News - Osama Bin Laden - killed In Pakistan

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 05 May 2011 22:29

Muppalla wrote:
R Vaidya wrote:Proposition 4
US should dismantle terror infrastructure in Pak
Partly true .Only if it affects US. Not if it is against India
US will try its best to dismantle the portions that are targetting US and whites in the west. It will tacitly approve or even encourage (if needed) the other portions.

The problem now is that the Jihadi's have learnt the art of becoming good Taliban or bad Taliban depending on who is looking for them, either, their paymasters or to those who are supposed to be shutting them down.

US has to be really drinking its cool aid if they think this can sustain.

trivedi · Post by **trivedi** » 05 May 2011 22:32

Sanku wrote: That and more.

Regardless of how you view it, 'sweeping' 1.4M people is genocide. By comparison, the Rwandan genocide was less than 1M people. Leaving morality (which I'd rather not) and 'prettiness' aside, that's impossible. Everyone from Chipanda to Amir Khan, which nominally hate each other, will be on our asses faster than we can say boom.

Amir khan does not have a clue about nation building. We do. Also we have done nation building in that part of our country before. We can again.

I'll bite. When did we successfully do nation building in that part of our country?

Insufficient, time pass, hoping to kick the can to times we are "stronger" or for our children to take care of.

Actually it is not insufficient. Strike enough fear into the hearts of the porqi king pins that they revisit the idea of interfering in our affairs. If Amir khan can develop enough humint to trace OBL in Abbottabad, we can't develop enough humint to take out the leaders of Jem, LeT, D-company and say Mushy, the next time he is allowed back inside porqiland?

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 05 May 2011 22:32

The Globe and Mail reporters interview who reported the Hijb ul Mujahideen connection.

from 12:30 min

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/5/5/pa ... _unfolding

trivedi · Post by **trivedi** » 05 May 2011 22:34

Sam wrote:With a population of ~120,000 it is hard to believe that Osama would have been an unknown person in Abbottabad.
This approximates to 20,000 households (@ 6 per family), ppl talk and gossip a lot in Pakistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbottabad

Amir Khan surveillance revealed that of all the people living in that house, one male never even came outside. It is conceivable that the local abdul-on-the-street had never seen OBL's face. It is inconceivable that this was also true of every local abdul-in-ISI.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 05 May 2011 22:37

Klaus wrote:If you visited the Hot Air thread a few weeks ago, there was a massive OT discussion with some "secular" posters taking defensive stands on Urdu within India, opposing DD News version of spoken Hindi etc. The discussion lasted for a full 5-6 pages and has now been shifted to the link language thread. There is a clear systemic pattern of deracination which sees ZH as some kind of circus joker, maybe it is also a variant of "the other bank seems to be greener", I dont know.

But that's how balloons fly from A to B! No?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 05 May 2011 22:43

trivedi wrote: Regardless of how you view it, 'sweeping' 1.4M people is genocide. By comparison, the Rwandan genocide was less than 1M people. Leaving morality (which I'd rather not) and 'prettiness' aside, that's impossible. Everyone from Chipanda to Amir Khan, which nominally hate each other, will be on our asses faster than we can say boom.

There are things which work faster than we can say boom. Do others want to post facto pick a fight on TSPs behalf after its destruction with us after we have said boom? We will do this after there is a suitable excuse of course, and there will be a excuse. We will make sure that they give us one.

And if you are going to use "morality" to mean being queasy about taking necessary steps for self preservation, frankly, the real world discussion is not going to happen.

You have to think like what Truman and Eisenhower thought like, what Churchill thought like. Etc.

I'll bite. When did we successfully do nation building in that part of our country?

Ranjit Singh.

Actually it is not insufficient. Strike enough fear into the hearts of the porqi king pins that they revisit the idea of interfering in our affairs.

Look I have advocated that myself often enough. However, it will still be temporary, pushing them back a little, lessening a few terror strikes. Letting them spring back when next Gujral/MMS is in power again.

Complete destruction of Pakistan's army, state, and most of its power network is critical to solve the problem. Turn the country into a bunch of statelets, a buffer zone west of Indus with India's protection. Etc etc.

