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Hari Nair I need to ask you if the issue that cropped up with the LCH during Aero India has been solved and the machine back up in the air?


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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2011 11:51 
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What steps has HAL taken in last 10-20-30 years or so of Dhruv development for developing Indian vendors for crash worthy chairs? Does any other Indian helo has it? Will the imported Mi- series have it?

Transmission:- Who designed it? HAL? Are the castings imported? Are the components of transmission imported? Does HAL semi finishes the imported castings and then sends them back abroad or does it do the whole work in India? What is value of indigenous components in HAL transmission? What effort has HAL made in last 30 years to deveop vendor base?

Words like uneconomical, high tech, long learning curve is just rhetoric. It same with any incompetent babu who does not want to do work.


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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2011 12:09 
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I hear that the PHPBB software used to run BRF is videshi? Is it true?


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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2011 12:13 
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OT: Of course it is! BRF is in reality run by a defence PSU. All software used by a PSU, by Vic'S Law of Inaction and Continuous Blabbering Motion, must be bideshi and imported with a 125% profit margin onlee.


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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2011 12:25 
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Vic's handle is 'inspired' from the videshi penchant for shortening their names.
I protest, this is an imported inspiration.

What to do onlee.


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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2011 12:44 
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@Shiv- yes, the focus is now on TD-2 to get it up for its first flight


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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2011 14:29 
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In a massive multi billion dollar acquisition programme, the Indian Armed Forces plan to induct more than 1,000 indigenous and foreign helicopters
http://iafnews.nuvodev.com/posts/indian ... s-by-2020/


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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2011 17:54 
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Hari sir ... thanks a lot for all the explanation.


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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2011 20:21 
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I know that people don't want to hear what they don't like. So I will try to make my point by contrasting the approach of DRDO with HAL. See below:-


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IAF fighter aircraft to be equipped with special gadgets
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Developed by Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), the On Board Oxygen Generation System (OBOGS) produces oxygen inside the aircraft, allowing the pilots to fly without the help of heavy oxygen cylinders they carry for high altitudes and long duration sorties.

“Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) has started the ground integration process of OBOGS in the Technology Demonstrator (TD) version of the LCA Mark-II. After LCA it will be integrated in all the frontline aircrafts of the IAF,” W Selvamurthy, Chief Controller, Life Science, DRDO, told PTI here.

LCA Mark-II is expected to join the IAF by 2015. DRDO has approved Larsen and Toubro (L&T) as the industrial partner in further development of the technology and its production.

So far only three countries- United States, Russia and France- have successfully integrated the OBOGS technology in its air force.

After successfully developing the two-bed OBOGS, DRDO has started working on the three-bed system, which would make India the first country to possess its most advanced version.

“We plan to prepare our aircraft for non-stop intercontinental sorties. Once developed the three-bed system would be integrated on all the frontline fighters of the IAF.

It would also enable the aircraft to carry extra payload,” Selvamurthy said.

After acquiring other force multipliers like mid-air refuellers and early warning radars which give an extra edge to the fighter planes, IAF is looking at state-of-the-art technology to aid the pilots and DRDO has chalked out a number of projects for the purpose.


Off course now the apologists will come up with the argument that HAL does not do research it only assembles unlike DRDO which does research, or something like that !


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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2011 21:06 
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^ So now you're ok with DRDO, but not with HAL? Let's establish that first.

Second, why would you (dis)qualify your statement with that disclaimer? You know it is the truth in any case. HAL is a manufacturer-assembler, and DRDO does not produce aircraft.

PS: No gripes about MoD or the user, IAF? No analysis of how much it would cost for local manufacturers to arrive at the same level of expertise (via R&D or IP purchase)?
Stop ranting, present a coherent solution - and don't give us bird's eyeview gyan - we get that everyday. Instead, list out the components that you think should be manufactured in India, and the private companies in the relevant sectors. Let's see how that works out.


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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2011 23:03 
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Gagan wrote:
Vic's handle is 'inspired' from the videshi penchant for shortening their names.
I protest, this is an imported inspiration.

What to do onlee.

ouch... :rotfl: :rotfl:
Nice one Gji


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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2011 23:09 
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Hari Nair Sir - Is it possible for BRFite jingo to hitch a ride in LCH/ALH? These days every foreign company is giving a ride to the reporters...

It will be really nice if a technically knowledgeable brfite gets a ride to write a detailed report (for civilians by civilians).


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PostPosted: 11 Apr 2011 02:15 
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Pandyan garu apart from Jingo, there should be one MSM reporter say Vishnu Some or even Shiv Aroor in the LCH. That way the video gets wide acceptance and simultaneously satiates our thirst for finer details. We need wider acceptance for our indigenization efforts and crown jewels. A small number of people(the rest dont even know the difference between assault or transport helicopter) after being shown the LCH/ALH video ask which country did we buy this from? That sad state has to go. Also a poster like that ecuadorian alh one :wink: will help a lot


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PostPosted: 11 Apr 2011 05:48 
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suryag wrote:
Pandyan garu apart from Jingo, there should be one MSM reporter say Vishnu Some or even Shiv Aroor in the LCH.


They will have to put a third seat in the LCH for that. Maybe we can get jingos to sit on the stub wings just like Amrikis on Apache no? Or sling naysayers off the pylons?


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PostPosted: 11 Apr 2011 07:54 
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: Sorry I meant one sortie with the MSM journalist and one with jingo


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BREAKING NEWS: Weaponized Dhruv to be "inducted" in Army Aviation Corps by this year itself.



Watch from 0:55 onwards.

I am very happy to hear this. Its a big news. :D
This also means that LCH will have much shorter and easier path towards weaponization.


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Just before the Officer is cut off he was saying something about induction of other variants of some helicopter, presumably Dhruv..
Now what other variants of Dhruv are in the offing, except for LCH???


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Was recently confirmed that that IA is looking to induct 110 LCHs.


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PostPosted: 17 May 2011 18:15 
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HAL plans to sell its advanced copters


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PostPosted: 18 May 2011 04:03 
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http://eenadu.net/panelhtml.asp?qrystr=htm/panel3.htm

link in telugu will change tomorrow.

HAL sends proposals to Andhra Pradesh Govt asking for 600 acres near an airport for building light 3 ton and heavy 12 ton helicopters with an investment of around 4000 crores. land expected near chittoor, anantapur or rangareddy districts.


Since the nuclear threads are locked. Putting the info here. The same link says

Proposals sent to AP govt to build a nuclear processing centre on the lines of nuclear fuel complex in hyderabad. Propose to process the uranium ore found in districts of cudapah, kurnool, anantapur at that location. asking for 250 hectares near Adoni town in Kurnool district with an investment of 1500 crores.

A high level conference to look into both proposals for the land will be soon held.


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PostPosted: 19 May 2011 08:07 
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Attack Choppers to Add Teeth to Indian Army's Strike Corps
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Attack Choppers to Add Teeth to Indian Army's Strike Corps
By N.C. Bipindra
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May 18

With the rapid evolution of battlefield concepts, the Indian Army is preparing to shore up its aviation wing with attack and tactical-lift capabilities to increase the punch of its three potent strike corps, a concept fine-tuned during a just-concluded war game in the Rajasthan desert close to the Pakistan border, defence analysts say.With the strike corps tasked to slice through the enemy's defences, the helicopters will supplement this by the quick insertion of fully-armed soldiers and their heavy weaponry, as also provide close air support to the troops and the armoured elements, a senior officer of the army's Ambala-based 2 Kharga Corps explained.

It was this transformational doctrine that was validated during the month-long exercise Vijayee Bhava (Be Victorious), even though the army does not operate any attack helicopters in its aviation wing at present and has to depend on the Indian Air Force (IAF) for them, the officer added.

"The strike corps trains for rapid mobilisation and resolute application. Mechanised (battle tanks and armoured personnel carriers) manoeuvres are the essence of offensive operations. In the future battlefield, air assets will play a decisive role. With the exponential increase in the air assets with the army and the air force, these will be employed in an integrated manner to gain a decisive edge in combat. This is the first time we have used the combat air assets in such an exercise," the officer told IANS, but speaking strictly on condition of anonymity as he was not supposed to speak to the media directly.

As per the army's plans for its aviation wing -- mooted in 2007 and to be implemented over a 15-year period ending 2022 -- the three strike corps would be beefed up with an aviation brigade comprising two squadrons of 12 attack helicopters each, apart from two squadrons with 15 choppers each for tactical battle reconnaissance and casualty evacuation, top army sources said.

Apart from the 1, 2 and 21 strike Corps, the army will also provide aviation brigades to each of its 10 pivot or defensive corps, but these would essentially be in the nature of tactical lift capabilities, with some offensive elements.


At present, the army relies on two squadrons of Mi-25 and Mi-35 attack helicopters and Mi-17 medium-lift choppers of the IAF for testing its transformational concepts.

Defence ministry officials, when asked about the army's aviation plans, said the IAF would continue to play a "strategic" role while the army would acquire its air assets for a "tactical" role.

The army, obviously, wants to have "full command and control" over the "tactical" operations of air assets so that it could meet its rapid deployment needs and for combat air support.

The army is already looking at procuring 114 of the indigenously-developed light combat helicopter (LCH), which took to the skies for the first time in March 2010, and 64 of which IAF is buying.

This apart, the army is in the process of acquiring 133 light utility helicopters for USD 1.9 billion, along with the IAF's 64 for USD 960 million, as part of a 197-chopper deal for which Eurocopter's AS550-C3 Fennec and Russia's Kamov Ka-226 are in the race. These would replace the 150 Cheetah and Chetak helicopters of 1970s vintage in the army aviation fleet which are extensively used for transportation in high-altitude areas, including the Siachen Glacier.

(N.C. Bipindra can be contacted at nc.bipindra@ians.in)
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PostPosted: 19 May 2011 13:07 
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HAL to add more prototypes to LCH


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PostPosted: 19 May 2011 18:38 
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Gaur wrote:
BREAKING NEWS: Weaponized Dhruv to be "inducted" in Army Aviation Corps by this year itself.


I am very happy to hear this. Its a big news. :D
This also means that LCH will have much shorter and easier path towards weaponization.


As per Hari Nair's last posts on the topic, no ATGM had been selected yet for the LCH (unless HELINA comes online in time). So what missile will the WSI Dhruv's be armed with? I think they'll have to make do with the chin-gun and Rocket pods for the time being.


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Heard a chopper flying over my whitefield company campus an hour ago. Distinctively different (less) rotor noise than the ALH and a whitish/brightish tail boom. Anyone saw the same bird and know what it was?


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PostPosted: 20 May 2011 21:51 
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the HAL heli training school has a small heli thats painted white with a tall mast for the main rotor.


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^^^ Robinson. At one point during Reagon-Bush Sr era, they wanted to start off a line in India.


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German Anti-Tank Missile Tested for India
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PostPosted: 21 May 2011 06:48 
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^^^The above report is pure DDM.
"The trials are being conducted to sway the Indian army to buy the weapon" :lol:
"Germany is buying 680 of the missiles to be delivered through 2014 under a 380 million euro contract."
The delivery to the German forces will be completed in 2014 onlee.
With the Nag being impressive in it's ground based tests providing perfect hits on targets it's time for the Army to order then in large numbers. Hope soon massive orders will be place like the way Akash was ordered.
When our own Helina is going to be provided for tests in the year 2013, the Army can start inducting it from 2013.
http://frontierindia.net/helina-air-to-surface-missile-to-be-ready-by-2013
The Dhruv will be able to fire Helina in 2013. Similarly we can expect the LCH also to have the capability to fire Helina by 2013. So both the IAF and IA can have large number of Helina's to take out enemy armour.


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Carpetbaggers, everyone rushing in to take a huge bite of the Indian Pie. This is worse than DDM, this is a motivated lie. IA/IAF is not even considering such a missile.


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everyone in europe is suffering funding cutbacks and lack of strong orders. so doing pole/lap/bar dances and shedding clothes as fast as they can to stay alive and make a living.

I wonder what happens to EU's strong objections to Indias cruel human rights record, oppression and murder of millions of dalits, killing of tens of millions of kashmiris and our 700k troops in J&K beating up everyone on a daily basis?


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PostPosted: 21 May 2011 08:48 
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Singha wrote:
I wonder what happens to EU's strong objections to Indias cruel human rights record, oppression and murder of millions of dalits, killing of tens of millions of kashmiris and our 700k troops in J&K beating up everyone on a daily basis?


...and you forgot about millions of Indians living on 2$s a day.


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^^ Ze Germany has already denied weapon systems meant for para-military forces in Chattisgarh and J&K citing poor HR record...Was widely reported in DDM some time back.


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India to receive 15 Russian Mi-17B-5 copters


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PostPosted: 22 May 2011 05:57 
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The plan to develop an unmanned version of ALH Druv (in a JV between HAL and IAI) is a great news, Eventhough it has been visualized for the Navy, it would be a great force-multiplier for the Army too. Imagine the strike corps sending a swarm of Unmanned ALH Druvs ahead of the main strike column to attack Paki Armoured columns and command HQs.

They will be decimated even before the first Indian soldier fires a shot.


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VinodTK wrote:


the article talks about this 15 being part of a larger order for 80 Mi-17s, offset nahi hai kya? there is an option for another 60 helos, hope the IAF takes up these options. We need loads of helos.

I hope India selects Apache attack helo and get to manufacture these in India!!!


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afaik this deal was signed well before the offset clause system came into effect.

chipanda meanwhile has started a license production line for Mi17v using a more powerful engine than the ones we get. so despite their Z-x heli photos they are looking to plug the big gap in their high alt rotor capability using the Mi17.


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http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/jai-hind-with-rocky-and-mayur/rocky-mayur-meet-the-garuds/195842
Rakshak,

It looks like IAF has Jury rigged Mi-17s (or is it a Chetak) as attack helicopters with Rocket Pods etc. in the above video (about Garuds) @ 6:09 mins, there is an excellent frontal shot of the Mi-17. Anyone has updates on this front. 116HU (Tank Busters) and 129HU (Nubra Warriors) seems to be the most likely units?

Any info would be hingly appreciated.


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PostPosted: 22 May 2011 17:41 
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cheenum wrote:
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/jai-hind-with-rocky-and-mayur/rocky-mayur-meet-the-garuds/195842
Rakshak,

It looks like IAF has Jury rigged Mi-17s (or is it a Chetak) as attack helicopters with Rocket Pods etc. in the above video (about Garuds) @ 6:09 mins, there is an excellent frontal shot of the Mi-17. Anyone has updates on this front. 116HU (Tank Busters) and 129HU (Nubra Warriors) seems to be the most likely units?

Any info would be hingly appreciated.


Mi 17s with rocket pods ssaw action in Kargil. Mi 17s with multiple machine guns firing out the side was demonstrated in Vayu Shakti 2010 - also the rocket pods in action. The videos are available online.


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PostPosted: 22 May 2011 19:43 
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There is nothing Jerry rigged about those rocket pod attachments.
That is the way the helo's designers attached them in the soviet days.


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