People's Republic of China, Dec. 27 2011

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/03 ... flash_fab/
China's new year's resolution: Build a flash fab
Blocks and Files China has no hard disk drive, DRAM and flash memory production facilities of its own – but that could change.The Asian nation digs up the rare earths used to make components in the world's HDDs, and firms including Huawei and UIT make servers and storage arrays that use disk drives, DRAM and flash memory. However China has no indigenous concerns that make the core base storage technologies for enterprise-grade gear.Setting up and operating semiconductor fabs and the integrated plants needed to manufacture disk drives costs billions of dollars and needs world-class expertise. However things could change and one indicator that they might is that a Chinese concern is now making processors derived from DEC's Alpha chip and others based on the MIPS architecture.
These are being used in supercomputer designs. It is generally accepted that China wants to control its own core technologies and cease dependence on the West, largely meaning non-Chinese Asia and the USA. Its own internal market should be large enough to support its own CPU designs, and if the State-backed companies made DRAM and non-volatile memories to international specifications, the country could sell silicon produced inside China to the rest of the world.What is stopping it?El Reg reckons that the main obstacle is expertise and technological know-how; the Chinese government is encouraging existing suppliers to set up plants in China and by extension skill up Chinese workers, managers, executives and component suppliers.
For example, Samsung is seeking to build a NAND fabrication plant in China.
Hynix, TSMC and SMIC already have semiconductor plants in China. In three to five years Chinese employees at these plant would have learned a great deal about DRAM and NAND flash foundry installation, operation, management and component supply. They will understand the steps in the technological processes involved, be aware of the logistical concerns and understand the financing and cost structures needed.From then on, given sufficient financing and ambition, Chinese DRAM and NAND foundries could be established. They haven't been yet. It is feasible however, that a Chinese supplier such as Huawei could do this and we could, conceivably, see a Chinese NAND foundry operating from 2013 onwards, if they started building one now.The same pattern of events and thinking could result in a DRAM foundry being established as well. However growth estimates for NAND flash sales are looking very attractive, as are technology roadmaps, and it may be that flash looks a better opportunity than DRAM, and also hard disk drives.Will China jump into semiconductor manufacturing? At the high end of the technology spectrum it wants its own satellites and citizens on the moon. It could well have similar plans at the foundation technologies end of this spectrum. ®
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Indian businessmen advised to shun China’s Yiwu city
BEIJING: India's embassy in China on Tuesday advised Indians to avoid doing business in the southern Chinese city of Yiwu, where one of the world's biggest commodities market is located, after local authorities there failed to stop the manhandling of diplomat S Balachandran and did nothing to free two Indian traders held being hostage held by Chinese traders.

"Indian traders and businessmen are hereby cautioned not to do business with Yiwu in Zhejiang province," said an advisory posted on the Beijing embassy's website. Yiwu city is located near Shanghai, where Balachandran is posted as a consular official.

The incident which had angered New Delhi also provoked a strong Indian comment on the Chinese judiciary. Indian traders should be aware "when there are trade disputes with Yiwu, Indian businessmen can be illegally held under detention and mistreated by Chinese businessmen there," it said. "Based on experience, there is no guarantee that legal remedies will be readily available. In case of disputes arising, experience suggests that there is inadequate protection for safety of persons."
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/03 ... trictions/
China Broadcasters Cut Shows Amid Tough Government Restrictions

BEIJING – China's satellite broadcasters have eliminated more than two-thirds of prime-time entertainment programming such as dating and reality shows to comply with tough new government restrictions, as Beijing increasingly seeks to rein in cultural trends it finds problematic.The state-run Xinhua news agency said Tuesday that satellite broadcasters have winnowed the number of entertainment shows aired during prime time to 38 from 126. A new rule that came into effect on Sunday limits the number of entertainment programs the broadcasters air to two each week and a maximum of 90 minutes daily between 7:30pm and 10:00pm.
The rule, first announced in October, is targeted at what Chinese regulators have called "excessive entertainment and a trend toward low taste," to address the rise of talent shows, dating shows and other such programming aired by China's tightly regulated, but increasingly competitive, regional satellite broadcasters. Authorities also encouraged broadcasters to air more news and educational programming.
"Satellite channels have started to broadcast programs that promote traditional virtues and socialist core values," Xinhua on Tuesday cited China's broadcasting regulator as saying.The rule is part of a broad government effort to take firmer control of China's media landscape, an effort that also includes the nation's freewheeling internet culture. The internet aspect marks a recognition by policy makers of the web's rising power in a country with few other public national forums for discussing issues of the day. The media part, while targeting low-brow trends, also shows China's rising interest in developing its own soft power -- in the arts, media and culture -- to compete with the likes of Hollywood as the nation looks to take on a broader global role.At the end of an October gathering, Chinese officials publicly called for stricter control of social media, which has challenged the Chinese government's traditional hold on the nation's information channels. Since then, Chinese internet companies have announced efforts to crack down on "rumors" -- a term often understood to mean information that the Communist Party finds undesirable
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Typical commie strategy - lie your way through....next 'special correspondents' of Stalinist rapist goon propaganda yellow daily will be instructed to spread stories of how well he was fed with vegetarian food and given imported medicines and the whole affair is a fabrication of anti-chinese vested interests..

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-new ... 91016.aspx
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Traders released, on their way to Shanghai: Krishna
"I am very happy with the outcome. Traders have been released and they are on their way to Shanghai under consular officers security. We have friendly relation with China. Let's not blow this incident out of proportion. Both the traders will take care of themselves in the civil-suit case in China," the Foreign Minister said.

