 00:52

shiv wrote:
BijuShet wrote:
US society explained in a nutshell is, You are free to do anything but must take responsibility for your actions. If you break the law then you should be ready for its consequences. India has more regimented laws for eg the concept of No Objection Certificate in business etc is prevelent in India but mostly missing in the US.

No. In India you do what you like and do not take responsibility. It is different in India and bringing up India is "Two cock"

In the US you need permission to point a webcam at your roommate's half of the room. But you do not need permission to seduce a teenager and have sex with him in his room. It is assumed that at 19 the teenager can be "responsible" for his actions. That is what is wrong. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse, but the law not being bothered about a serious personal issue is a hallmark of a society that does not have a clue about what it is doing. There is every possibility that both the dead homo and Ravi were confused and did not know how to react to each other. Ravi's big mistake was staying alive perhaps?

Cannot compare with India - different civilizational ethos. Please take India out of the discussion. To those saying that youngsters are experimenting - yes but it has a very different tone. Different societies do not have to follow the continuum.
US operates on rule of law as defined in books. Very useful for a new society - 300-400 hundred years old. Not so for an India.

subodh · Post by **subodh** » 23 Mar 2012 00:57

ramana wrote:Again lets call it a day on the topic as its not germane to thread title.

Sanku-ji - I guess I will reply in gdf/nukkad.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Mar 2012 01:15

Take to off topic.

thnks, ramana

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 23 Mar 2012 02:23

Gun sales explode as election looms
Fox News -

Sales of handguns and ammunition are booming across the country, and retailers say it's all about the November election. Gun shop owners around the nation told FoxNews.

Gun makers' shares rise on strong demand Reuters
Boom times continue for U.S. gun business MarketWatch

“It’s definitely the election year," Jason Hanson, a former CIA officer and personal security specialist, told FoxNews.com. "People feel that Obama will serve second term and with it their gun rights with taken away, so they are stocking up.
“They’re also worried that the economy is not getting any better and that they need to protect themselves,” Hanson added.
In 2009, gun sales had shot up after Obama took office and firearm enthusiasts rushed to stores, fearing he would tighten gun control. Sales have continued to grow throughout his administration.
This year’s uptick comes on top of a record 2011, when nearly 11 million firearms were sold in the U.S., according to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade association for the firearms, ammunition, hunting and shooting sports industry. The group notes the $4 billion firearms business has bucked the weak economy, with robust sales since 2008.
One of the best indicators of firearms sales is the FBI's National Instant Background Check System, which federally licensed firearm retailers use to conduct the mandatory background check on purchasers of new and used firearms. Statistics through December showed an unprecedented 19th straight month of background check increases when tabulated year over year. "Black Friday," Nov. 25, 2011, saw a record for the most background checks in a single day --129,166.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/22/gu ... z1pskQAomc

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 23 Mar 2012 03:25

not trying to resuscitate the Ravi debate, but another post of the link for the new page.
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#! ... t/jqlNR9lP

hopefully, the mods don't mind.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Mar 2012 06:18

Terrorist group’s supporters throw party in U.S. Congress

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 24 Mar 2012 05:05

x-post from "Understanding the US" thead:

Another white-washed soul;

http://ideas.time.com/2012/03/23/a-vets ... -massacre/

But our generation of fighters is lucky enough to live in a society that is at least tolerant of our service members, if not passionately enthusiastic about us. Our military has had several soldiers engage in inhumane acts in combat over the past decade. But for the most part, our culture understands that these isolated incidents don’t represent the 99% of soldiers who are good-hearted people that have served honorably. And if we solely analyze this as an issue of character, then of course I wholeheartedly agree. But the problem is that this incident, and the ones that may occur in the future, are not simply issues of character, but of post-traumatic stress. And through this lens, I fear the “isolated incident” argument may leave several soldiers neglected.

