Terroristan - March 31, 2022

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Feb 2023 11:52

sudhan wrote:The Baki mard never disappoints.. Fridin celebrations started in Karachi police chief's office has been lit up by peaceful abduls..

It has been a long time coming. The world has waited very patiently.

partha · Post by **partha** » 18 Feb 2023 12:11

Hafiz Munir will now launch "Operation <insert fancy Arabic name>" to "exterminate" terrorism once for all and for the next 3 years there will be propaganda about how successfully it's working while TTP members will simply move to Afghanistan and bide their time. And how can extension be denied after 3 years when the operation will still be in progress, hain?

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 18 Feb 2023 12:16

Pakis delegation headed to Turkey with a large consignment* of aid.
Shows how, despite the economic climate, Pakis are large hearted. Truly salute their giving nature.

* Aid from Turkey for flood victims was re-labelled and taken to back to origin by govt delegation. No joke.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 18 Feb 2023 14:44

SSridhar wrote:
sudhan wrote:The Baki mard never disappoints.. Fridin celebrations started in Karachi police chief's office has been lit up by peaceful abduls..
It has been a long time coming. The world has waited very patiently.

But where are the raakit mards?

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 18 Feb 2023 15:38

Tauba tauba what does this say about the takht of Showbaaz? Regime change in the air again?

US seeks economic revival plan from PTI

Notwithstanding its public posturing against the United States, the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) is making behind-the-scene efforts to repair ties with Washington as the former ruling party has not only abandoned its anti-US narrative but has also discussed its future plans to pull the country out of the economic abyss with the world’s super power.

Since Imran’s ouster in April last year, this was the first publicly admitted meeting between the two sides, which came on the heels of PTI chief’s narrative makeover of the alleged regime-change conspiracy after months-long bashing of the US and its officials.

During the meeting, sources privy to the development revealed that the US officials asked the PTI to share its economic revival plan amid an ongoing financial crunch coupled with political volatility.

As the PTI tried to restore relations by assuring that it would abandon the anti-US narrative in the future , they added, the officials of the Biden administration sought the PTI’s stance on the government’s understanding that it reached with the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 18 Feb 2023 15:59

partha wrote:Hafiz Munir will now launch "Operation <insert fancy Arabic name>" to "exterminate" terrorism once for all and for the next 3 years there will be propaganda about how successfully it's working while TTP members will simply move to Afghanistan and bide their time. And how can extension be denied after 3 years when the operation will still be in progress, hain?

That is not all. They also carried out brutal reprisals including dropping bombs from F16s and artillery shelling on Pashtun tribal areas leading to massive refugee camps within their own country for so-called IDPs (Internally Displaced People). That is partly why there are now so many Pashtuns in Karachi, in fact there are more in Karachi than in Peshawar. And this virtuous cycle continues with the refugee camps becoming a fertile ground for Taliban type ideologies feeding into the resentment against the Punjabi establishment.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 18 Feb 2023 16:05

Pak "Militry" being victimized by bhooka awaam and inability of siyaasatdaan to effectively beg?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOMk2S59R4o

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Feb 2023 17:34

Pakistan Taliban warn of more attacks against police after compound raid - ToI

Pakistan's Taliban warned Saturday of more attacks against law enforcement officers, a day after four people were killed when a suicide squad stormed a police compound in Karachi.

The police are often used on the frontline of Pakistan's battle with the Taliban and are frequently a target of militants who accuse them of extra-judicial killings.

Last month, more than 80 officers were killed when a suicide bomber detonated an explosive vest at a mosque inside a police compound in the northwestern city of Peshawar, sparking criticism from some junior ranks, who said they were having to do the army's work.

"The policemen should stay away from our war with the slave army, otherwise the attacks on the safe havens of the top police officers will continue," Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) said on Saturday in an English-language statement.

"We want to warn the security agencies once again to stop martyring innocent prisoners in fake encounters otherwise the intensity of future attacks will be more severe."

"This attack is a message to all the anti-Islamic security agencies of Pakistan... the army and police will be targeted at every important place until the way for implementation of the Islamic system in the country is paved {There is always a green who would be greener than the greenest}," it said.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 18 Feb 2023 18:29

Manish_P wrote:
SSridhar wrote: It has been a long time coming. The world has waited very patiently.
But where are the raakit mards?

