China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 17 Dec 2012 10:11

^^It is caused by bunch of insecure chinese posters who have a serious inferiority complex. Any negative news about China would make them jump up and start trolling instantly.

nash · Post by **nash** » 17 Dec 2012 13:13

Chinese poster, most of the time post inline picture or a link with full detail in Quote.And if any one ask something about their product or critize them, they go nuts and started posting irrelevant things, which is basically trolling. God knows do they know the meaning of discussion or is it something else in chinese.

I never seen a chinese poster discussing things in this forum or anywhere.Everywhere they go with their usual copy-paste and expect people to applaud them.

It would be better if at-least in BR we disable feature of inline image posting for them and also told them to refrain from posting link with its full detail.If they able to abide then aal izz well, otherwise Admin have to use their boot.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Dec 2012 14:41

We like to play by our rules. Our rules are talk talk talk, discuss fact, theory etc. The Chinese like drama. They pay great attention to visual impressions - and love the impressions that visual images make. From the 1990s we have had posts of images of tanks in their hundreds in immaculate lines extending out into the distance, ships synchronously launching hundreds of missiles or immaculate marching columns of the same size, appearance and timing.As long as those images were having their desired effect the Chinese were not trolling. As a nation we put less effort into visual images and show sloppy pictures with tiffin box, chappals, nimboos under wheels etc. Honest pics, but not shakinah. We don't even know that we do this - we just do it and then get impressed by Chinese pics.

By stopping inline images we are asking the Chinese to move out of their comfort zone and move into ours where we feel comfortable screwing them. They will not do that. The thing to do is to screw them in their comfort zone. Once we do that they start hitting below the belt and talking about Indian poverty, dirt, economy, trains etc. So there is no loss in having a China military thread like this. There are serious threads that people visit. The China Military thread with what the Chinese are saying will speak for itself.

It is important to see what China has beyond drama, hype, the bluster of a bully and messages/images delivered to have a sudden scary/surprise effect on people. That can only be done by allowing them to do what they know best but not allowing it to have the effect they desire. In the long term, if the Chinese need to deliver a military message they should either make war which everyone can see, or talk on our terms.

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 17 Dec 2012 14:45

This is a precious moment for this thread. +1 for banning inline images on this thread.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 17 Dec 2012 15:02

shiv wrote:......... In the long term, if the Chinese need to deliver a military message they should either make war which everyone can see, or talk on our terms.

Shiv guru , you are asking these 50-cent trolls to start a war or talk on your terms. These poor pakis are here to make a living through copy-paste . War or diplomacy is not their turf.Their 50-cent duty is just to post big inline shiny images and shock and awe the Indian mind into admiring the gleat leap folwald in ploducing cheap junk cloned stuff for chinese militaly. Their ploblem is we ain't implessed by theil shiny junk.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 17 Dec 2012 15:15

I think that picture of Musharaff and his begum, petting the panda should become the opening post of any Chinese thread. Let the 50-centers know that they are in the wrong place if they want to Indians to pet their panda; they need to to a TSPian forum.

Christopher Sidor · Post by **Christopher Sidor** » 17 Dec 2012 18:06

This is a forum about Chinese Military and its capabilities. Let us stick to the topic at hand.

Mods this forum has crossed 100 pages. Can this be archived and a new thread be started, please?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 17 Dec 2012 18:30

archived ??? for what ?

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 17 Dec 2012 20:51

Harshad wrote:What types of Multicalibre rifles does China make?

They have one they call it "Ding Dong" and Indians call it "Babaji Ka Ghanta".

wrdos wrote:Dear friends, let's stop here, it is enough.

Absolutely, stop trolling around, start playing by the rules and sanity will return to this thread (if ever there was one).