Here is an equivalent quote from a truly islamic perspective

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But our generation of ~~fighters~~ pious members is lucky enough to live in a society that is at least tolerant of our ~~service members~~ pious members, if not passionately enthusiastic about us. Our ~~military~~ religion has had several ~~soldiers~~ pious engage in inhumane acts in ~~combat~~ jihad over the past decade. But for the most part, our culture understands that these isolated incidents don’t represent the 99% of ~~soldiers~~ pious who are good-hearted people that have served honorably. And if we solely analyze this as an issue of character, then of course I wholeheartedly agree. But the problem is that this incident, and the ones that may occur in the future, are not simply issues of character, but of ~~post-traumatic stress~~ madness. And through this lens, I fear the “isolated incident” argument may leave several ~~soldiers~~ pious neglected.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 24 Mar 2012 06:52

ok where is this drama continuing

now that I cannot comment here??

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 24 Mar 2012 07:47

Sorry I am posting it here so that people in US can catch it. Mr. D. Ravi is on 20/20 Midwest right now. He comes across as very sensitive.

Regards

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 24 Mar 2012 07:49

It is sad that this is coming out now, this interview should have been done before the verdict. Sad, sad sad!

Here is the first thing an Indian should do if he ever thinks he or she may get into serious (criminal) legal trouble in the US:
Sink your savings in buying the services of the BEST PR firm that you can get to spin your story in as sympathetic way as possible. This is the only insurance you got!

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 24 Mar 2012 09:03

Better still,stay away from the US unless dire neccessity takes you there!

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 26 Mar 2012 03:31

Dharun Ravi was offered a plea bargain where he would have to agree to be gay hater and in addition, plead guilty of invading privacy of his room mate as he set up the video camera. In return he would get community service. Ravi refused to take the plea bargain as in his own words he did not hate gays. He has also said the video was set up as the gay partner of Clementi aka MB aged 30 looked weird. MB testified secretly during the trial.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Mar 2012 04:32

Philip wrote:Better still,stay away from the US unless dire neccessity takes you there!

Thats easier said than done. When I was in India, I was as desperate as the millions who want to leave India's shores.

Things may have changed in India for some, but materialistically speaking, at the end of day, US offers a standard of living for the aam junta that Indians can only fantasize about through Bollywood movies. Lets not kid ourselves that this is the reason why millions line up to come to US. Add on to that the undeniable fact that day to day life in US is smooth, I am referring to clean air, salubrious surroundings, no low level corruption (I am not talking about Wall Street thieves) etc, quality of life in US top class.

However, I must say that having spent 22+ years in US, I am not sure if the materialistic component is all that counts in life. Individually, you may not face overt racism, but make no mistake about it, Americans are collectively racist. The most obvious manifestation of this is India US relations; they would have been on a different glide path and not held hostage to the TSP terrorist abomination.

I got fooled, but I urge Indians in India to not get carried away by all these "Indian CEO of xyz company" type headlines in useless Indian newspapers. I have noticed in 20+ year career that when it comes to leadership, a gora is always preferred over us SDREs. Frustration, anger, sense of not belonging etc only set in when you aspire to leadership type roles and you are denied that. Of course, there will be SDREs who will say this is all BS, they know thus guy SDRE or that gal SDRE who is a CEO bla bla, but they miss the point. SDREs have to prove themselves many times over to be taken seriously as leaders, while goras of the same caliber or much less endowed have no such impediments. Unless you are a super genius, you will always play second fiddle to a gora of the same caliber.

But at the end of the day, I have to admit that having traveled to other countries, and hearing stories from friends, if an Indian is desperate to leave India, US should be the destination.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 26 Mar 2012 05:10

also, those who reach the top, at least in the top corporations, have been completely disconnected from birth culture. don't include the Small and Medium sized corporations or entrepreneurs in this. but if you look the multi-billion dollar fortune 500 type cos, if Indians do make it to the top, they have already been completely integrated into Western culture. they don't show any kind of overt cultural affinity with their native culture. Indra Nooyi types are carefully nurtured to "lecture the natives".

