Whats the logic behind it, gurus?chitre wrote: TOI: Pune to get 3rd Sukhoi sqn
Pune doesn't even qualify as a border district! Arent those beauties better off somewhere near the Eastern or the Western borders?
Whats the logic behind it, gurus?chitre wrote: TOI: Pune to get 3rd Sukhoi sqn
They are there to Suppliment Jags in Maritime Strike and to protect Trombay/BARC/Mumbai/Bombay High incase of an Attack. The MKIs (as i have been told) are also readied as a last line of defence against Ballistic Missles also.Pune doesn't even qualify as a border district! Arent those beauties better off somewhere near the Eastern or the Western borders?
Any idea which Squadron?chitre wrote:TOI: Pune to get 3rd Sukhoi sqn
But we do have them at Jodhpur Air base...rkhanna wrote:Plus close to the border the easier it is for ELINT AC of the Enemy to pic it up and study it.
Thats what baffles me, with the Pursoots being assigned to the MKI already, and reports saying another two squadrons of MKI will be deployed in the East, where are all these airframes coming from?Kakarat wrote:Any idea which Squadron?chitre wrote:TOI: Pune to get 3rd Sukhoi sqn
Pune was always being developed as one of the main SU-30 bases. IIRC, even the Mig-29's used to be first inducted here, then moved off to other bases before the Rambha came along.Dmurphy wrote: Whats the logic behind it, gurus?
Pune doesn't even qualify as a border district! Arent those beauties better off somewhere near the Eastern or the Western borders?
I agree with this logic. In fact I am vehemently opposed to even civilian airports in landlocked places like Bangalore. Civilian airports too should be placed near the borders where the aircraft are closer to the destinations they need to reach.Dmurphy wrote:
Pune doesn't even qualify as a border district! Arent those beauties better off somewhere near the Eastern or the Western borders?
It was an honest query. All i meant to ask was, wouldn't the Sukhois be better used in the border areas, like maintaining a detrimental posture. Anyway, people it seems, ARE allowed to spew venom when they cant keep the animosity within themselves.shiv wrote:I agree with this logic. In fact I am vehemently opposed to even civilian airports in landlocked places like Bangalore. Civilian airports too should be placed near the borders where the aircraft are closer to the destinations they need to reach.
Time, fuel and utility concerns are all addressed by this. Its the corruption in India that closes Indian minds to this simple but brilliant logic.
Dmurphy wrote:It was an honest query. All i meant to ask was, wouldn't the Sukhois be better used in the border areas, like maintaining a detrimental posture. Anyway, people it seems, ARE allowed to spew venom when they cant keep the animosity within themselves.shiv wrote:I agree with this logic. In fact I am vehemently opposed to even civilian airports in landlocked places like Bangalore. Civilian airports too should be placed near the borders where the aircraft are closer to the destinations they need to reach.
Time, fuel and utility concerns are all addressed by this. Its the corruption in India that closes Indian minds to this simple but brilliant logic.
And it hurts even more when you've grown up reading and appreciating their posts and knowledge over the years.
I suppose you meant "deterrent posture".like maintaining a detrimental posture.....
http://www.idrw.org/2008/02/12/jaguars_ ... _good.htmlPresently, India has positioned its Sukhois only at Pune, Jodhpur and Bareilly. They are also operated from the airbases in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, and Halwara.
"The Jaguar squadron was shifted to Jamnagar. Of the two Sukhoi squadrons, number 20 was flown to Jodhpur and Number 30 to Jamnagar. Of the three, only the Number 30 Sukhoi squadron will return to Pune, post runway repairs, under an IAF plan to spread out the fighter strength for operational and strategic reasons," said a senior IAF official.
Not venom. Sarcasm. Sorry if that hurt you. Air bases near borders are open to attack during wars. One reason we had to have many at the borders is because our aircraft ranges were so short that their maximum range within enemy territory could be increased by placing them close to the border. That is completely unnecessary in the case of an aircraft like the Sukhoi wrt to Pakistan. However air bases close to the border serve as additional dispersal areas and alternative landing areas for aircraft returning from attacks short of fuel or when the home air base is under attack or runway damaged.Dmurphy wrote:It was an honest query. All i meant to ask was, wouldn't the Sukhois be better used in the border areas, like maintaining a detrimental posture. Anyway, people it seems, ARE allowed to spew venom when they cant keep the animosity within themselves.shiv wrote:I agree with this logic. In fact I am vehemently opposed to even civilian airports in landlocked places like Bangalore. Civilian airports too should be placed near the borders where the aircraft are closer to the destinations they need to reach.
Time, fuel and utility concerns are all addressed by this. Its the corruption in India that closes Indian minds to this simple but brilliant logic.
And it hurts even more when you've grown up reading and appreciating their posts and knowledge over the years.
Igorr wrote:Indian purchase of Su-35 is unprobably IMHO due to different airframe . More likely Su-30MKI will be a benefitiar from different Su-35 technologies: 172S engines for Su-30MKI MLU, IRBIS's gimbal for BARS (with keeping indian parts upgraded in India), new OLS developed for Su-35, the missiles integrated with Su-35 etc.
