Internal Security Watch

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 25 Jun 2012 21:39

ramana wrote:vijayK, Is this guy linked to DCH urf Daoud Gilani also?

could not ascertain. Will search for it.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 25 Jun 2012 22:21

Ramana ji, he has confirmed he was in the control room and he knew of headley's operations in India

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 25 Jun 2012 23:05

Asian homeland security summit starts in London

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 569807.ece

Experts from India and Pakistan are attending a three-day ‘Asian Homeland Security and Counter-terror Summit’ amid concerns that many countries of the region, including India, are not fully equipped, either in terms of trained manpower or modern weapon systems, to deal with growing security threats.

Pathikrit Payne of Security-Watch India, organisers of the summit that started here on Monday, said that after the Mumbai attacks, the Indian Government had “woken up” to the need to strengthen its counter-terror infrastructure, and there were signs of “a structural shift happening in India’s internal security architecture.”

Modernising India’s police force, comprising some 2.8 million personnel, was “a daunting challenge” and required massive investment in technology needed to deal with threats to internal security, he said.

Billed as “the first initiative of its kind” to bring counter-terror experts, decision-makers, academics and diplomats under one roof, the summit will focus on the “needs and challenges” of Asian homeland security in the age of terror.

Those slated to speak include G. Parthasarathy, former High Commissioner to Pakistan, who will share India’s experience with terrorism, and how it intends to cope with new challenges; Sunil Khilnani, Director of the King’s College London’s India Institute; Maleeha Lodhi, former ambassador of Pakistan to America and Britain; and Stephen Cohen, well-known South Asian expert at Brookings Institute.

Though dressed up as a brainstorming exercise — Tory MP Patrick Mercer described it as a forum for “swapping intellectual ideas” — the summit is really designed to boost global weapons trade in the emerging Asian markets, as countries in the region step up spending on homeland security due to fears of increased terror threats.

India’s current annual spending on internal security — estimated around 17 to 18 billion dollars — is expected to go up significantly in the coming years, making it one of the most sought-after markets in Asia for western weapons suppliers.

Promised exposure to “a market estimated at $1 trillion during the next seven years,” suppliers are working overtime to pitch their products to potential buyers.

Why is it that we need to go and conduct such summits in london out of all places?

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 25 Jun 2012 23:22

^^^^^

My question too.
That conf should have been held either in Delhi or Bangkok or Singapore....
Why in aunty's turf?

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 25 Jun 2012 23:59

Kati wrote:^^^^^

My question too.
That conf should have been held either in Delhi or Bangkok or Singapore....
Why in aunty's turf?

The summit is being held by a private event management company with offices in London and Delhi. It is owned by a company called Global Energy based in Delhi, with Maj Gen (Retd.) N.S. Pathania as its MD. It is being held in London because the summit has an exhibition area where companies selling security and counter terrorism equipment will take stalls to showcase their wares. Most of these companies exist in the West, hence the choice of London. These kind of events always have sessions where experts are invited to speak -- but that is only a sideshow to attract visitors to the exhibition. The profit in holding such events comes from the exhibition.

Here is the official website of the summit: http://swuk.org/index.aspx

Aaryan · Post by **Aaryan** » 26 Jun 2012 01:49

X posting from another thread just for getting more eye ball and some responce..

Dear all,
Sometimes I feel that we all are honest, thoughtful , so patriotic just because all we do is sit in a comfortable office/home , do some surfing and then share that information or comment on that info. I don’t say its bad.. but can we do more? I personally find few posts and most of the persons who post them as persons of morals, ethics and super intelligence.. Can we make sure the information and its analysis that’s done here reaches to many more… Can we act as an strategic think tank.. Can we do something and make things happen rather than just watch them and comment on them… CAN WE BE THE VOICE WHICH CANNOT BE IGNORED ESILY..I have few things in mind.. will post them according to the feedback I get…

Aaryan · Post by **Aaryan** » 26 Jun 2012 01:50

X posting from another thread just for getting more eye ball and some responce..