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Dec 2012 21:05

shiv wrote:We like to play by our rules. Our rules are talk talk talk, discuss fact, theory etc. The Chinese like drama. They pay great attention to visual impressions - and love the impressions that visual images make. From the 1990s we have had posts of images of tanks in their hundreds in immaculate lines extending out into the distance, ships synchronously launching hundreds of missiles or immaculate marching columns of the same size, appearance and timing.As long as those images were having their desired effect the Chinese were not trolling. As a nation we put less effort into visual images and show sloppy pictures with tiffin box, chappals, nimboos under wheels etc. Honest pics, but not shakinah. We don't even know that we do this - we just do it and then get impressed by Chinese pics.

By stopping inline images we are asking the Chinese to move out of their comfort zone and move into ours where we feel comfortable screwing them. They will not do that. The thing to do is to screw them in their comfort zone. Once we do that they start hitting below the belt and talking about Indian poverty, dirt, economy, trains etc. So there is no loss in having a China military thread like this. There are serious threads that people visit. The China Military thread with what the Chinese are saying will speak for itself.

It is important to see what China has beyond drama, hype, the bluster of a bully and messages/images delivered to have a sudden scary/surprise effect on people. That can only be done by allowing them to do what they know best but not allowing it to have the effect they desire. In the long term, if the Chinese need to deliver a military message they should either make war which everyone can see, or talk on our terms.

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ashi · Post by **ashi** » 17 Dec 2012 22:04

shiv wrote:We like to play by our rules. Our rules are talk talk talk, discuss fact, theory etc. The Chinese like drama. They pay great attention to visual impressions - and love the impressions that visual images make. From the 1990s we have had posts of images of tanks in their hundreds in immaculate lines extending out into the distance, ships synchronously launching hundreds of missiles or immaculate marching columns of the same size, appearance and timing.As long as those images were having their desired effect the Chinese were not trolling. As a nation we put less effort into visual images and show sloppy pictures with tiffin box, chappals, nimboos under wheels etc. Honest pics, but not shakinah. We don't even know that we do this - we just do it and then get impressed by Chinese pics.

By stopping inline images we are asking the Chinese to move out of their comfort zone and move into ours where we feel comfortable screwing them. They will not do that. The thing to do is to screw them in their comfort zone. Once we do that they start hitting below the belt and talking about Indian poverty, dirt, economy, trains etc. So there is no loss in having a China military thread like this. There are serious threads that people visit. The China Military thread with what the Chinese are saying will speak for itself.

It is important to see what China has beyond drama, hype, the bluster of a bully and messages/images delivered to have a sudden scary/surprise effect on people. That can only be done by allowing them to do what they know best but not allowing it to have the effect they desire. In the long term, if the Chinese need to deliver a military message they should either make war which everyone can see, or talk on our terms.

Didn't see you bother by the inline pictures in the trolling thread you create--Chinese positive military news. Yeah why not banning all the pictures so we don't need to see the facts? By talking we can do name calling, mock, distort facts.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 17 Dec 2012 22:09

ashi, you can post images there in that thread

. Not in this. Take a look, wong already started doing it. He is beating you. Your turn to show more patriotism.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Dec 2012 22:10

ashi wrote: Didn't see you bother by the inline pictures in the trolling thread you create--Chinese positive military news. Yeah why not banning all the pictures so we don't need to see the facts? By talking we can do name calling, mock, distort facts.

You are revealing your own inability to digest what I have written which seems to be much worse than your ability to expose the state of my digestion. Nowhere have I asked that inline pictures be banned. I want that to continue.

aditp · Post by **aditp** » 19 Dec 2012 07:42

Manila hails Navy chief’s stand on South China Sea

NEW DELHI: Navy chief, Admiral D K Joshi's recent comment on the South China Sea may not have warmed hearts in China, or in the South Block, but they have bolstered India's standing among Asean countries.

Welcoming the underlying sentiment as part of India's Look East policy, vice-president of the Philippines, Jejomar Cabauatan Binay, told TOI in an exclusive conversation, "In the present day, these issues are no longer of parochial interest. Freedom of navigation and lawful commerce are universal interests. The statement of the Admiral is a confirmation that it is a problem that India cannot turn its back to."

