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Pratyush wrote: 20 Aug 2023 07:03
basant wrote: 20 Aug 2023 01:21 Snip ....

However, it would up to the government and Parliament to peruse the report and inspect the reasons for the failures to meet the target..., CAG is neither competent nor empowered to do that.
Nor are the parliament or the government for that matter.

Much of the advance technology is dependent on materials getting developed with specific capacity and in very specific shapes.

No one 8n government is going to be able to truly acess the challenges associated with those.
That line of thinking is wrong.
The project management team need NOT understand the nitty-gritty details of the tech and material science. The initialization of project is with certain objectives and feasibility studies. If that has not been met then what went wrong. Where were the decision/implementation went wrong. This is the retrospective to feedback to the project management. Were the risk fully understood and the PM team was willing to accept those risks of tech and material science or it was just and exercise in thin air.
Govt is such a conservative project sponsor-er and if those projects don't meet the objective this need to be reviewed.
Similarly CAG is a financial audit body, but any money is release with some outcome and benefits that will be realized. If those been not realized where the things went wrong.

One can't just keep saying oh its too technical and sophisticated materiel science, so you won't understand where the project money went.
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VIDEO: https://twitter.com/Archit_Ch/status/16 ... 94444?s=20 ---> GTRE continues to aim to eventually conduct limited flight trials of the Kaveri on an LCA Tejas airframe. A new Polymer Matrix Composite based By-Pass Duct for the Kaveri, a major load bearing and LRU housing component, is near project completion. Voice of Shri M Z Siddique, DG-Aero DRDO during his address to CSIR-NAL earlier this month.
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US Congress clears landmark India-US fighter engine deal
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 1-amp.html
31 August 2023

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US Congress clears historic deal to jointly make jet engines for Indian Air Force
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/u ... 2023-08-31
31 August 2023
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=WIqQopeUOO0 ... hPSmKNfc2j

Alpha Defence- you tube channel reporting that HAL and BHEL to develop a 4000 hp turboprop engine.


Don't know where this genuinely belongs. So am posting it in this thread.

The more important question in my mind. Why are we putting the cart before the horse. The RTA 90 is no where in the horizon.
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^^^^^^

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https://twitter.com/Varun55484761/statu ... 16929?s=20 ---> Dry Kaveri's new fan. Two prototypes of dry Kaveri were fabricated. One engine sent for high altitude testing at Russia & other engine is under testing at GTRE. Initial flight release certification is around 2024. After IFR certification, limited flight test starting possibly on Tejas.

https://twitter.com/Varun55484761/statu ... 18713?s=20 ---> Eight more dry Kaveri under manufacturing. Dry Kaveri may get a new afterburner. Currently no takers for such an engine. Hope it will also happen. Picture owner @RETHIK5706.

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Alpha Defense (in Hindi) explains all the Kaveri derivatives in a simple manner..

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Rakesh thanks for the news.
I hope it will power the Naval LCA as there are two units available and Navy is innovative.
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https://x.com/Varun55484761/status/1705 ... 31911?s=20 --->

* V-Gutter of GTRE Kaveri Engine. The V-Gutter is for stabilisation of the flame during reheat.

AFAIK, DRDO studying methods to cool V-Gutter to improve creep life. This is for a fifth generation aero engine.

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https://x.com/RETHIK5706/status/1705468 ... 90904?s=20 ---> DRDO Chairman Dr Samir V Kamat said, "Kaveri engine program is not a complete failure, during that time we didn't have expertise in predicting the thrust level of the engine during the designing phase itself, now this engine is planned for a UCAV program which is going good."

https://x.com/RETHIK5706/status/1705470 ... 20672?s=20 ---> A new JV will be formed for the 110KN thrust class engine and don't want to take risks in this program. If we want to develop an engine of this class on our own, it may take 15-20 years. To reduce the time, we are looking for foreign OEM to design a new engine! GTRE INFRA RISING.

