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SSridhar wrote:

BTW, I have so far not seen any mention in TSP newspapers about the verdict.
Trust YAWN to put its own spin.
http://yawn.com/2013/02/19/india-can-di ... -tribunal/
ISLAMABAD: In a partial award announced in the Kishanganga dispute, the Hague-based Court of Arbitration allowed India on Monday to divert only a minimum flow of water from Neelum/Kishanganga River for power generation.

The Indian government had sought full diversion of the river water, but the court determined that India was under an obligation to construct and operate the Kishanganga Hydroelectric Plant (HEP) in such a way as to maintain a minimum flow of water in the river at a rate to be determined by the court in its final award.

A copy of the judgment available with Dawn shows that the final award will be announced in December this year. The court asked India and Pakistan to provide data by June so that it could determine the minimum flow of water.
Yet one crucial point is conceded
The court’s partial decision is clear in this regard that it permits India to divert water for power generation but will determine limits and parameters of the diversion. The court will define a minimum flow regime and thus India will be unable to divert permanently complete winter flows over a period of six to eight months in a year.
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Theo_Fidel wrote:Sridhar,

Does this mean the provisional stay on construction of the dam/riverbed works has been fully lifted.
Yes. It means that India can now continue its construction of KHEP. Except for determining two things

1. How much diversion to be allowed. India has to give Environmental flow data.
2. Method and technique of flushing river bed.

Final determination of Award is to come by Dec 2013 and India has to give data by June 2013.
By this , interim award it has injected it self into the proceedings for a further period till Dec 2013 whereas they should have given final award.

Pakistan has lost on the count that Diversion was violation of IWT in KHEP.
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arun wrote:The problem with the PCA’s judgement is that it has overturned what was said in Baglihar case and has set up another round of arbitration as you can bet any method of sedimentation control used by India will now be challenged by the Islamic Republic.
COA and NE are not in any Judicial hierarchy. COA Award is only for KHEP. India will find solution to Flushing. For next DAM India can take the case directly to COA/NE even before Pakis raise it. With Pakis nothing would ever be settled.
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chaanakya wrote:With Pakis nothing would ever be settled.
Agree.
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Without draw down flushing, the Indian dams will have low efficiency, costly and short lives. This may not be a happy verdict for India. This will be Salal dam all over again.
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One quick question for the gurus -

Isn't the 'IWT a model treaty that has withstood thru three wars' nonsense because of the fact that thus far we were letting the Pakis have what was their share as well as what was ours? It was only in the 90s that we finally had the economic means to harness our fair share & it was then that the 'Paani Khatre Mein Hai' nonsense started.

Maybe it is a successful treaty precisely because it has not yet been pushed to the limit? Any comments?
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Kancha, you are partly true in the sense that our exploitation of our share started much later and the flood gates (pun intended) were opened when our economic mite improved. But, Salal project was in the 70s and even then Pakistan objected violently. The Tulbul navigation project was around the same time and Pakistan has never allowed that. The pathologically hateful and inimical Pakistanis will object to anything, everything , anytime and everytime. The IWT doesn't need to be pushed to the limit for Pakistan to react violently against us; even if we were sitting idly by, Pakistan would have found some excuse to accuse us of violating the provisions of the IWT. That is their immutable DNA.

The success of the agreement (so far and in the future) would be because of the upper riparian state, India and India only. Pakistan realizes that a scrupulous India never violates bilateral and international treaties and conventions. But, it has to maintain the hatred for India among its masses and jihadists; it has to show India in poor light to the world community etc.
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Can we use the sediment

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This sediment when deposited at river mouths becomes fertile delta. Cannot we use this sediment by building a diversion canal at dam bottom that takes sediment away from dam that we can collect and transport to form fertile fields or as building material depending on grade. I know river beds being dug up to steal sand. I know transportation cost is issue but am not familiar with any ROI analysis.

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Chanakya,

Thanx for that clarification.
It does appear the dam may need a redesign now. Which will cause further delays.

Yes, the draw down flushing appears to be critical, other wise we will have to build a stilling pool and
will be in the uncomfortable position of not being able to do anything to flood material which is when most debris gets into the dead storage.
Dredging does not seem to be viable.

Enough for TSP to declare victory. AoA….

Still the treaty is an abomination and at some point must go…
Horribly one sided treaties have a way of doing that.
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The real kujli will come when we start putting up storage dams for flood control and power generation and also divert water for irrigation. Domestic use is unlimited as well. The treaty allows us many MAF of water yearly for this purpose.

The real answer is to build power generation storage reservoirs at the top which will allow us to control output from all the down stream dams.
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While I don't disagree that TSP is congenitally filled with hatred there is very much a logic to what they do beyond just hatred. Often times by resorting to reflexive dismissal we miss this.

For instance I have always thought that their main aim in this case was to prevent the Kishan Ganga project from finishing first. This will allow them to claim the weak logic of having a prior claim on the waters. Now we know per the treaty this is not correct but it will give them another talking point they can use to extract some concession from India later.

Ultimately it is all about money and the business interests of their military, which of course makes their violent and murderous tendencies all the more demented but not insane. They kill innocents in the name of fund raising. They hold a gun to their own head to extract more concessions...
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If Pakistan is dismembered, the Treaty would go on its own accord. Sindh can receive its share through a canal passing through India.
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Not to state the obvious, but Pakistan was dismembered and the treaty survived.

The treaty appears to be with TSP Punjab....
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Here is the full text of Partial Award.
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Award if 252 page long. I am quoting decision part.


V. DECISION
Having considered the Parties’ written and oral submissions, the Court of Arbitration unanimously
decides:
A. In relation to the First Dispute,
(1) The Kishenganga Hydro-Electric Project, as described to the Court by India, constitutes a Run-of-River Plant for the purpose of Paragraph 15 of Annexure D to the Indus Waters Treaty, and in particular sub-paragraph (iii) thereof.

(2) India may accordingly divert water from the Kishenganga/Neelum River for power generation by the Kishenganga Hydro-Electric Plant and may deliver the water released below the power station into the Bonar Nallah.

(3) India is however under an obligation to construct and operate the Kishenganga Hydro-Electric Plant in such a way as to maintain a minimum flow of water in the Kishenganga/Neelum River, at a rate to be determined by the Court in a Final Award.

B. In relation to the Second Dispute,

(1) Except in the case of an unforeseen emergency, the Treaty does not permit reduction below Dead Storage Level of the water level in the reservoirs of Run-of-River Plants on the Western Rivers.