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 26 Mar 2012 05:20

CRamS,I was being Phili-pant! I agree.The number of huge success stories I've met over the last decade-real big time successes,who've sold out their co.s for massive fortunes and have and have become venture capitalists investing in India isn't funny.The quiet knowledge that you have given the US the upturned finger in the final analysis is very pleasurable to them,but few as you have said have been celebrated by the system as they would've been if the colour of their skin was white.

The freedom to make money in the US is unparalleled,but comes with a very selfish and de-humanised attitude that is needed to reach the top in many cases.I've seen the change in the attitude of some friends who are now "Yanquis".We back in our native land still have not forsaken the joint family attitude of responsibility,though in the metros and larger it is evaporating by the hour.To give you an example,in a certain gated community,a parent died and the children-abroad in the US,said that they were too busy to come down and asked the society to carry out the last rites! In another case,the sibling was also too busy to come down at the critical moment when needed-reeling off the names of top US Obama-admins he knew,eventually flew in for a whistle-stop 36 hr. visit,antagonised everyone "native" in the med centre, and since the parent didn't oblige him and kick the bucket during his generous gesture of visiting,left in the same whirlwind that he arrived in!

It is probably why so many expats from the US want to come "home" and enjoy the fruits of their hard labour and die (hopefully happily) here.the rise of specialised gated communities for the elderly is rapidly rising to provide our expats the same quality of surroundings that they enjoyed in the US,with the added care of Indian staff.

How racist US pigs treat non-whites,so much for US b*llsh*t on Lanka human rights abuses,just look at what's happening right in the US of A!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... he-US.html

Vigilantes 'beat Iraqi mother to death' in the US
An Iraqi woman brutally beaten in her southern California home in an apparently racially-motivated attack has reportedly died in hospital.

Shaima Alawadi, 32 and a mother of five, died after she was taken off life support Saturday at a hospital in San Diego County, CNN said.

Ms Alawadi had been on life support since Wednesday when her teenage daughter found her unconscious in the living room of their home.

"During the initial stages of this investigation, a threatening note was discovered very close to where the victim was found," police Lieutenant Mark Coit told the network.

Ms Alawadi's daughter said the note told the family to go back to Iraq and called them "terrorists," according to CNN.

"A week ago they left a letter saying, 'This is our country, not yours, you terrorists,'" the daughter, Fatima Al Himidi told the network.

"So my mom ignored that, thinking (it was) kids playing around, pranking.

"And so the day they hurt her, they left it again and it said the same thing."

The family reportedly came to the United States from Iraq in the mid-1990s.

Source: AFP

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Mar 2012 08:29

US senator working on Bill to allow more visas to Indians
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/ind ... 222682.ece

New York, March 25: Amid Indian IT firms’ concerns over restrictive US visa policies for their employees, a top American senator has assured that he is working on a bipartisan Bill that will reform immigration laws and allow more Indians to come to America.Influential US Senator from New York Mr Chuck Schumer and Senate Majority Leader Mr Harry Reid met noted Indian-American hotelier and Chairman of Indian-American Democrats Mr Sant Singh Chatwal at his Manhattan hotel here on Friday.During the nearly hour-long meeting, the three discussed India-US bilateral relations, with Mr Chatwal raising concerns of Indian IT corporations regarding problems faced by them in obtaining work visas like H1B and L1 for their employees.Mr Reid and Mr Schumer expressed appreciation for the contribution made by the growing Indian—American community to the American economy, saying concerns regarding the visas are being addressed and taken care of.“I am working to try and change the immigration laws so more Indians can come (to the US). One of the things that Harry and I care a lot about is changing the visas. So more Indians can come here to travel,” Mr Schumer told PTI after the meeting.He said while Indians, Chinese, Russians are keen to come to the US, “the visa laws are a little bit too restrictive so we are working on a bipartisan bill. Harry Reid is going to try to help us get it passed very fast.”