Dear all,
Sometimes I feel that we all are honest, thoughtful , so patriotic just because all we do is sit in a comfortable office/home , do some surfing and then share that information or comment on that info. I don’t say its bad.. but can we do more? I personally find few posts and most of the persons who post them as persons of morals, ethics and super intelligence.. Can we make sure the information and its analysis that’s done here reaches to many more… Can we act as an strategic think tank.. Can we do something and make things happen rather than just watch them and comment on them… CAN WE BE THE VOICE WHICH CANNOT BE IGNORED ESILY..I have few things in mind.. will post them according to the feedback I get…

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 26 Jun 2012 03:55

nawabs wrote:Why is it that we need to go and conduct such summits in london out of all places?

Good question and to add to what varunkumar has already said, first of all I think this is the official site than the one Varun posted http://www.securingasia2012.com/home.aspx

The need is "Business" purely the rest is maya only. Organizers are "Global Energy Private Limited (explained by varun) in association with its knowledge partner Security Watch India (SWI) a leading global, non-partisan research based organisation and business facilitator." (see, the need) clicky

As you can see their steering committee has gora pakis,Indian and a true blue paki Tarique Ghaffur, more info from wiki...

On 28 August 2008, Ghaffur held a press conference at which he accused the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Sir Ian Blair, of racism and discrimination, and confirmed speculation that he would take proceedings against Sir Ian and the MPS at an employment tribunal.[12] In the following days, Ghaffur claimed, he received death threats which he claims to believe come (in part) from within the MPS. As a consequence he says he considered a leave of absence, and his lawyers hired a firm of private bodyguards to secure his safety. Although he has disclosed them in the media, Ghaffur has not reported these death threats to the police, claiming that he has lost faith in the ability and willingness of the police to protect him.

On 25 November 2008, the Metropolitan Police Authority confirmed that Tarique Ghaffur had agreed an out-of-court settlement for £300,000 in his racial discrimination claim against Scotland Yard. Both parties agreed to a confidentiality clause and Ghaffur retired from the Metropolitan Police on 27 November 2008. mission accomplished

Education

Ghaffur studied at Manchester Metropolitan University and graduated BA (Hons) in Public Administration and MA in Criminology.and a pee-ehh-dee in extort-inology awarded on 27 November 2008

More about SWI from their site http://securitywatchindia.org.in/index.aspx

Interesting thing is that a company totally in energy business is carrying out what basically is a "buy my weapons" exhibition and I'am surprised to see some of the Indian names participating. More should be dug about this....

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 26 Jun 2012 14:55

http://twocircles.net/2012jun19/cpim_le ... engal.html

habal · Post by **habal** » 26 Jun 2012 15:05

nawabs wrote: Though dressed up as a brainstorming exercise — Tory MP Patrick Mercer described it as a forum for “swapping intellectual ideas” — the summit is really designed to boost global weapons trade in the emerging Asian markets, as countries in the region step up spending on homeland security due to fears of increased terror threats.

India’s current annual spending on internal security — estimated around 17 to 18 billion dollars — is expected to go up significantly in the coming years, making it one of the most sought-after markets in Asia for western weapons suppliers.

Promised exposure to “a market estimated at $1 trillion during the next seven years,” suppliers are working overtime to pitch their products to potential buyers.

Why is it that we need to go and conduct such summits in london out of all places?[/quote]

Answer lies in the article itself.

It's a conference organized by the global arms mafia/middlemen. London is their base. Spending more on 'internal-security' also means having a more robust civilian surveillance regime in place. India has to eventually turn into a police state like US/UK & curtail civilian rights. This will be helped and aided along the way by more terror attacks if the country shows any recalcitrance.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 26 Jun 2012 16:24

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 78883.aspx

Maharashtra's minister of state for education Fauzia Khan on Tuesday denied any links with arrested 26/11 terrorist Abu Jundal. Khan's denial came after allegations that Jundal, an Indian mastermind pf the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks, allegedly spent a day in a room at the old legislators' hostel near Mantralaya in 2009. Khan was then a member of legislative council.
"Many people stay at my government accommodation and it is not possible for me to be aware of the credentials of everyone of them," said Khan while reacting to the allegation.