(2) The accumulation of sediment in the reservoir of a Run-of-River Plant on the Western Rivers does not constitute an unforeseen emergency that would permit the depletion of the reservoir below Dead Storage Level for drawdown flushing purposes.

(3) Accordingly, India may not employ drawdown flushing at the reservoir of the Kishenganga Hydro-Electric Plant to an extent that would entail depletion of the reservoir below Dead Storage Level.

(4) Paragraphs B(1) and B(2) above do not apply to Run-of-River Plants that are in operation on the date of issuance of this Partial Award. Likewise, Paragraphs B(1) and B(2) do not apply to Run-of-River Plants already under onstruction on the date of issuance of this Partial Award, the design of which, having been duly communicated by India under the provisions of Annexure D, had not been objected to by Pakistan as provided for in Annexure D.

C. This Partial Award imposes no further restrictions on the construction and operation of the Kishenganga Hydro-Electric Plant, which remain subject to the provisions of the Treaty as interpreted in this Partial Award.

D. To enable the Court to determine the minimum flow of water in the Kishenganga/Neelum River referred to in paragraph A(3) above, the Parties are required to submit to the Court the information specified in paragraphs 458 to 462 within the time periods set out in paragraph 463 of this Partial Award.

E. The interim measures indicated by the Court in its 23 September 2011 Order on the Interim Measures Application of Pakistan dated June 6, 2011 are hereby lifted.

F. The costs of the proceedings to be awarded by the Court pursuant to Paragraph 26 of Annexure G to the Treaty shall be determined in the Court’s Final Award
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Press Release by COA

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Court of Arbitration Issues Partial Award
in First Arbitration under the Indus Waters Treaty 1960
THE HAGUE, February 19, 2013.

The Court of Arbitration constituted in the matter of the Indus Waters Kishenganga Arbitration (Pakistan v. India) has rendered a Partial Award in respect of the dispute between Pakistan and India under the Indus Waters Treaty concerning (1) the legality of the construction and operation of an Indian hydro-electric project located in India-administered Jammu and Kashmir; and (2) the permissibility under the Treaty of the depletion of the reservoirs of certain Indian hydro-electric plants below “Dead Storage Level.”
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In its Partial Award, which is final with respect to the matters decided therein, without appeal and binding on the Parties, the Court of Arbitration unanimously decided:

1. that the Kishenganga Hydro-Electric Project (KHEP) constitutes a Run-of-River Plant under the Treaty, and India may accordingly divert water from the Kishenganga/Neelum River for power generation by the KHEP in the manner envisaged.

However, when operating the KHEP, India is under an obligation to maintain a minimum flow of water in the Kishenganga/Neelum River, at a rate to be determined by the Court in a Final Award.

2. Except in the case of an unforeseen emergency, the Treaty does not permit India’s reduction below “Dead Storage Level” of the water level in the reservoirs of Run-of-River Plants located on the rivers allocated to Pakistan under the Treaty. This ruling does not apply to Plants already in operation or under construction (whose designs have been communicated by India and not objected to by Pakistan) The Court expects to be able to render its Final Award determining the minimum flow of water India would be required to release in the Kishenganga/Neelum River by the end of 2013.

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The Indus Waters Treaty is an international agreement signed by India and Pakistan in 1960 that regulates the use by the two States of the waters of the Indus system of rivers. Pakistan instituted arbitral proceedings against India in 2010, requesting that a court of arbitration determine the permissibility under the Treaty of a hydro-electric project (the Kishenganga Hydro-Electric Project, or KHEP) currently under construction by India on the Kishenganga/Neelum River, a tributary of the Jhelum River. The KHEP is designed to generate power by diverting water from a dam site on the Kishenganga/Neelum (within the Gurez valley, an area of higher elevation) to the Bonar Nallah, another tributary of the Jhelum (lower in elevation and closely located to Wular Lake) through a system of tunnels, with the water powering turbines having a capacity of 330 megawatts.
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As defined in the Treaty, “dead storage” is “that portion of storage which is not used for operational purposes.”
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Pakistan challenges, in particular, the permissibility of the planned diversion by the KHEP of the waters of the kishenganga/Neelum into the Bonar Nallah, arguing that this inter-tributary transfer will adversely affect the operation of a hydro-electric project—the Neelum-Jhelum Hydro-Electric Project or NJHEP—being built by Pakistan on the Kishenganga/Neelum downstream of the KHEP (the “First Dispute”). The transfer of water contemplated by India may be represented graphically as in the attached diagram (Annex A). Pakistan has also requested that the Court determine whether the Treaty permits India to deplete or bring the reservoir level of “run-of-river” hydro-electric plants below a level identified as “Dead Storage Level” in the Treaty (the “Second Dispute”). Pakistan submits that
that such reservoir depletion would give India impermissibly broad control over the flow of the river waters allocated to Pakistan under the Treaty. For its part, India had stated its intent to use such reservoir depletion to flush sediment out of the KHEP’s reservoir. India maintains that both the design and planned mode of operation of the KHEP are fully in conformity with the Treaty
In its analysis, the Court emphasized at the outset that its Partial Award, just as the Indus Waters Treaty itself, does not have any bearing on any territorial claims or rights of the Parties over Jammu and Kashmir. The Court’s findings pertain solely to the Parties’ rights and obligations with respect to the use of the waters of the Indus system of rivers, including with respect to the use of the waters of those portions of the rivers that flow through disputed territory.

THE FIRST DISPUTE

1. The Permissibility of Inter-Tributary Transfers under the Treaty In the First Dispute, the Court was called upon to determine whether India is permitted under the Treaty to deliver the waters of the Kishenganga/Neelum River into the Bonar Nallah in the course of the operation of the KHEP.

As an initial matter, the Court observed that the Treaty expressly permits the transfer of water by India from one tributary of the Jhelum to another for the purpose of generating hydro-electric power, subject to certain conditions. The Court first found that this right is not circumscribed by the Treaty’s restriction of Indian uses on the Western Rivers (which include the Kishenganga/Neelum as a tributary of the Jhelum) to the drainage basin of those rivers. This restriction relates to where water may be used, and is not violated by the use outside of the drainage basin of electricity generated from the water. The Court then examined the Treaty provision requiring the Parties to maintain the natural channels of the rivers and its effect on inter-tributary transfers. The Court found that this obligation
involves maintaining the river channels’ physical capacity to carry water, and does not require maintaining the timing or volume of the flow in the river. Accordingly, this obligation does not limit India’s right to transfer water for the purpose of generating hydro-electricity.

