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Haresh wrote:

Tanaji wrote:Another point I have wondered: how is it that Pakistanis have such a disproportionate influence on Democrats in US and Labour in UK? Indians in these countries take pride in the fact that they are one of the highly educated, financially well off and successful minorities in their countries, ahead of the Pakistanis as well. And yet, the latter have more of an influence?

I can tell you from the UK PoV.

Those who shout the most, get the most.
No one screams and shouts and plays the victim more than the peaceful one's.
It is constant, their sense of victim hood, total disregard for any responsibility, constantly claiming to be hard done by.

Western leftist politics is about superficially caring for the poor/underprivileged/ Not individual ambition or responsibility. The wealthy, even moderately wealthy, the home owners, law abiding are despised by the left.

Us Indians, we don't do the entire victim hood business.We are the The wealthy, even moderately wealthy, the home owners, law abiding, ambitious, educated.

The left have a very superficial grasp of issues. If Kamala Harris had been asked when she was talking to about "The Kashmiris", who are the Kashmiris, what is the history of that region, can you please explain the demographics and how they have been changed over the centuries, she would have had no answer.

The peacefuls shout loud and a lot, we do not. I have said too many Indians, we will be next, don't support the palestinians, this is not unconnected. Now the left, and I am sure you have seen the banners to the effect "palestine and kashmir will be free"

We are too passive.Too divided. Divided by caste, regionalism etc.
What leaders that exist are leaders only amongst their own "Community" and that means caste.

I am quite aggressive in answering questions and high handedness from lefty patronising goras.
You should all be as well

In short, this is all about overarching identity. For both muslim and hindu Indian diaspora, national identity isn't the most important parameter of identity. For muslims it is the religious identity and for the hindus it is the regional identity or the caste identity. Sometimes the regional and caste identity fuses into one and other times, it may not. For instances a Kapu would be a Teluguite. But for a Kamma Naidu, the regional identity could be that of a Tamil or Telugu. That is because, a Kamma Naidu might traces his ancestry for a few generations at least to the land of Tamils. So it is natural for him to have an ambivalent attitude to any one dominant identity.

Good post Vishal.

It is a basic geo-politics.
Unfortunately, many makers and breakers within our own establishment have their interests aligned with the West, for little crumbs.

If you think people posting here to be optimistic of the Democrats are naive.
Think again Vishal.
They are not that naive. Most/majority (not all of them to be very clear) of these supposed BRF rakshaks are NRI/Americans/PIO etc. And their material interests are aligned with the West. If the West sinks, their own fortunes will dip.
This basic dependence explains their urge to rationalize every Western banditry that we confront on daily basis.

Although, it doesn't belong here.

Why don't we have a civilizational ally? Think it over.

Why all this rona dhona that Kamala Harris is not overtly displaying her Indianness and Hindu roots on her sleeve? She is an America born, American product, running for an American office. India and its concerns would fall somewhere far down in her list of priorities _today_. Nothing wrong in that, her electorate are US citizen, not India's. Let her do what she needs to do to get elected first.

India has turned the American establishment's attitude towards it by 180° by engaging with prior Presidents & VPs with zero Indian connections and decades of mistrust. Who would have bet 5 years ago that we can get so much rapprochement with a mercurial persona like Trump and his revolving door officials? We can definitely go much further with KH & JB.

Keep the faith on Indian Govt and MEA's ability to articulate more convergences and become a compelling partner to solidify the relationship. And no matter how visibly they are Pro-India or not, Indian diaspora will play their part in the journey.

Haresh wrote:

Tanaji wrote:Another point I have wondered: how is it that Pakistanis have such a disproportionate influence on Democrats in US and Labour in UK? Indians in these countries take pride in the fact that they are one of the highly educated, financially well off and successful minorities in their countries, ahead of the Pakistanis as well. And yet, the latter have more of an influence?

I can tell you from the UK PoV.

Those who shout the most, get the most.
No one screams and shouts and plays the victim more than the peaceful one's.
It is constant, their sense of victim hood, total disregard for any responsibility, constantly claiming to be hard done by.

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Technically, there's no direct connection between these matters and India's interests. They are the interests of the British of Indian origin, or Americans of Indian origin.

