AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 05 Aug 2013 07:41

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SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 05 Aug 2013 18:29

A pro-Telangana, anti-KCR, anti-Andhra, Right-wing, pro-Hindu blog: http://karsewak.blogspot.com/.

If Telangana is handled well by BJP, I guess BJP could pick a seat here or there.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 05 Aug 2013 18:33

what do you mean by telengana handled well?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Aug 2013 19:33

Jalayajnam Projects by areas

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Aug 2013 20:09

So most of the irrigation projects are to be completed by 2015 except for Pranahita in 2019.
All these were planned under CBN and started by YSR team.

I guess first column is allocated and second col is spent so far? In that case since payments are progress completion, the ration will give completion %?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Aug 2013 20:19

Rji. You are correct.

On Andhra side Polavaram (>16k crore) and on Telangana side Pranahita (>38k crore) and Kanchanapalli (>10K crore) are the large projects and are planned for post 2016-2020. Between these three projects ~70k crore funds are required. If INC makes Polavaram project a national project; thus eligible for 90% funding from center, then the other two T-projects also must be made national projects.

If you notice, if KKR and Rosiah were smart (or sincere) they should have completed all T-projects in the past 2 years with say ~10K crore funds and get the good will of T-people. Moreover it would have made sense for all these projects are in the upper regions of the rivers thus immediately useful.

There is a genuine reason for T-people to be pissed off.

The sad part is that with the new state, T-people are getting freedom from these Andhra Political-RE-Asuras but Seemandhra is stuck with them. Look at all the MPs/MLAs from Seemandhra area and hardly 10% of them are genuine and nationalistic candidates

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Aug 2013 20:23

So dilli billi was right in a manner of speaking!

What is needed is these leaders to reform themselves and keep the tryst with destiny and not be the stealers of the tryst.

With or without them the Telugus will keep their destiny started in the pre-Rajaraja Narendra time. Its for those who want to be on the journey to join or not.

That lady journalist who worte in Hindu had some very important questions relevant to the issue?

What is State?

Is language and indenity or is it the people?

And so on....

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 05 Aug 2013 20:28

Some more info on the status of the projects here

Officials assured the Chief Minister that steps will be taken to create 30 lakh new ayacut during 2013-14. The Jalayagnam started in 2004-05. Till date, 16 projects are fully completed and 24 projects partially completed. About 22.45 lakh new ayacut is already created. The completed projects are: B.R.R.Vamsadhara Project Stage-II - Phase-I, B.R.R. Vamsadhara Project Stage-II - Phase-II, Chagalnadu LIS, Peddagedda Reservoir, K.V.Ramakrishna Surampalem Reservoir, Madduvalasa, Tenneti Viswanadham Pedderu Reservoir, Kovvadakalva Project, Bupathipalem, Musurumilli Project, Sri Magunta Subbarami Reddy Ramatheertham BR, Swarnamukhi Barrage, Veligallu Project, Alisagar LIS, Arugula Rajaram - Guthpa LIS, Gaddena-Suddavagu Project and Ralivagu.

The partially completed projects are: (Andhra Region) Jhanjhavathi, Thotapally Project, Pushkaram Lift Irrigation, Tadipudi Lift Irrigation, Venkatanagaram LIS, Gundlakamma Project, Somasila Project, Madduvalasa - Stage-II. (Rayalaseema Region) Nellore & Prakasam: Telugu Ganga Project, Guru Raghavendra Lift Irrigation Scheme; SRBC, Pulivendula Branch Canal (Modernisation), Mylavaram Reservoir (Modernisation). (Telangana Region) AMRP (SLBC), SRSP-II, Mathadivagu Project, JCR-DLIS, Gollavagu, Kinnerasani Canals, Sri Komaram Bheem Project, Choutupalli Hanmanth Reddy LIS, Mahatma Gandhi-Kalwakurthy LIS, Rajiv-Bhima LI Scheme, Jawahar-Nettampadu LI Scheme

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 05 Aug 2013 20:31

combination of all.. but when it comes to language, the larger language demographics of desh states speaks high with the politics of the state.

there should be some differences and delimiters to make it a new state.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Aug 2013 20:37

Saik, I now realize language was an immediate identity formation device that was chosen by Mahatma Gandhi et al (Ref Letter to Sir Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan in 1930). The real roots of formation of separate identity are the feeling of exploitation. It was short sighted, un-understanding and once public passions were enflamed its difficult for small leaders to stop the tide.