She, however, conceded to fully cooperating with the police in the investigation. "I have no idea why my name is being dragged into this. I do not know Jundal," Khan told mediapersons in Mumbai.

Our sickular education minister sponsors Paki terrorists.

Sonia now wants to drop Pranab in favor of this guy. He has right credentials in her opinion.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 26 Jun 2012 17:07

"Many people stay at my government accommodation and it is not possible for me to be aware of the credentials of everyone of them," said Khan while reacting to the allegation.

So can i also stay there ????

So anyone can just simply walk into it without her known about it...

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 26 Jun 2012 22:19

^^ YES as long as you support ISI and work with Pakis to kill Indians in buses, trains, streets, hotels or academic institutions. Can you prove your record? If you can, you are welcome. They will also fund you to write a book on "How Modi/RSS did all train blasts". DogVijay will release the book.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 27 Jun 2012 00:56

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/ ... U620120626

n alleged key plotter in the 2008 Mumbai attacks now in Indian police custody had been living in Saudi Arabia for two years and was "talent-spotting" for another "massive attack", an Indian police official said on Tuesday.

Sayeed Zabiuddin Ansari, also known as Abu Hamza and Abu Jindal, was arrested at Delhi airport on June 21 on his arrival from Saudi Arabia. Police revealed his arrest only on Monday, after interrogating him for five days about the three-day rampage in the financial hub of Mumbai that killed 166 people.

Police said Ansari helped coordinate the attack by 10 members of Pakistan's Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) militant group from a "control room" in the Pakistani city of Karachi and also helped to train the gunmen.

Until his arrest, Ansari had been living in Saudi Arabia on a Pakistani passport, an official at New Delhi's anti-terrorist police unit told Reuters on condition of anonymity.
During his stay in the desert kingdom, Ansari sought to recruit volunteers for another Mumbai-style attack, the official said. He would not say where the planned attack was to have taken place or even whether India was the target.

Asked how India had learned of Ansari's whereabouts, the official said: "We had inputs and we acted on them." He would not elaborate, but some Indian media, quoting sources, said the United States, which has sought to deepen its counter-terrorism relationship with India, had provided the information.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/abu-jind ... 56987.html

But strikingly, in February 2009, Pakistan’s Interior Minister Rehman Malik claimed that the Pakistani police had arrested seven persons for involvement in the conspiracy to carry out the 26/11 terror acts. One of those arrested was an operative named Abu Hamza. Even given the fact that the LeT frequently uses the same handle for different operatives, Indian investigators had reason to believe that it was their man.

India’s request to Pakistan for Ansari’s extradition for trial was never acknowledged. And the case in Pakistan went nowhere, largely because the Pakistani ISI and the military didn’t want their complicity in the 26/11 attacks exposed. But surprisingly, earlier this year, Ansari surfaced in Saudi Arabia, travelling on a Pakistani passport under another assumed name: Riasat Ali.

Indian investigators were evidently tracking his every move, and were working patiently behind the scenes. Last month, barely days ahead of the home secretary-level talks between India and Pakistan, Indian investigators removed Ansari’s name from the list of suspects they had given Pakistan.

It was the surest sign that Ansari had shifted base, and was no longer in Pakistan. Whether he flew the coop isn’t immediately clear: given the fact that Ansari was working in tandem with Pakistani intelligence and military services, the alternative proposition — that the Pakistani government had let him go — is harder to envisage.

In any case, Indian investigators and intelligence officials began patiently to work on Saudi officials with a request for Ansari’s extradition to face trial on terror charges. Given Saudi Arabia’s role in spreading intolerant Wahhabi hatred, which has played no small role in indoctrinating jihadi philosophy into hotheads in the Indian subcontinent, it appeared initially that the efforts to secure Saudi cooperation were doomed to fail.

But other pieces in the geostrategic puzzle were simultaneously falling into place.

Indicatively, the US administration has in recent months been keen to wean India off its need for oil from Iran (and abide by the sanctions regime against Iran) and to source it from Saudi Arabia. India has been dragging its feet on that. As part of its effort, the US has been nudging Saudi Arabia to extend cooperation to India in the area of counter-terrorism to “sweeten the deal”.

