Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Samudragupta · Post by **Samudragupta** » 17 Nov 2015 21:23

The immediate result for the dramatic attack is probably the stopping of refugee flow to Europe.... needs to see who is going to benefit out of it....

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 17 Nov 2015 21:28

shiv wrote:
deejay wrote:On a different note, if Paris was like Mumbai, the French did attack Syria. They escalated further than us. I think after ACM Fali Major suggested Air Strike as retaliation but his suggestion was overlooked and termed "emotional" or something.
We did not hit back after 26/11 because Kasab and friends were ideological allies of the Congress government. Killing Hindus, Jews and Westerners was necessary and justifiable for all of them.

Doc Sa'ab and Paul ji, not only did we not hit back but the allegation that the suggestion of aggression by a serving IAF Chief was termed as emotional, IMO, tells its own story. If military men showing readiness to take military action are emotional than does it follow (in our context) that a rational, straight thinking military leader should suggest - dialogue instead of military actions?

However, since I am not confirmed on it I will not push this. I was also pointing out that the French are not quite the "Surrender...." that was suggested earlier.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Nov 2015 21:30

I read today that out of 250K refugee arrivals in EU, only 44k are from syria.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 17 Nov 2015 21:34

quite a lot are from africa too, there is a smugglers route up from the sahel through libya to the italian and greek coast

also afghans and iraqis are in the mix. the syrians seem to be mostly middle class professional types, whilst the others are more ordinary people

Samudragupta · Post by **Samudragupta** » 17 Nov 2015 21:37

Its common knowledge that Putin's Russia enjoys positive relation with the center of the right polity in Europe...the right wing has been vocal critic of the cultural Marxists regarding the flow of Non whites into Europe and this includes Germany and France....Macho Putin is mostly seen as kind of Pan white savior of the conservative polity in Europe....If Russia can use this opportunity...Putin will be mostly move closer to Europe....

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 17 Nov 2015 21:50

Though this not very recent but still posting this infographic from twitter:

https://twitter.com/AP_Interactive/stat ... 0525314048

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What we know about the attackers from the #ParisAttacks: http://apne.ws/1kAOQAI

And an update from twitter:
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/666655071174860800

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U.S. House Homeland Security Chair McCaul says believes as many as 20 people involved in Paris attacks - CNN

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Nov 2015 22:21

US loves to Monday morning quarter back as if they know more. Its repugnant to talk more than Paris who are the victims here.
Anyway ask the honble Chair, how come TSA did not detect a gun on Saturday on a flight and who is accountable for it?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Nov 2015 22:22

deejay, Number 2 looks like a Paki.

Even among the 19 hijackers who had KSA passports, there were many Paki looking faces.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Nov 2015 22:54

ramana wrote:deejay, Number 2 looks like a Paki.
Even among the 19 hijackers who had KSA passports, there were many Paki looking faces.

I have the same suspicion . This is the guy with fake Syrian passport processed at Greek port. IMHO, it is because of him Paki minister is giving statement that Paki will refuse to take deportees etc unless proof of terrorism is given. Dal Mey Kucsh Kala Hai .

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Nov 2015 23:07

One more odd thing is. A Belgian Muslim is the mastermind for a French attack using mostly French attackers. How does this work?
Only in a military trained gang.

All these are old TSP ISI off sourced resources.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 17 Nov 2015 23:07

Has a Paki connection been established yet? Almost everything IT related has some connection with Pak.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Nov 2015 23:26

A plausible link.

[ulr=http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/17/opinions/ ... index.html]CNN: Bergen on Explosives used in Paris attack[/url]

(CNN)—French prosecutors say the bombs used in the terrorist attacks in Paris on Friday were made from TATP, a fact that yields important clues about the way the plot was planned and executed.

TATP-based bombs are built using the common household ingredient hydrogen peroxide, which is used to bleach hair. Such bombs have been a signature of jihadist terrorists in the West for more than a decade because the materials are so easy to acquire, unlike military-grade explosives, which are tightly controlled in much of the West.

Their use in the Paris attacks, as well as in terrorist plots in London and in the United States over the past decade, should remind law enforcement in the West that these TATP bombs are what jihadist terrorists may deploy in the future.

The dangers of TATP bombs can be seen in the case of Matthew Rugo and Curtis Jetton, 21-year-old roommates in Texas City, Texas. They didn't have any bomb-making training and were manufacturing explosives in 2006 from concentrated bleach when their concoction blew up, killing Rugo and injuring Jetton. The pair had no political motives: They had just wanted to blow up vehicles for fun.

