UAVs, Drones, Remote Surveillance Tech

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 21 Nov 2023 20:05

ernest wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023 21:16 HVT has tweeted that the new design for CATS Warrior is significantly different from the ones shown in Aero India (and in above posts). So, we can discuss about the merits of a shelved design, but better to wait for the new design to break cover.

Can you please post the tweet? The picture in the above post came from this recently released video ---> viewtopic.php?p=2607886#p2607886

P.S. HVT Sir's twitter account is down again

ernest · Post by **ernest** » 22 Nov 2023 01:04

Rakesh wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023 20:05
Can you please post the tweet? The picture in the above post came from this recently released video ---> viewtopic.php?p=2607886#p2607886

P.S. HVT Sir's twitter account is down again

I tried searching for it on twitter, but couldn't locate it again. I have deleted my twitter account and it is no longer possible to explore without logging in.

Also, looks like he deactivated his account again like you mentioned.

Anyhow, here is a pic from Vivek Singh's handle, where HVT is pictured with a scaled prototype of CATS Warrior from May 2023.
https://twitter.com/VivekSi85847001/sta ... 2792377345

The layout looks roughly the same as the AI photo, but I feel that the wing sweep has reduced. Also from the scaled prototype, one can see the landing gear doors are occupying the same area that was used for IWBs in AI pics. So, it might be possible that the IWB was relocated to a more ventral position. Again, this might not have been the frozen design, and the full-scale might have a different configuration, and maybe IWB were left out from scaled prototype.

Also, I do not remember if HVT tweeted about the change in design for Warrior after May-2023 or before it. For all we know, some discovery during flight testing of scaled prototype might have led to changes in design. All of this is just speculation based on open information, and we'll get to know the truth only when HAL/NS releases more recent information.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 22 Nov 2023 01:15

Cool. Thank you ernest.

ernest · Post by **ernest** » 22 Nov 2023 01:22

The Defexpo-22 video shows yet another different version, which has reduced sweep and more prominent intakes.

FWIW, HVT also mentioned that there will be different versions of different sizes like Warrior 0.5 / 0.75 / 1 / 1.5, with the numbers being indicative of relative size. They might have varying IWB configurations and different payloads e.g EW, different radar/EO combinations.

In the video, around 15-20 seconds, you can notice a bigger Warrior that is partially hidden, but the wing/tail are clearly bigger than the central display version. It is tough to say, but the Warriors pictured on deck also seem to have a ventral IWB.

One thing which is clear is that SAAW and CCMs (ASRAAM?) will be the main weapons carried by different warrior versions.

added later

the full video actually shows ventral IWB deploying SAAW in the second half @ 3:00

ernest · Post by **ernest** » 24 Nov 2023 22:49

Recent video from Alpha Defence states that Parachute Technologies has emerged as L1 for Manned-Unmanned teaming demo/simulation with LCA-Navy.
New private players emerging in the UAV market.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 30 Nov 2023 20:59

May want to think about cheaper solutions and alternatives based on the recent usage and success of commercially available drones.

Crowdfunding a war: Ukraine's DIY drone-makers
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... one-makers

With little real help coming their way, the Ukrainian people have bound together to stand up to the Russian empire, in a David versus Goliath-like fight. Though a poor citizenry, Ukrainians are finding a way to crowdfund for their troops, supplying them with desperately needed body armour, weapons, machinery – and, perhaps most importantly, drones.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 02 Dec 2023 15:15

Roadrunner -- a portable reusable interceptor drone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al9ITeP4fUA

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 02 Dec 2023 16:22

sanman wrote: ↑02 Dec 2023 15:15 Roadrunner -- a portable reusable interceptor drone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al9ITeP4fUA

Reusable portable SAM?

Any idea about engagement limits?

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 04 Dec 2023 11:35

Combat Drones & The Future of Air War

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNb6qYwYyec

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 14 Dec 2023 21:42

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1735 ... 70139?s=20 ---> As per HAL:

+ The total production requirement for CATS-Warrior is approximately about 100 sets spread over a period of 5 - 6 years, after successful completion of development phase subjected to receipt of orders from customers.