It may be true that Indians in either of those aren't politically united as you describe. However, in both countries they sit clearly up the top of the socio-economic ladder. In fact, it's specifically those Indians who aren't allegedly politically savvy, who are the most socio-economically successful. So that's credit to them.

Now, from an Indian perspective, all that matters to this thread is whether their ability to influence affects the country's ties to India. The ethnic/racial votebanks of the other countries are only a concern to those who are nationals there, but demonstrably it hasn't prevented them from achieving success in life. It's also not clear how it affects India and ties to India directly.

Please keep the discussion focused on topic. Just the fact that it's election season doesn't mean the forum entertains freestyle conversation about it - there are other websites for the purpose.

SRoy wrote:Good post Vishal.Why don't we have a civilizational ally? Think it over.

There is no such as a "civilizational ally". Word play is self delusion.

If you want to excert strategic shift in the minds of the policy makers in the west then start by abolishing democracy in india and shift to "communist/capitalist" system, similar to the Chinese.

Currently, you have given them(the west) the gift(of democracy in india) for free. Take away that gift and see how they placate your strategic interests, seeking for you to restore democracy.

https://twitter.com/nwarikoo/status/129 ... 30114?s=21

Kamala Harris' aunt said Kamala still practices Tamil, Indian customs: "Even though she was born & brought up in America, my sister has inculcated in her South Indian culture & values. She believes in going to the temple because her mother believed in it."

My last on this whole Kamala thing. It’s so much nonsense at this point that it’s not worth regurgitating anymore.

WRT to US presidential elections, all that needs to be said is what their policy is towards India. Nothing more. At this time the UNPA policy is anti-Indian more so than the Republican EJs. Trump's policy toward India has been strategically beneficial.

I am in agreement with Mort.
The way I see it is deep down both Democrat and Republican party have been anti-India. But today Democrats are totally controlled by radical leftists who are aligned with islamists. Together they hold a strong ideological position of anti-hindu (India) stance and will take that position when in power.
On the other hand Republican party is mostly Trump driven, who is more of transactional than ideological. He is driven by the common people his supporters. For the common American people (or core Trump supporters) islamic terrorism, radical leftists and the jobs (China) are the primary concern. India and hinduism is way down in their list of concern.
Trump maybe open to India favorable policies of supplying strategic weapons, or seat at UN, advocate India in NATO allies, G7 economic group etc and may facilitate US companies setup shop in India as moving away from China for diversification.
In the least if Trump does not do anything directly pro-India, but he will keep busy hitting at China, islamic terrorism etc. That itself keeps US away being a mole/obstruction in India's growth path. Also China and islamic world mainly tied up with US, gives India un-obstructed opportunity in its development and advancement both economically and militarily. This 2nd term is a critical phase of Modi govt need to push further without derailing due to external threats and interference.

Common people in USA are just like any normal people in India and share many similar values. Maybe with more interaction at the leadership level and the old guard retiring, the young gen may have a different opinion of India and change their stand in future. Thats the hope.

US Returns 10 Smuggled Artefacts To India; Here Are Six Reasons Why This Is Significant
https://swarajyamag.com/heritage/us-ret ... ignificant
Earlier today (15 August), authorities of the United States government (US) handed over 10 heritage artefacts to India in a small ceremony.

Such marking of the Indian Independence day festivities with restitutions of heritage artefacts has begun to look like an annual tradition now — for the past two years, the Indian High Commission in London, too, has received such restitutions on 15 August (2018 – Nalanda Buddha, 2019 Chandavaram limestone pillar and Narthana Krishna Bronze).

But there is something quite unique in today’s restitution from the U.S.

Before getting into the details, it is important to say that India owes a great debt and thanks for the years of hard work put in these cases by Manhattan District Attorney’s office, including Colonel Matthew Bogdanos, Brenton Easter from US Immigrations And Customs Enforcement, and support from investigative journalists Jason Felch, Michaela Boland and the volunteers of India Pride Project.

Here’s why today’s restitution is significant.

US Elections: Why Kamala Harris Is Not Good For India’s Long-Term Interests
https://swarajyamag.com/videos/us-elect ... -interests

https://youtu.be/3mN4yFPv0Cg


Hankering After Harris: Why Indians Must Be Shaken Off The Delusion
https://swarajyamag.com/blogs/hankering ... e-delusion

Some threats identified: islamists, pakistanis, chinese, christian missionaries, secularism, etc. Did Biden cataloged them?