But its now OT for this thread.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 May 2011 22:49

Re the crashed helicopter:

Some expert on TV was saying that the short and the larger number of baldes reduce whup whup noise that the rear rotor makes.

Sam · Post by **Sam** » 05 May 2011 22:50

trivedi wrote:Amir Khan surveillance revealed that of all the people living in that house, one male never even came outside. It is conceivable that the local abdul-on-the-street had never seen OBL's face. It is inconceivable that this was also true of every local abdul-in-ISI.

A facial <-> visual match is not always needed to 'know' who is living where. Given OBL compound was sticking out like a sore thumb, it should have piqued the curiosity of at least a few ex-Pak-military folks living nearby. Would they not have gone to either police or military higher ups just out of poking their nose? It is safe to assume that both ISI and few ppl in Abbottabad knew OBL was there.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 May 2011 22:54

Sanku wrote:The problem now is that the Jihadi's have learnt the art of becoming good Taliban or bad Taliban depending on who is looking for them, either, their paymasters or to those who are supposed to be shutting them down.

US has to be really drinking its cool aid if they think this can sustain.

I wrote about this in someother there thread in the past (probably TSP or AF-PAK). The damage to the western assets due to terror is minimal and to US it is far negligible. The things that happen are demonized for a purpose and that is to try and dismantle as much as possible the portions of jihadi machinery meant for west. 911 is one thing that happened. What is really that big in it as it is made out to be. One attack in 30 years of Jihadi onslaught. Though the noise and rhetoric is big but the ones on the strategy table do not think it as too big. However, the dividends of jihadi machinery are immense and without spending too much of human resources of their own they could control several eastern powers. This is the machinery that brought down SU in Afghanistan. If need arises it can bring down India or not allow it to become big.

The dividends weigh far more than the losses. That will be reason for Pakistan's existence infinitely.

Sam · Post by **Sam** » 05 May 2011 22:59

ramana wrote:Re the crashed helicopter:

Some expert on TV was saying that the short and the larger number of baldes reduce whup whup noise that the rear rotor makes.

http://www.dtic.mil/dticasd/sbir/sbir021/sbir217.html

advantages that can potentially be achieved by using propellers with relatively large number of blades. We can only add that propellers with an odd number of blades is preferred over propellers with an even number of blades, and that the published hydrodynamic literature supports the use of (highly?) skewed blades for similar types of applications in water.

The paper talks about UAV but the principle can be extended to helos as well.

http://www.dtic.mil/dticasd/sbir/sbir021/n096.pdf

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 05 May 2011 23:02

Muppalla wrote:911 is one thing that happened. What is really that big in it as it is made out to be. One attack in 30 years of Jihadi onslaught.

Next few years will not be same as last few years. Everyone is wiser.

GCC is in flux, there are lot of juicy targets there. Next Silkworm on a Cole will be from TSPA stock (assuming the previous one wasnt) -- the clock cant be turned back, the genie is out of the bottle.

Of course I fully expect US to continue doing the Pak support routine for some time, however they will be fighting a constant battle, they wont be able to leave and relax in US like they did in past.

They will stay engaged and continue trying to straighten the dogs tail as long as they can, and only when costs go up will they leave (in this we agree) -- the raising of costs will happen because India will eventually act (its own pick and drop service)

This will force US to leave; leaving the ground clear to us to move in and do a bit of sweeping.

Ameet · Post by **Ameet** » 05 May 2011 23:10

Pakistan pays U.S. lobbyists to deny it helped bin Laden

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/ ... me=topNews

Pakistan's Washington lobbyists have launched an intense campaign on Capitol Hill to counter accusations that Islamabad was complicit in giving refuge to Osama bin Laden.

Alarmed by lawmakers' demands to cut off billions of dollars of U.S. aid after bin Laden was found living in a Pakistani safe house for six years, President Asif Ali Zardari has ordered a full-court press to quell mounting accusations that it helped the al Qaeda leader avoid capture.

Mark Siegel, a partner in the Washington lobbying firm of Locke Lord Strategies -- which is paid $75,000 a month by the Pakistani government

But Siegel, referring to claims by the Afghan government that Pakistan must have known bin Laden's whereabouts, said: "Must have known doesn't mean knew."

