India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Niranjan · Post by **Niranjan** » 25 Nov 2014 06:25

Potential:

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 27 Nov 2014 08:29

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has decided to set up its major product development and assembling unit near here.

Collector Ch. Vijayamohan said on Wednesday that the announcement was a mere formality which would be made after the DRDO board meeting here. The unit would require an investment of Rs. 10,000 crore and an area of 2,500 acres. The Collector said the unit would offer nearly 4,000 jobs to local people. Also, the decision on the Nuclear Fuel Complex (NFC) was in the final stages for which 1,000 acres would be required.

Apart from the two public sector units, the government earmarked 25,000 acres near Orvakal for industrial use through the A.P. Industrial Infrastructure Corporation. He said nearly 15 industrial giants were showing interest in setting up plants near Orvakal maize processing unit and a cement plant by Gujarat Ambuja Exports.

NTPC was also setting up a joint sector power unit at Pinnapuram near Panyam through National Vidyut Vyapar Nigham (NVVN). Mr. Vijayamohan said the IIIT would start functioning next academic with central assistance.

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 29 Nov 2014 23:05

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/avi ... ign=buffer

Avinash Chander to continue as DRDO chief
Last Updated: Friday, November 28, 2014 - 19:19
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New Delhi: India's premier defence and research organisation DRDO's chief Dr Avinash Chander will retire on November 30 but will continue to occupy the position on a contractual basis till May 2016.

"The President is pleased to retire Dr Avinash Chander, Secretary, Department of Defence Research & Development (DOB: 06.11.1950), in the Ministry of Defence from Government Service with effect from 30.11.2014 (AN) on attaining the age of superannuation," an official statement here today said.

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It said, "the appointment of Chander beyond his date of retirement, November 30, for 18 months would be on contract basis, with the same terms and conditions as he would be entitled to Secretary (DRD) before the date of retirement."

His contractual term will end on May 31, 2016.

Asked if this was the first time a DRDO chief will go on contract, sources said there had been instances when chiefs have been given "extraordinary" extensions.

The DRDO chief also holds the post of Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister and the Secretary of Department of Defence Research and Development.

Chander joined DRDO in 1972 after completing graduation in Electrical Engineering from Indian Institute of Technology (IIT), Delhi.

He obtained MS in Spatial Information Technology from Jawharlal Nehru Technological University (JNTU), Hyderabad.

Chander is the chief architect of Agni series of ballistic missile systems.

Development of Agni range of missiles under a highly- restrictive international control regimes was possible only out of his technology forecast, perspective planning and relentless efforts, DRDO officials said.

IANS

First Published: Friday, November 28, 2014 - 19:19

srai · Post by **srai** » 30 Nov 2014 03:14

prasannasimha wrote:http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/avi ... ign=buffer

Avinash Chander to continue as DRDO chief
Last Updated: Friday, November 28, 2014 - 19:19
Comment

New Delhi: India's premier defence and research organisation DRDO's chief Dr Avinash Chander will retire on November 30 but will continue to occupy the position on a contractual basis till May 2016.

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It said, "the appointment of Chander beyond his date of retirement, November 30, for 18 months would be on contract basis, with the same terms and conditions as he would be entitled to Secretary (DRD) before the date of retirement."

His contractual term will end on May 31, 2016.

Asked if this was the first time a DRDO chief will go on contract, sources said there had been instances when chiefs have been given "extraordinary" extensions.

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IMO, this is a positive move. It allows someone new to move up the ladder while having the support of previous chief. Good for smooth transition of leadership and projects.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Nov 2014 04:06

Looks like they want him to finish somethings started under hsi watch.

A same time it hinders his successor due to chain of seniority.

srai · Post by **srai** » 30 Nov 2014 04:15

^^^

There may be some seniority issues initially but once you become a "contractor" your authority within the organisation diminishes considerably. A contractor provides expertise that may be lacking in an organisation and typically reports directly to a specific person--in this case, the new chief.

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 30 Nov 2014 07:25

My understanding is that this situation is very similar to an extension. IMO, no new DRDO chief will be appointed - Chander will continue serving as the DRDO Chief.

srai wrote: IMO, this is a positive move. It allows someone new to move up the ladder while having the support of previous chief. Good for smooth transition of leadership and projects.