Not a word about Hindus or Hinduism.

If elected, will stand with India in confronting threats facing it: Joe Biden
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/if-e ... den-320870

Note how this news site or PTI carefully doesn't use word Hindu and uses words South A. I suspect that most likely Trump's team wanted to use words like Hindu.

Trump campaign creates coalitions to woo.....
https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll ... rs/1916257
Washington, Aug 15 (PTI) US President Donald Trump''s reelection campaign has launched four new coalitions as it seeks to boost its appeal to Indian-American, Sikh, Muslim and other South A***** communities ahead of the general election.

The coalitions -- ''Indian Voices for Trump,'' ''Hindu Voices for Trump,'' ''Sikhs for Trump'' and ''Muslim Voices for Trump'' -- will engage community members nationwide to fight against Joe Biden and Kamala Harris'' socialist agenda and ensure prosperity and security for four more years, the campaign said in a statement on Friday.

darshan wrote: Hankering After Harris: Why Indians Must Be Shaken Off The Delusion
https://swarajyamag.com/blogs/hankering ... e-delusion

Biden is a recipient of Pakistan’s second-highest civilian award ‘Hilal-e-Pakistan’ in 2015 for introducing a $1.5 billion non-military annual grant to Islamabad from 2010 to 2014.

He has often made statements against India’s Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) and National Register of Citizens (NRC), showing his displeasure against these laws, and promising that if he is elected, he will raise the issue of Kashmir at international forums, and it is obvious who he will favour.

He is considered to have a deep influence in Pakistan politics as it is said that he was responsible for convincing General Pervez Musharraf to switch from being a military ruler to a democratically-elected leader.

In the words of prime minister Yousaf Raza Gillani in 2009, “he has done a lot for Pakistan”.

It was actually in 2008:

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari announced Tuesday government awards for U.S. Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden and Republican Senator Richard Lugar.

Biden and Lugar in July introduced a bipartisan U.S. aid plan which calls for $1.5 billion per year in non-military spending to support economic development in Pakistan.

Zardari had awarded them the “Hilal-i-Pakistan” (Crescent of Pakistan) “in recognition of their consistent support for Pakistan,” the government said in a statement.

It is with utmost certainty that Biden will restore at least $500 million per year in aid to Pakistan, if not closer to $1.5 billion/year. Pakistan's currency will stabilize along with its macro-economic situation. It will allow Pakistan to export more terror and kill more Indians.

darshan wrote:Some threats identified: islamists, pakistanis, chinese, christian missionaries, secularism, etc. Did Biden cataloged them?

Not a word about Hindus or Hinduism.

If elected, will stand with India in confronting threats facing it: Joe Biden
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/if-e ... den-320870

You're mistaken. He will stand with Indians in confronting and removing from power the fascist Modi and BJP government. Restoration of "minority" communities and Cashmere autonomy.

Biden wants to take away human rights from Hindus and wants to restore rights of islamists to oppress non muslim kashmiris. Especially rights of lower caste Hindus like valmiki.

US Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden asks India to restore Kashmiris’ rights
http://kashmirwatch.com/us-democratic-p ... is-rights/

https://twitter.com/pardesseleh/status/ ... 50144?s=21
There is a video in that tweet. Interview is slightly NSFW. It’s hilarious.

Deleted. Please don't post noise from US internal politics here.

It reminds of me of is the CCP Chinese in the US.

A former colleague of mine in the 90s who got his Masters in CompSci from a US school could not count more than a hundred in English, which left me wondering how he go thru his TOEFL.

mappunni wrote: A former colleague of mine in the 90s who got his Masters in CompSci from a US school could not count more than a hundred in English, which left me wondering how he go thru his TOEFL.

It's similar to conversation I had with an university professor couple weeks ago when we were talking about espionage in academia and he brought up the same observation that universities would not send them home packing after learning that they couldn't have passed any English test. Their questions and interests also raised lot of concerns but university would look other way.

darshan wrote:

mappunni wrote: A former colleague of mine in the 90s who got his Masters in CompSci from a US school could not count more than a hundred in English, which left me wondering how he got thru his TOEFL.