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Rakesh wrote: 25 Sep 2023 21:17 https://x.com/RETHIK5706/status/1705468 ... 90904?s=20 ---> DRDO Chairman Dr Samir V Kamat said, "Kaveri engine program is not a complete failure, during that time we didn't have expertise in predicting the thrust level of the engine during the designing phase itself, now this engine is planned for a UCAV program which is going good."

https://x.com/RETHIK5706/status/1705470 ... 20672?s=20 ---> A new JV will be formed for the 110KN thrust class engine and don't want to take risks in this program. If we want to develop an engine of this class on our own, it may take 15-20 years. To reduce the time, we are looking for foreign OEM to design a new engine! GTRE INFRA RISING.
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Good excuse there ... "we can develop but won't as it may take unacceptably long".
Wah!! How else will indigenous technology be developed?
By bankrolling a 5th gen turbofan d&d program of an OEM (which incidentally, the OEM country refuses to fund, citing the cost levels involved), is it? :evil:

Today saw news reports, that the plan is to have the OEM design and develop the core (and most probably the Fan as well), while GTRE concentrates on the A/B section - what a baloney. And how is that then going to be any different from the F414 ToAsT program (for LCA Mk2) anyway?

Alternatively, how about a parallel completely indigenous program - almost all, technological groundwork (barring the test facilities) for it is already available via Kaveri and other indigenous programs, anyway - so why not atleast try it.

But then again, expecting such foresight from an organisation that has not been able to secure funding (and platforms) from MoD (and IAF), for more than a decade, to fly-test the sub-wet-thrust-level K9s etc, is just :roll: :roll: :roll:
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I don't understand the timeline suggested for the indigenous 5th generation engine.

Is the so called joint development going to be that much faster than a purely indigenous effort?
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Pratyush wrote: 27 Sep 2023 14:12 I don't understand the timeline suggested for the indigenous 5th generation engine.

Is the so called joint development going to be that much faster than a purely indigenous effort?
Well, IMVHO it depends upon which OEM you are partnering with ... if the OEM (read GE) already has a host of 5th Gen techs already perfected and operationalized, it will obviously be much quicker.
So only the design, development and testing time would be required only - not less than 5-6 odd years maybe.

However, for OEMs who doesn't have these 5th Gen technologies, and are basically at a 4+ gen levels (from operational pov e.g. SAFRAN et all), then there'll be a need of an additional incremental tech dev timeline - easily another 5-6 years, ultra conservatively (can easily go to a decade), that is.
So maybe around a decade (5+5) long program will be required, at the very minm.

However, flip side is, if 5th Gen tech dev is going to happen afresh, there's a better chance of us getting some/more insight into it etc.

Also these schedule risks can be mitigated by an alternate lower-tech path i.e. a baseline 4+ gen tech of 60KN/90KN tech is enough to scale it up 75KN/110-115KN case class without getting into true blue 5th gen technology development aspects of bilayer TBC, CMC rotors (in LPT), Bling LPT, CMC + EBC (in combustor), contra-rotating HPT and LPT (without any stators), maybe even adaptive BPR etc.

However IMVHO, if played smartly, this alternative route could easily be the K10+ initiative (i.e. purely indigenous route).
Where-in, at a very high level, would be aiming at scaling to 30:1 (current 21.5) OPR levels with a TeT of between 1550 and 1600 deg C (current 1455 deg C) levels - all via modest 4+ Gen low-BPR turbofan technologies!!
After all, if we are fine with AL-31FP levels of technologies (3 Gen, max) in our frontline platforms today, such initiatives should be palatable, right?

Of course, asking to include 5+ Gen tech simultaneously, to lower the weight and also enhance SFC levels even further etc etc is where 2 decade etc timelines will come in.

Yes costly (2 parallel programs) ... but less risky - can't have both, unfortunately.

However, I'm sure, given our track record of negotiating and future planning, we will end up having both these paths getting pursued with an OEM, and then getting satisfied with some some-level of hand-me-down technology lollipops, here and there.