Having established that India’s right to inter-tributary transfer is not prohibited by other provisions of the Treaty, the Court considered whether the KHEP meets the express conditions on such transfer.

The Court noted that for transfer to be permissible, the KHEP must (1) be a “Run-of-River Plant”; (2) be located on a tributary of the Jhelum; and (3) conform to Paragraph 15(iii) of the Treaty Annexure governing hydro-electric power generation
. The Court observed that a “Run-of-River Plant” is a term of art defined by the Treaty and that the KHEP is a Run-of-River Plant within that definition. The Court further decided that on the facts of the case the KHEP should be regarded as located on the Kishenganga/Neelum notwithstanding that the KHEP’s power house is situated at a distance of 23 kilometres from that river. The Court also found that, by releasing water into the Bonar Nallah after it has passed through the power house, the KHEP complies with the requirement that the “water released below the Plant” be delivered “into another Tributary.” Finally, the Court found that the KHEP’s inter-tributary transfer is “necessary,” as required by the Treaty, for the generation of hydro-electric power, as power can be generated on the scale contemplated by India in this location only by using the 665 metre difference in elevation between the dam site on the Kishenganga/Neelum and the place where the water is released into the Bonar Nallah.

2 The Interpretation of the Treaty with Respect to “then existing Agricultural Use or hydro-electric use by Pakistan”

In addition to the requirements described above, the Court recognized that Paragraph 15(iii) requires that “then existing Agricultural Use or hydro-electric use by Pakistan” on the downstream reaches of the Kishenganga/Neelum not be adversely affected by the KHEP’s inter-tributary transfer. Pakistan argued that “then existing” uses are to be determined on an ongoing basis, whenever water is transferred from one tributary to another. India, in contrast, argued that such uses must be determined at a fixed point during the design of its hydro-electric project.

In seeking to establish when a “then existing” agricultural or hydro-electric use is to be determined, the Court was guided in the interpretation of the Treaty by Article 31(1) of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties: “[a] treaty shall be interpreted in good faith and in accordance with the ordinary meaning to be given to the terms of the treaty in their context and in light of its object and purpose.”

The Court first examined the text of Paragraph 15(iii), noting the provision’s focus on the operation of hydro-electric plants and the implication that the determination of “then existing” uses should take place on an ongoing basis throughout the operational life of a plant. The Court then considered the context of Paragraph 15(iii) and noted that the provision falls within a continuum of design, construction and operation. The Court observed that the provisions of the Treaty must be interpreted in a mutually reinforcing fashion, as it would make little sense for the Treaty to permit a plant to be designed and built in a certain manner, but then to prohibit the operation of that plant in the very manner for which it was designed. Finally, the Court examined the object and purpose of the Treaty and found that the Treaty both gives Pakistan priority in the use of the waters of the Western Rivers (including the Kishenganga/Neelum) and India a right to generate hydro-electric power on the Western Rivers.

Turning to the application of the Treaty to the KHEP, the Court first considered the implications of the approaches advocated by the Parties. The Court observed that under the “ambulatory” approach advocated by Pakistan, a project’s design could be cleared for construction as being consistent with the design specifications of the Treaty, but then be prevented from operating by new uses by Pakistan.

In the Court’s view, the uncertainty created by this approach, and the potential for wastage, would have a chilling effect on the undertaking of any hydro-electric projects by India on the Western Rivers. With respect to the approach advocated by India, under which Pakistan’s uses would be determined at the moment that India communicates a “firm intention” to proceed with a project, the Court observed that identifying a critical date will often be difficult, but that it may be possible to identify a “critical period” in which design, tenders, financing, public consultations, environmental assessments, governmental approvals and construction come together to indicate a firm intention to proceed with a project. Nevertheless, the Court noted that a solely “critical period” approach could result in a “race” in which each Party would seek to create uses that would freeze out future uses by the other, an outcome the Court rejected.

Having considered the approaches advocated by the Parties, the Court concluded that neither the ambulatory nor the critical period approach were fully satisfactory and that the proper interpretation of the Treaty combines elements of both. The Court considered that it must first establish for each of the KHEP and the NJHEP the critical period in which the Parties not only planned the projects, but took concrete steps toward their realization. Reviewing the evidence provided by the Parties, the Court concluded that the KHEP reached this period in 2004–2006. In contrast, the Court found that Pakistan demonstrated a comparable commitment to the NJHEP in 2007 and 2008. Given this timing,
the Court decided that India’s right to divert the waters of the Kishenganga/Neelum by the KHEP is protected by the Treaty.


However, the Court also decided that India’s right to divert the Kishenganga/Neelum is not absolute—it is subject to the constraints specified in the Treaty and, in addition, by the relevant principles of customary international law. Paragraph 15(iii) gives rise to India’s right to construct and operate hydro-electric projects involving inter-tributary transfers, but also obliges India to operate those projects in such a way as to avoid adversely affecting Pakistan’s then existing agricultural and hydro-electric uses. Both Parties’ entitlements under the Treaty must be made effective so far as possible. The Court therefore found that Pakistan retains the right to receive a minimum flow of water :evil: from India in the Kishenganga/Neelum riverbed at all times. The Court noted that this right also stems from customary international environmental law, and that it considered that the Treaty must be applied in light of contemporary international environmental law principles.

In this context, the Court recalled the commitment made by India’s Agent in the course of the hearing that India would ensure a minimum environmental flow downstream of the KHEP at all times.


3. The Court’s Request for Further Data

Having concluded that the Treaty requires the preservation of a minimum flow of water downstream of the KHEP, the Court determined that the data provided by the Parties are insufficient to allow it to decide the precise amount of flow to be preserved.

The Court therefore deferred its determination of the appropriate minimum flow to a Final Award,
and requested the Parties to provide additional data concerning the impacts of a range of minimum flows at the KHEP dam on, (for India), (a) power generation at the KHEP; and (b) environmental concerns from the dam site at Gurez to the Line of Control; and, (for Pakistan), (a) power generation at the NJHEP; (b) agricultural uses of water downstream of the Line of Control to Nauseri; and (c) environmental concerns at and downstream of the Line of Control to Nauseri
THE SECOND DISPUTE

1. The Admissibility of the Dispute over the Depletion of Reservoirs below “Dead Storage Level”


Insofar as India had raised two objections to the admissibility of the Second Dispute, the Court considered, first,

whether Pakistan had followed the Treaty procedure for the submission of disputes to the Court; and second,

whether the Second Dispute, given its subject-matter, could properly be heard by the Court. With respect to the first question, the Court observed that the Treaty provides for disagreements between the Parties to be resolved either by a seven-member court of arbitration or by a single, highly-qualified engineer, acting as a neutral expert. The Court concluded that the neutral expert process is given priority only if one or the other Party has in fact requested the appointment of a neutral expert. In the present case, neither Party made such a request and the Court was therefore not precluded from hearing the Second Dispute.