Others in the United States have built TATP bombs with far more malevolent intent. Najibullah Zazi, who grew up in New York City, wanted to blow up as many commuters as possible on the Manhattan subway system.

Zazi was trained by al Qaeda to make a TATP bomb in Pakistan, and during the summer of 2009, he made bulk purchases of hair bleach in suburban Denver and set up his bomb factory in a nearby motel room.

He mixed and cooked batches of hair bleach in the kitchenette of the motel. On the night of September 6, 2009, as he labored over the stove, Zazi sent several emails to an al Qaeda operative "Ahmad." The emails contained a well-known al Qaeda code for a terrorist operation being imminent -- "the marriage is ready" -- and also asked for specific instructions "right away, please" about the other ingredients needed for the explosive.

Zazi had mastered the manufacture of the hair bleach-based bombs but had forgotten the precise proportions of those ingredients needed to ignite the mixture.

If Zazi had sent these emails to an ordinary email account in Pakistan, anyone monitoring it would have assumed the query was about making a wedding cake. But the email address Zazi used to touch base with "Ahmad" was sana_pakhtana@yahoo.com, an account that was being monitored by British intelligence because someone using it had also been in touch with al Qaeda recruits in the United Kingdom.

The Brits tipped off American officials that the email account belonged to an al Qaeda operative living in Pakistan, and the U.S. National Security Agency began monitoring it.

Once the FBI realized there was an al Qaeda recruit living in Denver making TATP bombs, it intensively monitored Zazi. He traveled from Denver to New York to carry out his plan around the eighth anniversary of 9/11 and was soon arrested, as were two of his co-conspirators, all of whom were given long prison sentences.

More successful for al Qaeda was the cell of British suicide bombers who carried out the "7/7" London bombings on July 7, 2005. They used their training to heat up and distill ordinary hair bleach, combining it with other ingredients to make effective bombs. Making these bleach-based bombs was a complex process, not something that could be picked up by reading bomb-making recipes on the Internet. The ringleader had received bomb-making training from al Qaeda in Pakistan.

In an apartment the London plotters had rented to serve as their bomb factory, they mixed the chemicals. As they brewed up batches, they wore disposable masks because of the high toxicity of the materials, which bleached their dark hair a noticeably lighter color. They installed a commercial-grade refrigerator in the apartment to keep the highly unstable bomb ingredients cold. They built four devices.

Fifty-two commuters were killed when the bombs detonated on three London Underground trains and a double-decker bus. Two weeks after the attacks, on July 21, 2005, a second wave of hydrogen peroxide-based bombs was set off in London, this one organized by a cell of Somali and Eritrean men who were first-generation immigrants to the UK. Fortunately, while four bombs were set to detonate on July 21 -- three on the Underground and one on a bus, mimicking the attacks two weeks earlier -- their faulty construction rendered them harmless.

Hydrogen peroxide-based bombs would again be the signature of a cell of British Pakistanis who plotted to bring down seven passenger jets flying to the United States and Canada from the UK during the summer of 2006. The plotters were intent on committing suicide during the attacks on the passenger jets. Six of them made "martyrdom" videotapes recovered by British investigators.

British authorities were tracking the ringleader intensively in the summer of 2006. When he was arrested in east London on August 10, 2006, he was carrying a memory stick storing flight plans for United Airlines, American Airlines and Air Canada jets flying from the UK to destinations such as Chicago, Washington, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Montreal and Toronto.

Investigators later found several large bottles containing concentrated hydrogen peroxide that one of the conspirators had dumped in a London park. The plotters were planning to bring the liquid explosives disguised as soft drinks in hand luggage onto the flights they had targeted, together with other innocuous-looking items that could act as triggers. They had planned to assemble their bombs on the planes.

It was this plot that triggered airlines to ban almost all liquids being taken on flights.

As French investigators try to piece together what happened in Paris, they will surely be looking for where the TATP bombs were assembled, whether in an apartment as the 7/7 plotters did, or in a motel room as Zazi did, or in some other location. They will also be trying to determine who built the bombs.

Were they built by the terrorists themselves, as was the case with the 7/7 plotters, or did someone else build them? And where did the training to build the bombs happen? Was it in France, or in Syria, or in some other location? These are some of the questions that, hopefully, the investigation will eventually unearth.

After 9/11, the New York Police Department initiated Operation Nexus, in which cops visited thousands of stores in the city and the wider Northeast region that sold or distributed materials that could be used in a terrorist operation. It could be anything from pipes useful for pipe bombs to the explosive "black powder" that can be found in fireworks. Each store owner would be told, "If you see in an anomaly in a purchase, let us know."