I am saying right after Independence.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 05 Aug 2013 20:44

when it comes to empowerment, it remains important that our core desi-walas becomes 90% high elite class.. that is when, we can see mergers and formation or further dissection of India for progressive measures.. even there, the like minded or like processes or like structured needs will be tabled together, and seek differences.

communication is the biggest problem.. the other way to solve this issue is by learning what the westerners have done.. standardization. std model from building homes to streets, villages, towns and cities. stdn model is the way forward, but cost heavy in the beginning., but that is the only model that will sustain us on on the long term.

we have to move away, from relying on gov for everything as well.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Aug 2013 20:48

OT but this sub-identities and exploitation can be healed when we go to the basics of our national identity - Hindu Dharma.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 05 Aug 2013 20:51

That is the only core bus on which we have to develop on, but remain invisible at service layers. speaking a bit like an architect.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 05 Aug 2013 21:51

SaiK wrote:what do you mean by telengana handled well?

There are news about Modi/BJP giving up on Telangana. Hope that they do not give up - that is what I meant.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Aug 2013 22:08

R.Rajagopalan, Vaartha editor

Division of AP will benfit MIM and BJP

Is the struggle for statehood for Telangana reaching a decisive phase? Or will the Indian political class keep the issue in a limbo? Political analyst and 'Vaartha' bureau chief R Rajagopalan joined IBNLive readers for an interaction on the issue.

Q. Is appending two districts of Rayalaseema to Telangana for political gains logical? Do Rayalaseema region has some identity on its own? Asked by: vinay tripathi

A. I do not think so, no political gains - but there is an apprehension in Telangana that the proposals to get two more districts means to get equal representations and balance the communities and caste factors.

Q. Mr Rajagopalan, What will be the effect of this bifurcation across other states in India? Already news of protests for Gorkhaland and now Vidharba seems to be gaining momentum..is this really in the interest of the nation? Asked by: Jai

A. With regional political parties emerging as key players in Indian politics-like ADMK, YSR Congress_ BJD- JDU and getting centre weak- as Union Govt is there to formulate strategies for internal external securities of India. Financial commercial and trade securities are there. Therefore Creations of many smaller states will affect the unity of India in the longer run say from today to 25 years.

Q. From what I understand - the Coastal Andhra region already has a good economy while Telangana only has Hyderabad as its major source of revenue. Then why are coastal Andhra people averse to bifurcation? Asked by: Dharam

A. This is political. For sixty years Congress has been toying with the idea of United Andhra. But now with the new waves setting in in AICC- say emergence of Rahul Gandhi - it is his clear cut idea to have a Telangana. And does not want to have a united Andhra This is purely political. To cripple Jagan Reddy YSR Congress such far reaching consequential steps are now being attempted by AICC and UPA.

{So far I heard many other names being pushed. First time am hearing Amul baba wants to break AP to finish Jagan. Now there will be rethinking on who is at back of YSR accidenting? Earlier Mukesh Ambani, Act of nature so on etc were thrown around. }

Q. Do you think that the People from Andhra region settled in Hyderabad from decades don't have any right to involvement or to decide on Hyderabad? Asked by: Pavan

A. Yes they do have rights ... But as I maintain issue of Hyderabad is too emotional sentimental and political. Sitting in Delhi AICC leaders who never had a touch of regional feelings try out such formulations. In my understanding the decision is all aimed at to "politically finish" Jagan Reddy.

Q. Do you think the division will benefit parties like MIM and BJP, Also your opinion about Hyderabad being made union territory? Asked by: Indian_nationalist

A. AICC is taking a far reaching decision- they are playing with emotional feelings of one section of the people of a state. Yes it will benefit MIM and BJP. Making Hyderabad as Union Territory is not now the case. As for eleven years Hyderabad will be a joint capital.

Q. With congress agreeing to bifurcate AP,the congress's policy of divide and rule is finally becoming a reality, but my question is whether congress can really benefit from this(how many seats is it banking upon), as other parties have now started opposing idea of Rayalseema districts being merged with it? Asked by: Himanshu

A. Congress will not benefit. In fact the surveys of many TV news channels show Congress getting routed-dissimated much before the CWC decision of creation of Telangna Where is Congress? And Kiran Reddy is the last Chief Minister of Congress. And in the next two decades Congress will never show up. Be it in Telangana or in Seema areas.