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 26 Mar 2012 12:53

^^^ how about hiring an American?

ranjbe · Post by **ranjbe** » 26 Mar 2012 19:43

Philip wrote:CRamS,I was being Phili-pant! I agree.The number of huge success stories I've met over the last decade-real big time successes,who've sold out their co.s for massive fortunes and have and have become venture capitalists investing in India isn't funny.The quiet knowledge that you have given the US the upturned finger in the final analysis is very pleasurable to them,but few as you have said have been celebrated by the system as they would've been if the colour of their skin was white.

It is probably why so many expats from the US want to come "home" and enjoy the fruits of their hard labour and die (hopefully happily) here.the rise of specialised gated communities for the elderly is rapidly rising to provide our expats the same quality of surroundings that they enjoyed in the US,with the added care of Indian staff.

How racist US pigs treat non-whites,so much for US b*llsh*t on Lanka human rights abuses,just look at what's happening right in the US of A!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... he-US.html

Vigilantes 'beat Iraqi mother to death' in the US
An Iraqi woman brutally beaten in her southern California home in an apparently racially-motivated attack has reportedly died in hospital.

Shaima Alawadi, 32 and a mother of five, died after she was taken off life support Saturday at a hospital in San Diego County, CNN said.

Ms Alawadi had been on life support since Wednesday when her teenage daughter found her unconscious in the living room of their home.

"During the initial stages of this investigation, a threatening note was discovered very close to where the victim was found," police Lieutenant Mark Coit told the network.

Ms Alawadi's daughter said the note told the family to go back to Iraq and called them "terrorists," according to CNN.

"A week ago they left a letter saying, 'This is our country, not yours, you terrorists,'" the daughter, Fatima Al Himidi told the network.

"So my mom ignored that, thinking (it was) kids playing around, pranking.

"And so the day they hurt her, they left it again and it said the same thing."

The family reportedly came to the United States from Iraq in the mid-1990s.

Source: AFP

You are right of course. The running dogs of capitalism are still running rampant in the USA, sucking the blood of toiling peasants and workers. Of course they are racist. They have elected a black man as president, but it is all a capitalist plot to hoodwink the proletariat. Furthermore, the imperialists along with the Zionists control the press, and write scurrilous articles about Indian students getting beaten up in the streets of Moscow and darker people from Chechnya, Azerbazan etc. getting assaulted in the workers paradise, Mother Russia.
Just being Phili-pant.

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 26 Mar 2012 20:05

Philip wrote:Better still,stay away from the US unless dire neccessity takes you there!

When I went to US for a short period, one of the Indians who had stayed for long time told me this.
"Things are fine here till you do not get into trouble. Not even a small one. You get into one, it is better to leave for India"
It seems as per him an Indian (or any other non gora foreigner) will be harassed more than the Americans

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 26 Mar 2012 22:32

India-Based Tech Firms Boost U.S. Economy, Job Growth
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Management/ ... 262012STR2

By: Nathan Eddy
2012-03-23

Indian technology companies have invested more than $5 billion through 128 acquisitions, saving and sustaining thousands of jobs in the United States.

While the overall unemployment in the United States remains disturbingly high, the direct workforce employed in the country by the Indian IT sector has almost doubled in the last five years to 107,000, and it is estimated that the industry supports more than 280,000 jobs in the United States, growing even in a weak economic environment, according to a study by the National Association of Software and Service Companies (NASSCOM). Most of these indirect jobs span across various sectors and at every level in the U.S. economy, ranging from Virginia to Texas to California.

The study, "Contribution of Indian Tech Companies to the U.S. Economy," also reaffirms U.S. government figures that show investments from India to the U.S. grew by 90 percent in 2010 from the year before, capping what has by now become a trend of growing commerce between the two countries. Trade between India and the United States has increased eightfold in the last 20 years, the study noted.