Najibullah Zazi was just such an anomaly, as he was a dark-haired, bearded Afghan-American man in his 20s who bought six bottles of Clairoxide hair bleach during one shopping trip at a store in a Denver suburb. Zazi returned to the store a month later and purchased another dozen bottles of Ms. Kay Liquid, which is also a peroxide-based hair bleach.

It's that kind of bulk purchase of hydrogen peroxide that should trigger a suspicious activity report in the U.S. and other Western countries.

Remember Zazi. Hillary Clinton threatened to nuke TSP if one more incident occurs.

Remember the Backpaki London Bombers they too used TATP made in bathtubs.

Definitely ISI hand.

Abhay_S · Post by **Abhay_S** » 17 Nov 2015 23:28

Samudragupta wrote:The immediate result for the dramatic attack is probably the stopping of refugee flow to Europe.... needs to see who is going to benefit out of it....

Another result is that Putin is now viewed as a Major ally in this fight. Ukraine issue goes to the back burner..

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Nov 2015 23:52

French AF targets in Al Raqqah, Syria. Nov 15.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Nov 2015 23:52

Both the russians and the french air forces have descended on Al Raqqah with a vengence!

Al Raqqa looks like a very beautiful town with nice weather otherwise. Below are some of the main landmarks in the town center there.

Both the governorate building and the financial buildings were ISIS's HQ. The financial building was supposedly bombed by the USAF in late 2014. ISIS would hold public executions on the Clock tower square. Jihadi John was droned right in front of the Financial building, right next to the clock tower square, while in a car.

member_29247 · Post by **member_29247** » 18 Nov 2015 00:06

is that supposed to be
Alliance Francaise

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 18 Nov 2015 00:16

Where is the Square Of The Thousand Lashes, the Tower of The Severed Hands, and the Well of the Thousand Severed Heads? What sort of Caliphate capital can this be without those?

member_29247 · Post by **member_29247** » 18 Nov 2015 00:33

ramana ji

Zazi case almost resembles Breaking Bad tv series of making meth!

Don't tell me they used H2O2 from L'Oreal Paris Hair Color
and Cheryl Cole uses it

I think like Sudafed Actifed like cold medicines hair color will be dispensed only with driver license and kept under lock and key of Walgreen pharmacist?

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 18 Nov 2015 00:55

For all we know they just moved mud. Would ISIS be stupid enough to use those buildings after the Paris attack and knowing they'd be attacked from the air?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Nov 2015 01:03

Tatp can be home cooked using ingredients available to any hairdresser - it's one of the things that security services keep an eye on, it used to be weed killer but they doctor that now
Anyone looking up home made bombs on the net gets a tail put on them
Al q has manuals on this on the net, no need for paqui intervention here

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Nov 2015 01:14

paqui is Al qeeda

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Nov 2015 03:37

Paqui are al-Qaeda wanna bes
Pure bred a-rabs don't need no snivelly brown converts

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Nov 2015 06:03

ramana wrote:A plausible link.

CNN: Bergen on Explosives used in Paris attack

It strikes me that the US and UK have been much more diligent on the Intel front. Having said that they are both protected by oceans/large moats which makes a difference

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Nov 2015 06:07

Karan M wrote:For all we know they just moved mud. Would ISIS be stupid enough to use those buildings after the Paris attack and knowing they'd be attacked from the air?

You know Karan - none of these things might work - and even well known strategic thinkers like Sagarika Ghosht are saying that if the attack was planned in Belgium what is the point in bombing Syria. But it certainly lets off steam and gives the feeling that something is being done - so that when nothing changes after a few years they can say "Well we bombed them but blah blah"

In India's case we don't even let off steam and when nothing changes after a few years everyone is asking why we did nothing.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 18 Nov 2015 07:52

So Belgium launches terror attack on Paris - and Syria gets bombed. Just like Pak and KSA launch attack on US, and Afghanistan and Iraq get bombed. US has been wanting to bomb Syria for decades now, and Russians stole the thunder of the ShockNAwe.

At least it is some payback and small comfort for Belgium. In 1914, Serbia gets in a bissing match with Austria, and Belgium got invaded by Germany. Then in 1939, Poland, Germany and Russia get in a spat, and Belgium gets invaded just because France as a Maginot Line.

member_29247 · Post by **member_29247** » 18 Nov 2015 07:52

Bombing Syria is because

its far away from France

its the alleged root cause of terror

it completely decimates a sovereign state

its not Belgium its TS Paki stupid!! the epicenter which everybody is winking... including India

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 18 Nov 2015 08:05

ramana wrote:deejay, Number 2 looks like a Paki.
Even among the 19 hijackers who had KSA passports, there were many Paki looking faces.