Siegel's firm was retained by the Zardari government in 2008 and has earned nearly $2 million in fees since then, according to Justice Department records. Siegel said his firm is paid $900,000 a year by Pakistan.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 05 May 2011 23:10

shiv wrote:
habal wrote: Whole world takes anti-Pakistan stance but India (atleast Prime Minister) & China do not attack Pakistan openly and try to give it cover.
Absolutely spot on!

The worst and the most hated enemy which Pakistan wants to crush into pulp is the one that is smiling and holding out a hand of friendship - ever ready for "pappi-jhappi". Talk about cognitive dissonance and seething with impotent anger.

As you have yourself pointed out earlier, this is part of taqiya - on the part of MMS - to take away one big reason TSPA gives for its love affair with jihad...we are so soft and always turn up the other cheek, so what have you got against us? Send in a few more Kasab's and we will get Digvijay Singh to blame Sangh parivar for their acts..

But Xinhua, MKB, Bark-a, KP Nayar and the rest of the loony gang are doing us a great favor...this is how it goes..

If their theory is true, and if TSP indeed cooperated (even led the mission, as per Xinhua and its puppets), why are they allowing Ombaba to take all credit and make it appear they were not told? Because they don't want the beards to believe that is true..

Thanks to our secular, liberal, bleeding heart pro-Pakistani intellectuals and their handlers in Beijing, that cover is being blown....

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 05 May 2011 23:12

Lalmohan wrote:all that we think is cunning is often just a comedy of errors

Oftentimes there is a cognitive bias that leads us to think

X happened -> all angles of X must be the result of careful meticulous planning -> X must have been what the planners wanted.

Then all seeming anomalies, deviations and whatnot all end up shoehorned into this framework, so even if it doesn't look like anything the "planners" would want, it must be what they actually want, since it happened.

If anyone has read the Dune books series, this is basically the foundation for much of it. Every eyebrow twitch and facial posture is one countermove within another countermove meant as continual one up-manship. But I think the real world is far more just chaotic.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 05 May 2011 23:13

RajeshA wrote:ote="Klaus"]But that's how balloons fly from A to B! No?

Please pardon the OT but it is called MITTI=Dirt. Little bit of wind and Mitti always goes for the head)
(More Islamist Than The Islamist)

Sam · Post by **Sam** » 05 May 2011 23:14

Sanku wrote:They will stay engaged and continue trying to straighten the dogs tail as long as they can, and only when costs go up will they leave (in this we agree) --

Call it wishful thinking on my part...
Some dogs have their tails cut off, it is high time that America's poodle Pakistan has its tail cut off for ever.

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 05 May 2011 23:21

Muppalla wrote:
Sanku wrote:The problem now is that the Jihadi's have learnt the art of becoming good Taliban or bad Taliban depending on who is looking for them, either, their paymasters or to those who are supposed to be shutting them down.

US has to be really drinking its cool aid if they think this can sustain.
I wrote about this in someother there thread in the past (probably TSP or AF-PAK). The damage to the western assets due to terror is minimal and to US it is far negligible. The things that happen are demonized for a purpose and that is to try and dismantle as much as possible the portions of jihadi machinery meant for west. 911 is one thing that happened. What is really that big in it as it is made out to be. One attack in 30 years of Jihadi onslaught.

And the X trillion spent on wars, the geopolitical capital spent in response, etc.?

Muppalla wrote: Though the noise and rhetoric is big but the ones on the strategy table do not think it as too big. However, the dividends of jihadi machinery are immense and without spending too much of human resources of their own they could control several eastern powers. This is the machinery that brought down SU in Afghanistan. If need arises it can bring down India or not allow it to become big.

The dividends weigh far more than the losses. That will be reason for Pakistan's existence infinitely.

There isn't any longer "jihad targeted vs west" and "jihad targeted India", not in a real sense. The colors have run together.

The Western efforts at dismantling jihadism have only ensured that they will continue to be a target, not the other way around. And with the continued existence of Israel there is no way to let all these anti-Western ideologies die away.