Three out of every four jobs supported by Indian companies are constituted by locals in the United States, and based on updated employment multipliers of the Economic Policy Institute, for every one direct job, 1.6 indirect jobs have been added to the ecosystem, including in the supplier industry (logistics, telecom and computer hardware), re-spending industry (retail and hospitality), and federal and state government jobs. Headcount was highest in California, Illinois, New York, Texas, Washington, New Jersey and Michigan. Overall, about 40 percent of U.S. nationals employed by Indian companies are working in California, Michigan, Texas and Illinois.

The Indian technology industry has paid more than $15 billion in taxes to the U.S. Treasury in the last five years, according to the report. In addition, the report found Indian technology companies have invested more than $5 billion through 128 acquisitions, saving and sustaining thousands of jobs in the United States. Growth in acquisitions by the Indian companies in the United States increased to 54 percent in fiscal 2010 from 41 percent in fiscal 2009.

The industry has also made commitments to the innovation economy of the United States by setting up innovation centers to drive next-generation technology development. Also, the report noted innovative solutions from Indian companies are helping U.S. citizens further by reducing cost of public services, improving health care systems and introducing new affordable products for daily use. One example the report cited is Infotech Enterprises, an engineering services company that designed and developed small and affordable USB-powered electrocardiogram (ECG) monitoring devices for citizens in America.

"Indian technology firms are deeply committed to the United States. Both they and their employees are important contributors in their local communities as well as the country as a whole. The report that we have released is our endeavor to quantify the trends and benefits behind the significant investments India-based IT and BPO firms are making in the U.S.," said Som Mittal, president of NASSCOM. "The next phase of this partnership will see a continuation and vast expansion of the investments both nations are making in the other. We look forward to a greater engagement in the future, working closely with the U.S. companies to build their growth."

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 26 Mar 2012 23:02

Philip wrote:Better still,stay away from the US unless dire neccessity takes you there!

I would like to add another note. Massa is great until your health takes a toss, especially if the condition is sort of a chronic. Also job but it seems for folks in IT, the job situation gets mitigated due to immense opportunities. Worst is no job + no health >> No insurance >> Medical bills pile up

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 26 Mar 2012 23:04

One of my business professor from Europe used to say that US is not for poor people.

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 26 Mar 2012 23:10

ranjbe wrote: You are right of course. The running dogs of capitalism are still running rampant in the USA, sucking the blood of toiling peasants and workers. Of course they are racist. They have elected a black man as president, but it is all a capitalist plot to hoodwink the proletariat. Furthermore, the imperialists along with the Zionists control the press, and write scurrilous articles about Indian students getting beaten up in the streets of Moscow and darker people from Chechnya, Azerbazan etc. getting assaulted in the workers paradise, Mother Russia.
Just being Phili-pant.

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Philip · Post by **Philip** » 27 Mar 2012 05:08

Could one major reason for the IT outsourcing success be because is there is as little personal contact as possible between different "species"? Limited "immigration",allowing "natives" to remain in their own country,while they pick up Yanqui "twang and slang" as they work? teleconferencing has made all this possible,to "stay at home and earn your bone",without polluting the "promised land".

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 27 Mar 2012 05:30

Acharya wrote:One of my business professor from Europe used to say that US is not for poor people.

It's not for old people either.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 27 Mar 2012 05:41

KJoishy wrote:
Acharya wrote:One of my business professor from Europe used to say that US is not for poor people.
It's not for old people either.

and IMHO not for active families with children either. there is no society in the real sense of the word. we get carried away with our experience as singles and grow up our children here forgetting that our base came from a very advanced society.

one favorite quote of a gora colleague "america is a developed country with developing people. india is a developing country with developed people"

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 27 Mar 2012 06:07

old people are actually quite well off in US. and they haven't been affected that much by the recent meltdown. I read some study somewhere that the age group >55 suffered the least losses in their investments, in the 2008-2009 meltdown.