Just last week, US Defence Secretary and former CIA chief Leon Panetta was in Saudi Arabia following the death of the Crown Prince, who had as Interior Minister led the kingdom’s fight against terrorism.

It’s possible that Panetta’s visit catalysed and greased the tracks for Saudi Arabia’s decision to “deliver” Ansari to India. (Looking back, it’s entirely possible that Pakistan may have “released” Ansari and sent him on to Saudi Arabia under pressure from the US. If that’s true, it’s perhaps a sign that Pakistan is wilting under pressure — after all, Ansari can now reveal disquieting details of Pakistani ISI-military involvement in the 26/11 terror attacks.)

In other words, the diligent and painstaking work of Indian intelligence and security officials in working with US and Saudi officials has yielded their biggest catch of a terrorist handler associated with the 26/11 attacks.

Our Dhimmi media already started excused for this TERRORIST SCUM.

Abu Jundal: a product of Marathwada’s development deficit
http://www.firstpost.com/india/abu-jund ... 57731.html

During the 2006 visit, people from Marathwada told this journalist that the emergence of terrorists from Marathwada could be easily linked to the economic depression in the region juxtaposed with the heady indoctrination from fundamentalist organisations like Simi and LeT.

Pointing out to the economic backwardness of Beed and the high unemployment, especially among Muslim youth in the region, community leaders and scholars like economist HM Desarda had spoken of the vulnerability of Muslim youth to the lure of religious fanaticism and easy money.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Jun 2012 01:35

But surprisingly, earlier this year, Ansari surfaced in Saudi Arabia, travelling on a Pakistani passport under another assumed name: Riasat Ali

That name in Sunni KSA is a dead giveaway of being a fake name.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Jun 2012 01:38

In other words this is India's OBl moment!

Locating a target in far away KSA, shadowing for atleast two years, matching DNA.

Only thing is India doesn't kill its terrorists.

Only feeds them biryani in govt lodges.

And our folks praise KSA cooperation instead of wondering why KSA shelters criminal terrorists for atleast two years!

sum · Post by **sum** » 27 Jun 2012 08:20

Pointing out to the economic backwardness of Beed and the high unemployment, especially among Muslim youth in the region, community leaders and scholars like economist HM Desarda had spoken of the vulnerability of Muslim youth to the lure of religious fanaticism and easy money.

So, when Shiv Sena winning muncipal elections in 86 ( as per P.Swami) and Babri demolition ( as per IE) and Gujarat riots ( as per Vicky "secular" Nanjappa) and loss of Mughal prestige leading to feeling of disenchantment ( as per Mah ATS) are not enough reasons, we have one more: economic backwardness of Marathwada region ( which somehow seems to affect only IMs and not the Hindus of the region)

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 27 Jun 2012 10:18

But even more interestingly the 1989 Bhagalpur riots are never mentioned as a cause for the radicalization of abduls in that part of Bihar ..

sum · Post by **sum** » 27 Jun 2012 10:57

^^That was secular riot onlee.....Cannot affect the minorities!

Rediff comment:

Macho Banjo
If not for 2002 Gujarat riots
by Macho Banjo (View MyPage) on Jun 27, 2012 11:07 AM

1. Indian GDP would not have tanked
2. Prices would have been in control
3. Rupee/dollar ratio would have been below 40
4. Farmers would not have committed suicide
5. Congress would have swept the elections in Bihar and UP
6. Global Warming would never have occured
7. Sachin would never have joined politics
8. Mahesh Bhupati and Leander Paes would have played doubles in Olympics
9. Chidambaram, A Raja and Kalmadi would not have been corrupt

And last but not least

10. World would not have come to an end in 2012!!

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 27 Jun 2012 12:11

Sum ji, your heart will ache when you find out how this case was found in the first place. The operation was kept completely quiet and no one knew anything about it
After his arrest in IGI, a few days later they produced him in a court...