If my understanding above is true, then this move will not allow new folks to move up the ladder since there is no vacant seat at the top. I've never believed in this 'last-minute extension' philosophy. Unless there is a most extenuating circumstance, why should a extension beyond a reasonably long tenure be given? It amounts to not placing trust in the next batch of leaders. Imagine if the Foreign Secy of '90 IFS batch is given an extension of 2 years, the next layer of leadership ('89 and '88 batches) will have little incentive to perform because they know their current positions is the highest they could've reached.

Even justification of an important project should not be good enough for an extension. Isn't it any Chief's responsibility to build the next set of leaders? If we keep doing these extensions, every Chief will do exactly the opposite - make himself indispensable by not building others!

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 30 Nov 2014 14:48

The most stupid thing in the Indian system is to retire these people in their 60s, even when they are quite active, physically capable and mentally sharp and then have them retire, wasting their decades of hard won experience in a niche field. In contrast, in the FUSSR and even Russia, distinguished scientists remain with the lab and their facilities well into their 80s and are walking storehouses of tribal knowledge. Those that they mentored are fairly senior but remain hands on. http://www.niip.ru/eng/index.php?option ... 2&Itemid=4

In India, asinine rules applied equally between generalists and specialists mean we put specialists out to turf even when we are running short of specialist manpower.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 30 Nov 2014 15:23

If not GOI these folks can still be absorbed in big Def Pvt Sec like Tatas or L&T and continue working as DS in this role as Pvt sector participation increases..... Probably giving them Mentoring Role in GOI would be a better option

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 30 Nov 2014 15:57

Very few private companies have the sort of focus or interest in dedicated RAndD these people specialize in. Many ended up going to MNCS offshore captive centres but with little of their skills leveraged. Good change is that some of these guys now start their own SMEs and supply DRDO, pvt sector and ISRO. But it's still not sufficient. Forty years of hands on experience on radars and missiles etc and they are allowed to retire without leveraging their experience. Unfortunately, the IAS led generalist lobby in the GOI has skewed all policies to their requirements.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 01 Dec 2014 21:10

India 'seriously looking' to co-produce weapon systems with US

India has shortlisted five of the 17 hi-tech items of military hardware offered by the US for co-production and co-development under a one-of-its kind American offer to boost bilateral defence cooperation.

These items are believed to be - naval guns, mine scattering anti-tank vehicles, unmanned aerial surveillance system, Javelin missiles, and aircraft landing system for carriers {????? - EMALS?}, informed defence sources familiar with the development between the two countries, told PTI.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 01 Dec 2014 23:01

Karan M wrote:Very few private companies have the sort of focus or interest in dedicated RAndD these people specialize in. Many ended up going to MNCS offshore captive centres but with little of their skills leveraged. Good change is that some of these guys now start their own SMEs and supply DRDO, pvt sector and ISRO. But it's still not sufficient. Forty years of hands on experience on radars and missiles etc and they are allowed to retire without leveraging their experience. Unfortunately, the IAS led generalist lobby in the GOI has skewed all policies to their requirements.

Arrah Araah touba touba !!! Bhery phocussed and dedicated thij iz

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 01 Dec 2014 23:54

Naughty dhimaag.. I meant research and dev.

negi · Post by **negi** » 02 Dec 2014 08:14

Karan M wrote:The most stupid thing in the Indian system is to retire these people in their 60s, even when they are quite active, physically capable and mentally sharp and then have them retire, wasting their decades of hard won experience in a niche field. In contrast, in the FUSSR and even Russia, distinguished scientists remain with the lab and their facilities well into their 80s and are walking storehouses of tribal knowledge. Those that they mentored are fairly senior but remain hands on. http://www.niip.ru/eng/index.php?option ... 2&Itemid=4

In India, asinine rules applied equally between generalists and specialists mean we put specialists out to turf even when we are running short of specialist manpower.