Last week, Admiral Joshi had responded to journalists' questions on the Navy's preparedness, saying, "Are we preparing for it? Are we having exercises of that nature? The short answer is "Yes. We, of course, will need government clearance. Should a requirement come, I am sure we will have that clearance,'' he said. The comment came even as National Security Advisor (NSA) Shivshankar Menon was in Beijing working on a border agreement with his counterpart Dai Bingguo. The ministry of external affairs (MEA) was livid and the blame was swiftly passed on to an "irresponsible" media after the comment reverberated in various parts of the world.

The Philippines, of course, is in a unique position and in direct line of fire. The sea that China describes as South China Sea is known locally as West Philippines Sea — China and the Philippines have faced off over the Scarborough Shoal earlier this year, sparking fears of a larger regional conflict. Although the Philippines has activated a mutual defence pact with the US, Manila's response to India, said analysts, could be a sign that the region was looking for a credible balancing power.

Recently, the Philippines "sought clarification from Beijing" after a news report suggested that from January, 2013, local police would engage in "search and seizure" of ships within China's claim line.

"But we haven't received any confirmation. Other countries too have sought a clarification," Binay said.

Making a big pitch for increased Indian investment in the Philippines, the vice-president said, "We look forward to Indian investment, tourism and culture. We also welcome Indian pharmaceuticals into Philippines, because India is very advanced in this sector. But more than that, we want to have a deeper political and security relationship with India."

However, the Philippines is also clear that the recent troubles are not the defining point of their bilateral relationship with China. Like India, the Philippines has a very deep and intricate relationship with China. Binay said, "The relationship is multifaceted. After all they are our neighbours. There has been continuous dialogue at the foreign ministry level. President Aquino met President Hu Jintao and they agreed this cannot be the sum total of relations between China and the Philippines."

nits · Post by **nits** » 19 Dec 2012 12:02

Amid China tensions, Southeast Asia looks to India

ome ASEAN countries contest claims by China in the waters, making it the biggest potential flashpoint in the region. The United States has called for calm, but some ASEAN nations are also looking to India, the other regional heavyweight, to get involved.

"They want India to play a larger role. Those concerns are only increasing given the uncertain situation that is emerging," said C. Raja Mohan, a strategic affairs expert at the Observer Research Foundation think-tank. The first meeting of ASEAN leaders in India is a watershed in India's efforts to build ties with Southeast Asia.

The prime ministers of Singapore, Cambodia, Malaysia and Vietnam, the presidents of Myanmar and Indonesian, and the vice president of the Philippines are scheduled to attend. The other nations in the group are Thailand, Laos, and Brunei.

India walks a delicate line to balance its increasingly close partnership with Washington as President Barack Obama steps up the U.S. presence in Asian, and the reality of living next door to China, Asia's fastest-growing superpower.

Ian Storey, senior fellow of the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore, said India had yet to impress many ASEAN partners, despite strong ties to Vietnam,

"India is not a serious player in Southeast Asia, it has aspirations to be a player, but it has a long way to go," he said. "A common view is that India talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk."

ashi · Post by **ashi** » 20 Dec 2012 10:04

China successfully launches Turkish earth observation satellite

According to China Aerospace Science and Technology Corp, China aims to take up 10 per cent of the international satellite market and 15 per cent in the world's commercial launch field by the end of 2015.

China successfully sent 28 satellites or spacecraft into space through 19 launches this year, it said, adding that the most significant achievement was seen in June with the country's first manned space docking maneuvers.

Next year, China will carry out a manned space docking test between orbiting target module Tiangong-1 and the Shenzhou-10 spacecraft.

The country plans to send nearly 20 satellites into space in 2013.

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 20 Dec 2012 10:41

nits wrote:
Ian Storey, senior fellow of the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore, said India had yet to impress many ASEAN partners, despite strong ties to Vietnam,

"India is not a serious player in Southeast Asia, it has aspirations to be a player, but it has a long way to go," he said. "A common view is that India talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk."

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Forget south east asia..the indian govt is not a serious player in INDIA itself.

kish · Post by **kish** » 20 Dec 2012 12:49

China makes 500 doomsday cult arrests

Chinese police have arrested more than 500 members of a doomsday cult for spreading rumours about the imminent end of the world, state media say.