Oh well ... :((
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https://x.com/DefenceDecode/status/1712 ... 00305?s=20 ---> Defence Minister of India Shri Rajnath Singh at the Safran Aircraft Engines' Gennevilliers site where key parts of Rafale's M88 turbofans are produced.

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Rakesh wrote: 11 Oct 2023 18:43 https://x.com/DefenceDecode/status/1712 ... 00305?s=20 ---> Defence Minister of India Shri Rajnath Singh at the Safran Aircraft Engines' Gennevilliers site where key parts of Rafale's M88 turbofans are produced.
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Rakesh wrote: 11 Oct 2023 18:43 https://x.com/DefenceDecode/status/1712 ... 00305?s=20 ---> Defence Minister of India Shri Rajnath Singh at the Safran Aircraft Engines' Gennevilliers site where key parts of Rafale's M88 turbofans are produced.
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Interesting news - this Ginnevilliers site is where Safran recently (2019-20) opened a turbine blade research center ... Safran dedicates new facility to turbine blade research
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The manufacturer says that the facility is capable of carrying out "all development work necessary for next-generation very-high-performance turbine blades" for military and commercial engines on fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft.
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... multi-disciplinary design, single-crystal casting, 3D-printed ceramic blade cores, thermal coatings, cooling circuits, digitised processes, self-adapting micro-drilling, and non-destructive testing based on artificial intelligence, Safran says ...
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One project is to develop enhanced blades for the Snecma M88 engines that power Dassault Rafale fighters ...
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Hmmm, something's cooking - didn't the DRDO chief recently visited this same site recently?
Or maybe I'm just reading too much into this, and this is just another "high-level visit" of many such visits recently. :P
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maitya wrote: 12 Oct 2023 11:26 Hmmm, something's cooking - didn't the DRDO chief recently visited this same site recently?
Or maybe I'm just reading too much into this, and this is just another "high-level visit" of many such visits recently. :P
Yes, he did I believe...

India, France may co-develop, co-produce combat aircraft engines
https://www.daijiworld.com/news/newsDis ... ID=1096851
05 July 2023

July was the same month in which the JV was announced between Safran and GTRE.
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Rajnath Singh visits Safran’s engine manufacturing facility near Paris
https://www.defencenews.in/2023/10/rajn ... ear-paris/
12 Oct 2023
Singh’s visit to the facility at Gennevilliers assumed significance as Safran is looking at co-developing a fighter aircraft engine in India under a mega project.
Singh also interacted with a group of CEOs of top French defence companies in Paris and highlighted to them the advantages of co-development and co-production of defence hardware in India that he said could be exported to third countries.
“Safran expressed interest in being a part of the Indian growth story by working with its counterparts on mutually agreed joint projects,” the ministry said in a statement.
CEO of Dassault Aviation Eric Trappier, CEO of Naval Group Pierre Eric Pommellet, CEO of Airbus Guillaume Faury and Safran’s Andries, were present at the interaction.
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Maitya-ji, this one is for you :) From the Raksha Mantri's twitter account...

https://x.com/rajnathsingh/status/17120 ... 43495?s=20 ---> Visited Safran’s engine manufacturing facility near Paris.

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Standing to the right of the CEO of Safran (Olivier Andriès) is the CEO of Safran India ---> Jetendra Gavankar (https://in.linkedin.com/in/jsgavankar)

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Indian Ambassador to France, Jawad Ashraf, sitting at right of Raksha Mantri

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Air Marshal Amar Preet Singh at extreme right, a former Tejas test pilot and the current VCAS

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@ maitya-ji, is that a scale model of a turbine blade in the Raksha Mantri's hands? ---> https://grabcad.com/library/aube-reacto ... ne-blade-1

https://x.com/SafranEngines/status/1712 ... 16611?s=20 ---> Honored to welcome today @rajnathsingh, Defence Minister of India at our Gennevilliers site where key parts of the M88 are produced. We recalled on our strong cooperation with Indian Defense industry and reaffirmed our commitment to co-develop a new fighter engine to power the AMCA.