The magistrate refused to take the case down! His name is Ujwal something... So they hauled him back to the police station and after much fuss the magistrate decided to accept.

Hindi newspaper journo picked up the story that the magistrate had refused to register the case and out came the story

alexis · Post by **alexis** » 27 Jun 2012 16:53

krishnan wrote:
"Many people stay at my government accommodation and it is not possible for me to be aware of the credentials of everyone of them," said Khan while reacting to the allegation.
So can i also stay there ????

So anyone can just simply walk into it without her known about it...

Actually, you can. you just need to bribe the supervisor/wardens at the hostel. There was article in ToI/Mumbai Mirror earlier where they had done a report on how people are allowed to stay without any verification or knowledge of MLAs.

I am not saying Khan is innocent; however there is a chance the quoted remark is true.

This may be an instance where corruption is hurting the country in more ways than one.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Jun 2012 21:17

Its still a case of misuse of govt provided accomodations. THe MLA cant plead ignorance and has to be responsible to see who stays in their quarters.
In AP MLA qtrs all sort of regional goondas would camp out in their MLA's digs. It was understood as safe haven for the police cant raid it without permission, seeking which gives time to abscond.

So MLA quarters are like sanctuary/safe haven and most often shady characters patronised by the MLA get shelter there.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Jun 2012 23:19

Something is wrong in Indian media:

Sushupti wrote:IBN7 retouched Abu Hamza original picture by putting him in saffron.

I wonder how long before someone will claim the guy is one of Prohit's boys?

BRaman?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 27 Jun 2012 23:21

A detailed report on Concerned Citizen's Inquiry Report in to Malegaon Riots. Sorry if posted earlier.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 28 Jun 2012 08:33

From Chindu.
No word yet on another terrorist

Though Saudi Arabia has handed over Zabiuddin Ansari, a key conspirator of the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, India still awaits information on another terror accused, Fasih Mohammed, who is allegedly missing from his home in the Gulf nation since last month.

Government sources said a letter was formally written to the Saudi Arabian government to ascertain the whereabouts of Fasih Mohammed. An Interpol Red Corner notice had been issued against the 28-year-old engineer from Bihar.

The Red Corner notice was issued following the CBI’s charges against him in terror-related cases, including Bangalore’s Chinnaswamy Stadium blast case of April 2010. However, the police and law enforcement agencies are yet to find a link between Fasih and Zabiuddin Ansari.

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Jun 2012 09:29

vishvak wrote:A detailed report on Concerned Citizen's Inquiry Report in to Malegaon Riots. Sorry if posted earlier.

Was wondering as to why there seemed to be a massive bias against anything the police have claimed in a govt report ( was thinking this is one) and there seems to be more coverage given to muslim version of events and lots of coverage to BJP/Shiv-sena and how they are the root cause till i chanced upon the authors of this "fact finding" mission:

The Team

1. Shama Dalwai, Professor of Economics, Mithibhai College

2. Jyoti Punwani, Freelance journalist

3. Irfan Engineer, Advocate

4. Sandhya Mhatre, Researcher

5. Shakeel Ahmed, Social Activist

6. Sameena Dalwai, Advocate

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 28 Jun 2012 11:06

The Team

1. Shama Dalwai, Professor of Economics, Mithibhai College

2. Jyoti Punwani, Freelance journalist

3. Irfan Engineer, Advocate

4. Sandhya Mhatre, Researcher

5. Shakeel Ahmed, Social Activist

6. Sameena Dalwai, Advocate

The usual cuckoo-land combination of Muslims batting for their community and deranged communists with Hindu names facilitating them by being useful idiots.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 28 Jun 2012 11:21

Cautious India eyes 3 more in Saudi custody

AbhiJ · Post by **AbhiJ** » 28 Jun 2012 16:53

1. Shama Dalwai, Professor of Economics, Mithibhai College

Hard to believe she happens to be from my college. Let me find out more about her.

sum · Post by **sum** » 29 Jun 2012 14:54

X-post:

sum wrote:Finally, someone says it as it is:

Why terrorism cannot be linked to the Gujarat riots

When we seek a justification for dastardly terrorist acts where none exists, we weaken our resolve and embolden the terrorists, imbuing them with a false sense of righteousness. This is the biggest fallacy of our anti-terror drive, says Vivek Gumaste.