Low grade Amateurs, Couldn't even blow themselves up properly. Only managed to get so far since the cops were low grade amateurs too.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 18 Feb 2023 20:27

Deans wrote:
Manish_P wrote:
But where are the raakit mards?
Low grade Amateurs, Couldn't even blow themselves up properly. Only managed to get so far since the cops were low grade amateurs too.

Ah no, Deans sir. Those are kamikaze drones.

I am talking about the raakit mards of yore.

They used to come in various color schemes.

For eg - The black coats...

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 18 Feb 2023 21:39

TLP gives govt 72-hour 'ultimatum' to withdraw fuel price hike

The Tehreek-e-Labaik Pakistan (TLP) party has given a 72-hour 'ultimatum' to the federal government to withdraw the latest hike on petroleum products, warning it of dire consequences if prices are not brought down.

The government had increased the price of petrol by up to Rs22.20 and diesel Rs17.20 per litre on Wednesday amid spiralling inflation as the country continues to face an economic crisis.

During a press conference in Lahore on Friday, TLP chief Saad Hussain Rizvi said if the government does not withdraw the price hike, the party would do "what it is known for"—a reference to protest marches in the recent that brought the federal capital to a standstill.

"I am giving a 72-hour ultimatum to the government to withdraw the increase in the prices of petroleum products immediately," Rizvi said.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 18 Feb 2023 23:03

Manish_P wrote:
Deans wrote:
I am talking about the raakit mards of yore.

They used to come in various color schemes.

For eg - The black coats...

hope one or a bunch of kamikazis does not run off with a tactical nuke and blow a nice city to kingdom come !!

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 18 Feb 2023 23:33

drnayar wrote:
Manish_P wrote:
hope one or a bunch of kamikazis does not run off with a tactical nuke and blow a nice city to kingdom come !!

How dare you insert Christian theology into greenest green Baki land. 50 lashes immediately

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 19 Feb 2023 11:25

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/104213 ... ts-bilawal

Munich Conference: Terrorism to move beyond Pakistan if Afghanistan does not rein in militants, says Bilawal

Addressing the Munich Security Conference in Germany, the PPP chairman said the most important issue regarding Afghanistan in the region was the “security and terrorist threat emanating out” of the country. “The concern is that if we and the interim government don’t take these groups seriously and they don’t demonstrate the will and the capacity to take on terrorist groups, then they will conduct terrorist activities in the region first — we are already witnessing an uptick in terrorist activity in Pakistan since the fall of Kabul — but it won’t be long before it reaches somewhere else.”

Billoo is running around telling everyone that Afghanistan-based terrorism is a big problem, taliban is bad, and all this happened because NATO and US left afghanistan.

Maybe Pakistan should have thought about this before sheltering all the taliban in Quetta, and creating a Quetta shura. The Taliban in fact traveled from Quetta to Doha on Pakistani passports. Pakistan rejoiced when NATO left afghanistan and Dimmy congratulated the taliban for "breaking the shackles of slavery".

Now Billoo is running around complaining that Taliban is sheltering terrorists, when it is in fact Pakistan's job to shelter terrorists.

Not to be outdone Hamid Mir is writing in India today

https://www.indiatoday.in/opinion-colum ... 2023-02-16

Pakistan must build a regional consensus to ensure that the Afghan Taliban does not provide shelter to violent groups who are a direct threat not only to Pakistan but also to China, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Iran and India.

If he is so concerned about India, how about Pakistan first take action against LeT, JeM and other alphabet soup of Pakistan-based terrorists?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Feb 2023 12:40

Anujan wrote:https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/104213 ... ts-bilawal

Munich Conference: Terrorism to move beyond Pakistan if Afghanistan does not rein in militants, says Bilawal

Addressing the Munich Security Conference in Germany, the PPP chairman said the most important issue regarding Afghanistan in the region was the “security and terrorist threat emanating out” of the country. “The concern is that if we and the interim government don’t take these groups seriously and they don’t demonstrate the will and the capacity to take on terrorist groups, then they will conduct terrorist activities in the region first — we are already witnessing an uptick in terrorist activity in Pakistan since the fall of Kabul — but it won’t be long before it reaches somewhere else.”
Billoo is running around telling everyone that Afghanistan-based terrorism is a big problem, taliban is bad, and all this happened because NATO and US left afghanistan.