Yes, they do. However, as Paki women have had fun with many races, over the decades, you can not be certain. But I am praying that in time a solid Paki connection will emerge. It always does.
Gautam

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Nov 2015 08:53

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Philip · Post by **Philip** » 18 Nov 2015 09:55

Fresh shootings in Paris!
Unconfirmed reports that a policeman has been killed and sev. injured as the police hunt for the two missing gunmen of the Friday attacks. A 9th attacker was found after watching CCTV footage.

https://www.rt.com/news/322507-gunfire- ... ht-police/
Sound of gunfire fills Paris night as ‘police raid’ frightens residents in Saint-Denis
Published time: 18 Nov, 2015Residents of Saint-Denis were awakened by an exchange of gunfire in the middle of the night and people have taken to social media in an attempt to get more information. Some reports citing local police suggest a police raid is underway. People have been advised to stay calm and not leave their homes.Residents of Saint-Denis were awakened by an exchange of gunfire in the middle of the night and people have taken to social media in an attempt to get more information. Some reports citing local police suggest a police raid is underway. People have been advised to stay calm and not leave their homes.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Nov 2015 10:13

St denis assault in progress

An operation conducted by the Anti-Terrorism Sub-Directorate of the Judicial Police and RAID is currently in Saint- Denis ( Seine-Saint-Denis ), according to the Paris prosecutor . A police source concatée by Le Monde has reported crossfire.
Two men targeted by the attack were killed , do we learned from police sources . A third man could also have been killed , information to be confirmed , says this source. According to a source close to the investigation quoted by AFP , police officers were also injured during the assault.

Learn more about http://www.lemonde.fr/attaques-a-paris/ ... P1YqWY7.99

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Nov 2015 10:14

the french units all have excellent protective gear - lessons for india. endangering our police with inferior gear is unnecessary when we spend so much on other things. the kind of BPJ that hemant karkare was give is like a banian vs these french kit.

we can assume any swarm attack will feature heavy AK56 bullets, shotguns, mil grade plastic explosives...not puny handguns or desi kattas.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Nov 2015 10:20

RT : 1 POLICE OFFICER ‘KILLED,’ SEVERAL INJURED IN ANTI-TERROR RAID IN SAINT-DENIS, PARIS – UNCONFIRMED

RT: Bomb threats force 2 Air France flights from US to Paris into emergency landings

Two Air France planes flying to Paris from Washington and Los Angeles were forced to divert to Halifax and Salt Lake City due to bomb threats, the airline has confirmed. All passengers have been evacuated, with police and the FBI now investigating.
Air France confirmed in a statement that both flights AF055 and AF065 were diverted because they “were subjects of anonymous threats received after their respective take-offs.”

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Nov 2015 10:22

RT is live streaming a camera here/ seems like atleast 200 fully armed operators in black dress, 4 ambulances visible, lot of medical staff.

https://www.rt.com/on-air/france-anti-t ... operation/

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Nov 2015 10:32

CNN
(CNN)An associate of Jihadi John was arrested in Istanbul on Friday while on his way to Europe to deliver orders on a planned terror attack, leading Turkish newspaper Hurriyet reported Tuesday and a Turkish official confirmed to CNN.

Aine Lesley Davis was arrested after Turkish intelligence worked with British MI6 to monitor the movements of a messenger linked to Jihadi John inside the Syrian city of Raqqa and received information on Davis' plans, Hurriyet said.

Davis, a former drug offender from West London turned-ISIS jihadist, disappeared in Syria in 2013 to fight with ISIS, officials said.

Davis was noncommunicative during the interrogation "and all information was gathered through a digital investigation of his phone line," the newspaper said.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 18 Nov 2015 10:54

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/ ... operation/

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/liv ... 23173.html

These reports are all around. Sec Lib gang allowed the no go peaceful areas to be created in many EU cities. Now paying the price.

member_29247 · Post by **member_29247** » 18 Nov 2015 11:04

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member_29247 · Post by **member_29247** » 18 Nov 2015 11:07

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Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Nov 2015 11:09

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Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Nov 2015 11:41

RT: female suicide bomber among 2 dead in paris raid.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Nov 2015 15:27

they killed the damn po-leece dawg!

anyway... for next few days every brown face and maghrebi looking person in the banlieues is gonna get extra pestered by les flics and even if they catch 2 perps, at least 20 new ones will be created on the back of 'police harassment'

(banlieue = low income suburbs/ghettos; flics = french slang for cops)