We imagine they will surgically remove the "anti-West" portions with a scalpel while leaving "anti-India" portions to control us. But those days are over. They may have wanted that, but its not possible. Over the last decade US has only increased its recognition and targeting of the traditionally "anti-India" elements, because it is recognized that these aren't any substantially different from the "anti-West" elements. LeT tried to maintain singular focus on India because it was the closest to the Paki institutional establishment, and that's what the establishment wanted- but it just couldn't, because the Americans have made them all their enemies.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 May 2011 23:30

Sanku wrote:Of course I fully expect US to continue doing the Pak support routine for some time, however they will be fighting a constant battle, they wont be able to leave and relax in US like they did in past.

They will stay engaged and continue trying to straighten the dogs tail as long as they can, and only when costs go up will they leave (in this we agree) -- the raising of costs will happen because India will eventually act (its own pick and drop service)

This will force US to leave; leaving the ground clear to us to move in and do a bit of sweeping.

You are becoming optimist

Seriously speaking, we need to see how much is the real cost of US being engaged in AF-Pak. They are not doing like USSR which has sent its own army on a large scale.

In AF-Pak, US is basically spending mostly on intel than really on fronline boots. The frontline boots are still the abduls onlee.

Even in its peak 2001-2011 the cost is bearable. I don't belive US economy will really go down to a level of unbearability because it is the biggest goonda on the horizon. All it needs is to force everyone to use dollar in transactions and it is still successful. Entire middle east churn is to ensure this for another 100 years. Printing costs of dollars is all it matters to grow its economy.

I agree there are US casualties in AF-Pak. Again I will not go by rhetoric and say US is tired and hence it will quit. Probably for another 50 years it can stay put in that region. In these 50 years it can create multiple Talibans and change their roles as needed.

1970 to 2000 US created a factory that can churn infinite number of armed soldiers for whom death is no big deal. It is like the Ork army in Lord of Rings. As these are real men (as opposed to Ork) some cost in terms of intel and management occurs.

India has to change from a defensive posture to an offensive one. Capabilities are there but it is wearing a thinking hat for a while regarding to do or not to do. At this time it is still in not to do mode.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 05 May 2011 23:34

Self Deleted. Double Post.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 05 May 2011 23:38

Muppalla wrote: You are becoming optimist

I always was an optimist. Even B-ji thinks so.

India has to change from a defensive posture to an offensive one. Capabilities are there but it is wearing a thinking hat for a while regarding to do or not to do. At this time it is still in not to do mode.

That is what I am saying too. This muddle will continue for 3-4 years post which India will be forced to act, starting in small steps. At the same time US will be pushed hard to keep the attacks away from it. I expect attacks on Tarbela Gazi, attacks on drone bases. Attacks on US units in GCC.

If and when India acts, the rage will grow further. TSPA can not defend US assets in Pakistan as well try and counter India etc etc. More dominos will fall, already

Geelani = Osama bin laden = Syed Salahuddin = Hafiz link was made when they all stood up together when Osama was bumped off.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 May 2011 23:47

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1077020

The US is cool to the reconciliation bid, and would rather keep Pakistan out of it. Washington has asked Saudi Arabia to intercede, but Taliban's Al Qaeda affiliation continues to be a problem for Riyadh. The British on the other hand, according to sources involved in the exercise, are actively backing Pakistan's mediation with the Taliban. Karzai, under pressure, is apparently convinced that doing a deal with Pakistan, whom he had opposed for providing sanctuaries to the Taliban, could provide a measure of security that the US and the west may not be able to. It was the start of a rapprochement with Pakistan when Karzai famously referred to the Af-Pak relationship of conjoined twins.

Can this be the link between USA, KSA, UK, TSPA and OBL's Qadrification?

Connecting the dots...

* TSPA deployments in WANA
* KSA's approval of TSPA influence over Afghanistan
* BO's withdrawal plans and elections
* Distrust between CIA and ISI

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 05 May 2011 23:53

^^ Boss, OBL elimination is part of the pull out plans.

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 06 May 2011 00:01

Ombaba needs to show signs of pulling out before 2012! He and his team will do whatever it takes to achieve that goal. Not a complete draw down, mind you. Just signs of a start. Thats what the US public want. And that is what he will give them.
If that means doing a deal with the devil, so be it.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 06 May 2011 00:05

this thread is reaching speed of light!