At least 400 followers of the Almighty God Christian group were detained in western Qinghai province in recent days. Dozens more were held elsewhere.

China's state news agency Xinhua describes the Almighty God Christian group as a cult, saying it was established in 1990 in Henan.

They have successfully managed to describe Christians as cult followers.

Don · Post by **Don** » 20 Dec 2012 20:04

kish wrote:
Saw the master plan in yesterday's new. 22 chinese children chopped by the chinese man.

But not as bad as the way women are treated in your country, things are sooo bad most of it does not even make the news.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/artic ... -is-common

Gang rape sparks public fury in India, but violence against women is common

Published on Wednesday December 19, 2012

Raveena Aulakh
Staff reporter

NEW DELHI, INDIA—The city exploded in fury on Wednesday at the news of the savage rape and beating of a 23-year-old student.

Incensed protesters, mostly young men and women, surrounded a police station, blocked a major highway, set up roadblocks in the capital. India's Parliament erupted in condemnation. There were calls for fast-track courts for rapists, and to make rapists eligible for the death penalty.

"We want people to feel the pain of what women go through every day," Aditi Roy, a Delhi University student, told the Associated Press.

On Sunday at about 9 p.m., a student and her male friend were on their way home in south Delhi after watching a movie. As a bus pulled over, they stepped in, believing it was public transit.

It was a private bus taken for a joyride by the driver and five friends.

One of the driver's friends soon got into an argument with the woman over why she was out with a man at night and the men on the bus decided to "teach her a lesson."
Over the next hour, the woman was gang-raped and beaten with iron rods as the bus drove around south Delhi. Her male friend was also beaten. Then they stripped her and threw them both out of the bus.

The young woman suffered severe injuries to her head and intestines, and required multiple surgeries.

While the fury is unprecedented, crimes against women aren't. Newspapers in India are full of such stories every day.

Two weeks ago, Delhi newspapers reported that a young, married woman was murdered because she rebuffed advances by her husband's male relative. She was bludgeoned to death in her home.

A 32-year-old woman was beaten to death in a village earlier this month in Bihar, one of the most populous and poorest states in India. According to reports, she was allegedly having an "affair" and the village panchayat — a local government at the village level — gave the "death sentence."

But one of the most shocking stories came out in June when newspapers and TV broadcasters extensively reported on a man in Indore in Madhya Pradesh state who kept his wife's genitals locked. The man, Sohan Lal Chouhan, 38, reportedly pierced holes on either side of her genitals and before he went to work every morning, he would insert a small lock and take the keys with him.

Is India no country for women?

There is no simple answer but India has been labelled the worst place to be a woman among the G20 countries, due to infanticide, child marriage and dowry deaths, a poll of global experts concluded in June. (The same poll put Canada at the top.)

In another poll by Reuters, India was ranked the fourth most dangerous country in the world for women, behind Afghanistan, Congo and Pakistan and ahead of Somalia.

The statistics are troubling:

More than 12 million girls have been aborted in India in the past three decades because parents prefer sons and do not want to pay a dowry, according to a study by medical journal the Lancet.

47 per cent of India's women between the ages of 20 and 24 were married before the legal age of 18, according to UNICEF's 2009 State of the World's Children report.

Crimes against women are on the rise, according to the National Crime Records Bureau in India. There was a 7.1 per cent hike in recorded crimes against women between 2010 and 2011. A story in the Hindustan Times on Dec. 5 said 580 cases of rape had been reported as of Oct. 24 this year, up from 482 in the same time period in 2011.

As many as 57 per cent of male adolescents and 53 per cent of female adolescents believe a husband is justified in beating up his wife under certain circumstances, according to a UNICEF 2012 report.

In New Delhi, local police have been quoted in the media saying that a woman is raped every 18 hours and molested every 14 hours in the capital city. Hundreds of other attacks are never reported.
Women are discriminated against at every stage of life, from the time they are conceived, says Kamayani Bali Mahabal, a lawyer and women's rights activist in Mumbai.