Q. Some UPA patners are not supporting for small states. If UPA takes the decision in favour f telangana how many days it'll take to complete the process? Without support from NDA, UPA can pass Telangana bill? I think because of congress selfishness they are creating rift between people. Asked by: Sukesh Chinni

A. This is a simple trick-gamble Congress is playing with Telangana. AICC if it was serious- it should have gradually steadily announced after careful study of creation of Telangana - By 2014 Budget session the UPA will move the resolution in Lok Sabha. That is the time limit I heard from AICC sources.

Q. For UPA government is that easy for them to pass the Telangana bill in parliament? If Chief Minister and ministers in AP resigns from their posts, what is the situation going to be? UPA can form different state in president's rule. MP's from Andhra will they support to Food Security Bill, if UPA takes the decision in favour of Telangana? Asked by: Soumya

A. You said it. Congress and UPA will find it difficult to get it passed in Parliament. As a political observer- it is still not clear- why this sudden hype on Telangana from AICC side. There is some thing which might have upset AICC leadership. Is it plan of Rahul Gandhi ? One does not know. As Rahul Gandhi seldom speaks-ignores media-neve interacts with people.

Q. Telangana state credit will goes to TRS and Andhra division blame will goes to Congress? Asked by: Hari

A. Why and what for in a great hurry Congress in a week's time from changing over of guards Gulam Nabi Azad to Digvijaya Singh taken a lightning speed decision on Telangana.

Q. Sir, what ever happen Congress will lose in both Assembly and Lok sabha election. Asked by: Hari

A. Yes you said it.

Q. IS the TN Governor Dr Rosiah likely to be in place to see the implementation of the Bifurcation, under a President's rule? Asked by: sundar1950in

A. How can it be? He has been a Chief Minister and now governor. Rosaiah might have spread this story.

Q. Hyderabadi's want to be in Telengana or as an UT. Has there been any feed back taken on this from Hyderabdais? Asked by: sundar1950in

A. You are right..This must have been discussed at the Core Committee But once the AICC taken a decision- it begun to thrust it on Telangana and Andhra people.

Q. Its also a one of diversion tactics on Mr Modi wave in India and meeting in Hyderabad? Asked by: Hari

A. I do not think so.. This has nothing to do with Modi. Decision to split Andhra according to my source was taken at a break fast table when mother and children were enjoying hot coffee .

{So I was right to thinkof brown EIC and partition of Bengal over a hundred years ago! Now they have to Quit India if we want progress.}

Q. Sir, 11th Aug Mr.Modi going for the meeting at Hyderabad, this Telangana tactics is to silents the Modi wave? Asked by: Hari

A. No, not at all. Congress has its own game plan. As Laggapati Rajagopal told me.., Vinasakale Vibhareedha puddhi. Lanco Rajagopal very nicely put it...Congress leaders finished Congress in Andhra.

Interesting insights. So despite all the contacts none has deciphered the Italian Sphinx and why she decided to divide Andhra Pradesh.

All other factors are minor.

RamaY, In the Mesquita analysis look up the power analysis.
If I recall due to the various comprominses int eh many rounds her family coterie power goes up very high.

In the Hyderabad meet try to discuss with Hari and the rest.
Maybe being game theory guru he might decipher the charts.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 05 Aug 2013 23:02

ramana wrote:Interesting insights. So despite all the contacts none has deciphered the Italian Sphinx and why she decided to divide Andhra Pradesh.

All other factors are minor.

RamaY, In the Mesquita analysis look up the power analysis.
If I recall due to the various comprominses int eh many rounds her family coterie power goes up very high.

In the Hyderabad meet try to discuss with Hari and the rest.
Maybe being game theory guru he might decipher the charts.

To understand why AP is split, we should speculate what are next splits that give Congress advantage. Glee and excessive involvement from Ajit Singh indicate next in-line is UP. UP, MH, Gujarat, Tamilnadu may be next in line in their thinking. While UP, MH, Tamilnadu are British/Pre-INC social-engineered state, AP is INC baby to social engineer the way they want. AP is key because it removes any restrictions (language-based for example) for state splits and reverse any regional-party social-engineering projects. Once AP falls, there is complete control and power with less protests to split anywhere that Central parties feel compelled to for political advantage. Whether they split or not is different story AP gave testing ground for them where which ever side or both side they play they get advantage. All states with 20 or so seats are not threat to INC/Central parties.