With respect to the second question, the Court found that although the Treaty specifies the technical matters that may be referred to a neutral expert, it does not give the neutral expert exclusive competence over these listed matters. Once constituted, a court of arbitration is empowered to consider any question arising out of the Treaty, including technical questions. Having rejected both objections, the Court found that the Second Dispute is admissible.

2. The Permissibility of the Depletion of Reservoirs for Drawdown Flushing

In approaching the merits of the second dispute, the Court observed that the question of reservoir depletion is linked in the Parties’ disagreement with the permissibility of controlling sediment through the procedure of drawing down the reservoir and flushing accumulated sediment downstream. The Court briefly reviewed the process of sedimentation in the reservoirs of hydro-electric plants and the various techniques available for sediment control, including drawdown flushing.

The Court then examined three aspects of the context of the Treaty with respect to drawdown flushing.

First, the Court observed that one of the primary objectives of the Treaty was to limit the storage of water by India on the Western Rivers and that the Treaty includes strict restrictions on the volume of storage permitted to India. The Court noted that in contrast, the volume of Dead Storage is not controlled, suggesting that such storage was not intended to be subject to manipulation.

Second, the Court noted that the Treaty includes design restrictions on the low-level outlets that would be required to deplete a reservoir and that these restrictions make sense only if depletion is also restricted.

Third, the Court recalled that the Treaty drafters intended for India to have the right to generate hydro-electric power on the Western Rivers, and noted that this right must be given effect by allowing India’s hydro-electric development to be sustainable.

Reading the provisions of the Treaty in light of these contextual aspects, the Court concluded that the Treaty prohibits depletion below Dead Storage Level of the reservoirs of Run-of River Plants (and, correspondingly, drawdown flushing) through reference to a provision of the Treaty Annexure dedicated to storage works, which states that “the Dead Storage shall not be depleted except in an unforeseen emergency.” The Court also noted that the Treaty includes restrictions on the permissible variation in the volume of flow in a river above and below a hydro-electric plant, and that these restrictions may also be incompatible with drawdown flushing in certain reservoirs and in certain flow conditions.

To complete its analysis, the Court examined whether the sustainable generation of hydro-electric power on the Western Rivers is possible without drawdown flushing. After reviewing the technical documentation submitted by the Parties and the testimony of the experts presented by them, the Court observed that drawdown flushing is only one means of sediment control and concluded that hydro-electricity may be generated without flushing.

Finally, insofar as certain hydro-electric plants are under construction or have been completed by India, the Court stated that its decision on the Second Dispute may not be so interpreted as to cast doubt retrospectively on any Run-of-River Plants already in operation on the Western Rivers, nor as to affect retrospectively any such Plant already under construction the design of which (having already been duly communicated by India under the relevant provisions of the Treaty) has not been objected to by Pakistan as provided for in the Treaty.

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The seven-member Court of Arbitration is chaired by Judge Stephen M. Schwebel (United States),
former President of the International Court of Justice. The other members of the Court are
Sir Franklin Berman KCMG QC (United Kingdom), Professor Howard S. Wheater FREng (United
Kingdom), Professor Lucius Caflisch (Switzerland), Professor Jan Paulsson (Sweden), Judge Bruno
Simma (Germany), and H.E. Judge Peter Tomka (Slovakia). The Permanent Court of Arbitration in
The Hague acts as Secretariat to the Court of Arbitration.

In June 2011, the Court of Arbitration conducted a site visit to the Neelum/Jhelum and Kishenganga
hydro-electric projects and surrounding areas located on the Kishenganga/Neelum river. In
February 2012, a delegation of the Court conducted a second site visit to the Neelum river valley. The
Parties have also submitted written pleadings. From August 20 to 31, 2012, the Court of Arbitration
conducted a two-week hearing on the merits of the dispute between the Parties
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Now the question would be if India is permitted Gate at only at the dead storage level or lower at the bottom? If we r permitted gates at the bottom then it is v good success as the Tribunal only said that we cannot empty out the whole dam but can off course flush it reasonably by draining out some water till dead storage level.
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We need draw down else silt does not flush. 3 M level change is not enough gradient to cause down cutting and flushing.

The award allows draw down at Baglihar but not anymore apparently. Sucks.
I think this award maybe the death knell of the the entire treaty. For the first time India is being thwarted economically.
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Well India would interpret in Good Faith. However , gates below dead storage level is needed for unforseen emergencies though may not be used for drawdown flushing in routine manner. That is not a big issue here.

The main point on which Pakis went to the town was whether India was permitted to divert water to another tributary or not for HEP. That is answered positively and conclusively.

As regards NE award, COA said that neither party had approached NE hence COA was not precluded from determining technical matters. In future India might do well to seek NE first. that would pre-empt COA.

The Partial Award in not interim award as initial impression was. It is Final partial award and not appealable. The only point that remains to be determined is that how much water should flow to Pakistan consistent with Treaty and necessary minimum flow . For that they have got request for data from both parties. That is not an issue for India as it would use hardly 1% of water for power generation and actual reduction would not be more than 5-10%.

Another point where COA has treaded middle path was in determining existing use and by its own test , it has determined that existing use does not mean future use and India has priority rights as compared to Pakistan which started rather late like donkeys it uses to pull cars.
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About Dead Storage level
505. In contrast, Dead Storage is the only category of storage, under either Annexure D or E, that is unrestricted in volume. India may include Dead Storage in the design of any Run-of-River Plant or Storage Work and may provide for Dead Storage of any capacity. This fact is consistent with the other restrictions on storage on the Western Rivers only if Dead Storage is somehow qualitatively different and was understood to be truly “dead”—an area to be filled once, and not thereafter subject to manipulation. The absence of limits on the volume of Dead Storage cannot, of course, itself impose a restriction on how such storage may used. But it is suggestive of the mindset of the Parties in providing for storage of this type.