"If she is not aborted, she is in for a tough life where she has to fight for education and faces Eve-teasing (catcalls, groping and other public sexual harassment), rape and molestation," she said. "If she falls in love with the wrong guy, there is honour killing. When she is married, she could be killed for bringing inadequate dowry."

India is the world's largest democracy. It is where Indira Gandhi made history as the country's first female prime minister in 1966. Today the Italian-born Sonia Gandhi is the president of the Indian National Congress, one of the major political parties, and chairwoman of the ruling coalition. Three other powerful women — Jayalalitha Jayaram, Mamata Banerjee and Mayawati Kumari— lead their parties.

But India is also a patriarchal society where violence against women is rooted in age-old beliefs that they are not equal to men. Despite the country's remarkable growth as an economic power in the past two decades, women are still largely seen as objects and treated as such. As more women leave their homes to join the workforce, crimes against them are increasing.

Uma Chakravarti, a professor at Delhi University who has written on gender issues, blames it on growing intolerance by men. She says men need to be gender-sensitized.

"From the time they are born, boys are made to believe they are superior," she said. "If there is a son and a daughter, they are not raised equally, not even in urban areas."

Urvashi Butalia, a well-known Delhi author and women's rights activist, says improving the country's infrastructure will help keep women safe.

"Good transportation systems or well-lit streets will make a girl feel safer while travelling on her own. That is what the state can do."

Addressing cultural baggage is important and it is possible through education, says Butalia. But that is something families should do with their children, she says.

"They have to be educated, right from when they are kids, that girls and boys are equal."

Despite the grim statistics, Mahabal sees hope for India's women.

"Women are coming out and reporting now," she said. "Yes, there are more reports of rape, sexual harassment, demands for dowry. I see that as empowerment - it was something they didn't do two decades ago.

"They are standing up against tyranny and for themselves."

Meanwhile, the 23-year-old victim of the brutal gang rape on the bus is still fighting for life.

Four of her alleged rapists have been arrested; two are on the run.

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 20 Dec 2012 20:08

The number is 1000
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-20794276

Add to it the chinki trend of eating aborted fetuses. Disgusting.

http://www.globalnews.ca/security+video ... story.html

Another lunatic..

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 20 Dec 2012 20:16

http://www.laht.com/article.asp?Article ... ryId=12395

The J-7 was being produced till 2006? Are they planning on keeping them till 2030?

kish · Post by **kish** » 20 Dec 2012 22:06

Don wrote:
kish wrote:
Saw the master plan in yesterday's new. 22 chinese children chopped by the chinese man.

But not as bad as the way women are treated in your country, things are sooo bad most of it does not even make the news.

he he he. You are equating communist part workers to criminals.

How does this work. The communist party official demand your daughters, you just send them to their place or do they send a vehicle to pick up girls.

Anyways thanks for accepting communist party workers are criminals.

China rape arrest after web anger

Chinese authorities have arrested a former Communist Party official for rape, after widespread outrage among web users.

Officials said Li Xingong, a former senior official in the central city of Yongcheng, had confessed during a police interrogation.

He was accused of raping 10 girls.

Take another one here from your own news source...

Congress deputy in NE China removed from post following rape scandal

A People's Congress deputy from a city in northeast China's Heilongjiang Province has been sacked after a female journalist accused him of rape, authorities confirmed Monday.

Worse than that, the victim's mother has been sent to labor camp. Poor victims.

Mother of underage rape victim released from Chinese labor camp

Tang Hui, a mother of underage rape victim, is interviewed by Xinhua reporter after being released from a labor camp in Yongzhou City, central China's Hunan Province, Aug. 10, 2012. Tang was sent to the Reeducation Through Labor Center in Yongzhou on Aug. 2 to serve an 18-month sentence for "seriously disturbing social order and exerting a negative impact on society" after she protested in front of local government buildings, complaining that the municipal police department had falsified evidence to reduce the sentences of those who kidnapped and raped her 11-year-old daughter, and forced her into prostitution.

kish · Post by **kish** » 20 Dec 2012 22:28

China celebrating 75 years since rape of nanking.