IMHO the Su-30MKI (IRKUT) and Su-30MKK (KnAPPO) are different birds structurally which reflects on their respective ranges of 4.5K Km V/s 3K Km. I remember reading somewhere that Indian MKIs are equipped with addittional fuel tanks which account for the increased range. Now Su-35 is a modified version of Su-30MKK with a range of 3.6K Km, despite enlarged airframe. So I really doubt the structural compatibility of MKI and Su-35, and whether our liscensed production can be modified easily for producing Su-35 instead of remaining MKIs. Yes but our MKIs can be upgraded with 117S and IRBIS if IAF wishes so.Dmurphy wrote:AFAIK, the Su-35s are just an improved version of Su 30s, which means that they too are heavy class multi-role aircrafts just like MKIs with the Su 35 differing on being single seat fighters with better radar and engines. There are few structural changes as well...Su35 has larger wingspan but is a bit shorter in height and length as compared to the MKIs (may be becuase its a single seater).
neerajbhandari wrote:So I really doubt the structural compatibility of MKI and Su-35
neerajbhandari wrote:Yes but our MKIs can be upgraded with 117S and IRBIS if IAF wishes so
I meant that our production facilities which are producing the airframe for MKI cannont manufacture the airframe for Su-35 without major changes in the assembly line. It would be like setting up a production facility for an entirely new aircraft since there is very less similarity in the two, airframe wise. Su-35 doesn't use carnards to lessen the drag and the performance penalty is overcome by use of advanced TVC (demo shows Mig-35 like omni directional TVC), wings are larger and the tails are smaller than MKI. Also my point is that Su-30MKK (on which Su-35 is base) was different from our MKI from the begining (see my range question) so Su-35 and MKI are bound to be different as far as airframe goes.Dmurphy wrote:neerajbhandari wrote:So I really doubt the structural compatibility of MKI and Su-35
neerajbhandari wrote:Yes but our MKIs can be upgraded with 117S and IRBIS if IAF wishes so
Did you just answer your own doubt there?
But i'm told that the PAK-FA will be powered by the 117s (Will try and find those sources for you) So i'm guessing the Su-35 offer must be more like a stepping stone to the PAK-FA, if i can put it that way. May be it will give us the experience of manufacturing the 117s in bulk for the 20 squadrons of PAK-FA that we're supposedly interested in. Ditto for the radars too
I've also been exposed to some reports suggesting that the offer is to pacify us for the delay in the PAK-FA project.
Guru-gyaan please
kapil boss, the rumour is about a 5th one to be raised immediately after or along with the pursoots.Kapil wrote:Hi Rahul.
I am quite confused about rumours of another Su sqn being raised.
I mean with a total of 140+ aircraft on order,Sqns WILL have to be raised to fit these birds in.
What the CinC said was that if they can get aircraft delivered on time,in the numbers they want,they can raise a sqn even in December 2008.
Recall that 24 Sqn gave up its Ks,and had no MKIs delivered to them for a few months.
Until then the entire sqn was divided into the other 2 sqns for training etc.And aircraft were borrowed by 24 from other sqns and returned later.
I am assuming a minimum of 8 Su30 sqns overall.
3 are in place already with a 4th on its way.
that leaves room for 4 more.
I agree Rupesh. While we're on the topic, the Mumbai airport is worse. One can just pelt stones and break the cockpit windscreens from the neighbouring Rafique Nagar i'm told !Rupesh wrote:IMHO Lohegaon appears too vulnerable to me...the sukhois are clearly visible from the civillian aircrafts taking off and landing in pune..you can actually count the number of MKI's parked near the runway..just imagine if avhijacked aircraft were to be crashed on the MKI's, why don't we utilize the bases at nasik ( both Ojhar- HAL Airport and Nasik can handle MKI's and Nasik is close to mumbai.)
Bison conversion is finished.Rahul M wrote:kapil boss, the rumour is about a 5th one to be raised immediately after or along with the pursoots.Kapil wrote:Hi Rahul.
I am quite confused about rumours of another Su sqn being raised.
I mean with a total of 140+ aircraft on order,Sqns WILL have to be raised to fit these birds in.
What the CinC said was that if they can get aircraft delivered on time,in the numbers they want,they can raise a sqn even in December 2008.
Recall that 24 Sqn gave up its Ks,and had no MKIs delivered to them for a few months.
Until then the entire sqn was divided into the other 2 sqns for training etc.And aircraft were borrowed by 24 from other sqns and returned later.
I am assuming a minimum of 8 Su30 sqns overall.
3 are in place already with a 4th on its way.
that leaves room for 4 more.
the previous 3 being 24,20 and 30. pursoots have been mentioned in official releases for sometime now. so they are more or less confirmed to be the 4th one. the questions are about the 5th unit. may be one of the mig-21MF sqdns will be converted.
btw, do you know if the bis-bison conversion for the 125 a/c has been completed or not ?
thanks.
I dont know how much an Airbus-320 costs, but they were certainly put at a stones throw distance! And it carries many more lives than a $30 m Sukhoi does.MukulMohanty wrote:If you think our armed forces are so daft so as to put $30m aircrafts at stones throw - think again.
No they are real and i had the good luck of seeing them up close and personal.Its a C shape parking.The SU-30K were piled up for replacements just south of the Lightnings.Rahul M wrote:may be those are the dummy sukhois !
May be the decoys look real for a reason!!!Anshul wrote:No they are real and i had the good luck of seeing them up close and personal.Its a C shape parking.The SU-30K were piled up for replacements just south of the Lightnings.Rahul M wrote:may be those are the dummy sukhois !
The RPG threat is real.But I assume the Garuds were raised keeping the SLAF scenario in mind.You don't want a bunch of Jehadis storming the base with RPGs and Grenades.Close proximity launches are just as possible at the HAL airport .The Jags and LCAs are kept inside hangars though.The ASTE dispersal area is better protected.
Pune ..looks very vulnerable ...basically the whole of Lohegaon looks bombed out.He He...so much to make it look unattractive to jehadis.
Pakis can reproc and send it back?Anurag wrote:http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage ... trParentID
Frontline Sukhoi SU-30 jet deployed in Jammu and Kashmir
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