506. Second, the Court notes that in many instances the Treaty does not simply restrict the Parties from taking certain actions, but also constrains their entitlement to construct works that would enable such actions to be taken. Thus, India is not only restricted in storing water on the Western Rivers; it is also prohibited from constructing Storage Works except within the limited capacity permitted by the Treaty.
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Annexure D, in turn, sets out the permissible operation of a run-of-River Plant, and also includes in Paragraph 8 restrictions on the design of such
Plants.
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In particular, Paragraph 8(d) prohibits outlets from a reservoir below the Dead Storage Level, “unless necessary for sediment control or any other technical purpose.” Any outlets that may be necessary must be of the “minimum size and located at the highest level” that would be “consistent with sound and economical design and with satisfactory operation of the works.”
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507. In their submissions, the Parties have advanced sharply divergent views of the meaning of Paragraph 8(d), Pakistan characterizing the provision as a constructive prohibition on drawdown flushing and India, as an express authorization to design the dam as necessary for effective sediment management. In the Court’s view, however, Paragraph 8(d) is neither. This
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Article III(4) of the Treaty provides that “[e]xcept as provided in Annexure D and E, India shall not store any water of, or construct any storage works on, the Western Rivers.”
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Paragraph 11 of Annexure E includes similar physical restrictions on the design of any Storage Works that
India may construct on the Western Rivers. As a matter of general approach, the Treaty appears to routinely
reinforce operational limits on the conduct of the Parties with physical restrictions on the development of
infrastructure.
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Treaty, Annexure D, Para. 8(d).
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Paragraph does not prohibit flushing, even in a roundabout fashion, by prohibiting the necessary outlets. Outlets below Dead Storage Level are permitted if “necessary for sediment control.” Nor does Paragraph 8(d) evidence the Parties’ intention to permit drawdown flushing. Outlets below Dead Storage Level can be used to control sediment accumulation through sluicing, without significantly reducing the level of water in the reservoir. Thus, no rule either
permitting or proscribing drawdown flushing follows from the terms of Paragraph 8(d).
518. With respect to the KHEP, the Court accepts Dr Morris’s opinion that sediment sluicing offers a feasible alternative to drawdown flushing. Sluicing, the Court recalls, is the technique whereby sediment-laden inflows are released through the dam before the sediment particles can settle in the reservoir. As the Court understands it, the basis for Dr Morris’s opinion is the historically well-established record of effective sediment control at run-of-river installations through the use of a high-level intake to the power turbines and of sediment sluices in the
immediate vicinity of the intake.
In Dr Morris’s opinion—which the Court also accepts—no significant difference follows from the fact that the KHEP is a Run-of-River Plant located on top of the reservoir created by a high dam, rather than at a low barrage. Where a high dam is being used to raise the elevation of the intake and the corresponding generating capacity—and not to create usable storage behind the dam—the Dead Storage can fill with sediment without consequence. Once the Dead Storage is filled with sediment, the upper reaches of the reservoir would operate identically to a low barrage and could be cleared of sediment through sluicing, without a need to draw down the reservoir.

According to Dr Morris, it is the KHEP’s current intake design—rather than anything inherent in the height of the dam or the size of the reservoir—that prevents the KHEP from simply sluicing sediment like a barrage.


519. The essence of Dr Morris’s opinion on the feasibility of sluicing at the KHEP site has not been contradicted by India’s experts. Despite Dr Rangaraju’s view that drawdown flushing is “essential,” the Court considers his testimony to establish that drawdown flushing is an appropriate (and perhaps preferable) technique, but not the only possible one.to drawdown flushing, Dr Rangaraju stated that “nobody can claim that this is the only technique possible” and further acknowledged that he had not examined whether sluicing would suffice to control sediment at the KHEP.
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520. Similarly, the Court understands the report of Dr Schleiss to state that drawdown flushing is essential for the sustained operation of the KHEP as currently designed, but not to exclude other possible designs that could operate on a different basis. Dr Schleiss’s principal concern involves the encroachment of coarse sediment from the delta at the upper end of the reservoir on the KHEP’s submerged power intake; other sediments would be controlled through “normal spillway operation” (i.e., operation not requiring drawdown) and by venting turbidity currents containing a “high amount of suspended fine sediment.”

In the Court’s view, this is not in fact fundamentally inconsistent with the testimony of Dr Morris, who asserts sluicing is feasible on the basis of alternative intake designs. Ultimately, the Court considers that Dr Schleiss has not established to its satisfaction that another intake design that could operate without drawdown flushing would be technically unworkable.

521. The Court’s view that India’s right to generate hydro-electric power on the Western Rivers can meaningfully be exercised without drawdown flushing extends beyond the specifics of the KHEP to other, future Run-of-River Plants. Based on the evidence provided to it, the Court notes that, in general, sluicing is recommended for narrow, hydrologically small located on rivers where surplus inflow is available for discharging sediment, and that sluicing with little drawdown is particularly effective in regions where a significant percentage of the annual sediment load is carried by the river in short and predictable periods.
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522. In carrying out this evaluation, the Court emphasizes that it is not considering whether the development of hydro-electric power without recourse to drawdown flushing is preferable for India. It is not for the Court to apply “best practices” in resolving this dispute. India has quite understandably argued in these proceedings for a right to the optimal design and operation of its hydro-electric installations on the upstream stretches of the Western Rivers. However, any exercise of design involves consideration of a variety of factors—not all of them technical.
Hydrologic, geologic, social, economic, environmental and regulatory considerations are all directly relevant, While acknowledging that the potential impact of sediment must be evaluated and modelled in relation to each particular site and dam design, the Court presently sees no reason why the factors favouring the feasibility of a sluicing mode of operation at the KHEP site would not apply equally to other sites on the Western Rivers at which India would be likely to construct Run-of-River Plants.


and the Court considers the Treaty restraints on the construction and operation by India of reservoirs to be such a regulatory factor.

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For the Court, the optimal design and operation of a hydro-electric plant is that which can practically be achieved within
the constraints imposed by the Treaty.
The portions in red needs to be challenged
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Basically the award is saying that it is ok if the dam is silted over but no draw down flushing
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Its a bit more subtle than that.

The awards says flushing can be done without draw down. So maybe the dam design does not have to be changed. But India might have to avoid the Salal situation.

The court also seems to be a little cavalier with the risk. If the dead pool is gone the operational depth will fill up in no time as well as has happened in Salal. In fact the construction of Baglihar has given a new lease of life to Salal as for the first time inflow can be controlled.