Maybe Pakistan should have thought about this before sheltering all the taliban in Quetta, and creating a Quetta shura. The Taliban in fact traveled from Quetta to Doha on Pakistani passports. Pakistan rejoiced when NATO left afghanistan and Dimmy congratulated the taliban for "breaking the shackles of slavery".

Now Billoo is running around complaining that Taliban is sheltering terrorists, when it is in fact Pakistan's job to shelter terrorists.

Not to be outdone Hamid Mir is writing in India today

https://www.indiatoday.in/opinion-colum ... 2023-02-16

Pakistan must build a regional consensus to ensure that the Afghan Taliban does not provide shelter to violent groups who are a direct threat not only to Pakistan but also to China, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Iran and India.
If he is so concerned about India, how about Pakistan first take action against LeT, JeM and other alphabet soup of Pakistan-based terrorists?

There is a large national and international lobby that even today, fully expects/expected India to send copious food, medical, and financial aid to help out the pakis.

This lobby had calculated that the pressure of coming elections, both state and national, would force India's hand.

The west, the ummah, and the cheeni are all tired of the constantly begging pakis and their ungrateful and entitled ways.

There is a visible "aid fatigue" that seems to have set in among the usual donating bakras whom the venal pakis have been mercilessly and greedily fleecing for decades.

Moreover, there has never been the slightest sign of gratefulness thus far from the pakis, for "aid" received from any source, since their illegitimate conception about seven decades ago.

India closing the wagah border has been the greatest shock to them, and that includes the paki army, the body politic, the foul mouthed awam, and the multitudes of paki puncher wallahs

So now, Indian media space is being given to the pakis who are now are attempting to develop an alternate narrative using the well worn bogey of the taliban and how the helpless paki establishment will not be able to contain cross border taliban attacks on India.

Modi made a telling point to these lobbies, when he send wheat to afghanistan, and again when he sent aid to turkey and syria after the earthquake

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 19 Feb 2023 12:56

^^^

Pakis are really missing the days of Mani Shankar Aiyer.

took a glance at that farticle, Hamid Mir wants us to believe that the bunnies/alphabet soup of jihadis will drive the US weapons to our borders. someone should write an article in paki media that we can Help pakistan by taking them out like we did in Balakote.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 19 Feb 2023 13:31

The fact that a rabid Abdul like Halfmad gets his articles printed in India is mind boggling. Total population transfer is the only solution.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 19 Feb 2023 14:49

chetak wrote:

There is a visible "aid fatigue" that seems to have set in among the usual donating bakras whom the venal pakis have been mercilessly and greedily fleecing for decades.
...

So now, Indian media space is being given to the pakis who are now are attempting to develop an alternate narrative using the well worn bogey of the taliban and how the helpless paki establishment will not be able to contain cross border taliban attacks on India.

Modi made a telling point to these lobbies, when he send wheat to afghanistan, and again when he sent aid to turkey and syria after the earthquake

True. Firstly, there seems to be a general consensus that it is time to let Pakistan go. It is being abandoned. And in diplomatic style, even Gelf countries are using the IMF negotiations as the excuse to not give into Paki begging. I believe UAE has told Pakis to follow IMF recommendations and added that as condition for further aid or investment.
So Pakis need to cook up yet another reason to make folks indulge. A rehash of stale arguments isnt going to cut it. At some point, patience runs out.
Look at the big picture.There are folks in various governments who review any national goals and strategic value for giving aid to Pakis. Somebody is out there arguing the Paki case. But When they have nothing to show for decades despite sinking billions and when loans have to be written off, and Pakis repeatedly show at their doorstep citing another reason to support them, every babu who sticks their neck out for Pakis will have to cut a very very sorry figure. Only Pakis think that a $10 million aid from US and UAE are a small amount for them. Every transfer is a write off. And someone is being hauled up for it and being asked uncomfortable questions. And everyone seems to have reached a consensus. The Geneva flood aid is a hint - Some $8B pledged , most of it is as a loan and then total silence.