I have not seen things up close in DRDO but generally in India not many remain hands on once they climb up the organizational pyramid. There are simply so many administrative chores and file pushing activities to do with every promotion that one has little time for research imho it is in fact a good thing for people to be retired early from all types of government service and be employed on contractual basis because then only good and relevant people will be kept on contracts, in a full time role devoid of any accountability mediocracy and complacency are bound to creep in. Having people on contract also ensures that they are not loaded with housekeeping work which unfortunately constitutes major chunk of work for all top government servants.

nash · Post by **nash** » 05 Dec 2014 07:04

Read more at: http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/cnbc-t ... ef_article

Pipav Defence is said to have applied for the manufacture of tanks, warships, frigates, submarines missiles while Punj Lloyd applied for manufacturing of aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) and aero engines.

Tata Motor’s proposal includes the production of main battle tank and armoured vehicles

Is there any possibility that Tata Motor start manufacturing Arjun MBT.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 05 Dec 2014 07:50

negi wrote:
Karan M wrote:The most stupid thing in the Indian system is to retire these people in their 60s, even when they are quite active, physically capable and mentally sharp and then have them retire, wasting their decades of hard won experience in a niche field. In contrast, in the FUSSR and even Russia, distinguished scientists remain with the lab and their facilities well into their 80s and are walking storehouses of tribal knowledge. Those that they mentored are fairly senior but remain hands on. http://www.niip.ru/eng/index.php?option ... 2&Itemid=4

In India, asinine rules applied equally between generalists and specialists mean we put specialists out to turf even when we are running short of specialist manpower.
I have not seen things up close in DRDO but generally in India not many remain hands on once they climb up the organizational pyramid. There are simply so many administrative chores and file pushing activities to do with every promotion that one has little time for research imho it is in fact a good thing for people to be retired early from all types of government service and be employed on contractual basis because then only good and relevant people will be kept on contracts, in a full time role devoid of any accountability mediocracy and complacency are bound to creep in. Having people on contract also ensures that they are not loaded with housekeeping work which unfortunately constitutes major chunk of work for all top government servants.

Where experience counts is knowing what to do in terms of the risk management, and also decide on what to stress on. What are the things that need to get done and what needs to be prioritized and what needs to be dropped. This is hard won experience. It doesnt mean one needs to get hands on and develop the propellant or guidance etc themselves. Contractual work means that many deserving folks will be lost and the politically connected have an edge over the silent workers.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 06 Dec 2014 16:36

Air Chief Calls Koraput to be Nurtured as Aero Engine Capital of India

During the last 50 years, the Division has manufactured 1574 engines and overhauled 7417 engines.

The Division presently has state of the art facilities for manufacturing 4th generation aero engines, which include, Robotized TIG Welding (Manned Chamber Welding), Electron Beam Welding, Detonation Coating, Hot Isostatic Pressing (HIP), Isothermal Forming, Cold Rolling of Blades, Ion Nitriding, Alphatization and a battery of CNC machining centers. The Division has also mastered critical technologies for manufacturing Single Crystal Blades and Directionally Solidified Blade castings.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 06 Dec 2014 16:47

Chacko,

I would be a *lot* more interested in the seminar proceedings.

"Emerging trends in aero-engine architecture and self-reliance", trends, where - in India or globally?

It should let us know what the current thinking is of the various participants. Would you be able to provide any info on that by any chance?

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 06 Dec 2014 18:23

No mate, I was not there. It is a press release. But, what i know, they are discussing creation of engines for 4th and fifth generation fighter aircraft's. This is the second seminar this year for engines.

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 10 Dec 2014 07:07

Not sure if posted before
Batting for defence

Notes SK Mehta, head, defence systems division of TASL: “After tendering, we won a major order for the design and manufacture of combat management systems for the medium-range surface-to-air missile programme (MRSAM) from the Defence Research and Development Organisation, beating our rival, a public sector undertaking.”

TASL is also involved in the design and manufacture of mission control centres for the missile defence programme, and is also working on missile systems for the long-range surface-to-air missile programme.

According to Mr Mehta, for the MRSAM contract, it won for the crucial command and control system, which is the decision-making system. “The command and control system senses the threat, the radar tracks the aircraft or the missile, measures the distance, decides whether it is a ‘friend’ or ‘foe’, and then sends a command to the launcher,” he explains. When TASL realised that there were many components that could be produced internally instead of importing them, it set up an R&D centre in Delhi with a group of engineers, and is working on indigenising different parts, both for cost and strategic reasons.