With respect to AP, INC took decision in principle to push INC+TRS vs TDP+BJP in Telangana and INC+YSRC vs TDP in Seemandhra and are happy with getting 20 seats for UPA-3. If Seemandhra causes breakdown, they'll back-down to some extent but they already got TRS in their kitty.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 05 Aug 2013 23:12

Does divide and rule also mean that any divisions that won't benefit con race won't occur?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Aug 2013 23:14

ShyamSP wrote: To understand why AP is split, we should speculate what are next splits that give Congress advantage. Glee and excessive involvement from Ajit Singh indicate next in-line is UP. UP, MH, Gujarat, Tamilnadu may be next in line in their thinking. While UP, MH, Tamilnadu are British/Pre-INC social-engineered state, AP is INC baby to social engineer the way they want. AP is key because it removes any restrictions (language-based for example) for state splits and reverse any regional-party social-engineering projects. Once AP falls, there is complete control and power with less protests to split anywhere that Central parties feel compelled to for political advantage. Whether they split or not is different story AP gave testing ground for them where which ever side or both side they play they get advantage. All states with 20 or so seats are not threat to INC/Central parties....

Now relate this to Bji's post on how regionalism and linguistic dogma was advanced by mullas, INC and British experts in the 1920s to reduce Bengal and Bombay Presidencies. I submit same was done with Madras also. Here only INC was involved through its Telugu faction.

Only constant in all cases was INC think tank.
Time for INC to Quit India.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 05 Aug 2013 23:39

ShyamSP wrote: UP, MH, Gujarat, Tamilnadu may be next in line in their thinking. While UP, MH, Tamilnadu are British/Pre-INC social-engineered state, AP is INC baby to social engineer the way they want. AP is key because it removes any restrictions (language-based for example) for state splits and reverse any regional-party social-engineering projects.

I think the splits are happening due to massive population. All the states that split recently gave birth to states with huge population. Uttarakhand maybe was different but even it has 10+ million. I think any state above 50 million is vulnerable. Administratively my own Opinion is that no state should have a population much above 40-50 million. KA,RJ,WB, even GJ could also find themselves on the other side. TN has a natural fault line between north & south. But as long as the old Chola north is strong and tamil identity is maintained, it is hard to see S.TN pulling away. Still things change and rulers change and opinions can change.

AP is the first SI state to split. That in itself is a paradigm shift. Power has largely shifted to the states now and CM’s can definitely get more done than any PM. Nothing happens without the consent of the majority of CM’s. Take a look at how multi-retail worked out. By splitting the Congress game plan is to have 2 CM’s vs 1. Greater say, even if manufactured. More options for folks to advance, even as the dynasty at the top holds a titanium ceiling in place.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Aug 2013 23:50

regarding vartha interview:

As discussed earlier, this is equivalant to Brindralwale, IPKF moments in AP. They will just not win anywhere in AP. APites are not violent and hence lives may not have issues (however no gaurantee for the statues ) for the Gandhi family but effect will be same.

In addition, they are also talking of dragging to next year budget session. Are they nuts? If they want to split they bloody split it and face it. Hyderabad-10 year gestation period is itself big fishy stuff. They are trying pass off current generation of leaders.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 05 Aug 2013 23:54

Even during the heydays of Maharajas and Emperors, that politically united the vast land - these Monarchs had to leverage regional Rajahs and chiefs. There was the unifying cultural layer (with its own sub layers of sub cultures) that allowed people to migrate freely and cause cultural exchange. As long as people did what they were supposed to do, the Rajahs let them be; and in turn the Maharajah did not care either. One of the dharamas of the Rajah was to maintain the social order via the varnas. The lands prospered when the learned and skilled were allowed to exhibit their erudition and talent, the traders were able to trade without worrying about crime, and the farmers and other artisans went about doing their work.

In America it is called State vs Federal rights/duties/responsibilities ityadi. That is all. All vast lands with huge population have to manage themselves. If this management is smooth with less chaos then the society becomes stable and prospers. For every issue, if agitation/protests/riots erupts then the polity is either engaging in creating them or extinguishing them for their own benefit. The society suffers.

In its current modern young form, India has learned to manage democracy. The States issue will be one of the things to master. It is a learning experience, and India will arrive at what suits its interests the best.