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maitya wrote: 27 Sep 2023 15:10 Well, IMVHO it depends upon which OEM you are partnering with ... if the OEM (read GE) already has a host of 5th Gen techs already perfected and operationalized, it will obviously be much quicker.

So only the design, development and testing time would be required only - not less than 5-6 odd years maybe.

However, for OEMs who doesn't have these 5th Gen technologies, and are basically at a 4+ gen levels (from operational pov e.g. SAFRAN et all), then there'll be a need of an additional incremental tech dev timeline - easily another 5-6 years, ultra conservatively (can easily go to a decade), that is.
So maybe around a decade (5+5) long program will be required, at the very minm.

However, flip side is, if 5th Gen tech dev is going to happen afresh, there's a better chance of us getting some/more insight into it etc.
This query has been answered here ---> viewtopic.php?p=2604836#p2604836
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https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/171 ... 23835?s=20 ---> GE F414 on a test stand in India, at the HAL Tarmac for ADA. In the background, the Mobile Engine Test Facility for the LCA is visible. These systems (and this image) are by @AIPL_INDIA

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GE engine deal to help overcome striking tech gap, says HAL chief

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The deal will involve 80% transfer of technology (ToT) and is estimated to be worth around $1 billion.
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We are manufacturing the AL-31FP and Shakti engines under technology transfer which is not as exhaustive as what we will get under the F414 deal
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HAL will set up a new engine complex for producing the F414 engines
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The engine technologies that will now be transferred to India under the GE-HAL deal include,
1) machining and coating for single crystal turbine blades
2) fabrication of powder metallurgy discs
3) inertia friction welding for fan and afterburner
4) laser drilling technology for combustor
5) special coatings for corrosion and erosion
6) machining and coating of ceramic matrix composites for nozzle guide vanes, flaps and other parts
7) machining of thin-walled titanium casing
8 ) polymer matrix composites for bypass duct
9) bottle boring of shafts
A few points:
- Pt 6 above means, CMC tech for Static applications are being talked about - unlike it's application for LPT rotor blades (which is where the game changing aspects are).
- Pt 8 is already implemented by GTRE - the link is there a few posts above in this very thread.
- Pt 4 is slightly intriguing - laser drilling for combustor shouldn't have merited a special mention, unless it's about Lamilloy tech being employed for Combustor cooling.
(I think I've posted reg this, if not pls remind me and I should be able to post some details about it)
- Finally $1B being asked for is just for tech transfer aspects or includes the cost of 99 F414 engine manufacturing and support as well.
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Engines For Military Helicopters: Indian Context
https://bharatshakti.in/engines-for-mil ... n-context/
18 Oct 2023

By Lt Gen BS Pawar (Retd)
Safran and HAL have a 50-year-long relationship during which they have developed a variety of engines that have been powering our helicopter fleet. As such, the induction of Safran for producing the engines for IMRH has a fair chance of being a successful journey that should lead to the latest engine technology powering our future helicopter fleet.
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Kaveri Engine Integration on LCA Tejas Taking Shape
https://www.defencenews.in/2023/10/kave ... ing-shape/
18 Oct 2023
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^^^ In light of the above post....one Indian defence fanboy on twitter, to illustrate a Kaveri turbofan on a HAL Tejas, photoshopped an old picture.

https://x.com/RETHIK5706/status/1714526 ... 14009?s=20 ---> First Tejas with Kaveri engine undergoing taxi trials. AIRFRAME: KH-2018. @ReviewVayu a shocker for you.