In another highly confidential weapons integration project, which cannot be identified, TASL has been able to negotiate the source code from the international partner. “With this source code, we have already begun to develop products for Indian customers,” explains Mr Singh. “We trained our engineers at our partner’s overseas facility and are now jump-starting innovation.”

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 13 Dec 2014 19:39

Look at the difference in the budget asked by the DRDO in the last few years and what was sanctioned by the UPA government. Near criminal !! No wonder our timelines are so stretched because they are forced to do more with less prototypes, which means teams have to wait in turns instead of working in parallel.
http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease. ... lid=113198

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 15 Dec 2014 20:41

DRDO Dec 2014 Newsletter

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 16 Dec 2014 09:51

'Unprofessional' HAL, DRDO slammed for lost decades

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The committee has said the DRDO's cost and time frame projected for indigenous projects are "unrealistic, to the extent of being unprofessional in a few cases". The comments have been made on the basis of the review of indigenous projects such as the LCA, Kaveri, LRSAM/MRSAM (long range surface to air missile/medium range surface to air missile) projects in partnership with Israeli firms etc.

HAL, country's dominant aeronautical manufacturer, aspires to make India an important aircraft manufacturer. Design and development of a basic trainer (HT-2) progressed impressively immediately after independence, followed by HF-24. "The D&D effort of HF 24 was however not taken forward due to various sins of commission and omission on the part of all stakeholders and especially for want of a suitable engine," said the report. Indian aerospace industry thus lost more than two decades, and started again from the drawing board stage with the LCA (light combat aircraft) programme.
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deejay · Post by **deejay** » 16 Dec 2014 11:42

Interesting to note in the above report:

The committee, set up by the Integrated Defence Staff, submitted the report a few weeks before the UPA government left office in May. Headed by Air Marshal M Matheswaran, then deputy chief of integrated defence staff, the seven-member panel visited various facilities around the country and also audited all major aeronautical projects under way, such as development of light combat aircraft (LCA), Kaveri engine and licence production of Sukhoi-30 by HAL.

An opinion often often voiced on BRF also seems to be part of the report:

The study has recommended setting up of a National Aeronautics Commission to be the facilitator for coordination between civil and military aviation sectors and draw up a long-term plan.

It has also said that universities, private companies and military labs need to lean on each other for research.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 16 Dec 2014 19:10

the shouting always happens when things go out of control orthogonal to any logical direction we would like to take. the problem is lack of periodic short term reviews, v&v approaches and correct as early as possible... rather this regime change end of game change attitude. all these commission reports are another gimmick of governance model that leaves office. i hope the next gov consider a more periodic review. i would say, 6 months time to take stock of things and do a derivation from the graph of progress.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 17 Dec 2014 00:34

HAL had made an excellent start with Krishak, Pushpak, HT-2, HJT-16. Even GTRE was making great strides in jet engine design in 50s-60s. The problems started after we got license building of Russian weapons like MiGs in the 70s-80s. The DPSUs were overnight converted into screwdriver-shop cash cows that were milked by politicians. All unnecessary activity like R&D and domestic design capability, were dispensed with or put on the back burner. This was more a failure of our political leadership than the babus.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 17 Dec 2014 08:28

Indian defence minister says MoD will stop blacklisting companies, lift ban on agents

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 18 Dec 2014 04:25

Farheen LASER wall, developed by BSF(?) to guard against infiltration

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 18 Dec 2014 07:48

why are these info even revealed ??

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 20 Dec 2014 07:34

Another CAG scrutiny on the IAF crashes and Naval Torpedoes:

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/pilot ... 1419042721

Posting in full

Accidents involving fighter aircraft of the Indian Air Force in 2012-13 were caused due to "technical defects" and "human error", according to a report by the Comptroller and Auditor General. The number of such mishaps were considerably higher than in the past, says the government auditor.

The CAG report says there were as many as 33 accidents in which 27 pilots lost their lives in the period that was audited.

These accidents happened, the report says, because the Air Force could no longer train its pilots properly - it didn't have the full complement of basic trainer's aircraft, intermediate and advanced jet trainers and even simulators.