+ The production will start from *2027*

https://x.com/LEZX09/status/1735184276466131062?s=20 ---> Who will be the mother ship? Tejas or TEDBF, or both?

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1735 ... 53169?s=20 ---> Tejas (Both Variants), TEDBF, Su-30MKI, AMCA etc.

MeshaVishwas · Post by **MeshaVishwas** » 15 Dec 2023 16:29

Lungi dance time!

Video shared by ANI here

https://x.com/ANI/status/1735611792586691001?s=20 ---> DRDO has successfully demonstrated the flight trial of Autonomous Flying Wing Technology Demonstrator, an indigenous high-speed flying wing UAV from the Aeronautical Test Range (ATR), Chitradurga in Karnataka. With this flight in the tailless configuration, India has joined the elite club of countries that have mastered the controls for the Flying wing configuration.

This UAV is designed and developed by DRDO’s Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE). The maiden flight of this aircraft was demonstrated in July 2022, followed by six flight trials in various developmental configurations using two in-house manufactured prototypes.

https://x.com/ANI/status/1735611941933179160?s=20 ---> The aircraft prototype with complex arrowhead wing platform is designed and manufactured with lightweight carbon prepreg composite material developed indigenously. Also, the composite structure is impregnated with fibre interrogators for health monitoring is a showcase of self-reliance (Atmanirbharta) in the Aerospace technology. As a unique capability demonstration, Autonomous landing of this high-speed UAV without the need for ground radars/infrastructure/pilot is proved, allowing take-off and landing from any runway with surveyed coordinates. This was possible using onboard sensor data fusion with indigenous satellite-based augmentation using GAGAN receivers to improve the accuracy and integrity of GPS navigation.

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Systems getting hardened thanks to ISRO too. Looks like a close study of events and lessons learnt. Jai Ho!

DRDO carries out successful flight trial of Autonomous Flying Wing Technology Demonstrator, an indigenous high-speed flying-wing UAV
https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1986788
15 Dec 2023

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 15 Dec 2023 17:46

Congratulations to the team.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 15 Dec 2023 20:43

https://x.com/GODOFPARADOXES/status/173 ... 52387?s=20 ---> DRDO SWiFT.

"composite structure is impregnated with fibre interrogators for health monitoring"

IMO this health monitoring technology will be a good stepping stone to expand in future into self healing, autonomous damage mitigation etc type capabilities for airborne platforms.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 15 Dec 2023 20:44

https://x.com/Rethik_D/status/1735666050195161282?s=20 ---> CATS Warrior! See the weapon loadout

Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 16 Dec 2023 04:13

Swift UCAV prototype during fabrication

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 Dec 2023 10:44

India tests flying-wing stealth UAV towards building unmanned strike aircraft

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 031227.cms

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 23 Dec 2023 18:46

Another one, this time nearer the indian coast... we can expect the pakis to get this capability from the chinese

Drone strikes Israel-linked ship carrying 20 Indians near Gujarat. Navy, Coast Guard rush to assist

A drone attack damaged an Israel-linked merchant ship off the coast of India on Saturday, causing a fire on board.

According to news agency ANI, the distressed vessel has around 20 Indian crew members who are all reported to be safe.

The attack occurred around 200 nautical miles southwest of Gujarat's Veraval.

The Indian Navy as well as the Indian Coast Guard vessels are moving towards the vessel, MV Chem Pluto, in the Arabian Sea.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 24 Dec 2023 14:32

India has built a high-altitude drone capable of staying aloft for days, as a pseudo-satellite:

I think these pseudo satellite drones could be more flexibly deployed than sending up another Cartosat every time we want to do a new surgical strike.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 24 Dec 2023 14:58

sanman wrote: ↑24 Dec 2023 14:32 India has built a high-altitude drone capable of staying aloft for days, as a pseudo-satellite:

[youtube]U8nESH-B1CQ[/youtube

I think these pseudo satellite drones could be more flexibly deployed than sending up another Cartosat every time we want to do a new surgical strike.