Since there will be no dams above kishan ganga the risk is quite high.
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vic wrote:Basically the award is saying that it is ok if the dam is silted over but no draw down flushing
Well, the dead storage will get silted up to the level of sediment control outlets, which will be below the inlet for the turbine. It will not do much harm as far as electricity generation is concerned.

IMHO in future projects dead storage should be kept to a minimum, by using low level outlets for local irrigation.
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Theo_Fidel wrote:If the dead pool is gone the operational depth will fill up in no time as well as has happened in Salal.
The dead pool will fill up with sediment only till the level of the sediment flushing outlets, which are below the outlet going to the turbine.
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Again that is not how it worked out at Salal.

Take a look at this link. See the sketch on how Salal is fully filled up. The water does not still anymore so the entire 345 MW is essentially useless as you can not run the blades with heavy silt load. IIRC the recent reports say the delta is now higher than the intake even! Recently the Baglihar dam has helped a bit.
http://www.hydrocoop.org/publications/S ... rvoirs.pdf

Here is an excellent link on sedimentation and draw down scouring. Se how difficult it is even with draw down.
http://www.sedinet.info/download/ID%20Gupta_CWPRS.pdf
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During normal dam power generation, you must still the dam waters, let the sediment drop out and then run the clean water through the blades. If we can not still the water then the operational period goes out of your control and depends on mother nature entirely.

It is critical to remember this.
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Construction of 3,30 MW KHEP project
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2013_pg5_1

KARACHI: Pakistan on Tuesday lost the case of construction of 330 megawatts (MW) Kishanganga Hydro-electric Power (KHEP) project in Indian-held Kashmir (IHK) in the International Court of Arbitration (COA) against India. This loss will reduce more than 20 percent of the power generation capacity of the 975 megawatts (MW) Neelum-Jhelum power project on the same river downstream Muzaffarabad in Azad Kashmir.Pakistan would to face severe water shortage in the next coming years, water experts said.The COA accepted the stand over the KHEP project and allowed India to turn the flow of water according to its requirements.A senior member of Sindh Agriculture Forum said this was sheer in violation of the 1960 Indus Water Treaty (IWT) between the two countries while he expressed dismay over failure of Pakistan’s solicitors, as they could not plead the case judiciously. Indian spree of building dams on water flowing into Pakistan territory will inflict Pakistan to a water-scarce country.Pakistan is heading towards severe water shortage as the Indian government has decided to build more than seven dams on rivers running into Pakistan from IHK.Pakistan has absolute rights on these rivers, as their flow is towards Pakistan and under the IWT India is violating the accord.Throughout the case proceedings Pakistan remained undecided to appoint patriotic and real water management experts to take up its case before COA in violation of the 1960 IWT.
The construction of Nimoo-Bazgo hydropower project since one year, including Baglihar and Kishanganga in violation of the IWT and now completion of one of the highest hydropower projects in the world on Indus River at Ladakh will hurt Pakistan’s agriculture and other water needs.Winning the case will provide India to speed up work on Chuttak hydroelectric project on the River Suru, a tributary of Indus in the Kargil, which is also near completion.These projects will reduce the flow of Indus River, which would badly damage masses, industry and agriculture of Pakistan.Pakistan has lost its stand due to poor handling of the case with India as well as in COA, Pakistan could not gain points in favour of its case, only because of a team of jurists, not sincere from the start.The IWT has now become ineffective as India has continuously been violating all clauses of the treaty and Pakistan was not challenging them at any international forum by tacit approbation. A report by the Washington DC-based Woodrow Wilson Centre said Pakistan would face a loss of energy of more than Rs 6 billion every year if it lost Neelum-Jhelum power project case in COA.The IWT with India remained just on papers. India had diverted Pakistani water and constructed more dams, which would further worsen the water situation in Pakistan. International Water Expert Engr Bashir Malik who has served United Nations and World Bank as chief technical adviser said the cheapest and environment-friendly solution to water and energy crisis in Pakistan was the Kalabagh Dam, which could only be built by a patriotic and brave leader having the courage to break all the barriers in the best national interest. Pakistan Commissioner for Indus Waters, Ministry of Water and Power, Ministry of Environment and Ministry of Foreign Affairs remained tight lipped :roll: on the issue.
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chaanakya wrote:About Dead Storage level

The essence of Dr Morris’s opinion on the feasibility of sluicing at the KHEP site has not been contradicted by India’s experts. Despite Dr Rangaraju’s view that drawdown flushing is “essential,” the Court considers his testimony to establish that drawdown flushing is an appropriate (and perhaps preferable) technique, but not the only possible one. to drawdown flushing, Dr Rangaraju stated that “nobody can claim that this is the only technique possible” and further acknowledged that he had not examined whether sluicing would suffice to control sediment at the KHEP.
It seems this Rangaraju was not prepared on the crucial sedimentation issue. Is he supposed to be some kind of expert?
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Anyway, here is one possible solution.

Create a number of sediment flushing channels - not only in the dam wall below the turbine intake, but also on the reservoir bed, in the vicinity of the turbine intake.

The area within say 100 meters of the turbine intake needs to be flushed.

So lay some pipes on the reservoir bed with their mouths at various points within a 100 meter radius of the turbine intake. These pipes should go through the dam wall, with gates at the dam wall.

I think this ought to work and would not be too expensive.
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^^^ If a pipe opening of say 0.5 meter diameter, on the reservoir bed, is capable of flushing a radius of say 20 m, then you will need about 15 such pipe openings to cover a semi-disk on the reservoir bed, centered at the turbine inlet and with a radius of 100 meters.
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Something like this ...

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Eventually the reservoir will get filled up up to the level of the sediment flushing outlets, but that will not affect the turbine as long as there is sufficient vertical margin and the area flushed is large enough.

The area can be flushed even without reducing the water level below the turbine inlet.
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That is the whole point of flushing. Draw down is just to create adequate pressure to remove sedimentation and force it to flow through the outlets. If there is no draw down (means inadequate pressure) then channels below intake will get clogged over a period of time.