The report also says that the Bangalore-based Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) - a defense public sector unit - has been trying to develop a trainer aircraft for the Air Force for the last 14 years. Its inability to produce an aircraft has "adversely affected the stage-II training of pilots" - when they graduate to fly in supersonic speed, the auditor has observed.

The report has also found that the Air Force paid HAL over Rs. 3,000 crore for developing the trainer aircraft but around Rs. 6 crore have been spent so far.

If the non-availability of aircraft and training aid adversely affected the fighting capability of the India Air Force, its inability to store "sophisticated air armament, missiles, bombs" was also an area of concern, according to the report. Whereas the armament and missiles need to be stored in controlled, "dust-free conditions" and expired ammunition in designated bays carefully to "prevent environmental hazards", "certain stores are being kept" in the open, the report says

The auditor also said the Air Force faces shortage of "firefighting equipment".

The report further finds that the air element of the Indian Navy suffered equally due to the shortage of a particular category of torpedoes used from helicopters. These torpedoes are considered as critical deterrents against submarines. The CAG report, in fact, indicates that the Navy didn't have the minimum number of torpedoes that are required in case hostilities break out.

Inquiries by the government auditor has also revealed that Bharat Dynamics Limited - another defence public sector unit - which was to supply the torpedoes to the Navy could only supply "13 per cent of the required numbers". The inquires also reveal that major changes were made to specifications such as speed for the shipborne and fixed-wing version of the torpedo which were accepted by the Navy. Shockingly, the CAG report has found that the entire exercise began in 2006 but all versions of the torpedoes that can be fired from all helicopters in the Navy stable is yet to be completed.

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 20 Dec 2014 14:02

Global IP Fillings.

http://www.wipo.int/pressroom/en/articl ... _0018.html

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 21 Dec 2014 02:58

Cross Posting from IAF thread : CAG slams HAL for jet trainer delay

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 23 Dec 2014 04:55

DRDO under Parliament scanner; dna accesses House committee documents rapping organisation for shoddy research

Monday, 22 December 2014 -

Jyotika Sood

Imports, non-development of tech also draw flak

New Delhi: India’s premier defence research organisation – Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) – is under Parliament scanner.

Shoddy research, inordinate delays, corruption and its fancy for reverse engineering have resulted in the Parliamentary standing committee on defence raising the red flag on DRDO budget for 2014-15.

According to documents accessed by dna, the committee has nailed DRDO on several occasions. It has asked DRDO to furnish details on how many new models, weapon systems and engines have been imported in the last 10 years in the name of study and modifications. “DRDO labs are more interested in importing systems, modifying them a little bit, re-labelling them and reselling them to forces,” the panel observed.

Of the 31-member committee, four members have defence background. “Where do you think DRDO stands in our military hardware preparedness vis-à-vis China today?” the committee said. It also asked DRDO to disclose those areas of technology where they are not competitive or behind the curve.

“There is a perception that DRDO is not really fulfilling its role; it is only doing normal non-commercial office work. DRDO should work out what is required by the services... futuristic and does not get outdated before it is introduced into services. People are expecting something extraordinary from DRDO, something out-of-the-box,” it said.

dna began its investigations in August this year when Prime Minister Narendra Modi criticised DRDO during an address in Kargil.

“If a project was conceived in 1992, it should not be the case in 2014 we are still saying it will take some more time,” he had said. India, he said, has the potential to be a world leader in defence sector, but was being held back by a chalta hai attitude.

In the last 10 years, the DRDO budget has increased from Rs 3,443.18 crore to Rs 10,868.89 crore (around three times). However, it has completed/closed only 13 projects costing Rs 134.08 crore in 2013 14, while it got 52 new projects, costing Rs 1,651.59 crore from January 1, 2013 to March 31, 2014.

“DRDO’s mandate is to develop products and technologies to modernise our armed forces. It has shown a list of products developed by them. Please also furnish a list of technologies developed,” the committee said.

DRDO’s annual report says that, as on March 31, 2014, it was handling 339 projects costing approximately Rs 45,554.73 crore. Out of these, 37 projects cost above Rs 100 crore, and, in total, account for Rs 38,613.89 crore. This is approximately 85% of active project costs.