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Rakesh wrote: 18 Oct 2023 18:45 Engines For Military Helicopters: Indian Context
https://bharatshakti.in/engines-for-mil ... n-context/
18 Oct 2023

By Lt Gen BS Pawar (Retd)
Safran and HAL have a 50-year-long relationship during which they have developed a variety of engines that have been powering our helicopter fleet. As such, the induction of Safran for producing the engines for IMRH has a fair chance of being a successful journey that should lead to the latest engine technology powering our future helicopter fleet.
Sirji, dont see any value in the article from the Lt.Gen. He does not understand that tech denial led us to prioritize certain tech like missiles and space platforms over others.
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Ramping up capacity, prepared to execute big orders: HAL chief
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 82823.html
24 Oct 2023, By Rahul Singh

^^^^
https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1716685 ... 99935?s=20 ---> Key points:

- Safran HAL JV for IMRH engines soon, production in 4 years. IMRH by 2031.
- Mk-1A delivery 24/year by 2025-26
- Mk-1A near to CEMILAC clearance
- LCH ~ 25/year for 156 units
- GE F414 deal in an year (fingers crossed)
- 84 Su-30 MKI Uttam + upgrade will not involve any foreign OEM
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https://x.com/ReviewVayu/status/1717555 ... 00009?s=20 ---> Just in!! Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd and @SafranEngines have signed an MoU announcing their intent to develop industrial cooperation in forging parts’ manufacturing for commercial engines. HAL will produce LEAP engine parts in its facilities in Bangalore.

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Similar story in INDIAN DEFENSE ANALYSIS YT. CFM International is joint venture of GE & Safran. LEAP-1C IPS engine was certified by FAA & EASA in Dec 2016. Airbus and Boeing crafts use this engine. Also the LEAP engine powers the COMAC C919 of China. So HAL will be supplying parts for an engine which the Chinese will buy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw50Rtn3ptc
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https://x.com/Rethik_D/status/1717524292148121868?s=20 ---> RM12/GE F404J turbofan at the Volvo aero test facility, Sweden.

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Alpha Defense is claiming some new angle on the Kaveri Engine development. I still don't understand the babugiri in engine development and counting paisa while the big picture is Bharat is on its way to becoming truly #3 in the world shortly. Big guy status requires big thinking and funding should be no issue, taxes are regularly increasing year by year and so is GST collection. Recently there is hickups in GE 404 engine order, does India want continued dependence or true ATMA Nirbharta as guide post. Any money spent would be recouped over time manifold times. Indian defense ministry should understand necessity of indigenous jet engines for aircraft - tis a no brainer. Speed of project development requires money, certification requires money, baniya counting rupees is stupid to say the least, what is the point. Prevarication has caused delays in numerous projects throughout Indian defense acquisition programs, the babus, mantrijis and decision makers all make everything as enemy of best when good enough for India is the first start which we can all live with in the interim. Engine development in all spheres is a priority. Kaveri engine 1st version has potential in Naval engines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj0A5Uno04Y
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bala wrote: 12 Nov 2023 22:58 Alpha Defense is claiming some new angle on the Kaveri Engine development. I still don't understand the babugiri in engine development and counting paisa while the big picture is Bharat is on its way to becoming truly #3 in the world shortly. Big guy status requires big thinking and funding should be no issue, taxes are regularly increasing year by year and so is GST collection. Recently there is hickups in GE 404 engine order, does India want continued dependence or true ATMA Nirbharta as guide post. Any money spent would be recouped over time manifold times. Indian defense ministry should understand necessity of indigenous jet engines for aircraft - tis a no brainer. Speed of project development requires money, certification requires money, baniya counting rupees is stupid to say the least, what is the point. Prevarication has caused delays in numerous projects throughout Indian defense acquisition programs, the babus, mantrijis and decision makers all make everything as enemy of best when good enough for India is the first start which we can all live with in the interim. Engine development in all spheres is a priority. Kaveri engine 1st version has potential in Naval engines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj0A5Uno04Y
Good video and analysis ... but somewhat muddled, I must say.
Summary is:
1) Trying to revive the indigenous military turbofan design and dev initiative via a re-initiated Kaveri program route via
a) Pitching it as an engine-replacement option for Mk1 and MK1a platforms, 10-15 years down the line
b) Leverage the turbofan Testing and Infra developed for the AMCA joint-dev program, for doing so

2) But to sell the idea to the Baboons, "something new capability" needs to be talked about
(as these Baboon gens don't have any idea about tech design and dev initiatives but they lord over budget sanctions and program approvals)
So, the new capability of 3D vectoring is being proposed - it will be easier for the Baboon gens to "show something" if, a BIG IF, they were to approve a re-initiation program. :evil:

3) Real aim is to,
a) in short term get the K9, as is, flying on a LCA PV (or LSP) platform - and baseline it (the Gas generator, Fan, LPT, A/B architecture etc)

b) in medium term (my guess/speculation, not mentioned in the video) in parallel to the baselining of the K9 platform
i) achieve 100-150kg weight reduction - This is via using next-gen materials (e.g Polymer Matrix Composites, CMC, Aluminium MMCs etc) for around 50-60 odd LRUs mostly to Shrouds/Casings etc
(e.g. recently unveiled PMC based By-Pass Duct achieved weight reduction of 6 Kgs - from 32kgs to 26Kgs, so approx 20%)
ii) Introduce blisks to the LPC and the HPC stages (say, first 3-4 stages)
iii) Maybe a brand-new A/B design, but most certainly the new Fan from the Kaveri-dry engine program
iv) Maybe, small improvements to the HPC efficiency (via end-wall contouring to prevent secondary losses, better distribution of Mach number across blade surface etc - pls refer to my earlier posts)

c) In the long run (again my guess/pure speculation),
i) Get a 3-D vectoring variant developed
ii) Graduate to a F414 thrust-level variant (62KN (dry) / 95KN (wet)) - introduction of indigenous SC HPT and LPT blades and vanes, PM turbine discs and the works (refer to my earlier posts).
Also other day saw somewhere, can't remember now where, some tender (from GTRE) details asking for "Machining, cooling-holes drilling, Brazing and EBPVD/TBC of GTRE-supplied SC HPT blades and vanes castings" etc)

Otherwise, why on earth would IAF agree to have a 52-53KN/84-86KN indigenous variant, anywhere near the Mk1/1A re-engining initiatives, when F414 "indigenous screwdrivergiri" would be in full swing by then. :roll:

But, I guess there's no other way, to keep the indigenous turbofan design and development initiatives alive - especially in face of so much of institutional hostility all around!!
The "lost" last decade :x towards it, was barely survived via the "dry variant" D&D, and now with that well on it's way towards certification etc, a new initiative is needed desperately. :((
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VIDEO: https://x.com/ANI/status/1725851429250990529?s=20
Delhi: On the first two squadrons of Indigenous Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft to be produced together by GE and HAL, DRDO Chief Samir V Kamat says, "... For our next generation aircraft, the first two squadrons will go with the GE 414 engine... But beyond that and for developing the engine capability with 6 generation technologies, we need to develop a high thrust to weight class engine. So hundred and 10 kilonewtons is just a ballpark figure that I have given you, but we need to develop technologies which will allow us to develop a 6th generation engine. And for that, we want to work in collaboration with a foreign OEM to reduce the risks in this development... We have been talking to Safran of France, Rolls Roys of the UK and GE of the US. We will choose the partner among the 3... We hope that within the next 6 months, we are able to take a decision... (LCA Mk2 and 2 Squadrons will be powered by) GE 414 engine, which will be produced in the country. GE and HAL will enter into an agreement..."
Although Twitter is over active that we have gotten clearance on 414 and the agreement signed & all, I don't see any official reports yet from GE or HAL.
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Cybaru wrote: 18 Nov 2023 21:03Although Twitter is over active that we have gotten clearance on 414 and the agreement signed & all, I don't see any official reports yet from GE or HAL.
True indeed. The DRDO Chief did mention that HAL and GE have to enter into an agreement. I am assuming till that agreement is actually signed, there will be no official statement.

I am however glad that the DRDO Chief mentioned that 110kN of wet thrust (turbofan for AMCA Mk2) is just a ballpark figure. Will have to wait and see how this turbofan eventually shapes up.
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All US clearances received: HAL, GE to produce jet engines for LCA Mk2, AMCA fighter jets in India
https://aninews.in/news/national/genera ... 118165814/
18 Nov 2023
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