Also the Tribunal has shown anti-India (UK bias) which is well recoganised in International arbitrations. Arbitration tribunal has :-

1. It is Indian water and India is giving some rights to Pakistan and not the other way around

2. Rewritten the treaty

3. Decided that best solution may not be used by India even if it is not barred and is allowed by the treaty

4. Gone beyond its jurisdiction to decide issues of other dams not before it.

5. Done the job of Neutral expert

6. Over ridden the opinionof Neutral expert


I think it is a hatchet job in favor of Pakistan.
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vic wrote:That is the whole point of flushing. Draw down is just to create adequate pressure to remove sedimentation and force it to flow through the outlets. If there is no draw down (means inadequate pressure) then channels below intake will get clogged over a period of time.
Actually pressure is maximum when the reservoir is full. However the problem is that without draw down, only sediment from a relatively small area around the "drain" is washed away. Which is why one may have to use several such drains to cover a larger area.

Also a smaller dam upstream with a sediment flushing channel from its base would provide a bypass which will greatly reduce the amount of sediment entering the main reservoir.
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Vic is right. Flushing needs a proper down cutting gradient.

Pranav is also right that technically his pipe system connects the high dam pressure to the low pressure on the face of the dam. The key thing to keep in mind is down cutting/flushing does not happen under water. At best there may be a small cone of sediment removal right at the inlets. That’s all. Also is the pipes/inlet gets clogged there is no access for maintenance. If the pipes don't function the dam is quickly doomed. This is unacceptable risk IMO.

If you read the award carefully what it is saying is that the low down gates and the intake could function simultaneously. This way the silt from stilling can be flushed at the same time as intake. How ever this will require a redesign as the low level gates are not designed for such constant high erosion working.

The smaller dam upstream is an interesting option. It will require a redesign however and more money and time and new tunnels, which is the aim of TSP anyway to delay these projects as much as possible.

Lets see what our engineers say, esp. after the full award.
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The Award has made several important points which have to be considered in future while finetuning the strategy for Dam constructions on Western Rivers under IWT and pakistan intransigence .

Meanwhile Pakis are realising the comprehensive defeat they have suffered and the cognitive dissonance that Indian Spokesperson Sayed Akbaruddin ( sounds suspiciously similar to brfite names used in Nukkad/L&M dhaaga). I mean they found it really unacceptable how a Muslim can ask Indians to celebrate victory over pakistan..

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... redesigned
Neelum project may need to be redesigned
By: Terence J Sigamony | February 20, 2013 .

ISLAMABAD - With the award announced in the Kishanganga dispute by The Hague-based Court of Arbitration to divert only a minimum flow of water from the Neelum/Kishanganga River for power generation, the 969MW Neelum-Jhelum Hydropower Project would be badly affected and would have to be redesigned.
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They were of the view that the verdict is a clear green signal for the Kishanganga project because Indian spokesperson Syed Akbaruddin, announcing the decision on Monday late night, asked Indians to celebrate the coming Sunday as a celebration day.
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Official sources, on the condition of anonymity, held Special Assistant to Prime Minister on Water Resources and Agriculture Kamal Majidullah responsible for the defeat in the legal battle over the Kishanganga hydropower project. Giving the reasons for this debacle, they said the team leader had no knowledge about trans-boundary water management. In addition, an undue delay was made by the government of Pakistan in the launch of Neelum-Jhelum Hydropower Plant, which was approved in 1989 and was to begin in 2002. “This vital point gave an edge to India that started Kishanganga in June 2006, while in Pakistan, On July 7, 2007, the Chinese consortium, CGGC-CMEC (Gezhouba Group and China National Machinery Import and Export Corporation) were awarded the contract to construct the dam and a power station, said an official in the water and power ministry, on the condition of anonymity.
Arshad H Abbasi, a water expert, when contacted, made it clear that with the ICA verdict, Pakistan would have to redesign the 969MW Neelum-Jhelum Hydropower Project and it would also cause reduction in hydel power.

He said due to the disputed Kishanganga Dam, work on the Neelum-Jhelum Hydropower Project had already been badly affected. At present, Pakistan is facing financial hardship in implementing the Neelum-Jhelum project. The Water and Power Development Authority (Wapda) is also facing internal problems in generating funds for the project and the Finance Ministry is reportedly not providing funds, he added.
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......... However, India had been racing to complete the 330MW Kishanganga project which would divert the River Neelam to Wullar Lake,
leaving very little water for the Pakistani project, which is just 70 kilometres downstream from Kishanganga, thus reducing the power generation capacity of the 969MW Neelum-Jhelum plant by about 11 percent. ..........
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An official of Wand Power Ministry told this scribe that Pakistan needs Rs2 billion on a monthly basis to continue work on the Neelum Jhelum project. Due to the undue delay in the proper commencement of the Neelum Jhelum project, the cost of the project has ballooned from 84.5 billion to a staggering Rs 274.8 billion, which might result in an exorbitant power generation cost of over Rs 10 per unit, against the existing hydroelectric generation cost of 16 paisa per unit.


The burden of the costs arising out of delays and inefficiency is also expected to be transferred to consumers,
as the government has decided to arrange 40 per cent of the required funds through a levy on consumed energy imposed by the Government of Pakistan


It is a matter of deep concern that a permanent works above the riverbed is not allowed. But India went ahead with the construction of a powerhouse, tunnelling works, constructing cofferdams, temporary bypass tunnel and concretisation under the riverbed for the dam.
And the controversy owes its genesis to India’s plan to build a 330-megawatt hydropower plant in Held Kashmir across the Jhelum River.

The dam site is located 160 km upstream from Muzaffarabad and involves the diversion of Kishanganga River (called the Neelum River in Pakistan) to a tributary named Bunar Madumati Nullah of Jhelum near Bunkot. The diversion will change the course of the Neelum by about 100km, which will then join the Jhelum through Wullar Lake near the town of Bandipur in Baramula district. As a result of this diversion, the Neelum and Jhelum rivers which at present join each other near Muzaffarabad at Domail will meet in Indian Held Kashmir.


Looks like we might have saved Wullar Lake. Pakis have been objecting to Wullar Barrage. With diversion of water to the lake this might have been solved.

Existing Use can not be something in future.

Diversion is allowed.

Drawdown flushing is one of the methods and India has not demonstrated that it is the only best method. This was conceded by India.

India did not refer the issue to NE earlier therefore COA is not precluded from hearing it. While COA award might hold for future dams India can always refer this issue to NE in future , thereby preempting any COA.
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http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-3 ... ay-experts


Pakistan is yet to decide whether they won or lost the case. The journo has to explain how they have won the case.
In what could be a colossal blow to Pakistan’s water interests, India is claiming to have won the legal battle over the Kishenganga Hydropower Project in the international court of arbitration (CoA) at The Hague.