Human beings are logical animals. Rationality has a tempering effect on the human mind; it dents emotional outrage, evokes justification and mitigates the severity of an infraction.

However, attempts to rationalise the recently arrested Abu Jundal's diabolical role in the Mumbai massacre and his descent into terrorism by invoking the Gujarat riots as the raison d'etre is an exercise in warped logic; one that defies human comprehension; more of an intentional obfuscation with a vested agenda that deceptively strives to blur the debate and confer some validity to an atrocity where none exists.

Time and again, a section of the media has emphasised vendetta as the etiology of Islamic terror. However, a meticulous analysis of this charge finds it to be a dubious one.

It is a premise that does not conform to the canons of morality or the logic of sequence.

For the sake of debate, let us apply the logic of sequence to ascertain the merits of these polemics. The present reign of terror can be traced back to March 12, 1993, when a series of bomb blasts ripped through India's commercial capital, Mumbai, targeting the stock exchange, prominent hotels and the Air-India building.

Around 300 innocent people lost their lives in this deadly act. Columnists were quick to propound a cause and effect between these blasts and the Babri masjid demolition that took place on December 6, 1992.

Over the next few years this premise became a chanting mantra to justify one act of terror after another.

But is this equation so simple and direct? Hardly so, as Praveen Swami indicates (external link), 'Towards the end of 1991, SIMI began its turn towards terror -- an event precipitated by the Ram Janambhoomi movement, but one for which the ideological foundations had long been laid.'

"SIMI was formed in April 1977, as an effort to revitalise the SIO (Student's Islamic Organisation -- a wing of the Jamaat-e-Islami). Building on the SIO networks in Uttar Pradesh, SIMI reached out to Jamaat-linked Muslim student groups in Andhra Pradesh, Bengal, Bihar and Kerala. SIMI sought to re-establish the caliphate, without which it felt the practice of Islam would remain incomplete. Muslims who were comfortable living in secular societies, its pamphlets warned, were headed to hell.'

So it appears that the seeds of Islamic terror were sown far back in 1977, long before the demolition of the Babri Masjid or any other instigating factor came into play.

So Swami himself says the thing once and then again chants Gujarat and Shiv Sena winning municipal elections to justify Abu Jundal?

Our armchair ideologues sidestep the heart-rending atrocity of the gory massacre of 59 unarmed Hindu men, women and children by a Muslim mob in Godhra that provoked the Gujarat riots and expediently focus exclusively on the subsequent event to draw another faulty link between the advent of terrorism and this communal riot.

The Kandahar hijack and the audacious attack on Parliament both preceded Gujarat 2002 and occurred almost a decade after the Babri Masjid demolition. Both events again belie the cause and effect theory.

More recently, terror attacks have been deemed to be a fallout of a supposedly unjust judicial system that is seen to favour Hindus.

Saba Naqvi, writing in Outlook India emphasises (external link) this point: 'The irony, as usual, is that it is only a small number of the educated Muslim that has become radicalised. The e-mail sent by the Indian Mujahideen is worth deconstructing.

'Written in fluent English with several references to the Quran, it does vent ire against Hindus, "the infidels", and mocks at Narendra Modi"s "asmita" (pride). Yet, eventually it is a record of perceived injustice by the courts, lawyers, commissions of inquiry and state governments against Muslims. The group says it is issuing an "ultimatum to all the state governments" but specifically mentions Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Maharashtra.'

The perception of injustice within an insular, ghettoised community is hard to allay even with the aid of objective evidence when a devious coterie has its own nefarious agenda in mind, and that seems to be the case here.

Islamic terror was an event waiting to happen, conceptualised far earlier than what are claimed to be sentinel events. These so-called trigger events only served to accelerate the pace of this monstrosity and force it out into the open.