A better one is an optical or radar reconnaissance satellite in geostationary orbit.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 24 Dec 2023 14:59

Manish_P wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023 18:46 Another one, this time nearer the indian coast... we can expect the pakis to get this capability from the chinese

Drone strikes Israel-linked ship carrying 20 Indians near Gujarat. Navy, Coast Guard rush to assist

A drone attack damaged an Israel-linked merchant ship off the coast of India on Saturday, causing a fire on board.

According to news agency ANI, the distressed vessel has around 20 Indian crew members who are all reported to be safe.

The attack occurred around 200 nautical miles southwest of Gujarat's Veraval.

The Indian Navy as well as the Indian Coast Guard vessels are moving towards the vessel, MV Chem Pluto, in the Arabian Sea.

Likely a false flag operation by the Americans

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 24 Dec 2023 16:01

drnayar wrote: ↑24 Dec 2023 14:58
sanman wrote: ↑24 Dec 2023 14:32 India has built a high-altitude drone capable of staying aloft for days, as a pseudo-satellite:

[youtube]U8nESH-B1CQ[/youtube

I think these pseudo satellite drones could be more flexibly deployed than sending up another Cartosat every time we want to do a new surgical strike.
A better one is an optical or radar reconnaissance satellite in geostationary orbit.

Geostationary is far away, and thus smaller resolution. Good orbit for communications, but not for Earth observation.

Or what about on a future Venus mission (Shukrayaan-2?) we send something like this high-altitude drone to fly through the cool upper atmosphere of the very hot Venus.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 28 Dec 2023 12:01

Huh ?

Anantha Krishna on X : #Update

As per reliable govt sources, the #Rustom2 #R2 #TAPAS programme has been closed in Mission Mode as it fell short of the PSQR set by users. However, sources confirm that the govt has given the go-ahead for the development of this MALE UAV project under separate DRDO funds. ADE has been told to meet the main specs set by the users -- endurance of 24 hours and altitude of 30,000 feet. ADE must get back after achieving these two targets. Best wishes to Team R2 and hope they would bounce back soon.

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Dec 2023 14:37

Wow!

End of the dream of seeing a desi reaper.
ADE really does need a revamp and now I wonder the “real” status of the Nirbhay as no news doesn’t seem to mean good news in some instances

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 28 Dec 2023 15:49

https://raksha-anirveda.com/drdos-ade-a ... june-2024/
Archer-NG. First flight in 2024.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 04 Jan 2024 12:05

bala · Post by **bala** » 04 Jan 2024 23:13

Indias Attack Drone I India Makes Flying Wing Drone I Ghatak I Air Marshal GS Bedi

// a discussion on Ghatak and stealth features for a flying wing. IIT Mumbai and IIT Kanpur are involved in the design. Engine is kaveri for full production which is yet to be demonstrated.
// India's ab initio development in flight control laws (after sanctions of 98 nuke test) has paid of handsomely. The Ghatak's flight control requires even more fine control by computer since it is tailess in design. Mastering flight takeoff and landing autonomously is no small feat. Kudos to DRDO.

ashthor · Post by **ashthor** » 06 Jan 2024 11:23

Cant a few Tapas be handed over to BSF, ITBP and CRPF for anti naxal and border operations and also the Coast Guard. I am sure they
will do wonders with it and we can also recover the R&D cost and perhaps do better in Mk2.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 06 Jan 2024 11:36

Tapas has roles, in disaster management roles and remote sensing operations as well.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 06 Jan 2024 13:35

https://twitter.com/IndiaToday/status/1 ... 8178873785

Summary below:

AnanthKrishnan:
- Tapas Project is now internal to DRDO. They will need to fund it themselves
- Not a mission mode project
- Armed Forces not interested
- Did not meet PSQR requirements

Angad Singh:
- Project not in mission mode is a good thing. Good project management
- Opinion: Airframe was overweight leading to altitude limitations. Issues with Data links.
- Existing drones perform better on endurance and altitude. Good call on cancelling program

AnanthKrishnan:
- Focus now on Archer NG
- Better specs and grounds up armed capability design
- Focus should be more on surveillance
- To fly in Q1/2024
- ARmed forces interested as its a complete weapons system. It is better than Heron
- Bigger picture :

Angad Singh:
- 2 things ailing our drones: Only ADE in Drone development. Why ADA, HAL not part of drone programmes. Second: new technology like Drones is new. Aircraft have iterative development. Not the case with drones. We missed the bus

Shiv:
Too many players in drones. Why is BEL developing drones? Waste of resources

AnanthKrishnan:
- Tried to do too many things with Tapas.
- All govt entities, private entities should come together and come with clear PSQR. Panchi closed. Nishant Closed. Rustom Closed.