I might have a "Aha", "Eureka", "light bulb" moment just now; little wonder why desh vaasis cared for their clan/caste more than a larger political entity is because if the state/kingdom borders were fluid and changed shapes as well as rulers, what really mattered was the availability of opportunities to do as per their dharama. If a blacksmith is forging a weapon, does it matter who he forges for? But then there is always the factor of "us" - because all people had to feel part of the Kingdom, and have love/affection for the Rajah. One always reads about the Rajahs having to please the subjects and earn their blessings and pleasure.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 06 Aug 2013 00:02

Theo_Fidel wrote: I think the splits are happening due to massive population. All the states that split recently gave birth to states with huge population. Uttarakhand maybe was different but even it has 10+ million. I think any state above 50 million is vulnerable. Administratively my own Opinion is that no state should have a population much above 40-50 million. KA,RJ,WB, even GJ could also find themselves on the other side. TN has a natural fault line between north & south. But as long as the old Chola north is strong and tamil identity is maintained, it is hard to see S.TN pulling away. Still things change and rulers change and opinions can change.

AP is the first SI state to split. That in itself is a paradigm shift. Power has largely shifted to the states now and CM’s can definitely get more done than any PM. Nothing happens without the consent of the majority of CM’s. Take a look at how multi-retail worked out. By splitting the Congress game plan is to have 2 CM’s vs 1. Greater say, even if manufactured. More options for folks to advance, even as the dynasty at the top holds a titanium ceiling in place.

There are N ways AP can be split where majority agrees unless case now where majority opposing. This AP issue is mute, if Central parties followed second SRC or any scientific and uniform basis for state division. Whole mess is the division is done by encouraging fight between two monkeys and wily fox taking control of division between the monkeys.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 06 Aug 2013 00:25

q: can't state gov employees be coming from other states? what are the rules of state govs regarding employee residence/domicle of the state?

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 06 Aug 2013 00:28

ShyamSP wrote:There are N ways AP can be split where majority agrees unless case now where majority opposing.

Hmm! is this true. Would telangana folks agree to free redrawing of map?

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 06 Aug 2013 01:31

The division is primarily caste+votes (getting or denying) based.

The Kammas from Andhra area have not learned the lesons of 1969 chenna reddy spearheaded Jai Telangana.

It was intense rivalry betwen Kasu Brahmananda Reddy from Guntur, Sanjeva Reddy from Anantapur/Cuddaph?
Sanjiviah ( a SC), Chenna Reddy was the battle royal of those days.

Like YSR Brahmananda Reddy was converted christain from Narsaraopeta Guntur.

Sanjiviah statute was pulled down using tractors......

In the early eighties it was joke on AP every week one new minister appointed by IG in Delhi, groups of Kammas reddy's used to travel weekly carrying tales to AICC to change the CM. Anjaiah Vijay Bhaskar reddy, Vengal Rao last but not least Nadendla Bhaskar rao "ek din ka Sultana looted" the state.

Its caste caste caste world be it TN or Maha, or AP/TP UP Bihar it all boils down to caste.

this SG RG PG and her kitchen cabinet are not even equal to one hair of Indira Gandhi, who set the house on fire and still garner votes....

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Aug 2013 01:48

Good you recall Nadendla Bhaskar Rao! His son is now the speaker while he is an MP in Delhi. A founder of TDP who went back to INC patures.

Op-Ed Pioneer

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/ ... yopia.html

Country will pay for Congress’s myopia
Tuesday, 06 August 2013 | A Surya Prakash |

Jawaharlal Nehru rejected the Justice Fazal Ali Commission Report in 1955, and Sonia Gandhi rejected the Justice Srikrishna Committee Report in 2013. The net result is a mess in the name of Telangana

With every opinion poll predicting the downfall of the Congress in the next Lok Sabha election and its virtual decimation in Andhra Pradesh, the party has begun to show its true colours — it appears to be willing to do anything to shore up its numbers in the next Lok Sabha, even if this means encouraging fissiparous tendencies and endangering national unity.

This may sound harsh, but there can be no other inference to the cynical manner in which the party has decided to bifurcate Andhra Pradesh and create the new state of Telangana. This decision of the party, as everyone can see, is primarily aimed at securing some Lok Sabha seats in the Telangana region at least, since it is unable to face the challenge posed by Jaganmohan Reddy’s YSR Congress in the Andhra region. Thus, for the sake of a few Lok Sabha seats in one election, the Congress Working Committee has decided to divide a State at this juncture. This could well turn out to be a grind stone round the nation’s neck, given the rash of statehood demands that the Telangana announcement has prompted.