When we seek a justification for these dastardly acts where none exists, we weaken our resolve and embolden the terrorists, imbuing them with a false sense of righteousness. This is the biggest fallacy of our anti-terror drive: a lack of clear thinking that befuddles our mind, cripples our actions and makes us cut an apathetic picture in the face of evil terror.

This has to change
Read it all!

Kanishka · Post by **Kanishka** » 29 Jun 2012 15:20

sum wrote:Finally, someone says it as it is:
Why terrorism cannot be linked to the Gujarat riots

You have to have the mind of a murderer, first and foremost, to be a terrorist. Everything else is just bull-shit.

AbhiJ · Post by **AbhiJ** » 29 Jun 2012 17:28

Jamaat has to be eliminated from the South Asian Soil.

To much BS done since 1941.

How do they spread their Mohammedian Monotheism?

In this programme as many as 50 Hindus were given Hindi translation of the Holy Quran. After distributing the copies of the Quran among Hindus, Ahmed Ali Akhtar, former Ameer JIH , Bihar and chief guest of the program, said Quran is not only for Muslims, but it is the guidance for entire human being. Anyone can read it and learn from it. He also said that Jamaat has been publishing Hindi translation of the Quran just to reach to the Non-Muslim brothers and make them aware of the message of Islam. .

Qur'an for all Quran is not only for Muslims

And Feed the Anti Dharmic usual Marxist BS.

The terrorising episode of Mumbai is not a new story a link in the chain of terrorists activities. When Hafiz Sayeed established Lashkar-e-Taiba and announced that until India's peaceful and intact we can't expect peace and prosperity. His aim weas to break India into pieces and force it to cry for help. According to him this is a way shown to us by India.

This is the same path taken by Babu Bajarangi in Ahmadabad. He was on the forefront of the Gujarat genocide and sweared that he would not live even a single MIuslim shop unburnt. M.S Golwalkar while redefining the "Indian nationhood" has said that since Muslims have arrived on this soil Hindus have been fighting them. The Hindu fanatics have not only targeted Muslims but also Dalits and Christians. This mentality brought about partition and later the demolition of Babri Mosque. The atrocities committed against the north easten people of India have also been result of the same mentality. USA's attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan also reflect the same kind of mentality displayed.

Terrorism is an ideology which actually kills innocent people. It aims at people it may base its rationalization on religion, race, and nation. These people target the innocent lot of the society. Nazi Germany targeted Jews to keep the purity of race intact. The same tactics are being used by the Hindu nationalists today to wipeout Muslims from Indian soil. The coverage given to the Mumbai attacks as the rich and wealthy suffered while the television news channels don't give much coverage when the poor people are the target of terrorism. Example the massacre of Neli wasn't covered as much{O Bitch! My Moslem Brother} neither the looting in the Bhagalpur. This is also a face of terrorism which neglects have-nots and at the same time minorities and backward communities are blamed for terrorism.

I am a Muslim But not a Terrorist

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 29 Jun 2012 21:01

So it appears that the seeds of Islamic terror were sown far back in 1977, long before the demolition of the Babri Masjid or any other instigating factor came into play.

If SIMI was started in 1977, was it a reaction to human rights abuses against Muslims during the Sanjay-Indira Emergency?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 30 Jun 2012 20:01

Fasih Mohammed has been detained: KSA to India

Saudi Arabia has told the Indian authorities about the detention of Fasih Mohammed, a suspected terrorist apprehended by authorities there, who may be deported soon.

An engineer by profession, 28-year-old Fasih is alleged to have been involved in the Chinnaswamy Stadium blast in Bangalore and the shooting incident near Jama Masjid (Delhi) in 2010 and is wanted by both Delhi and Karnataka Police.