Shiv:
- Govt needs to step in.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 06 Jan 2024 18:25

Neela wrote: ↑06 Jan 2024 13:35
Angad Singh:
- Project not in mission mode is a good thing. Good project management
- Opinion: Airframe was overweight leading to altitude limitations. Issues with Data links.
- Existing drones perform better on endurance and altitude. Good call on cancelling program

Which existing drones? the imported ones?

Neela wrote: ↑06 Jan 2024 13:35 Angad Singh:
- 2 things ailing our drones: Only ADE in Drone development. Why ADA, HAL not part of drone programmes. Second: new technology like Drones is new. Aircraft have iterative development. Not the case with drones. We missed the bus

What?

Oh yea. Tell that to the americans... they made a big mistake by starting with the MQ-1 Predator and then developing it into the MQ-9 Reaper

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 10 Jan 2024 12:32

Manish_P wrote: ↑06 Jan 2024 18:25 Which existing drones? the imported ones?

Yes, seems to hint at Israeli and MQ from Navy.

What gives then? I sound like a CT-ist but how can you have a 10/12 year program where the specs are more or less evident and yet the forces arent budging on requirements. Why not onboard, use, feedback, iterate, improve , add features. That is AtmaNirbhar commitment. Repeatedly, we are seeing an incremental development approach being abandoned .

I will just say that we cannot ignore the Israeli "influence".

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 10 Jan 2024 13:39

https://twitter.com/Aryan_warlord/statu ... 9614345682

Spoke to the
@AdaniOnline
#drones team at #droneshakti on the Dhristi-10 . Yes it's a rebadged
@ElbitSystemsLtd
Hermes-10 that said this is what they told me .
1) The Fuselage & entire aerostructure is completely made in India from scratch . The landing gear & almost all mechanicals as well .
2) SATCOM & GPS units on board are Indigenous as well & can communicate with our satellites & the IRNSS constellation.
3) EO systems being indigenised with help of other Indian firms .
4) Engine remains an import but indigenisation of parts started

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 10 Jan 2024 16:25

Neela wrote: ↑10 Jan 2024 13:39 https://twitter.com/Aryan_warlord/statu ... 9614345682

Spoke to the
@AdaniOnline
#drones team at #droneshakti on the Dhristi-10 . Yes it's a rebadged
@ElbitSystemsLtd
Hermes-10 that said this is what they told me .
1) The Fuselage & entire aerostructure is completely made in India from scratch . The landing gear & almost all mechanicals as well .
2) SATCOM & GPS units on board are Indigenous as well & can communicate with our satellites & the IRNSS constellation.
3) EO systems being indigenised with help of other Indian firms .
4) Engine remains an import but indigenisation of parts started

https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1745020072769540192?s=20 - 4 units of Hermes 900 were ordered in March 2023.2 Units each for
navy and army.Elbit delivered 4 SKDs (semi knocked down kits) to Adani Defence. These were partially assembled in Hyderabad.Even the tools for assembly came with the kit. How do you wrap your head around the blatant lie by DG AAC calling it 70% indigenised ?

https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1744957285217259909?s=20 - Elbit Hermes 900 rebadged as Drishti 10 Starliner.This is why certain quarters wants
DRDO out of their way. There is a lot of money to be made in import , assembly and stickering without spending a dime on R&D. This sets a very wrong precedent and will open the floodgates for imports disguised as MakeInIndia. Very unfair to 100s of defence and space SMEs who are working their ass off trying to create complex products indigenously with own IP.

https://x.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/17449 ... 42243?s=20 - Our version of "indigenous" JF17s.

https://x.com/Rishabh70366120/status/17 ... 87733?s=20 - This is what Tapas was killed for and the potential fate of every indigenous drone program.. Only if professional Adani haters could take up right issues..