Already, a dozen new demands have sprung up. The Bodos and the Gorkhas have resumed their violent agitations for creation of Bodoland and Gorkhaland; Ms Mayawati has reiterated her demand for breaking up Uttar Pradesh into four States: Purvanchal, Bundelkhand, Awadh Pradesh and Paschim Pradesh; Mr Ajit Singh has once again raised the flag of Harit Pradesh; politicians of Vidharbha have suddenly re-discovered the virtues of a separate Vidharbha State; the Coorgis are clamouring for a separate State, and finally, there are political parties in Tamil Nadu who want to break up the Tamil State.

On the face of it, it looks rather innocuous — mere formation of new States within the Indian Union. But, there is every danger that all this will lead to agitations in each region of the country, unleashing centrifugal forces that the weak Manmohan Singh Government is unable to contain.

After keeping the Telangana issue on the backburner for close to 60 years, the decision of the CWC smacks of desperation and recklessness, because the timing is all wrong for the following reasons: While the creation of smaller States made sense 30 years ago, the political situation in India has changed rather dramatically in recent times leading to the splintering of the polity and the emergence of dozens of small, regional parties and unstable coalitions at the Centre. The most dangerous consequence of these developments is that it has enfeebled the Centre and made it extremely weak and vulnerable. The best example of the Centre’s loss of strength is its failure to push through the idea of an unified National Counter-Terrorism Centre. A nation like India which is the most diverse society on earth in terms of race, culture, religion, caste and language and which has 28 States and many Union Territories, needs a strong Centre to hold it together. This was the case in the first 30 years of our Republic, but as the Congress became more and more corrupt and opportunistic, regional politicians encashed on the Congress’s follies, stirred up regional sentiments and promoted smaller, denominational political entities to take on the Congress. The result is there for all of us to see now.

In 1957, the second Lok Sabha had MPs representing 12 political parties. Fifty years hence, the Lok Sabha had 42 political parties. The way things are going, we should be ready for 60 or more political parties. If the experience of the past 17 years is anything to go by, the smaller, regional parties in the coalitions that have ruled the country since 1996 have substantially hindered governance because of their incapacity to look beyond their spheres of influence. Many of them have virtually blackmailed successive Prime Ministers and got away with gross inefficiency and corruption. All this has substantially weakened the Union Government and the office of the Prime Minister. Add to this the eccentricities of Chief Ministers of a dozen more States belonging to newer political formations and you can be certain that this is a recipe for disaster.

In the 1950s, the reorganisation of States was primarily on the basis of language. The process was triggered by Potti Sriramulu, who undertook a fast unto death to press for creation of a Telugu State. This was granted soon after his death because of the large-scale violence it triggered across Andhra. Thereafter, the Nehru Government appointed the States Reorganisation Commission headed by Justice Fazal Ali.

In its report, submitted in 1955, the commission said there is much to be said for the formation of the larger State but for the present the Telangana area, known as Hyderabad State, should continue as a separate State “with provision for its unification with Andhra” after the 1961 General Election if by two-thirds majority the legislature of Hyderabad State favoured unification. The Nehru Government, however, did not accept the advice of this commission and instead created a unified Telugu State called Andhra Pradesh. Fifty-five years hence, in February, 2010, the Congress headed by Sonia Gandhi prompted the Manmohan Singh Government to constitute yet another committee to consider the Telangana issue. This committee headed by Justice BN Srikrishna, did not favour the bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh. It said Andhra Pradesh should remain united and certain definite constitutional and statutory measures must be taken for the socio-economic development and political empowerment of the Telangana region including establishment of a Telangana Regional Council.

The Srikrishna Committee was most worried about the consequences of granting Statehood to Telangana. Taking note of the demand for Gorkhaland, Bodoland, Bundelkhand etc, it said “the division of the State will also have serious implications outside Andhra Pradesh. It would not only give fillip to other similar demands but it will be for the first time, after the re-organisation of States, that a political demand for dividing a linguistically-constituted State would have been conceded by the Union Government with the creation of two Telugu-speaking States. The issue requires a most calm and dispassionate consideration of the consequences”.