Indian authorities are interacting with Saudi authorities on the formalities to bring him back, they said.

nakul · Post by **nakul** » 30 Jun 2012 20:06

^^^
I think all this India - US - Saudi co-operation is a hogwash to extract benefits from India. The arrest of Abu Jundal will not stop terrorists from attacking. They will be replaced by other Abduls. There is no real shortage of wannabe terrorists. As long as the support structure exists, new terrorists will replace the arrested ones.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 30 Jun 2012 20:36

The Times of India, quoting unnamed sources on the Jundal interrogation by the Delhi Police, says that Saeed was being protected by the ISI 24×7. Another report by the newspaper talked about how Pakistan used a 2005 cricket match – the so-called cricket diplomacy of Manmohan Singh — in Mohali to send in operatives to begin scouring sites in Delhi and Mumbai for terror attacks. Again, this information is sourced to the Jundal interrogation.

http://www.firstpost.com/india/is-abu-j ... 62500.html

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 01 Jul 2012 07:28

From Chindu, slightly dated....

On Fasih Mahmood

This refers to the story, “Interpol warrant for Bangalore stadium attack suspect soon: police” (The Hindu, May 29, 2012). It pertains to my husband, Mr. Fasih Mahmood, who has been missing since May 13, 2012. The story quotes my family as saying that: “he [Fasih Mahmood] knew Karachi-based jihadist, Riyaz Ismail Shahbandari, one of the Indian Mujahideen's three top commanders, as a student …”
This is absolutely false and hurtful as none of my family members has made any statement to this effect — either on record or off record. I sincerely hope that you will publish a corrigendum denying that such a statement was made.

Nikhat Parween,

New Delhi

Our correspondent replies:

Family sources said Mr. Mahmood studied at Bhatkal, where he had once met Riyaz at a social function. The Hindu quoted the family denying “he had any knowledge of, or association with terrorist activities.”

The story also clearly stated that there is no evidence Mr. Mahmood was involved in any form of criminal activity.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 02 Jul 2012 19:01

K Vijaya Kumar's Interview on TimesNow is an example of how it should be handled. He clearly said nobody has business to fire at Security forces and I have given order to shoot if fired upon. If someone wants to surrender allow them to surrender.
His interview would give moral boost to CRPF. INC must be cringing at this blasting interview since local Congoons were attributing malafide on State Govt and its forces. Now CRPF DG sayd there was no malafide.
Congrates.
Links would be available later.

member_20036 · Post by **member_20036** » 03 Jul 2012 07:41

Pakistan family overstays visa, held

Hooghly: Five members of a family, believed to be Pakistani nationals, were rounded up by CID officers on Monday. They have been charged with conspiracy under the Foreigners Act.
The family came on a tourist visa that had validity till May 2012. They had come to visit relative Osman Gani , who lives on RK Road in Hooghly's Serampore. During their stay, one of the members married Gani's relative and the family did notreturn to their country.
Using the certificate, they managed to obtain other documents like a PAN card and even opened bank accounts like Indian nationals. Everything in place, they decided to stay back permanently in India. Apart from conspiracy, CID officers have arrested them arrested all five for staying in India even after their visa had expired and forging documents.
They were also charged with conspiracy. The officers said they willinterrogate all the five family members to confirm whether they hold any links with spies or had any plans of sabotage plan in India.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 620176.cms

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 03 Jul 2012 18:14

Abu Jundal arrest: The Saudi message ---- KC Singh

Today, Saudi Arabia is buffeted by domestic and external factors. Arab Spring, leading to deposition of authoritarian regimes, some aligned to Saudis, rattled them enough to defray in 2011 $130 billion to their citizens. Despite their rising income, exploding population has arrested their per capita GDP at $20,000. To sustain their budget, oil price must remain above $80 per barrel. Their stand-off with Iran, symbolised by their support to the ruling family of Bahrain, being opposed by Bahrain's Shia majority, in addition to Iranian obduracy over their nuclear programme are also making them look beyond the US for allies. After their brutal fight against Al Qaeda in the kingdom in 2003-2006, their stock-market melted in 2006, remaining even today at 50 per cent below its peak. King Abdullah, ruling since 2005, is a pragmatist. His gradualist reform desire has been stymied by the remnants of the powerful clique of his seven half-brothers born to a Sudeiri mother, a favourite wife of his father. His predecessor King Fahd and two Crown Princes Sultan and Nayef, both dead in the last eight months, were Sudeiris. So too is the new Crown Prince Salman, though he is less of a status quoist than Nayef, who held the crucial position of interior minister till his death on June 16.