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 06 May 2011 00:05

Obama visits New York to mark bin Laden's death

All this symbolism is meant to mark a fullstop to the 'war on terror' and begin the pullouts.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 06 May 2011 00:08

Pakistan pays U.S. lobbyists to deny it helped bin Laden
Edited: Posted before...

anjan · Post by **anjan** » 06 May 2011 00:16

rajithn wrote:
rajanb wrote:Square One was always my line in previous posts. No one listened or commented on it.

Only thing that has changed is OBL is dead.
US :+1
Porkis: +1 (they will make it +1 in a few months)
India: -1 (expect porkis to become belligerent eastwards for all the kameez soiling. They will look east so that we dont see those soiled kameezs too)

Why the -1 for India? A preemptive dhoti soil on the hypothetical that the Pakis may (shiver) start something?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 May 2011 00:27

Amber G. wrote:Pakistan pays U.S. lobbyists to deny it helped bin Laden
Edited: Posted before...

Watch the US lawmakers to wash their hands of Pakistan since they see imminent war - Pak may try to attack India with PRC help and US does not want to be caught unaware after the war starts.
One Senator has already said that US does not want to be any part of the Pak war with India. See if there is urgency in the part of the US administration with any initiatives.

anjan · Post by **anjan** » 06 May 2011 00:43

Jayram wrote:Pakistanis say U.S. shot bin Laden in "cold blood"

Pakis have access to the crime scene (firefight). They have tons of DNA evidence (blood ) and living progeny that they can use to link the dna to the person and credibly recreate who went done where and when. They can recreate if Bin Laden was dragged or carried to the chopper with some careful analysis. They can then use this to build a story line that MAY go against the POTUS storyline and grab back some of their H&D here. Will they do that? - they are trying see above.. Are they capable of doing a modicum of investigative techniques that can stand the scrutiny of the worlds media .. I doubt it.. However they just need to come up with anything to resonate with the mango abdul. The muslim mango abdul in Pak is so shell shocked they will clutch at any straw right now..

Why is there not so much outcry about the couple of hundred abduls at the other end of a predator? When people talk about not using the B-2 option they speak of the possibility of collateral damage. So when you have decided on the death of a certain individual why this squeamishness on the method?

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 06 May 2011 00:47

Sorry if OT...

Could India Do An Abbottabad?
By David J. Karl
link

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 06 May 2011 00:58

anjan wrote:Why the -1 for India? A preemptive dhoti soil on the hypothetical that the Pakis may (shiver) start something?

No, Anjan. Because we are going to be pushed to give up something. And MMS, in the interests of economy, is going to do it. Not Kashmir. But expect something to be given up on the lines of Sir Creek, Siachen or Cross border movement. And the Pakis are going to claim it is a victory for them.
I dont think they are in a position to needle another attack. That will only isolate them more. And right now their kammez's are too soiled for them to be thinking of this.
case in point: all the belligerence of Salman Bashir and Kayani towards India! If you listened to them, you would think India did an Abbotabad!!

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 06 May 2011 01:06

Speeches were interrupted several times by chants from the crowd of "Death to the Taliban! Death to the suicide bombers! Death to the Punjabis!" – a reference to the protesters' view that the Taliban are under the control of the ISI.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... tabad-lead

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 May 2011 01:12

Salmonized Osama's disposal carry little parallel to Jaydrath vadh. We dont know yet in whose lap the head has fallen.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 06 May 2011 01:13

pgbhat wrote:Anyhooo....
Their Fates Were SEALed

Prophet Mohammed is also called the SEAL of the Prophets!

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 06 May 2011 01:22

rajithn wrote:Ombaba needs to show signs of pulling out before 2012! He and his team will do whatever it takes to achieve that goal. Not a complete draw down, mind you. Just signs of a start. Thats what the US public want. And that is what he will give them.
If that means doing a deal with the devil, so be it.

Yep. They are talking of withdrawing the 'surge' that started after BO came to power, leaving the force levels at 2008 levels.

sourab_c · Post by **sourab_c** » 06 May 2011 01:42

Venkarl wrote:Sorry if OT...