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 10 Jan 2024 18:07

https://x.com/ANI/status/1745003528039616957?s=20 - On Drishti 10 Starliner drones manufactured by Adani Defence, LT Gen Ajay Kumar Suri, DG, Indian Army Aviation says "Initially, we have ordered two Drishti 10s and we are looking at a time span of 2-3 months when they will be delivered. It will improve the surveillance capabilities of the Indian Army. It is indigenised, almost 70% of it is indigenised..."

https://x.com/KSingh_1469/status/174503 ... 77096?s=20 - That Indian military officers are going around promoting these things as indigenous is disgusting . AtmanirbharBharat never stood a chance with these shameless low lifes running the show.

https://x.com/ndtv/status/1744972473853222945?s=20 - Adani Defence develops India's first indigenously manufactured Drishti 10 'Starliner' Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) for the Navy. @umasudhir with more details.

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1744 ... 53305?s=20 - Licenced Manufacturing NOT Development.

https://x.com/KSingh_1469/status/174498 ... 38965?s=20 - This ‘make in india’ obfuscation is intentional . To the average person they’ll not be able to differentiate the industrial benefits between re-badging imported toys and indigenous development . Waiting for the MQ9B to be ‘make in India’ after screwing together some parts locally.

https://x.com/KSingh_1469/status/174498 ... 36856?s=20 - This deal was processed very very quickly thanks to ‘emergency funds’. Meanwhile IDDM projects sit for years without even a look . As I’ve said again and again- this is all by design. Whatever they have to do keep their foreign paymasters happy they’ll do.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 11 Jan 2024 06:56

Ghatak UCAV’s 1st Director Raises Concerns Over Program’s Path
https://www.livefistdefence.com/ghatak- ... rams-path/
10 Jan 2024

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 11 Jan 2024 11:49

Rony wrote: ↑10 Jan 2024 16:25
Neela wrote: ↑10 Jan 2024 13:39 https://twitter.com/Aryan_warlord/statu ... 9614345682

https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1745020072769540192?s=20 - 4 units of Hermes 900 were ordered in March 2023.2 Units each for
navy and army.Elbit delivered 4 SKDs (semi knocked down kits) to Adani Defence. These were partially assembled in Hyderabad.Even the tools for assembly came with the kit. How do you wrap your head around the blatant lie by DG AAC calling it 70% indigenised ?

https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1744957285217259909?s=20 - Elbit Hermes 900 rebadged as Drishti 10 Starliner.This is why certain quarters wants
DRDO out of their way. There is a lot of money to be made in import , assembly and stickering without spending a dime on R&D. This sets a very wrong precedent and will open the floodgates for imports disguised as MakeInIndia. Very unfair to 100s of defence and space SMEs who are working their ass off trying to create complex products indigenously with own IP.

https://x.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/17449 ... 42243?s=20 - Our version of "indigenous" JF17s.

https://x.com/Rishabh70366120/status/17 ... 87733?s=20 - This is what Tapas was killed for and the potential fate of every indigenous drone program.. Only if professional Adani haters could take up right issues..

Couldnt find the link anymore but this is how the system is being gamed.

LRU1 bought by company A in India
Company B in India buys LRU1 and re-badged as "Made in India". Company B sells to OEM and goes into % indigenized part of whole system.

Terrible state of affairs not because of anything else but because NO Business is going to invest in R&D when such shortcuts are available.

But then again, one could also ask Indian companies why they arent roping in retired forces personnel for lobbying or playing the system against the import-pasand folk.