If so, it would be the second victory of India in a row, as New Delhi had earlier won the battle against Islamabad on Baglihar Hydropower Project in 2007. Jubilant Indians will celebrate victory on Sunday next.

He said this was totally wrong and asked this correspondent to wait for the detailed decision. Naqvi said the CoA had made India bound to keep the ponds of all projects, including Baglihar and Kishenganga, full of water at all costs so that the water flow in the rivers destined to reach Pakistan was not cut.

He said India will not be able to stop the water of Neelum River as was being said and the Neelum-Jhelum project would be not be affected.

He said Kamal Majidullah was going to issue a statement telling that Pakistan had not lost the case rather it had won the case. Majidullah was contacted time and again but his cell phone was powered off.
General (R) Zubair Ahmad, CEO of Neelum Jhelum Hydropower Company, said if this was the decision of the Court of Arbitration as India was dubbing, the Kinshengnga project would affect the viability of the Rs270 billion Neelum Jhelum Hydropower Project and reduce the 10 percent electricity generation capacity resulting in the loss of 141.3 million dollar annually.

However, with the decision, in winter season the water flows in Neelum River would reduce by 10 percent and 30 percent in summer season.
Kamal Majidulla, Special Assistant to the Prime Minister on Water Resources and Agriculture, was appointed as Pakistan’s agent for Kishenganga project in The Hague.

Many experts question Pakistan’s strategy in The Hague court and call it flawed. They say Kamal Majidulla was unknown to the international trans-boundary water issues. He has been a journalist and remained editor of an eveninger in Karachi. The only qualification he has is friendship with the top PPP leaders. He also successfully used his maneuvering skills to bag the job.

Circles close to Majidulla deny these charges and say he will soon explain the case and what Pakistan has gained or lost in The Hague.

Former adviser and special secretary to the Ministry of Water and Power Riaz Khan, who is a close relative to Prime Minister Raja Perviaz Ashraf, is also said to be responsible for massive delay in initiating the Neelum–Jhelum Hydropower Plant approved in 1989.

The massive delay has given edge to India in the court of arbitration. India started Kishanganga project in June 2006, Pakistan awarded the project to the Chinese consortium CGGC-CMEC (Gezhouba Group and China National Machinery Import and Export Corporation) on 7 July 2007 for construction of the dam and power station of Neelum-Jhelum Hydropower Project.
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hmmm..... I thought in dams, flushing happens just after the inflow period starts from the cachement areas? Pranav, I am not sure flushing is like running a vaccum over the floor or releasing the sediment cock of a home heating unit. Based on some empirical calculations (of each dam) a certain percentage of turbid* water is ejected from the lower depths, while the new inflow is still settling down. It might not eject already settled sediment

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* consisting of suspended medium sized particulate that settles down in hours and forms the bulk of what has not settled down in the upper reaches of dam. The finer ones will settle in a few days and is not easy to deal with, without wasting too much water.
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Further even a two bit arbitrator knows that he cannot comment on issues not before him directly, hence motivated comments on future projects are malafide and designed to prejudice India in future cases.
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I find it strange that the Pakis are not putting up a spin and claiming victory. May be because the judgment is long and in English they are waiting for arabic/urdu/chinese (then they can ask the Chinese experts to explain what the heck the judgment is about) translation?
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saip wrote:I find it strange that the Pakis are not putting up a spin and claiming victory. May be because the judgment is long and in English they are waiting for arabic/urdu/chinese (then they can ask the Chinese experts to explain what the heck the judgment is about) translation?
Their bluff has been called and they have been told in no uncertain terms that the western rivers belong to India as well so they are speechless. The Indus treaty is the most one sided treaty in the world at present and they should be more careful about stressing it.
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Er...why is dredging the waterway not feasible?
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sanjaykumar wrote:Er...why is dredging the waterway not feasible?
How about siphoning out sediment with water from near the reservoir bed? Put a barge on the surface, with a pipe being suspended from it, with its opening being held say half a meter off the bed. The other end of the pipe goes downstream of the dam.

Move the barge around and you would be able to "vacuum clean" the reservoir bed with only minimum power consumption.

Maybe you can design a special wheeled "anchor" to hold the pipe opening at the right distance from the reservoir bed. This "anchor" could move around on the bed with the barge stationary on the surface. Then move the barge and anchor to cover another area. Maybe the anchor could even have some kind of underwater "drill" to agitate the sediment so it can get sucked out by the siphon.

Part of the piping could be fixed but a segment from the barge to the dam wall would need to be flexible to allow the barge to move around.

Added later: It may not be easy to raise the sediment particles with the flowing water. It depends upon the density of the sediment particles, and how easily they can be suspended in the water. If that becomes an issue then you should not lift the sediment up from the wheeled anchor to a barge on the surface ... the tube should go horizontally from the anchor along the reservoir bed and then through the dam wall.
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FWIW John Briscoe, apologist for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan from days dating back to the Baglihar dispute, on the Kishanganga judgement:

“Pakistan will continue to object to every project on the Indus, Jhelum or Chenab in Indian-held Kashmir (and now, armed with the ICA conclusion on dead storage, Pakistan is likely to win).”

From the Hindu:

Winning the battle but losing the war
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arun wrote:FWIW John Briscoe, apologist for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan from days dating back to the Baglihar dispute, on the Kishanganga judgement:

“Pakistan will continue to object to every project on the Indus, Jhelum or Chenab in Indian-held Kashmir (and now, armed with the ICA conclusion on dead storage, Pakistan is likely to win).”

From the Hindu:

Winning the battle but losing the war
From the article -
What is needed is to use the resetting of the terms by the ICA for India and Pakistan to start out in a new direction. This should be one in which there is a search for joint benefits (such as hydropower plants built in the best possible sites, with power sold both ways, and with operating rules which benefit both parties built into the project). As a long-time student of this dynamic in the subcontinent it remains my conviction that the first step in breaking the long-standing vicious cycle must come from sustained, high-level, political leadership from India.
Rather than wasting time in fruitless wrangling with rabid Paks, India should work out innovate methods of sediment management. IMHO, a small dam upstream, with a sediment flushing channel from its base, plus "vacuum cleaning" the vicinity of the turbine inlet as described in a previous post, will probably suffice to allow the dam to function indefinitely. Dredging can also be looked at.

It is clear that India was not prepared legally. Our representative went there and made a bald-faced confession that he is quite clueless about the merits of various methods of sediment management.
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