In India, I dont think we should take India Today as representation of any sentiment. Rather quite the opposite. If IndiaToday were right, Pappu would be our PM . I do believe that prevailing general view of Pak is one of disgust, hate and outright abusive stemming from a stronger economy, clever diplomacy and a govt batting for Indian interests. I mean, the dramatic drop in terror attacks doesnt go unnoticed. Every aam aadmi in India uses the choicest expletives for them on SM. Granted it isnt scientific measure but it is surprising to see young adults in SM being deeply aware of Paki nature. I see absolute gems of replies several notches up from BRF style. I guess everyone knows and it is common knowledge that any trouble in kashmir cannot be done without Paki support.

Net , net - it does appear the Paki game was already up, and we are catching up to realize it.

madhu · Post by **madhu** » 19 Feb 2023 15:26

As no god father is helping pak, Will pak use its blueprint of using opium to rise money? Now it has problem importing it from Afgan and has to force it to cultivate. But this is not new ISI had proposed this in 1990s...

early 1991, soon after the US invoked the sanctions under the Pressler Amendment, ‘Pakistan’s army chief and the head of its intelligence agency proposed a detailed “blueprint” for selling heroin to pay for the country’s covert military operations.’ The proposal was revealed by none other than the then prime minister Nawaz Sharif. In an interview to the Washington Post, Sharif claimed that three months after his election as prime minister in November 1990, Gen. Aslam Beg, the then army chief of staff, and Lt Gen. Asad Durrani, then head of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), had told him that ‘large-scale drug deals’ could help pay for the money needed by the armed forces for national security–related covert foreign operations. Sharif claimed he stopped the two generals’ ‘blueprint’ from going into effect.
(Reimagining Pakistan; Husain Haqqani; Loc: 4190-4195 )

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 19 Feb 2023 16:42

madhu wrote:As no god father is helping pak, Will pak use its blueprint of using opium to rise money? Now it has problem importing it from Afgan and has to force it to cultivate. But this is not new ISI had proposed this in 1990s...

.... Sharif claimed he stopped the two generals’ ‘blueprint’ from going into effect....

That is the only part which is unbelievable. Paki PM stopping jernails from doing what they want... like Ameriki presidents believed they controlled the seeeyeaye and their extra-curricular activities.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 19 Feb 2023 18:39

madhu wrote:As no god father is helping pak, Will pak use its blueprint of using opium to rise money? Now it has problem importing it from Afgan and has to force it to cultivate. But this is not new ISI had proposed this in 1990s...

Well, to be frank, even the current generation fantasizes about 'exporting' heroin in order to pull Bhikharistan out of impending economic doom!
I kid you not!

Link

(So what if it is the deff and dumb, atleast they speak good English!)

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Feb 2023 19:09

Manish_P wrote:
madhu wrote:As no god father is helping pak, Will pak use its blueprint of using opium to rise money? Now it has problem importing it from Afgan and has to force it to cultivate. But this is not new ISI had proposed this in 1990s...

That is the only part which is unbelievable. Paki PM stopping jernails from doing what they want... like Ameriki presidents believed they controlled the seeeyeaye and their extra-curricular activities.

this is a load of nonsense by the paki PM. He always gets his cut

the alphabet agency jehadis are already doing this very thing to fund their networks and their paymasters from the alphabet agencies outside are deeply complicit

just because biden says something it does not mean that the deep state and the culinary institute(s) are necessarily going to listen. They became self sustaining a very long time ago and are now completely out of any state control

They got rid of trump by fiddling the presidential election and blaming putin for it

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 19 Feb 2023 19:12

kancha wrote:
madhu wrote:As no god father is helping pak, Will pak use its blueprint of using opium to rise money? Now it has problem importing it from Afgan and has to force it to cultivate. But this is not new ISI had proposed this in 1990s...

Well, to be frank, even the current generation fantasizes about 'exporting' heroin in order to pull Bhikharistan out of impending economic doom!
I kid you not!