China marks Nanjing massacre amid tense Japan ties

Paramilitary policemen carry wreaths as they march during a ceremony marking the 75th anniversary of the start of the Nanjing Massacre at the Nanjing Massacre Museum, Jiangsu province, Dec 13, 2012. China marked 75 years since Japan's Nanjing massacre, also known as the "Rape of Nanking", when Japanese troops killed more than 300,000 people, local media reported

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 20 Dec 2012 22:38

^^^ Kish, this is a horrible post ... no matter what, please don't stoop to the level of using a horrible massacre to push your point.

kish · Post by **kish** » 20 Dec 2012 22:44

Indranil Ji, edited the title and removed the smilies. The rest of it is from chinese news sources, posted as it is.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 21 Dec 2012 00:12

mahadevbhu wrote:Forget south east asia..the indian govt is not a serious player in INDIA itself.

This is supposed to be sarcasm right? If not, I have only one thing to say; useful idiot to the rescue!!!!!!!

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 21 Dec 2012 02:28

kish wrote:Indranil Ji, edited the title and removed the smilies. The rest of it is from chinese news sources, posted as it is.

Thanks a lot. Massacres like that are a blotch on humanity. Let's not get there.

I have just one thing to say about this thread. Why the hell are you guys responding to the trolls?!!!! We have 50-60 page of utter nonsense! We will gain nothing by winning whose d*ick is bigger contest with these lunatics. Let them enjoy their fantasies!

ashi · Post by **ashi** » 21 Dec 2012 09:19

indranilroy wrote:
Thanks a lot. Massacres like that are a blotch on humanity. Let's not get there.

I have just one thing to say about this thread. Why the hell are you guys responding to the trolls?!!!! We have 50-60 page of utter nonsense! We will gain nothing by winning whose d*ick is bigger contest with these lunatics. Let them enjoy their fantasies!

One can just count who do the most posts in the "Chinese Positive Military News" thread and he would know who are the trolls. Trolls get a free pass there and that's fine, I hope they stay there. Kish post something about China banning a Cult in this thread. How does that related to Chinese military? Does that consider trolling? Can he move that to the appropriate thread or the trolling thread?

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 21 Dec 2012 10:43

Lest, you forget ... This is Bharat Rakshak, an Indian defense forum ... You come here and instigate people ... What do you expect?

ashi · Post by **ashi** » 21 Dec 2012 10:55

indranilroy wrote:Lest, you forget ... This is Bharat Rakshak, an Indian defense forum ... You come here and instigate people ... What do you expect?

THis is a Chinese military thread and we post its related news/pictures. We don't know if those news would or would not instigate people. And especially we don't mock, deride of Indian defense industry. If you feel instigated, probably you are insecure.

vina · Post by **vina** » 21 Dec 2012 11:06

ashi wrote:THis is a Chinese military thread and we post its related news/pictures. We don't know if those news would or would not instigate people.

Quit whining. Your fellow posters brought about this thread to this state with the d*ck measuring contest, and I asked for a "positive news" thread to be opened. So, if you want this thread to be cleaned up and sanity to return, you along with your pals need to do your part in that and clean up your act.

Time for you and your fellow Chinese posters to introspect I think.

ashi · Post by **ashi** » 21 Dec 2012 11:14

vina wrote:
ashi wrote:THis is a Chinese military thread and we post its related news/pictures. We don't know if those news would or would not instigate people.
Quit whining. Your fellow posters brought about this thread to this state with the d*ck measuring contest, and I asked for a "positive news" thread to be opened. So, if you want this thread to be cleaned up and sanity to return, you along with your pals need to do your part in that and clean up your act.

Time for you and your fellow Chinese posters to introspect I think.

I ain't whining. I am replying to a person's complain of Chinese posters being trolls but his complain cannot be further from the truth. Sure we like to post news about Chinese military development progress, and Indian posters like to post the opposite. All these are fine and they are under the forum rules. But trolling is not, making fun of other culture is not. Anyway nobody stops you from trolling, just don't point fingers to others ...