Could India Do An Abbottabad?
By David J. Karl
link

I find it really amusing that such questions are being raised regarding India now that the SUPER SECRET SUPER INVINCIBLE HOLLYWOOD TRANSFORMERS US NAVY SEALS!!! have had this 1 success. If you were to look at the history of such US operations, you will realize that their track record is full of failures.

I do not know how many of you have seen Black Hawk Down, but that movie is a good depiction of what can go wrong in such holly wood style operations. In this case, all the SEALS did was to go inside a sanitized hostile territory and kill an unarmed terrorist. While their courage in conducting such a high risk operation should be commended, it is no reason to project them as some holly wood super heroes that the western media (and our own DDM) is currently portraying them to be. I bet that while Obama was monitoring this operation on his big flat screen TV, he had his one hand on the phone to call Zardari in case the PAF/PA got to know about them.

Do not get me wrong, I am extremely happy that OBL is dead, I just do not like the way the US SEALS are being projected and questions are being raised about India's own ability to conduct such operations. I bet more terrorists have died at the hands of the Indian army than any other force in the world.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 06 May 2011 01:58

Zawahiri betrayed Osama bin Laden: Saudi paper

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 169580.cms

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 06 May 2011 02:03

sourab_c wrote:
Venkarl wrote:Sorry if OT...

Could India Do An Abbottabad?
By David J. Karl
link
I find it really amusing that such questions are being raised regarding India now that the SUPER SECRET SUPER INVINCIBLE HOLLYWOOD TRANSFORMERS US NAVY SEALS!!! have had this 1 success. If you were to look at the history of such US operations, you will realize that their track record is full of failures.

I do not know how many of you have seen Black Hawk Down, but that movie is a good depiction of what can go wrong in such holly wood style operations. In this case, all the SEALS did was to go inside a sanitized hostile territory and kill an unarmed terrorist. While their courage in conducting such a high risk operation should be commended, it is no reason to project them as some holly wood super heroes that the western media (and our own DDM) is currently portraying them to be. I bet that while Obama was monitoring this operation on his big flat screen TV, he had his one hand on the phone to call Zardari in case the PAF/PA got to know about them.

Do not get me wrong, I am extremely happy that OBL is dead, I just do not like the way the US SEALS are being projected and questions are being raised about India's own ability to conduct such operations. I bet more terrorists have died at the hands of the Indian army than any other force in the world.

Arrey bhaiyya let the USN DEVGRU have their day in the sun - they have been fighting in the shadows for a long time and have done a great job in Iraq/AfPak.

As re. the Abbotabad operation itself, it was almost 99.99% over before the 1st USN SEAL boarded the chopper to fly into OBL's mansion.

As re. the question of whether India can mount such an assault, the simple answer is:
1) Militarily: Yes.
2) Politically: No.

As re. the stupid comparison made by the author David Karl with the time taken to airlift NSG to Mumbai - the idiot doesn't seem to realize the difference between responding to a surprise terrorist attack (Mumbai 2008) versus mounting a surprise attack (Abbotabad 2011). If the response to a surprise attack is to be the yardstick, he just needs to go back and check how fast the US scrambled when 9/11 was happening (hint: their president was reading "My Pet Goose" in a school even after the 1st planes struck and there was nary a USAF jet flying CAP over NYC).

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 May 2011 02:38

RajeshA wrote:[Prophet Mohammed is also called the SEAL of the Prophets!

Rajeshi Ji,
Pakistan is the SEAL of Terrorism with mindset SEALED in 6th century .
First OSama was taken out by SEALs and now OSama is devoured down by SEALS in Aryasamundra .

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 06 May 2011 02:49

Muppalla wrote: India has to change from a defensive posture to an offensive one. Capabilities are there but it is wearing a thinking hat for a while regarding to do or not to do. At this time it is still in not to do mode.

Mupalla ji: I have long changed my view to the opposite of the above. That is, if we build capabilities (which we do not have, yet) across the board economic, military, political and ideological then the will or the thinking hat will come. Just focus on building these capabilities is all I care about, for now. Get the defense budget out of the "do takka" syndrome first!