It is Afghanistan that exports heroin. Pak consumes it. Taliban has cut Pak out of the profits. Pak army gets a cut if the product is exported through Pak.
Pak army also gets a cut from import of consumer products consigned to Afghanistan (with no import duty and forex paid for by Afghan warlords,
whose money is in Dubai) and destuffed at the border and smuggled back into Pak.

MeshaVishwas · Post by **MeshaVishwas** » 19 Feb 2023 21:34

Fan favourite of Baki watchers in India, Ikram Sehgal, better known as "Pagal Sehgal" makes a rare appearance at the Krachi S*it Fest.
Also seen in video is Wilson center's Kooglekid.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 19 Feb 2023 23:39

Paki Air Force police uses a BMW suv . It costs 60 K in US

https://mobile.twitter.com/fardinmahmud ... 84/photo/1

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Feb 2023 01:59

Remember this fella?

partha wrote:https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/102426 ... re-in-2023

Anujan wrote:This fellow is a closet Jihadi and has been for a long time. Used to be Hilary motorma's advisor. He couldnt resist slipping this one in

Most terrorist activity in Pakistan is sourced from New Delhi

Fellow was writing reasonable sounding articles in Pakistan press about how Pakistan should reform. Then somehow landed in Munich Security Conference. And went and asked IMF chief why IMF did not immediate release money given Pakistan's dire economic situation

Motorma Georgieva was having none of it

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 20 Feb 2023 08:42

Well the ex-Fauji is very truthful that the Fauj wants the rest of pakistani institutions to beg for all the benefits/aid from india while they themselves will do everything to hurt it

Yawn - Dialogue with India on levels other than military ‘need of Pakistan’, says former DG ISPR Athar Abbas

Former Director General (DG) of the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), Major General (retd) Athar Abbas, said on Sunday that dialogue with India on levels other than the security establishment’s is “a need of Pakistan”.

Abbas said, “Dialogue is, at present, a need of our country […]. The way forward is not just the state apparatus, because if you leave it [solely] to the security establishment, there will be no move forward. It will be like taking one step forward and two steps backwards.

“There has to be an initiative […] like track II diplomacy, like media, like business and trade organisations, like academia … and they can interact and create their space within Indian society, etc.

“That builds pressure on the [Indian] government [and] state authorities that they must look into what the people are saying. This is a requirement of time that dialogue is a need of Pakistan.”

If met with resistance, he said, Pakistan could also involve “external actors” such as the US and the European Union.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Feb 2023 09:41

Cars, tyres, textile factories have shut in crisis-hit Pakistan - Bloomberg

A bunch of Pakistan’s biggest companies have halted operations in the past months as they ran out of raw materials or foreign exchange, or both, compounding the troubles of an economy that’s trying to avert a debt default.

The local unit of Suzuki Motor Corp. extended the shutdown of its manufacturing plant to Feb. 21, according to a statement to the stock exchange on Friday, saying that parts shortages are persisting.

Ghandhara Tyre & Rubber Company, which manufactures tires and tubes for automobiles, had shut its plant from Feb. 13, saying it’s facing “immense hurdles towards importing raw materials and obtaining clearance of consignments from commercial banks.” {Average car sales in TSP in normal times is ~15,000 units per month}

Those are just two out of a cluster of listed companies that includes manufacturers of fertilizers, steel and textiles that have shut their factories indefinitely or suspended operations intermittently as they grapple with a shortage in inventory or cash, or even a drop in demand.

Among those that have also shut or slowed operations are GSK Plc’s Pakistan unit, Engro Fertilizers Limited, Fauji Fertilizer Bin Qasim Limited, Nishat Chunian Limited, Amreli Steels Limited, Millat Tractors Limited and Diamond Industries Limited.

“The situation this time has become very critical as compared to the crises we had seen in 2018 or 2008,” said Abbas who expects economic growth to slow to a range of 1%-1.25% this fiscal year ending June from 6% a year ago.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Feb 2023 11:38

Manish_P wrote:Well the ex-Fauji is very truthful that the Fauj wants the rest of pakistani institutions to beg for all the benefits/aid from india while they themselves will do everything to hurt it

Yawn - Dialogue with India on levels other than military ‘need of Pakistan’, says former DG ISPR Athar Abbas

This is WTF along many dimensions

First of all, this was Karachi Literary Festival. What kind of lit fest has such interviews?

Secondly this gent is part of Track Thoo now. So wants more junkets in places like Bangkok to do chai-biskoot with Amonkey Ayesha types from India. If you fly me out to Bangkok every now and then, put me up in a five star hotel, and have week long chai-biskoot sessions, I too will claim that Peearef readers are an integral part of India-Pakistan peace and track-thoo is super important.

Thankfully, word in the street is that indian Amonkey ayesha types have no pull with the current dispensation with India. The worrying thing is that they might have pull with the other dispensation which might or might not be in power in the future.

Lastly

“That builds pressure on the [Indian] government [and] state authorities that they must look into what the people are saying. This is a requirement of time that dialogue is a need of Pakistan.”

Except for lootyens types, nobody in India cares about Pakistan, beyond bringing terrorists to Justice. Why on earth would they "build pressure" in Indian government?

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 20 Feb 2023 11:58

Anujan wrote:...
Thankfully, word in the street is that indian Amonkey ayesha types have no pull with the current dispensation with India. ....

Sir, the takeaway i get is that the Pak goverment and the Pak Fauj have accepted that they have absolutely got no connect, forget pull, with the current Indian government. Kaptaan using the axe given by the fauj (repeal of Art 370), hacked down whatever rope-bridge Badmaash had maintained.

Anujan wrote: ...Except for lootyens types, nobody in India cares about Pakistan, beyond bringing terrorists to Justice. Why on earth would they "build pressure" in Indian government?

He is asking the bollywoodiyas, the couptas, the bajajs, the JNU wallahs to come together to create 'spaces' (lobbies/influence/pressure groups) to generate vote banks which will pressure a change in approach in the dispensation at the center (like the farmer agitation) or prepare grounds for regime change itself.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 20 Feb 2023 12:07

SDREs have closed border on the East and now biraders have closed it on the West.

Taliban shut Torkham border for ‘breach of commitments’

PESHAWAR: The Afghan Taliban authorities on Sunday closed down one of the main trading and border crossing points with Pakistan, accusing Islamabad of reneging on its commitments.

The Afghan Taliban commissioner for Torkham said the border point had been closed down for travel and transit trade.

“Pakistan has not abided by its commitments and so the gateway has been shut down on the directions of (our) leadership,” Taliban commissioner at Torkham Maulavi Mohammad Siddique tweeted.

He advised the people of Afghanistan to avoid travelling to the border crossing in eastern Nangrahar province.

However, the Taliban official didn’t specify the commitment Islamabad allegedly breached. Some unconfirmed media reports suggested the Taliban were irked by an unannounced ban on travel of Afghan patients seeking treatment in Pakistan.

There was no immediate official word from Foreign Office in Islamabad.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Feb 2023 12:30

https://mobile.twitter.com/bsarwary/sta ... 5511285760

BILAL SARWARY
@bsarwary
#AFG “Pakistani forces and Taliban forces exchanged small and heavy weapons in Torkham. Clashes started at 7AM and lasted until 8AM.” Residents and eye witnesses tells me.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 20 Feb 2023 12:33

RAPE university 'education' in bakistan

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 20 Feb 2023 13:00

Manish_P wrote:RAPE university 'education' in bakistan

that is some pukeworthy usage of english, notwithstanding the relevant and important topic under discussion; to wit, short sentences, very little complexity, unnecessary elongation or zero brevity coupled with the already shorter sentences makes the writer comes across as retarded, dissimilar tenses in the same sentence, disjointed flow of action where the characters are jumping all over the place, and in an university paper too, one expects much better from the expert english speakers in sooth asia

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 20 Feb 2023 13:08

Anujan wrote:
Secondly this gent is part of Track Thoo now. So wants more junkets in places like Bangkok to do chai-biskoot with Amonkey Ayesha types from India. If you fly me out to Bangkok every now and then, put me up in a five star hotel, and have week long chai-biskoot sessions, I too will claim that Peearef readers are an integral part of India-Pakistan peace and track-thoo is super important.

Saar, I think Paki side of Aman Ki Asha prefer Bangkok - happy endings are guaranteed no?

Anujan wrote: Thankfully, word in the street is that indian Amonkey ayesha types have no pull with the current dispensation with India. The worrying thing is that they might have pull with the other dispensation which might or might not be in power in the future.

Trust Barkha to sink anything she touches.
AKA was promoted as civilian dialogue and how civvies on both sides are happy. In her own program, she got a dose of reality.

@chintan20
https://twitter.com/chintan20/status/11 ... 0407139329
Barkha Dutt :- Pakistan civilians are good people .

Air Force person who was held for 1 year in Pakistan during 1971 :- Pakistan civilians hate Hindus , they think Hindus should not rule anywhere

Barkha left th topic https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/110214 ... 44/video/1

Anujan wrote:
“That builds pressure on the [Indian] government [and] state authorities that they must look into what the people are saying. This is a requirement of time that dialogue is a need of Pakistan.”
Except for lootyens types, nobody in India cares about Pakistan, beyond bringing terrorists to Justice. Why on earth would they "build pressure" in Indian government?

Good to see Pakis hoping for good 'ol times. Stuck in the past while India moves on. The empty hollow sound of silence from the Indian side must prick any hopes they have. Poor fellow...doesnt realize Indian AKA is nowhere and looks like even the original Indian gang have gone their own ways. Perhaps each one and their egos wanted to claim honours in international stage on AKA and ended up screwing each other

SVaradarajan - is seen as a low life rabble rouser
Suhasini Haider - "Diplomatic Affairs Editor" - She thinks she is some master analyst.
Barkha - De-branded, De-platformed - all of her own making

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 20 Feb 2023 13:18

Wow I saw the news article in the Dawn and wondered what the "objectionable" question would be... I wondered if it was to do with Pak ideology, or 2 nation theory, or some serious discussion on how things were before profit. But this one is just mind blowing. Sick and perverted, but then it's par for the course over there.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Feb 2023 21:32

Manish_P wrote:RAPE university 'education' in bakistan
......

The NYPost provides some context:
https://nypost.com/2023/02/20/professor ... -question/

The controversial question was first posed in 2000 by University of Virginia professor Jonathan Haidt during a study on whether moral judgments were based on “reason, or on intuition and emotion.”

Jonathan Haidt:

https://polpsy.ca/wp-content/uploads/20 ... rklund.pdf

Are moral judgments based on reason, or on intuition and emotion? Thirty participants were presented with a classic moral reasoning dilemma, and with four tasks that were designed to put intuition and reason into conflict.

Five tasks were used: one moral reasoning story, and four other stories designed to trigger intuitive judgments (see Appendix for full scripts). The "moral reasoning" story was taken from Kohlberg (1969). Commonly referred to as the "Heinz dilemma," this story depicts a man (Heinz) who steals a drug to save the life of his dying wife. This story was chosen because it requires tradeoffs between competing interests and is therefore expected to trigger dispassionate moral reasoning. Furthermore this particular story has been the most widely used story in all of morality research, so it offers a clear anchor point for comparisons with other kinds of moral stories.

To contrast with the Heinz dilemma we used two "moral intuition" stories, written to be simultaneously harmless yet disgusting. One of these stories (Incest) depicts consensual incest between two adult siblings, and the other (Cannibal) depicts a woman cooking and eating a piece of flesh from a human cadaver donated for research to the medical school pathology lab at which she works. These stories were chosen because they were expected to cause the participant to quickly and intuitively "see-that" the act described was morally wrong. Yet since the stories were carefully written to be harmless, the participant would be prevented from finding the usual “reasoning-why” about harm that participants in Western cultures commonly use to justify moral condemnation. For this reason we predicted that these two stories would produce different profiles of judgment when compared to the Heinz dilemma.

In addition we used two "non-moral intuition" tasks: Roach and Soul. Roach was taken from Rozin, Millman, and Nemeroff (1986). In this task the participant is asked to drink from a glass of juice both before and after a sterilized cockroach has been dipped into it. In the Soul task the participant is offered two dollars to sign a piece of paper and then rip it up; on the paper are the words "I, (participant's name), hereby sell my soul, after my death, to Scott Murphy [the experimenter], for the sum of two dollars." At the bottom of the page a note was printed that said: "this is not a legal or binding contract" (see Appendix). These tasks were designed to produce the same cognitive situation as the moral intuition tasks: a clear “seeing-that” the act was wrong or undesirable, coupled with a difficulty in finding “reasoning-why” to justify one’s refusal.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Feb 2023 06:30

Manish_P wrote:Well the ex-Fauji is very truthful that the Fauj wants the rest of pakistani institutions to beg for all the benefits/aid from india while they themselves will do everything to hurt it

Yawn - Dialogue with India on levels other than military ‘need of Pakistan’, says former DG ISPR Athar Abbas

I couldnt resist and actually watched the Panel. Here is what the "peacenik" had to say: "Now is not the right time, there will come a time where we take back Kashmir" and the audience applauds.

He said the quiet part out loud and our lootyens type still keep falling for it.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Feb 2023 06:37

Here is an article about the lootyens type from a person who calls a spade a spade

https://www.livemint.com/opinion/column ... 52213.html

India has no reason at all to help Pakistan in its crisis

Sunil Jakhar, former president of the Congress in Punjab, who joined the Bharatiya Janata Party last year, tweeted: “As millions suffer food shortages, a virtually bankrupt Pakistan desperately needs help. A confident India should support a beleaguered neighbour, despite inimical designs of its deep state. Let’s reciprocate the spirit of goodwill which made Kartarpur corridor possible."

The wily Pervez Musharraf seemed able to play some of these people like Yo-Yo Ma plays the cello. This was a military dictator who had launched the completely unprovoked war in Kargil and presided over a sharp rise in terror attacks and deaths of innocents in Kashmir and the rest of India. Yet, during the India-Pakistan Agra summit meeting in 2001, at a breakfast for senior journalists hosted by Musharraf, my boss told the general: “I support you so much that in India, they call me your man." I can say this now because Vir Sanghvi, former editor of Hindustan Times, who was present there, recently wrote about what transpired.

I tracked down who this WKK was

https://www.virsanghvi.com/Article-Deta ... x?key=1986

Some of it, I suppose, was down to the Punjabi factor. In that era (but perhaps less so now), many Punjabis trotted out the nonsensical “we are the same people, yaar, “ banalities, lit candles on the Wagah border and believed that jhappi and pappi could achieve what foreign policy could not.

That’s the only explanation I can find for my old friend Vinod Mehta’s behaviour. “Sir," he gushed to Musharraf, “I support you so much that in India they call me your man”.

Musharraf nodded gravely, taking this compliment as his due and went on to the next editor, confident that more tail-wagging would follow.

Prannoy Roy and I spoiled his little party. I said what I thought was obvious: this man was the architect of Kargil. Why should any Indian trust him now?

Musharraf was slightly incredulous that the hitherto unbroken chain of sycophancy had been severed. “Trust, trust?” he bristled. “This question should have been asked before you invited me here. Not after.”

Worse was to follow (from Musharraf’s point of view, at least). It was Prannoy Roy’s turn next and he asked another question that seemed to me to be the key to the General’s credibility. Musharraf had spent so long talking about the wishes of the people of Kashmir but wasn’t it odd that he himself had forcibly seized power in a military coup, not because of the wishes of the people of Pakistan?

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 21 Feb 2023 07:44

Anujan wrote:...

I couldnt resist and actually watched the Panel. Here is what the "peacenik" had to say: "Now is not the right time, there will come a time where we take back Kashmir" and the audience applauds.

...

Bravery of senior maulaners to watch Pakis speaking is something I have admired..

But yes sir, that what I meant when I said the paki faujis, serving or retired, are very clear and unwavering in their aims regarding India. Our good fortune that they are so incompetent and the number of idiots on our side is decreasing.

Till then as one of our soldiers said - kitne ghazi aaye, kitne ghazi gaye