As can be seen, Nehru rejected the Justice Fazal Ali Commission Report in 1955 and Ms Sonia Gandhi rejected the Justice Srikrishna Committee Report in 2013. On both occasions, the Congress has done what suited it best, with little or no consideration for the consequences of its actions for India. Will India survive the Congress’s myopia?

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 06 Aug 2013 02:14

I am told KCR is a very worried man these days.
1) He can’t Blackmail real estate to make money.
2) He can’t get money from INC, which used to pay Hafta to KCR to start or stop agitations bundhs
3) With T becoming reality he will be marginalized and has to be on top of political infighting for CMship
4) He has to hold the pack together. His son is in US and if someone can give him some treatment.....

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 06 Aug 2013 02:14

Theo_Fidel wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:There are N ways AP can be split where majority agrees unless case now where majority opposing.
Hmm! is this true. Would telangana folks agree to free redrawing of map?

He gave the answer in his post.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 06 Aug 2013 02:19

SwamyG wrote:Even during the heydays of Maharajas and Emperors, that politically united the vast land - these Monarchs had to leverage regional Rajahs and chiefs. There was the unifying cultural layer (with its own sub layers of sub cultures) that allowed people to migrate freely and cause cultural exchange. As long as people did what they were supposed to do, the Rajahs let them be; and in turn the Maharajah did not care either. One of the dharamas of the Rajah was to maintain the social order via the varnas. The lands prospered when the learned and skilled were allowed to exhibit their erudition and talent, the traders were able to trade without worrying about crime, and the farmers and other artisans went about doing their work.

In America it is called State vs Federal rights/duties/responsibilities ityadi. That is all. All vast lands with huge population have to manage themselves. If this management is smooth with less chaos then the society becomes stable and prospers. For every issue, if agitation/protests/riots erupts then the polity is either engaging in creating them or extinguishing them for their own benefit. The society suffers.

In its current modern young form, India has learned to manage democracy. The States issue will be one of the things to master. It is a learning experience, and India will arrive at what suits its interests the best.

I might have a "Aha", "Eureka", "light bulb" moment just now; little wonder why desh vaasis cared for their clan/caste more than a larger political entity is because if the state/kingdom borders were fluid and changed shapes as well as rulers, what really mattered was the availability of opportunities to do as per their dharama. If a blacksmith is forging a weapon, does it matter who he forges for? But then there is always the factor of "us" - because all people had to feel part of the Kingdom, and have love/affection for the Rajah. One always reads about the Rajahs having to please the subjects and earn their blessings and pleasure.

The earlier glue/metallic mesh was Hindu Dharma. A Bharatiya knows that he will have same Dharma anywhere in Akhand-Bharat. That is how, even an illiterate person could travel all over Akhand Bharat, doing tirtha-yatras stretching from Pasupati Natha/Kamakhya temple to kanyakumari/Rameswaram, without any issue/hesitation.

Kings/kingdoms were mere administrative structures.

This is what ShyamSP said, which Theoji did not understand. If SRC (State Reorganization Committee) like national structure was the basis for reorganization of AP, along with all other states, then this split wouldn't have been krtaghnata of INC.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Aug 2013 02:23

Are there any notes or essays on why the Nehru ogvt decided to ignore the Fazal Ali commission advice to seek 2/3 majority consent of Hyd State after 1961 elections?Why the urgency to merge the two regions less than a year after the SRC report disabusing that idea?
What reasons were given? Was the urgency the tent cities in Kurnool and Guntur?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 06 Aug 2013 02:26

KCR says Bhadrachalam should go to Telangana because Nizam gave that town to British. By this logic Seemandhra are nothing but areas Nizam ceded to British.

Perhaps we should rename entire Andhra Pradesh as Telangana and be done with it.

There was never a state called telangana for merger/de-merger. Before united Andhra Pradesh, there was Hyderabad state that included districts that went to K'taka and Maha.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 06 Aug 2013 02:37

When has congress worked for India?

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 06 Aug 2013 02:44

RamaY wrote:KCR says Bhadrachalam should go to Telangana because Nizam gave that town to British. By this logic Seemandhra are nothing but areas Nizam ceded to British.

Perhaps we should rename entire Andhra Pradesh as Telangana and be done with it.

There was never a state called telangana for merger/de-merger. Before united Andhra Pradesh, there was Hyderabad state that included districts that went to K'taka and Maha.

