International Naval News & Discussion

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 30 Jun 2011 13:43

Russia to build two Tiger corvettes for Algerian navy

We have signed two agreements together with Rosoboronexport to sell two corvettes to Algeria and three light [Molniya missile] corvettes to a former Soviet republic," said Roman Trotsenko, head of the shipbuilding corporation.

He said the contracts signed at the show so far were worth $1.3 billion and more contracts were expected before the show closes on July 3.

Russia is exhibiting for the first time its newest Steregushchy class (Project 20380) corvette, the Soobrazitelny, at the show. The corvette can be deployed to destroy enemy surface ships, submarines and aircraft, and to provide artillery support for beach landings.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 30 Jun 2011 16:07

Ka-52 Sea Alligator

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 30 Jun 2011 16:35

Great pic Austin of the Sea Alligator.Never knew it existed.Is it only a concept or have their been prototypes built and what is the role,support for amphib ops or ASW/multi-role?

Russia's latest Bulava launch successful.
http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/06/29/52560905.html

Xcpt:

Russia successfully launched its Bulava missile from the brand new fourth-generation Yuri Dolgoruky nuclear sub deployed in the White Sea on June 28. The Bulava is a submarine-launched ballistic missile able to carry up to 10 hypersonic, individually guided, maneuverable warheads with a low trajectory.

The 15th launch succeeded - the warheads hit the Kura test ground in Far Eastern Kamchatka, Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov reports

"For the first time the test launch has been carried out from a shaft missile, the Yuri Dolgoruky sub, whose crew showed great skill and professionalism."

The successful launch means that all errors, which caused the previous attempts to fail, were removed. Still, the missile has to face several tests before it goes to the troops, the editor of the National Defense magazine Igor Korotchenko says

Fourteen launches have failed but the situation got better under tighter control, which is positive. It’s important that the launch was carried out from the Yuri Dolgoruky which means that the missile and the cruiser work together. Still, we need 4-5 launches, including one with the weapon’s maximum range to a target in the Pacific and one with a full or partial combat load .

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 30 Jun 2011 16:47

Philip wrote:Great pic Austin of the Sea Alligator.Never knew it existed.Is it only a concept or have their been prototypes built and what is the role,support for amphib ops or ASW/multi-role?

Those are destined for the 4 mistral that RuN will eventually buy and 100 plus Ka-52 will be produced , no ASW capability but close air support and multi-special ops role for it , the model was displayed in the ongoing IMDS 2011 at St Petersburg , another picture from a different angle Ka-52

Seen at IMDS model of RuN Gorshkov class Frigate Pr 20350 and corvette Pr 20380 ( via vasiliy86 )

Frigate Pr 20350
Corvette Pr 20380

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 01 Jul 2011 14:17

Royal Navy pilots forced to learn French

One senior Royal Navy officer said: “Who would have thought that more than 200 years after the Battle of Trafalgar, we would be asking the French to train our Naval fighter pilots? Our relationship with the French has always been a bit tense, so this will be a big test of co-operation.”
One benefit for the Royal Navy personnel however will be the quality of cuisine offered on board the Charles de Gaulle, which is said to be of a much higher standard than that available on board British ships. (quelle surprise )

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Jul 2011 14:52

yuk yuk. but what naval fighter of RN will operate from CDG? sea harriers are retired. will they fly harriers from CDG? doesnt the deck new coatings to protect from the hot flame?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 01 Jul 2011 14:55

^^^ slightly OT, but this prompted a search and i found a fascinating wiki page on combat rations around the world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_ration

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Jul 2011 15:04

the french ration seems to be in another "luxury" league compared to the rest - style, pkging, content, variety - very tfta indeed.

the german ration looks like someone broke into a pharmacy and stole some pkts of basic chemicals.

katrina class food
http://www.mreinfo.com/international/fr ... res-1.html

british vomit inducing food
http://www.mreinfo.com/international/gr ... llery.html

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 01 Jul 2011 15:44

VC. interesting deal.The Indo's were earlier exploring buying Russian subs.How these U-209s will differ from our own U-boats will be keenly watched.

Turkey, Indonesia close to sealing key submarine deal
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-249011- ... -deal.html

....Once the expected deal between the two states is signed, Turkish defense firm Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik ve Ticaret A.Ş. (STM) will partner with German Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH (HDW) for the construction of two Type 209 submarines for Indonesian naval forces in the Gölcük shipyard in northwestern Turkey.

The Type 209 diesel-electric attack submarines are also used by Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) and can reach a speed of 11 knots (20 kilometers/hour) at the surface and up to 22.5 knots when submerged. They are armed with eight bow 533 millimeter torpedo tubes and 14 torpedoes. They can carry 38 staff onboard.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 01 Jul 2011 22:37

Rosoboronexport calls illegal Ukrainian transfer of Zubr technical data to China

ST. PETERSBURG, July 1 (Itar-Tass) —— Rosoboronexport has called illegal the Ukrainian selling of technical documentation of the Zubr air-cushion landing ship to China, head of the Rosoboronexport delegation to the St. Petersburg International Naval Show Oleg Azizov told reporters on Friday.

Zubr is a product of the Almaz Central Naval Design Bureau.

Rosoboronexport and China had been negotiating the selling of Zubr ships for a long time but failed to reach an agreement, he said. Meanwhile, Ukraine and China concluded a deal, which transferred Zubr technical documentation to Beijing in violation of intellectual property rights.

“We informed the federal authorities about the illegal actions of the Ukrainian side, which had breached an intergovernmental agreement. The Russian government rather than Rosoboronexport would handle the matter,” Azizov said.

Four Zubr ships will be built under the Ukrainian contract, which has the value of $315 million. The Feodosiya More shipyard will build two ships, and the other two will be built in China with the assistance of Ukrainian specialists.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 02 Jul 2011 01:06

Korea to Export Military Vessels to India, Indonesia.

Korea is expected to sell minesweepers worth US$500 million to India and submarines worth $1-1.2 billion to Indonesia, a government official said on Thursday. They are the country's biggest arms exports so far, exceeding even the $400 million sale of T-50 supersonic trainer jets to Indonesia.

"Outbidding an Italian rival early this year, a Korean firm has been chosen as the priority negotiating partner for India's minesweeper project," a government source said. "The negotiations are in their final stage and the contract will likely be signed as early as August."

India is expected to buy eight minesweepers worth $500 million.

Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering has recently been picked as the preferred bidder alongside a French firm for Indonesia's submarine project. Korea competed with Germany, France, and Russia in the bid.

Of its current fleet of 209-class, 1,200 ton submarines, Korea bought one from Germany in the early 1990s and built eight others with imported technology, but now it has outperformed Germany in the bid.

The Indonesian Defense Ministry will likely select the priority negotiating partner in July or August. If it wins the contract, DSME will build three 209-class subs in Korea and Indonesia.

India is a huge defense industry market, and the minesweeper deal could open the way for Korea to take part in other large projects there as Delhi is accelerating its maritime buildup, including building aircraft carriers and destroyers.

The export of subs to Indonesia could give Korea a strategic foothold in the Southeast Asian submarine market at a time when Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, and Singapore are competing in a submarine race.

Last year, Korea exported a total of $1.19 billion worth of arms. This year's export goal is $1.6 billion, which the two deals alone would comfortably exceed.

koti · Post by **koti** » 02 Jul 2011 15:13

Russia's Nuclear powered Aircraft carrier.
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110630/164924604.html

Bells anyone?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 02 Jul 2011 15:45

koti wrote:Russia's Nuclear powered Aircraft carrier.
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110630/164924604.html

Bells anyone?

They denied it would be build this decade , they are just working on design and requirenments.

They would build N powered destroyers though http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110630/164931731.html

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Jul 2011 16:10

Russian shipbuilders have set a technology record - SNSZ is building a composite only minesweeper (project 12700 Alexandrit). ( http://arms-tass.su/ )

Technological world record is set to Medium-Nevsky Shipyard (SNSZ), part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC). For the first time in the world are successfully implemented completely fill the composite hull of a vessel about 1,000 tons.

"The achievement of the designers and shipbuilders SNSZ hit not only in the Guinness Book of Records, but also all the specialized international publications as an important milestone in the development of non-metallic enclosure technology in shipbuilding," - said on Saturday President of "USC" Roman Trotsenko, summing up the involvement of corporations in Fifth International Maritime Defence Show in St. Petersburg.

In turn, General Director of JSC "SNSZ" Vladimir Seredoho said that record was set in the shop, where we are working on housing project 12 700 minesweeper commissioned by the Russian Navy. "It will ship with a fully-art carbon-fiber casing, the method of composite infusion, advanced on the characteristics that all present and future projects of his class in the world" - he said.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 07 Jul 2011 13:14

DGA orders third Barracuda

Defence procurement agency DGA has placed an order with DCNS for the third Barracuda-type nuclear-powered attack submarine for the French Navy.

This order comes under the framework programme contract awarded to DCNS in December 2006 calling for the delivery of six next-generation SSNs between 2017 and 2028.

Barracuda-type SSNs will replace the six Rubis-class boats currently in service. The Barracuda weapons payload will include next-generation type F21 heavyweight torpedoes, SM39 anti-ship missiles and MdCN-type naval cruise missiles. The boats will also be fully equipped for missions with Nato naval forces and special operations.

DCNS is the programme prime contractor. The first-of-class Suffren and second-of-class Duguay-Trouin are under construction at the Group’s Cherbourg shipyard supported by DCNS centres around the country.

Barracuda: committed professionals dedicated to an ambitious, innovative programme.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 11 Jul 2011 09:39

Watchdog slams UK plan on aircraft carriers, jets

Britain's parliamentary public spending watchdog said today the government's decision to scrap an aircraft carrier and build two replacements might not be cost-effective and carried significant risks.

The highly critical report from the National Audit Office (NAO) said the final cost of replacing the carriers and fighter jets would exceed 10 billion pounds (US$16 billion) and would prove unaffordable unless there was a real-terms increase in defence funding from 2015 onwards.

The decision also meant Britain would not have an operational aircraft carrier until 2020, which experts have said could leave Britain exposed in a sudden crisis.

"(The) decision has introduced more technical, cost and schedule uncertainty," the NAO said.

"There are major risks reconstituting Carrier Strike capability after a decade without it," it said.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 11 Jul 2011 11:42

Huge exploosion at the Cyprus naval base.Was the base supporting the NATO/Brit effort in the Libyan War?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 11827.html

Massive explosion at Cyprus naval base
Monday, 11 July 2011

A Cyprus Defence Ministry spokeswoman says around 10 people are feared dead following a massive explosion at a naval base.

Aliki Stylianou could not immediately confirm the cause of the explosion which occured at the Evangelos Florakis Naval Base on the Mediterranean island's southern coast today at around 6:00am (0300GMT).

State television CyBC is reporting that the explosion also caused numerous injuries and extensive damage to homes in villages near the naval base.

Police spokesman Michalis Katsounotos said that a fire at a nearby power station has been contained.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 15 Jul 2011 15:46

BPC Dixmude, third Mistral class in Toulon for combat system integration and testing

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 Jul 2011 17:47

3 U.S. warships are in Vietnam for the war drill, China objects

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 17 Jul 2011 09:50

Brazil launches construction of four Scorpene-class submarines

The construction of four Scorpene-class attack submarines for the Brazilian Navy was launched on Saturday at a plant near Rio de Janeiro.

Brazil and France signed a $4.25-billion contract on the construction of the four enlarged S-BR diesel-electric submarines, jointly designed by France and Spain, in 2008. The first submarine is expected to enter service in 2017.

Scorpene-class submarines are equipped with six 533-mm torpedo tubes for 18 torpedoes or SM.39 Exocet anti-ship missiles, or 30 mines in place of torpedoes.

Unlike other modifications of the Scorpene-class submarine, the S-BR submarine is not equipped with an air-independent propulsion (AIP) system which allows a submarine to operate without the need to surface or use a snorkel to access atmospheric oxygen.

Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff, who was present at Saturday's ceremony, said the construction of the submarines was an important step that would help the Brazilian Navy reach a new level of technological development.

Brazil and France have also signed an agreement to develop a French/Brazilian nuclear powered submarine. In line with the deal, Brazil's first nuclear submarine is scheduled to enter service in 2023.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Jul 2011 10:05

If 4 scorpenes and 0 rafales (so far) can get the french to share SSN technology, I wonder if the rather steep price of our initial 6 scorpenes and potential for a second lot to amortize the MDL infra cost and the M2K upgrade deal is infact a downpayment on various segments of SSN tech too - for our next line of N subs which would be hunter-killer oriented ?

atleast its good for FUD/CT and shalwar/mao-suit shiver.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 17 Jul 2011 10:58

Singha wrote:I wonder if the rather steep price of our initial 6 scorpenes and potential for a second lot to amortize the MDL infra cost and the M2K upgrade deal is infact a downpayment on various segments of SSN tech too - for our next line of N subs which would be hunter-killer oriented ?

Very much possible, unfortunately no info on the public domain on this...the long delays to start-up, Desh's insistence on building all six here in MDL etc make me think there is something brewing. Also this repeated leaks (with no conformation afterwards) about a follow-on order for 2-3 Scorpenes might also mean something. There has also been talk about an AIP plug for our scorpenes, again no confirmation.
WE WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH UNLESS THE PM OF THE DAYS TALKS ABOUT IT OPENLY!!! I am happy as long as Desh gets a potent platform(s)...

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 18 Jul 2011 14:28

Iranian sub news and links.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/189472.html

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Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Jul 2011 15:03

Singha wrote:I wonder if the rather steep price of our initial 6 scorpenes and potential for a second lot to amortize the MDL infra cost

Brazil signed the deal 4 years later than India did , so there is the inflationary cost plus indian deal involved some TOT ,Training and infrastructure setup cost , brazil deal will involve similar package brazil deal cost ~ $4.2 billion for 4 submarine and Indian deal nearly ~ $3 billion for 6 submarine

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Jul 2011 17:50

well yeah, so if brazil is getting SSN tech for the same money, why cant we ?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Jul 2011 18:17

Singha wrote:well yeah, so if brazil is getting SSN tech for the same money, why cant we ?

The SSN tech brazil was suppose to be a big $9 billion dollar deal and included many quid-pro-quo between French and Brazil. Perhaps the Scorpene is a stepping stone in that direction.

If we could fit a small nuclear reactor inside the Scorpene then it would make a small but capable SSN.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Jul 2011 18:44

Russian Navy to receive new air defense system

The Russian Navy will soon receive a new ship-based gun/missile air defense system, KBP Instrument Design Bureau, the developer of the system, said on Monday.

The system, dubbed Pantsyr-M, has been developed on the basis of the land-based Pantsyr-S1 (SA-22 Greyhound). "Pantsyr-M will replace the Kortik air defense systems and will be installed on all new classes of Russian combat ships, from corvettes to cruisers," said Alexander Zhukov, a senior KBP official.

Zhukov cited specifications for an export version of Pantsyr-M as the data on the system for the Russian Navy is still classified. The export Pantsyr-ME version has a response time of 3-5 seconds and can track and destroy simultaneously up to four targets.Its missiles have a range of 20 kilometers and can hit targets at altitudes from 2 meters to 15 kilometers, while its guns have a range of four kilometers and can hit targets at altitudes up to 3 kilometers.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Jul 2011 08:50

Yes,France did build a small N-sub Rubis class,now pensioned off.Small N-subs are too expensive and deliver too little.A modern N-sub should possess LR cruise missiles like Tomhawk,anti-ship supersonic missiles lik BMos/Klub,Shkvals and a variety of torpedoes,decoy hard and soft kill,plus anti-helo/air missiles of 15-20km range.This requires TTs of two sizes,as well.Impossible in a small hull.

Here is a rare report of a French N-sub.

http://www.worldcrunch.com/rare-glimpse ... rines/3464

A Rare Glimpse Aboard One Of France’s Silent But Deadly Nuclear Submarines
For France, nuclear deterrence is very much an underwater affair. At all times, one of the country’s four ballistic missile submarines quietly patrols the ocean depths. Armed to the teeth, each vessel is equipped to carry more than a dozen nuclear missiles.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Jul 2011 16:34

Nice video of Aster-30 being tested from French Forbin

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 22 Jul 2011 16:38

SoKo's blue-water ambitions.The Dodko is actually a light carrier waiting for the JSF to arrive.By the time-2020 the JSF arrives,the SoKos would've built even larger thinly disguised "amphibs" than the Dodko!

http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?o ... Itemid=194

Xcpt:

Much is made about China’s rapidly expanding navy and ambition to create a fleet capable of projecting power globally. Not so well known is South Korea’s decade-long project to build its own blue water navy. There is nothing particularly secret about South Korea’s naval build up, it just doesn’t get the kind of attention that China’s gets.

This ocean-going force is built around an arsenal of sophisticated guided missile destroyers, including most recently, two 7,600-ton Aegis-equipped monster destroyers with one more under construction , half a dozen 4,500-ton destroyers, submarines and amphibious assault ships.

The flagship of this new strategic fleet is an 18,000 ton, flat-topped amphibious assault ship with the pregnant name of Dokdo, after the tiny island in the Sea of Japan that is claimed by both Korea and Japan and which is a frequent source of tensions between the two countries.

The Dokdo is currently larger than anything in the Japanese navy or even the rapidly expanding Chinese navy – or at least until Beijing finally launches its much-talked about aircraft carrier. Indeed, it is the largest warship belonging to any Asian navy east of India.

Although its main armament would be helicopters and marines, it would also be capable of supporting unmanned aircraft in some future conflict. The South Koreans are planning to build several more of this type of vessel, although probably not as large.

The official purpose of this naval buildup by South Korea is, much as in China, to project power beyond its coastline plus being able to participate in international peacekeeping operations and disaster recovery and relief efforts. Several South Korean destroyers participate in the anti-piracy patrols off Somalia’s coast, along with warships from China and Japan.

A more logical explanation would be that, as in China, the expansion and modernization of the fleet is a natural and inevitable growing process of a nation’s armed forces proportional to the rapidly growing size of its economy. Rationales for the expansion are found later.

A naval base on the south side of Jeju is an obvious step in South Korea’s blue water ambitions, as it allows direct access to the open sea. But it is also located about as far away from the sensitive border with North Korea, supposedly South Korea’s true enemy, as one can be and still be in the country.

When completed in 2014, the base will accommodate about 20 of the country’s most modern surface warships and submarines. There is also proposed space to dock two large cruise ships, an apparent sop to locals as it could be argued the new port boosts tourism.

Growing numbers of Chinese are visiting Jeju and would likely formed the bulk of the passengers on the tourist vessels. Seoul probably is not unhappy that thousands of ordinary Chinese will get a good look at Korea’s growing naval might while enjoying beaches and sampling kimchi.

South Korea’s blue water naval strategy developed in the late 1990s, during a period of relatively relaxed relations with North Korea. This was the time of the Sunshine policy of President Kim Dae-jung and his successor.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 23 Jul 2011 09:51

Austin wrote:Nice video of Aster-30 being tested from French Forbin

The Aster-30 SAM looks good, pretty fast and compact...considering the fact that they have Fitted a 32cell VLS (4x8) so forward in the box means, it is pretty compact.
How does Aster-30 compare to the Barak family of SAM on IN ships.

abhinavjo · Post by **abhinavjo** » 24 Jul 2011 16:59

http://the-diplomat.com/2011/07/24/chin ... time-rise/

For years, China focused its military spending on the People’s Liberation Army, while the Air Force and Navy served as little more than adjuncts to the Army. But with the launch of its first aircraft carrier next month, the rest of the world – and especially the United States’ Asian allies – is taking note of how dramatically things have changed.

Really? Next month?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Jul 2011 17:17

Lalmohan wrote:^^^ slightly OT, but this prompted a search and i found a fascinating wiki page on combat rations around the world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_ration

paki army or paki rations not mentioned.

Guess that they must be eating the hand me down US stuff.......

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 24 Jul 2011 18:11

chetak wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:^^^ slightly OT, but this prompted a search and i found a fascinating wiki page on combat rations around the worldhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_ration
paki army or paki rations not mentioned. Guess that they must be eating the hand me down US stuff.......

Paki Mard army does not eat Kufir rations, they get Divine nectar which gives them super human strength (1 Paki MArd==10 Kufir)

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 26 Jul 2011 07:08

Philip wrote:VC. interesting deal.The Indo's were earlier exploring buying Russian subs.How these U-209s will differ from our own U-boats will be keenly watched.

Turkey, Indonesia close to sealing key submarine deal
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-249011- ... -deal.html

Vipul wrote:Korea to Export Military Vessels to India, Indonesia.

Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering has recently been picked as the preferred bidder alongside a French firm for Indonesia's submarine project. The Indonesian Defense Ministry will likely select the priority negotiating partner in July or August. If it wins the contract, DSME will build three 209-class subs in Korea and Indonesia.

Indonesia shops for submarines

A large share of global trade must pass through the critical Straits of Malacca, and the shallow littoral waters around the Indonesian archipelago. That makes for excellent submarine hunting grounds, but Indonesia has only 2 “Cakra Class”/ U209 submarines in its own fleet, relying instead on frigates, corvettes, and fast attack craft.

South Korea’s Daewoo, which has experience building U209s for South Korea, has been contracted for Cakra Class submarine upgrades. Even so, submarine pressure hulls have inflexible limits on their safe lifetime, due to repeated hydraulic squeezing from ascending and descending. The Indonesians have expressed serious interest in buying 3-6 replacement submarines since 2007, with French, German, Russian, South Korean, and even Turkish shipyards in the rumored mix.

France’s DCNS has 3 relevant offerings. The most prominent is its Scorpene Class, which has been ordered by nearby Malaysia and by India. India is assembling its 6 submarines locally, but that has led to delays, and they would be an unproven shipyard for re-export purposes. The Scorpene can be delivered with or without AIP systems, just like its Agosta 90B predecessor that is being built for Pakistan in both configurations. To date, ordered Scorpenes have been the standard CM-2000 variant.

Indonesia appreciates Russia’s prices, and lack of interference with how their equipment is used. Russia’s Kilo/ Improved Kilo Class submarines are a good technical choice for India’s environment, and popular around the world; nearby countries who operate or have ordered these subs include India, Vietnam, and China.

If either Turkey or South Korea land this deal, however, one thing is certain: the submarines in question will be from Germany’s HDW. Both the Turkish and Korean shipyards have experience building U209 vessels, and both have also signed deals to build new U214s, with Korea’s KSS-II program slightly ahead of Turkey’s.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 26 Jul 2011 08:18

chetak wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:^^^ slightly OT, but this prompted a search and i found a fascinating wiki page on combat rations around the world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_ration

paki army or paki rations not mentioned.

Guess that they must be eating the hand me down US stuff.......

Yes Chetak. When my batchmates and I came across the remains of the F86 pilot @Kalaikunda, in 1965, there was a packet of US rations in a cellophane pack which was packed in the USA. It contained some MARS chocolates. Which weren't available in India at that time. (Except the smuggled expensive stuff @ New Market in Kolkatta). And the rations were packed in the USA!

Shrini buddy. You are wrong. The purest of the pure lub anything that is phree.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 26 Jul 2011 10:45

rajanb wrote:Shrini buddy. You are wrong. The purest of the pure lub anything that is phree.

Did you not get the Irony/humour of my statement

Paki Mard army does not eat Kufir rations, they get Divine nectar which gives them super human strength (1 Paki MArd==10 Kufir)

I know they will eat anything (free or otherwise) and claim, it is the best.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 29 Jul 2011 12:06

Gowind OPV L' Adroit began its first sea trials on Wednesday 27 July

[img]http://frontierindia.net/indiandefence/ ... Adroit.jpg[/img]

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 29 Jul 2011 15:32

8000 tonne mid section of HMS Queen Elizabeth to be lowered on reinforced tarmac

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 29 Jul 2011 15:43

Operation Atrina