When you have a murder of crows in a tree, you just have to shoot one to ward of the rest. We need a few ex-forces lobbyist to be hung dry, ED unleashed, sleazy stuff exposed for the rest of the them to take cover.
Hoping a 2024 mandate helps in stiffening up the cojones.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 11 Jan 2024 18:30

Neela wrote: ↑11 Jan 2024 11:49
Rony wrote: ↑10 Jan 2024 16:25

https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1745020072769540192?s=20 - 4 units of Hermes 900 were ordered in March 2023.2 Units each for
navy and army.Elbit delivered 4 SKDs (semi knocked down kits) to Adani Defence. These were partially assembled in Hyderabad.Even the tools for assembly came with the kit. How do you wrap your head around the blatant lie by DG AAC calling it 70% indigenised ?

https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1744957285217259909?s=20 - Elbit Hermes 900 rebadged as Drishti 10 Starliner.This is why certain quarters wants
DRDO out of their way. There is a lot of money to be made in import , assembly and stickering without spending a dime on R&D. This sets a very wrong precedent and will open the floodgates for imports disguised as MakeInIndia. Very unfair to 100s of defence and space SMEs who are working their ass off trying to create complex products indigenously with own IP.

https://x.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/17449 ... 42243?s=20 - Our version of "indigenous" JF17s.

https://x.com/Rishabh70366120/status/17 ... 87733?s=20 - This is what Tapas was killed for and the potential fate of every indigenous drone program.. Only if professional Adani haters could take up right issues..
Couldnt find the link anymore but this is how the system is being gamed.

LRU1 bought by company A in India
Company B in India buys LRU1 and re-badged as "Made in India". Company B sells to OEM and goes into % indigenized part of whole system.

Terrible state of affairs not because of anything else but because NO Business is going to invest in R&D when such shortcuts are available.

But then again, one could also ask Indian companies why they arent roping in retired forces personnel for lobbying or playing the system against the import-pasand folk.

When you have a murder of crows in a tree, you just have to shoot one to ward of the rest. We need a few ex-forces lobbyist to be hung dry, ED unleashed, sleazy stuff exposed for the rest of the them to take cover.
Hoping a 2024 mandate helps in stiffening up the cojones.

https://x.com/DileepKumarS196/status/17 ... 24066?s=20 - Incoherent rant on R&D, Screwdrivergiri, ToT and Defence purchase. It's all the money honey! I get money at 12-14% interest rate, so I need to get returns more than that na? Let us take a case study.

I bid for nav ctrlr for Photon Torpedo MK2.
The estimate is like this:
R&D NRE Spend: 220 Star Credits (SC),
Qual/Cert: 60 SC,
Prodn Setup: 10 SC,
Unit Cost: 25 SC for 1-5pcs, 23 SC for 5-10pcs, 22 SC for 10pcs and above.
No margins included.

So, I spend 290 SC in 2 years. I project to get 8 pcs per year order from year 6 onwards, when SSE MK2 gets inducted.

If all goes well, and the system gets inducted on schedule, I will have to price them at 45 SC to break even and recover the investment in 10 years.

And I did not consider the time and cost associated with things like
'I forgot to add this in spec',
'RCMA demands this',
'I want it to turn 90 degrees at Warp 3.0',
'I want test at Jupitar gravity',
'Review person is on leave'
'We can't give extension w/o LD'
etc etc.

Now, the Firangis are selling the units at 20 SCs, because they sell to all systems in the quadrant. So, the budget set by DRDO for development project for 4 units is 150 SC only, and expect product price less than 20SC, since yaknow, "indigenous development"

Also, DRDO got a skewed view of manpower cost, because it either does not figure in the numbers, or is under estimated to get the project somehow passed. Each reviewer try to cut the time and money, and the net result is totally unrealistic.

If I get screwdrivergiri from Firangis, I spend only like 100 SC including everything and the thing is available TODAY. No scope creep. No change in spec. No moon trials. Nothing. I can price it at 30SC, and still supply 4 units quickly and make profit.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 14 Jan 2024 10:31

Explained beautifully.

It's amazing that so many highly educated people in India are unable to understand this.

csaurabh · Post by **csaurabh** » 16 Jan 2024 18:33

Pratyush wrote: ↑14 Jan 2024 10:31 Explained beautifully.

It's amazing that so many highly educated people in India are unable to understand this.

Well to be honest, 'educated' or otherwise, most people simply don't know the circus of the public procurement system. I myself didn't until I became part of it. The other major problem is that people are simply unaware of the high cost of R&D. To get the benefit of R&D, the product has to be procured in large numbers otherwise its not financially feasible. We cannot throw a few pennies and then not induct anything and then expect world class results.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 20 Jan 2024 17:13

UK develops anti-drone laser: