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Jhujar wrote:M & M are the main visible symbols of mythical Islam thus natural targets if they re-define the enemy in WOT. Muslims beileve that Allah protects both and if Amercano shatter this myth it will be half the curtain on this religion. Taking leaf out of islamic history, Rest can be accomplished by banning the Book, Beard and Burkha in public space.
Allah couldn't protect them from the Wahabis. It was the hated Ottomon Turks who removed the Wahabis by force and rebuilt the landmarks.
If you say Allah acted throught the Ottomon Turks then the Arab revolt of 1917 under kufr Lawarence was apostasy!
The kaaba was a meteorite rock that was not originally a perfect cuboid. Perhaps it was originally revered by stone age/bronze age populations because it "came from the sky" and could be fitted into the Egyptian concept of the semen of gods ["fiery"] as well as perhaps the typical phallic shape revered by most megalithic cultures. It was reshaped under the founder's orders for obvious reasons.
But the point to note is that - it could be "reshaped", even in pre-industrial age. It can reshaped again, no doubt. The theologians have taught us a lot of useful things - that whole cultures can be erased by destroying their texts, their icons, their cultural edifices, and those brains which would remember and interpret to regenerate the culture. This is the lesson of Islamism, and non-Muslims can learn from it too, can't they?
Also the stone is supposed to grow wings and fly away on the final day of destruction - when even the theology will be destroyed [to wait for Christ returning as a militant with sword and army].
An very elderly Muslim in our ancestral village who went to Haj and saw the 'meteorite' says it's not a meteorite..It's a Shiv ling. There are pics of it..and it does resemble exactly that. Look at the pics in the links here:
IF you see the few top pics in the links, the priests also still wear a Dhoti type contraption. The top part was broken and removed for repair..or something, when this picture was released. It's the first photo on the link page. Any one who has seen a Shiv ling will know this is one. There are no two ways about this.
Fairly robust indictment of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan by Tarek Fateh.
The reference to the Black African population is presumably that of the Siddi’s?:
For over a week, Lyari — inhabited mostly by Karachi’s Baloch and black African population, the indigenous residents of the city — was cut off from the outside world with no electricity, water, telephones or Internet links.
The government of Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari justifies this medieval siege by insisting the area is a hotbed of drug gangs and a crime mafia that has resisted the “writ of the state.”
This from a government that refuses to send its troops into North Waziristan, where a fully-equipped renegade army of the Taliban wages war on next-door Afghanistan.
And yes, where indeed is the Mohammadden Ummah hiding while co-relgionists are being slaughtered by co-religionists?:
“Are we Baloch Muslims children of a lesser God? Are we not as Muslim, as Palestinians or Arabs, to deserve an outcry by the Organization of Islamic Countries (OIC), to tell the Pakistan government to stop the massacre of its Baloch population?”
A course for U.S. military officers has been teaching that America’s enemy is Islam in general, not just terrorists, and suggesting that the country might ultimately have to obliterate the Islamic holy cities of Mecca and Medina without regard for civilian deaths
“They hate everything you stand for and will never coexist with you, unless you submit,” the instructor, Army Lt. Col. Matthew Dooley, said in a presentation last July for the course at Joint Forces Staff College in Norfolk, Virginia
His war plan suggests possible outcomes such as “Saudi Arabia threatened with starvation … Islam reduced to cult status” and the Muslim holy cities of Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia “destroyed.”
In what he termed a model for a campaign to force a transformation of Islam, Dooley called for “a direct ideological and philosophical confrontation with Islam,” with the presumption that Islam is an ideology rather than just a religion. He further asserted that Islam has already declared war on the West, and the U.S. specifically
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Reaction from Islamic world will be even more interesting.
harbans wrote:An very elderly Muslim in our ancestral village who went to Haj and saw the 'meteorite' says it's not a meteorite..It's a Shiv ling. There are pics of it..and it does resemble exactly that. Look at the pics in the links here:
IF you see the few top pics in the links, the priests also still wear a Dhoti type contraption. The top part was broken and removed for repair..or something, when this picture was released. It's the first photo on the link page. Any one who has seen a Shiv ling will know this is one. There are no two ways about this.
This is what I hinted at about megalithic phallic cultures. Any naturally occurring rock formation [terrestrial or extra] that looks like an erect phallus would be found to be symbolic of the creative "father". This was a common culture of neolithic all over the world - which therefore very well could have originated in India from where the major expansion most likely took place in the early-middle ice age. Shiva could have been part of the common culture that stretched from India to the Nile in immediate post ice age stage. Hence kaaba stone will generally appear as a shivling to an Indian. Actually old pre-Islamic Arabs were devi-deva worshipping folks and many temples abound in the area with phallic or fertility religions - some of which were destroyed by the founder and others taken over. There still exist phallic stones that pilgrims have to attend to now under a different and very ingenuous religious chicanery.
The kaaba was used to attract all pilgrimage to the place and hence yield religious income, with all rival distractions eliminated. To make the break with the past clear it was reshaped and given a more cuboid structure. The association of the moon [as male deity]- shiva- Ila-Ala has already long been speculated on.
harbans wrote:An very elderly Muslim in our ancestral village who went to Haj and saw the 'meteorite' says it's not a meteorite..It's a Shiv ling. There are pics of it..and it does resemble exactly that. Look at the pics in the links here:
When I clicked the link what struck me is that all photographs of the stone show it framed by an odd-shaped metal-grey frame with a central window. The first thought that struck me was why have they made such an odd looking frame. And medical student or doctor who has peered from up close at the external genital organs of a human female with the sides held open will see a similar picture. I did not want to comment on it but that resemblance has not gone unnoticed and there are dozens of references to the connection that shape. Apparently the frame is an exact copy of the stone beneath and is merely protective. The video below explains - but read the warning.
shiv ji,
it was the site for at least one male god and one or two female goddesses. Some think that the 1+max 4 formula emerged from a 1+4 setup around the stone. Originally a place of fertility cults. Think shivaling and gauri-paat [the combined form sometimes used in India with ling embedded in yoni]. Many dismiss the story of Arabs making a propaganda excuse of attacking Somnath for the female goddesses having escaped to Somnath and taking shelter there. However there could be a different underlying story here. It is either a recognition of an older tradition of religious icon sharing/origins with Somnath, or the very Indian tradition of icons/idols being taken away by fleeing priests/families and put in shelter of bigger temple establishments.
brihaspati wrote:shiv ji,
it was the site for at least one male god and one or two female goddesses. Some think that the 1+max 4 formula emerged from a 1+4 setup around the stone. Originally a place of fertility cults. Think shivaling and gauri-paat [the combined form sometimes used in India with ling embedded in yoni]. Many dismiss the story of Arabs making a propaganda excuse of attacking Somnath for the female goddesses having escaped to Somnath and taking shelter there. However there could be a different underlying story here. It is either a recognition of an older tradition of religious icon sharing/origins with Somnath, or the very Indian tradition of icons/idols being taken away by fleeing priests/families and put in shelter of bigger temple establishments.
Right about the Yoni+Ling part - but at least it is openly acknowledged and not hidden. Yes, you may well be right about the true motivation for the Somnath vandalism. The appearance of that black stone is too obvious to be missed.
and they have the nerve to relegate women to lowest in their society after
1) believers
2) non-believers
3) slaves
4) male child
5) Women
2,3,4 can change status.
A Non-Believer can convert
A slave can be freed
A male child can grow up.
But women don't change their status despite the Kaaba stones real meaning!
It seems saudi barbaria has always been sex conscious (explained and said by many members here) , that's something that even islam and its Mo are quite conscious about. I wonder how much of this was actually related to sexual things in india... maybe this yoni+Ling was seen as some continuity of life or indestructible nature of Lord Shiva? Or maybe, the tall statue symbolized some connection to heaven (in earlier days, lingam used to be much taller than they are today.... ).If Hindus took their religion to barbaria, the kabaa being Shiv Lingam makes sense,,, maybe the sexual part can be explained by the perverted behavior of Saudi's toward sex??
harbans wrote:An very elderly Muslim in our ancestral village who went to Haj and saw the 'meteorite' says it's not a meteorite..It's a Shiv ling. There are pics of it..and it does resemble exactly that. Look at the pics in the links here:
When I clicked the link what struck me is that all photographs of the stone show it framed by an odd-shaped metal-grey frame with a central window. The first thought that struck me was why have they made such an odd looking frame. And medical student or doctor who has peered from up close at the external genital organs of a human female with the sides held open will see a similar picture. I did not want to comment on it but that resemblance has not gone unnoticed and there are dozens of references to the connection that shape. Apparently the frame is an exact copy of the stone beneath and is merely protective. The video below explains - but read the warning.
LOL very interesting. Maybe the Hajj symbolizes a journey back to the womb?
Islamic scholarship says that the word "Allah" does derive from a female Arabic root. Also, the word for "self" or "soul" in the Qur'an (dhaat - Urdu "zaat") is female, often used to refer to the identity of God. However, they refer to the male principle with the particle "Hu", as in Allah Hu.
OARN, medieval Europeans characterized the Islamic God as a "termagant".
ter·ma·gant /ˈtɜrməgənt/ Show Spelled[tur-muh-guhnt] noun
1. a violent, turbulent, or brawling woman.
2. ( initial capital letter ) a mythical deity popularly believed in the Middle Ages to be worshiped by the Muslims and introduced into the morality play as a violent, overbearing personage in long robes.
Professor Malcolm Gillies, vice chancellor of London Metropolitan University, has proposed ‘alcohol-free zones’ on campus, where booze cannot be bought or consumed, on the basis that 20 per cent of the students are Muslims.
ISLAMABAD, (SANA): Ex-senator and Naib Amir Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Prof. Khurshid Ahmad, in a press statement from Leicester, U.K. condemned in the strongest terms the clandestine efforts, which according to reports were going on since long in the US Military Establishment, to indoctrinate their Armed Forces against Islam and the Muslims.
According to the Christian Post report, which a section of press has carried in Pakistan, the Pentagon has revealed that it discontinued late last month a controversial military course that portrayed Islam as an enemy and suggested “total war” as the only way to dealing with the Muslims.
X Posted from the “Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012” thread.
Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden religious inspired blood-letting in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a country that claims it is an Ideological Muslim State and Safe haven for the Mohammaddensof the Indian sub-Continent .
Cleric belonging to Mohammadden Sunni Sect and Deobandi sub-sect is gunned down in Karachi.
Two questions ………….
A case of sectarian Shia versus Sunni blood-letting or a case of sub-sectraian Sunni Barelvi versus Sunni Deobandi blood-letting?
How on earth do those living in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan believe that the not infrequent killing of Mohammadden Cleric’s in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan by their co-religionist's does nothing to detract from the narrative that "Islam is a Religion of Peace" in the wider Non-Mohammadden “Kaafir” world?
ISLAMABAD, (SANA): Ex-senator and Naib Amir Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Prof. Khurshid Ahmad, in a press statement from Leicester, U.K. condemned in the strongest terms the clandestine efforts, which according to reports were going on since long in the US Military Establishment, to indoctrinate their Armed Forces against Islam and the Muslims.
According to the Christian Post report, which a section of press has carried in Pakistan, the Pentagon has revealed that it discontinued late last month a controversial military course that portrayed Islam as an enemy and suggested “total war” as the only way to dealing with the Muslims.
Carlji,
Iam dumbstruck with reaction of muslims over this incident. A call to destruct the holiest place of Islam (mecca) gets a delayed and mild reaction from muslims. The mohammed cartoons and Osama operation generated anger and virulent response from muslims.
I fail to understand what is happening with islamic world? Is islam as a religion losing steam?
Excellent question. It may be because they know it is eminently doable. U like the destruction of the Vatican or Somnath, this will make being true Muslim difficult if not impossible.
It is the ultimate test of their gods.
A brilliant poster on BRF has suggested that Indian missiles should be targeted against Saudia as there is no compellence in targeting anything in pakistan.
Although these are plays unpleasant, gaming them is essential to rational decision making.
sanjaykumar wrote:
A brilliant poster on BRF has suggested that Indian missiles should be targeted against Saudia as there is no compellence in targeting anything in pakistan.
So that they target Tirumala hills? Who is this Brilliant poster if I may dare ask?
sanjaykumar wrote:
A brilliant poster on BRF has suggested that Indian missiles should be targeted against Saudia as there is no compellence in targeting anything in pakistan.
So that they target Tirumala hills? Who is this Brilliant poster if I may dare ask?
If they have the opportunity or the capacity - they will target Tirumala Hills anyway, regardless of whether you are targeting Saudia.
By having holy spots whose destruction is === destruction of the entire nation, we are tying ourselves into exactly the same Abrahamic bind that Muslims or Christians or Jews suffer from. On the other hand if such a destruction is consciously not equal to the destruction of your nationhood as a cultural identity that has many more qualifiers apart from Tirumala, then it gives a great tactical advantage against an enemy that does hold such === for themselves.
In this case, as sanjaykumar garu says - destruction is proof of the weakness or non-existence of their gods.
Brihaspathi garu
If we classify military targets as (a) strategic target, (b) tactical target (c) target of opportunity
Am I understanding correctly that Saudia is a strategic target for us where as Tirumala is a target of opportunity for them because Tirumala is only one of over two dozen holy sites in India and will not affect our Nation or Religion significantly?
I will wait for your answer .
Altair
Today in History – May 15
1718 – James Puckle, a London lawyer, obtains the world’s first machine gun patent. It fires round bullets against Christian enemies, but against Muslims it fires square bullets. At least that was the premise. It wasn’t practical for anything. What do you expect from a lawyer?
1948 – Following the demise of the British Mandate of Palestine, Egypt, Transjordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Saudi Arabia attack Israel. Israel is one day old and fighting for its very life. Sixty-three years later, they are still the ONLY democracy in the region.
1974 – Palestinian terrorists take a school in Ma’alot, Israel and bravely slaughter 30 people, including 22 high school students in a move to establish the moral superiority of the Palestinian cause
Question: Kaluchuck Massacre and Was the first shot in Kargil fired on May15?
CHENNAI: There are two things that worry almost every patient from Islamic countries who come to Indian hospitals: the meat they eat and the direction of Mecca. With more than 75% of the medical tourists being from the Middle East, hospitals are eyeing 'halal' certification to make them feel at home.
On Monday, Chennai-based Global Health City said it has became the first in the country to receive the 'halal' certification from the Halal Development Authority. The certification would mean they get 'halal' meat in food and have 'quiblah' (the direction of Mecca) signs in every room and prayer hall. Muslims offer prayers facing 'quiblah.' At least five leading hospital groups in the country including Apollo Hospitals and Fortis are in talks with the authority, said Halal India general manager Mohamed Noman Lateef. In Chennai, Mehta Hospitals and Lifeline Hospitals have also sent applications for the certification. Halal India, is an independent Halal Certification body which is recognised by the Indian government and deals with certification of food, cosmetics and drugs as per the Shariah law. Halal is anything that is legal or lawful for Muslims. In terms of meat, halal applies to the kind of meat (pork is banned), their health condition and the way they are killed. The butcher must make a recitation to God and cut the jugular vein, carotid artery and the windpipe with a sharp knife. The animal can't be stunned before it is killed.
What next? Only true believing doctors can treat these patients? Kaffir nurses and doctors should exclude themselves from interacting with the patient? Males doctors cannot treat believing wimmens or all nurses will be required to wear burqas, lest some Arabs get a hard-on? Will blood donations also have to be certified halaal as being from a believer?
For all those Middle Easterners who are so hyper sensitive, they can choose to go to any other Islamic country to get treated. Why come to kaffir countries like India to experience the talents of kaffir healthcare professionals?
I wonder what these folks were doing in the past when they were still nomads and bumpkins? How did they manage the direction to Mecca other than a guesstimate? If they are not sure of the meat as being halaal, they can enjoy some wonderful vegetarian Indian food or seafood (Chennai has very good seafood)!
It would be impossible to maintain the common shariati halaal practices in a modern hospital setting. Simple things will cause a lot of mess. For example strictly speaking you have to "clean" mijjile after urination with stone, or that the surgeons/doctors/nurses must be wearing complete perspiration blockers. The greatest obstacle would of course be when the patients namaaz becomes due. Imagine having to stop procedures half way.
If they have to go so strictly by "law" as maulanas insist on items dealing with women and kaffir, then they cannot allow foregoing namaaz under any circumstances except certain conditions in women, and during war. Some of the maulanas holding the liberal bastion in the west of course hand wave on this.
ramana wrote:Is seafood hallal? How do they justify all those fisherman netting seafood?
Different sects have different rules.
Hanabali - eel/eel like shapes haram
Maliki - everything goes
Shafi - amphibians/reptiles haraam [no alligator kebab, no frog legs]
Hanafi - must be fish "shaped" and lives entirely in water [so double dealers like crabs, crustaceans, mollusca haraam]
RCase wrote:What next? Only true believing doctors can treat these patients? Kaffir nurses and doctors should exclude themselves from interacting with the patient?
Believing Dr can suspend the heart/ brain suregery in prayer time and resume afterward. Patients feet cant be toward the Qibla and time clock in recovery room to be alligned with Mecca. Next step, Halal Medicine and Hallal diagnostic equipments without any kuffar parts and touch.
Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence as followers of the Mohammadden Sunni Sect and followers of the Mohammadden Shia sect and Alawaite sub-sect have a go at killing each other in Lebanon:
CHENNAI: There are two things that worry almost every patient from Islamic countries who come to Indian hospitals: the meat they eat and the direction of Mecca. With more than 75% of the medical tourists being from the Middle East, hospitals are eyeing 'halal' certification to make them feel at home.
On Monday, Chennai-based Global Health City said it has became the first in the country to receive the 'halal' certification from the Halal Development Authority. The certification would mean they get 'halal' meat in food and have 'quiblah' (the direction of Mecca) signs in every room and prayer hall. Muslims offer prayers facing 'quiblah.' At least five leading hospital groups in the country including Apollo Hospitals and Fortis are in talks with the authority, said Halal India general manager Mohamed Noman Lateef. In Chennai, Mehta Hospitals and Lifeline Hospitals have also sent applications for the certification. Halal India, is an independent Halal Certification body which is recognised by the Indian government and deals with certification of food, cosmetics and drugs as per the Shariah law. Halal is anything that is legal or lawful for Muslims. In terms of meat, halal applies to the kind of meat (pork is banned), their health condition and the way they are killed. The butcher must make a recitation to God and cut the jugular vein, carotid artery and the windpipe with a sharp knife. The animal can't be stunned before it is killed.
Shouldn't there be a reservation quota of beds for minorities before we cater to foreigners?
Add to these the idea that its cult worshipping female parts.
So it has multiple layers to be peeled.
They needed a holy place and Mecca with its Kaaba, the site of cult was available for seizure. So it was usurped and Judeo-Christian ideas of female subservience were incorporated even though Muhammad owes his fortune to his wife Khadija and all his progeny are female!