It's similar to a conversation I had with a university professor a couple of weeks ago when we were talking about espionage in academia and he brought up the same observation that universities would not send them home packing after learning that they couldn't have passed any English test. Their questions and interests also raised a lot of concerns but the university would look the other way.

This guys would go ballistic when he would hear of any FDI in India. It was something of a FAB plant that Intel or someone had decided to put up in India in the late 90s or early 2000, but it never went thru. He never switched or moved on, stayed back at the same job, twenty plus years and counting.

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Suraj has clearly stated multiple times on what works for this thread - Policy positions and statements of candidates that are relevant to India and as a PIO (not just relevant to an American)

No more personal commentary on the personal sides of the candidates please. It is of zero interest to India and OT for this thread

The level of ignorance and animosity in the West about Hinduism makes it feel very unappealing for second or third generation Indian Americans. Especially if they are only half Indian American and their socil circle is primarily non Indian American. So it's understandable why they would choose a convenient religion to blend in. It's lot easier to celebrate Christmas and Easter than to explain Kali and Durga and Shivling to Hinduphobes.

This also means these converts believe that caste system is a Hindu thing (it's a social thing) and hence India inherently practices discrimination and they need to stand up for justice. All the anti Hindu act of Indian American politicians has Hinduphobia at its core. Also Dems are totally indebted to Chinese campaign funding and Islamic campaign funding. They are unlikely to take a hard stand against Chinese expansionism and Islamic terrorism. A Republican govt in US is in India's best interests.

Skanda wrote:https://twitter.com/pardesseleh/status/ ... 50144?s=21
There is a video in that tweet. Interview is slightly NSFW. It’s hilarious.

Not my type of comedy but hilarious to watch the trolling..Hear the two ladies talk about Modi and Kashmir. The left liberals in US have convinced themselves that Modi is evil incarnate they need to work against and India is doing some injustice to Kashmir.

Did Sen. Kamala Harris advise/help/hinder directly/indirectly on the California Textbook Controversy (i.e., Negative portrayal of Hinduism)? After all she was the AG and AFAIK the case went to the courts.

krithivas wrote:Did Sen. Kamala Harris advise/help/hinder directly/indirectly on the California Textbook Controversy (i.e., Negative portrayal of Hinduism)? After all she was the AG and AFAIK the case went to the courts.

She didn't do diddly-squat on Textbook issue. She doesn't engage with Hindus also unlike Tulsi Gabbard.

Equality Labs: Transporting Racist European Indology And Indian Anti-Hindu Movements To American Shores
https://swarajyamag.com/blogs/equality- ... can-shores
Despite embracing an anti-racism rhetoric, Equality Labs promotes debunked racist theories about Hindus and Indians in general - theories that can be traced directly to British and German Indologists.

Equality Labs promotes itself as a social justice organisation that fights for justice and the freedom of the oppressed south Asians. In reality, however, the organisation focuses on demeaning and defaming Hinduism and its adherents and promoting hatred for both.

This will be illustrated through a review of the organisation’s publications and social media posts and a review of its connection to historical figures, who were prominent in spreading hatred for Hinduism and its adherents.

Of all the adherents of Hinduism, Equality Labs is most obsessed with Brahmins, the subset of Hindus who were traditionally engaged in acquiring, preserving and transmitting knowledge in a variety of areas including philosophy, astronomy and Sanskrit.

The Brahmins, who represent no more than 5 per cent of India’s population today, have been the prime targets of the organisation’s hate. This hate is driven by a fallacious claim that the Brahmins represent a privileged class.

Historically, erudite Brahmins generally shunned material wealth and possessions and lived an austere life focused on their spiritual and academic pursuits.

Trump elevated ties with India like no other US president: White House official
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/trum ... ial-321425
President Donald Trump has "elevated and solidified" America's growing and critical partnership with India in ways not seen in any previous US administrations, according to a senior White House official.

President Trump has prioritised US-India relationship and worked to expand all facets of the partnership over the last three-and-a-half years, the senior administration official from the National Security Council of the White House told PTI on Monday.

Note that Kamala Harris's sister Maya Harris is associated with Ford Foundation as well.

Looks like a Dem victory will trigger another Kashmir intifada, designed to elicit repression and US interference.

Hope India is aware and getting ready.