If they claim Bhadrachalam, which was added to Khammam after AP formed, they can claim all the catchments of Godavari is from Telangana and those Kosta people are "stealing" their water. Godavari flow is 3/5 in Telangana and 2/5 in Kosta and their stealing argument has no legal basis except for propaganda to T headless people.

Even because of Krishna river strip that flow in the South-west of Mahabubnagar whole Krishna is claimed as theirs. Except for Gadwal region, no one in T up north can properly use the Krishna except for drinking water as northern part is at very higher elevation. If Rayala-Telangana is given it would be grave injustice to other region as they can control the tap at Srisailam.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 06 Aug 2013 02:53

I think parties and public can contend this congress decision in supreme court.. is it not?

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 06 Aug 2013 04:24

ShyamSP wrote:
If they claim Bhadrachalam, which was added to Khammam after AP formed, they can claim all the catchments of Godavari is from Telangana and those Kosta people are "stealing" their water. Godavari flow is 3/5 in Telangana and 2/5 in Kosta and their stealing argument has no legal basis except for propaganda to T headless people.

Even because of Krishna river strip that flow in the South-west of Mahabubnagar whole Krishna is claimed as theirs. Except for Gadwal region, no one in T up north can properly use the Krishna except for drinking water as northern part is at very higher elevation. If Rayala-Telangana is given it would be grave injustice to other region as they can control the tap at Srisailam.

Your are being an alarmist. What ever water T uses from Krishan and Godavari will be decided by a water tribunal. The fact is Srisailam which is in Kurnool and Nagajuna Sagar in Nalgonda primarily benefit Krishna and Guntur districts. Higher areas in T and R can always be lift irrigated just as it is done now in some parts of Andhra. Godavari has excess water. Krishna does not. Even polavaram project is to divert Godavari water to augment Krishna waters. JPN of Lok Satta claims once polavaram is complete and water is diverted to Krishna, water from Nagajuna Sagar can be used for T and R. I don't have reasons to doubt him as he is one of the few honest politicians in India. But to assure T people, why not complete the schemes to benefit T from Krisha waters before or along with polavaram. And anyway why are T and R not given their fair share all these years?

If T seperates, T would be free to use its share of Krishna water, irrespective of polavaram. It has already forgone its share for the past several years.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 06 Aug 2013 04:40

So in Brihaspati ji's 90 year circle theory, was there anything significant happenings in Andhra Pradesh 90 years back + somethings happening in AP which had impact on the whole nation?

If we take 2013-14 to calculate 90 circle.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 06 Aug 2013 06:57

they should have named the State, Telangana, in 1956. the word literally means the land of Telugu speakers. the "Andhra" was a vague term and lost much of its earlier significance attached to the Satavahana era. in those times, all of the Deccan and the East and West Coasts adjacent to the Deccan was called "Andhra". but calling the Telugus ONLY Andhras was a major blunder.

should have called the whole thing Telangana and in one stroke the whole "regional tension" problem would have been neutralized. then, only the development/economic issues would have been left.

instead, an artificial identity called Andhra, and another artificial identity called Telangana confined only to 10 districts as if people outside those 10 districts don't speak Telugu, were created.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 06 Aug 2013 07:34

Devesh garu,

Neither the Andhra identity nor the Telugu identity are artificial. But I understand the gist of your post.

When people want a separate identity they are capable of creating one.

vina · Post by **vina** » 06 Aug 2013 08:21

ramana wrote:Now relate this to Bji's post on how regionalism and linguistic dogma was advanced by mullas, INC and British experts in the 1920s to reduce Bengal and Bombay Presidencies. I submit same was done with Madras also. Here only INC was involved through its Telugu faction.

Only constant in all cases was INC think tank.
Time for INC to Quit India.

Come on. Nehru was opposed to splitting Madras and set the domino rolling for linguistic states. It took the death of Potti Sriramulu and the law and order disturbances that followed in it's wake for it to happen and the telugu speaking areas of Madras went separate. It was only later they merged with Hyderabad state, despite the reservations of the Hyderabad folks on it.

vina · Post by **vina** » 06 Aug 2013 08:24

Uttarakhand maybe was different but even it has 10+ million

Uttarkhand came about because of Mandal politics. That was a state where the "Upper Castes" are in overwhelming majority and it becomes impossible to impose the Mandal politics on it. They therefore had to go separate.