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 21 Dec 2012 11:18

This thread is going out of hand

kish · Post by **kish** » 21 Dec 2012 12:14

ashi wrote: THis is a Chinese military thread and we post its related news/pictures. We don't know if those news would or would not instigate people. And especially we don't mock, deride of Indian defense industry.

Speak for yourselves. Majority of the posts from chinese members do just that.

kish · Post by **kish** » 21 Dec 2012 12:50

ashi wrote: I ain't whining. I am replying to a person's complain of Chinese posters being trolls but his complain cannot be further from the truth. Sure we like to post news about Chinese military development progress, and Indian posters like to post the opposite. All these are fine and they are under the forum rules. But trolling is not, making fun of other culture is not. Anyway nobody stops you from trolling, just don't point fingers to others ...

Again speak for yourselves. The degeneration of this thread started when your comrade wong started posting here. And Guess what he did?

Repeated requests by me and other members are reciprocated by sarcasm and dereliction. Instead of advising Indians, dedicate one post for your comrades and advice them to stick to topic "China Military Watch". Normalcy will prevail thereafter.

Don · Post by **Don** » 21 Dec 2012 19:39

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Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Dec 2012 09:25

China could buy Amur subs from Russia

Russian subs for Chinese Navy

China looks set to remain an important customer of Russian submarine builders. In the 1950s, it received some of the first postwar Soviet diesel-powered submarines. Successfully back-engineered, they gave rise to a line of Chinese-made subs, some of which are still in service.

Between 1988 and 2006, Russia supplied the People’s Republic with 10 diesel-powered submarines of the 636 class. China built on this make, turning out its Yuan subs. Unfortunately, they are rather noisy, and China has problems maintaining, repairing and upgrading them. (China’s neighbor and rival India relies on help from the Russian naval shipbuilders in Severodvinsk to service and upgrade its Russian-built third-generation subs.)

This has forced China to turn to Russia again. According to Russian newspapers, Rosoboronexport has landed a framework contract to supply China with four diesel-powered attack subs of the Amur-1650 class. The Amur-1650 sub boasts cutting-edge hydro-acoustic equipment and an energy plant which can work without atmospheric air for some time. A final contract, expected to cost more than $2bln, should be signed after 2015.

tushar_m · Post by **tushar_m** » 22 Dec 2012 10:13

china building highly sophisticated nuclear subs (as they say) & then they need on diesel-powered submarines ?????.............

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 22 Dec 2012 11:11

Austin wrote:China could buy Amur subs from Russia

Russian subs for Chinese Navy

I bet 50 cents that couple years from now , China will be manufacturing Fu King line of indigenous diesel subs after getting delivery of Russian subs.

Don · Post by **Don** » 22 Dec 2012 17:55

http://www.conservativedailynews.com/20 ... the-pakfa/

Evaluating the PAKFA

By Zbigniew Mazurak on Nov 26, 2012

APA’s analysis focused on the T-50′s airframe design and specifically, its stealthiness (i.e. Very Low Observability). In other words, APA analysts wanted to determine how stealthy the PAKFA is/will be. To do that, they first looked carefully at the PAKFA’s shape, looking at each section of the fuselage and assessing whether it would render a strong or a weak radar return. They then used photos and publicly-known dimensions of the PAKFA and used it in a model whereby the PAKFA was tested against radars of various bands.

The result? The PAKFA will be very stealthy in most radar bands, from the S down to the L band, although not stealthy against UHF radars such as the E-2 Hawkeye’s APS-145 and the E-2D Advanced Hawkeye’s APY-9 or the UHF-ground based radars used by some Chinese air defense systems. Thus, penetrating Chinese airspace will be problematic if UHF radars are encountered: they will send 1-2 meter radar waves which will easily detect the PAKFA. Such radar waves would be way too small to detect a large stealthy aircraft such as the B-2 bomber or the USAF’s planned Next Generation Bomber, but sufficient to detect much smaller aircraft such as fighters. That includes the PAKFA.[1]