Shivshankar Menon too is batting for US intervention in the internal affairs of India by his slanted commentary. Also letting "interventionist" within the US system but especially the Democrats know that they have allies like him inside the Indian system willing to take on Modi over his supposed "controversial" domestic agenda.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 645907.cms
Trump's free pass to Modi on home agenda: Shivshankar Menon {ET summary of Menon's FP article}

NEW DELHI: Former national security adviser (NSA) Shivshankar Menon has alleged that US President Donald Trump has given “the Modi government a free pass on its controversial domestic agenda” and that this has drawn sharp reactions from the Democrats, threatening the bipartisanship consensus in the US on strengthening ties with India.

In an article written in American magazine Foreign Affairs ahead of the US presidential election, Menon wrote, “Under Modi, India has excluded Muslim immigrants from the path to citizenship and limited the autonomy of the Muslim-majority Jammu and Kashmir region. Uninterested in human rights and democracy, Trump has given the Modi government a free pass on its controversial domestic agenda.”

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Menon went on to claim that it has largely been the Democrats, including Indian American members of Congress, such as Pramila Jayapal of Washington State and Ro Khanna of California, who have expressed public disquiet about some of Modi’s domestic policies. “The bipartisan consensus in the United States on strengthening ties with India is in danger,” the former NSA alleged.

I have always maintained that NDA turning a Nelsons eye to the Lutyens-INC-Left ecosystem would come back to trouble us all throughout, from street protests to riots to defaming India at the international level. Above is another example.

Why is it the left/INC resort to calling for external interference in India to settle political scores? It’s one thing for SS Menon to be critical of the government, but this is treasonous.

As always, the professor has got it absolutely right

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Kaamala Harris/Pramila Jaipal/Padma Lakshmi --Dear US citizens--sorry for inflicting these Tamils on you--the better ones are Sundar Pichai/Indira Krishnamurthy (Noory) etc--Dont blame us Tamils --it takes all sorts to make a USA.

Mort Walker wrote:Why is it the left/INC resort to calling for external interference in India to settle political scores? It’s one thing for SS Menon to be critical of the government, but this is treasonous.

does anyone have access to the entire article,

it's behind a paywall.

chetak wrote:

Mort Walker wrote:Why is it the left/INC resort to calling for external interference in India to settle political scores? It’s one thing for SS Menon to be critical of the government, but this is treasonous.

does anyone have access to the entire article,

it's behind a paywall.

Here it is.

williams wrote:

chetak wrote:
does anyone have access to the entire article,

it's behind a paywall.

Here it is.

many thanks saar.

He is the infamous sharm-al-sheikh babuz who led MMS to that massive fiasco, not that MMS needed much leading because the pakis were already leading the dumb sardar by the short and curlies

Mort Walker wrote:Why is it the left/INC resort to calling for external interference in India to settle political scores? It’s one thing for SS Menon to be critical of the government, but this is treasonous.

Well, this is the guy who managed the whole Sharm el-sheik fiasco when MMS did an equal-equal act with the Pakis after the Mumbai incident. There are so many gems like this in our MEA babudom. Here are some nuggets from that article that will tell his thought process.

Narendra Modi, another leader who has resorted to ultranationalism to compensate for his divisive domestic agenda. 

Under Modi, India has excluded Muslim immigrants from the path to citizenship and limited the autonomy of the Muslim-majority Jammu and Kashmir region. Uninterested in human rights and democracy, Trump has given the Modi government a free pass on its controversial domestic agenda. 

This is treason now doubt about it.

It has largely been Democrats, including Indian American members of Congress, such as Pramila Jayapal of Washington State and Ro Khanna of California, who have expressed public disquiet about some of Modi’s domestic policies. The bipartisan consensus in the United States on strengthening ties with India is in danger.

If you recall EAM Jaishankar refused to meet Pramila Jayapal

Modi’s calls for self-reliance could extend to import substitution, the strategy of discouraging foreign imports and encouraging domestic production, which India tried unsuccessfully beginning in the late 1950s. That strategy is unlikely to work any better this time around.

So he likes India to be in the perpetual state of subservience. He does not want India to be self reliant.

^^^^^^^

IIRC, wasn't he the one who wanted to gift siachen away to the pakis

so why stop with siachen, why not the red fort which has always been a particularly prurient wet dream of the pakis.