DRDO scientists are among the best paid in India. They get incentives like two additional increments on promotion, up to six variable increments on promotions granted on fast track, professional update allowance, opportunity to acquire higher qualifications at reputed institutes and residential complexes.

The committee also asked DRDO about its research on a Gujarat-based Sadhu, Prahlad Jani, who has been living on air. He does not eat and drink. A research on him was carried out in 2003 and 2010 and the committee asked if the outcome can be used in warfare.

Talking to dna, a committee member said on condition of anonymity: “DRDO is doing shoddy research and some parliamentarians seem to be encouraging it by asking how outcomes could be used in warfare. Are you going to deprive Indian soldiers food and water in harsh conditions like extreme heat and cold? It’s disgusting.”

“This is not the only example. Recently, in Pune, they developed a hi-tech chariot to be donated to a temple. Is it what they are supposed to do?” he said.

“There are also a number of irregularities like an institute director buying a Honda CRV for personal use from the institute’s budget, although that car was not fit for that terrain.

“A building construction project worth crores was given to National Buildings Construction Corporation (NBCC) without proper tendering. There are also complaints of misbehaviour and harassment of officials and purchase of expensive tickets from Nagpur, home district of one DRDO institute director,” he said.

DRDO blames it on defence services, finance officers

DRDO has its own woes. They range from lack of testing facilities to infrastructure to shortage of funds to impractical demands of defence services. Another big reason is the rejection of DRDO technologies by defence services, terming them "inferior", and their 'preference' for imported technologies.

A top DRDO official in Delhi said, "Top defence people visit international exhibitions and defence machinery manufacturers where they see the latest technologies. They collect brochures and after coming back, they shortlist good technologies from various options available, amalgamate them and ask DRDO to develop a product or technology. They don't even bother to study the feasibility of their demands in context with the resources with us. That is one major reason for delay in aircraft and engines."

"What they see in these exhibitions is imported technology where countries like the US, Russia and France have in-house raw materials building and manufacturing facilities. In India, we have to import even small components. This is one reason for the delay and increase in project costs," he said.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 23 Dec 2014 08:18

This report is sad. It seems these 'defence' experts are a legacy from the 10 yr import regime we had.

Sarc on //What do they want GOI to do? Shut down DRDO and open a refined, super duper "New" DRDO or NDRDO ? // Sarc Off

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 23 Dec 2014 08:21

just reform it , get new blood in, pump in money , let it do R&D only

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 23 Dec 2014 08:33

Deejay that study err witchhunt was led by none other than Matheswaran. That entire reverse engineer stuff was the line he and others are pushing. Of course if other countries import and study peer gear its called competitive evaluation. Chinese do it its all fine. Russians, US ditto. But we shouldnt. Meanwhile cent per cent imports are also ok. Such half baked ego driven efforts and hypocrisy are partly what allow the import lobby to thrive.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 23 Dec 2014 09:18

I guess, these committees were made to justify the import bill. The man Mathesaran was looking after MMRCA initial phases no? Does he not have a 'Conflict of Interest' in being part of such committees. A hard rebuttal is required here.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 23 Dec 2014 09:28

The two big reasons why stuff like Matheswarans gets a pass is because a) our respect for the IAF (deservedly) means one doesnt want to quibble with folks like him despite their overt bias and really inflammatory claims b ) it might serve to have him & others continue to push down indigenous efforts to get their own back (sadly observed in the case of the Arjun; unbiased officers who spoke up "for" the Arjun were actually censured!). These combine to limit our options.
I agree its time some of his stuff needs rebuttals. His bias is so overt its not even funny.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 23 Dec 2014 10:01

^^^ If someone can get SJha or someone else with credibility and sufficient information to get a strong rebuttal in now, it would be a start. (Just my thoughts)

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 23 Dec 2014 10:36

^^^ We (PeeeAreEff) can write a better rebuttal than our DDM for both the AM and the HAL email re. Avro replasement. If our friends like chacko or ndtv/vishnu want to give us the bandwidth, we offer to think-tank. Depending upon S/Jha (or asnyone else with narrow indian visibility alone) will not solve the problem.