Chinese Ambassador to India Zhang Yan said, "We are co-ordinating. We are working hard to solve the issue. Everything will be settled through Chinese law."
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There is a stupid comment there ...
[Indians] in China to behave according to the Chinese law. Behave honestly and operate legitimately."
In a country where they fake their own mothers for money and don't have any laws other than what the local Commie boss says..
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Fly-by-night Chinese firms cheat Indian cos
‘Don’t trust B2B portals for choosing partners there’

If you have a small or medium business and are keen to import from China, be careful before choosing a Chinese exporter from the lists posted on the B2B portals.

For, these Chinese companies might go incommunicado without sending the consignment once you succumb to its insistence on advance payment of a percentage of the total cost.

Or, even if the Chinese company responds to your repeated correspondences, it might ask you to send an additional amount claiming that the cost of the raw materials went up as you delayed payment of the advance. You run the risk of losing either the initial advance payment if you do not pay more or the entire amount if you do.

This is just one of the many ways Chinese companies dupe unsuspecting businessmen from India. The Embassy of India in Beijing listed some of those ingenious Chinese ways to trick Indians and issued an advisory along with some do’s and don’ts.

The kidnapping of the two Indians by the local traders in the commodity market of Yiwu in Zhejiang province of China has just brought the focus back on the risks that doing business with the communist country is fraught with. An Indian diplomat, who had gone to help them, fainted and had to be hospitalised on December 31 last. New Delhi on Monday lodged protests with Beijing.

The Indian Embassy in Beijing received as many as 66 complaints from Indian companies about fraudulent activities by their Chinese counterparts between January and mid-July last year. The amount involved in those cases of trade disputes was about $1882119 in the first half of 2011.

Most of the cases of trade disputes reported to the Indian Embassy in Beijing originated from the provinces of Hebei and the municipality of Tianjin. The amounts involved in the trade disputes between Indian and Chinese companies in 2009 and 2010 were $78,43,000 and $ 54,01,914 respectively.

Indian companies are sometimes contacted by the Chinese firms and invited to visit their facilities in China. Citing Chinese cultural values, Indian companies’ executives are asked to bring gifts and cash for their counterparts and hosts in China.

The Indian companies are promised of excellent cooperation by the Chinese. After the Indian companies’ representatives are back to India, the Chinese companies go silent and stop replying to the Indian companies’ communications.

The Indian company ends up losing cost on transportation, accommodation and the amount incurred for expenditure towards gifts.

Sometimes Indian company is instructed by an employee of its Chinese counterpart to send advance payments to a bank account, which is different from the one mentioned earlier.
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/216 ... cheat.html
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There are many other tricks..one of them is to send a half-naked / torn clothed girl in tears to knock on your hotel door pretending to be under attack / harassment. Once you let her in a couple of 'policemen' will barge in and demand bribe or threaten you with prosecution for engaging prostitutes or worse, as the girl may change the story and implicate you..

They try these things mostly with overseas chinese but who knows, their 'customer base' may be now expanding..
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Today's paper reported that there was a violent mob outside the hotel where the traders were. The Chicoms know how to clear mobs when they want to. Clearly this mob had the permission of the highest tinpots of China
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China does not want its students to know recent history of China
An article by a Western academic teaching in China. Reproduced in The Age of Australia from Washington Post.
With China stumping assertively on the world stage, one might think Beijing would be open, even gracious, about the country's past. To the contrary, history remains a sensitive subject, drawing relentless attention from authorities anxious to keep all skeletons safely in closets.
As a university professor in China, I face the consequences of this official apprehension every day. My young, bright students know little about their country's recent past. What they do know tends to agree with the government-sponsored discourse on the pride and glory of China's rise after a century of humiliation by Western powers. Library and bookstore shelves tell, with enviable conviction, this same story of national grandeur. And it is hard to get around that government-approved tale.
We recently attempted to order a standard Western work on China's history, Jonathan D. Spence's The Search for Modern China. Our efforts ran aground when customs officials refused to allow the book shipment into the country. The agent proposed manually cutting out the censored sections, including photos of the Tiananmen Square massacre and Spence's account of the Cultural Revolution, to get the customs clearance. These are things the Chinese people are not supposed to know.
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http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=746457
Asked whether the Indian Mission would provide any legal help to the two businessmen, Krishna said, "what can the Consulate do about assisting them in civil litigation when they have gone there for trading and working for a trading house in Yemen? I think, they will take care of themselves."
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These morons can get and keep their jobs only in a die-nasty rule like the current one.
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On the newfound Chinese need for 'culture', an American friend told me a funny anecdote. He was in China for business and was reading the (probably only English publication there) state run newspaper. There was a new piece that said "the culture ministry has determined that there is not enough culture in the country so people are instructed to practise more culture".
We all went :rotfl: while another person on the table said "as if there is a knob for culture that the ministry will turn in order to increase culture in the country".
I think the great firewall of China is probably turning out to be inadequate and hence the CCP is trying to install "new and fresh" culture in the country so that the brainwashed young generation that they have produced does not see outside and realise that they have been taken for a ride.
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There seems to be a rewinding by the current leadership of some critical elements of Chinese policy of increasing "openness" to everything over the last couple of decades, including in terms of business, social mores and practices, etc. There's clearly a tightening going on, early signals of a circling of the wagons... We may see a more inward-looking China in the years ahead... This may be partly, at least, due to the growing levels of social unrest and the velocity of information transfer within Chinese society itself, so to speak. That's my impression, though I could be wrong and will happily be corrected...
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JE Menon wrote:There seems to be a rewinding by the current leadership of some critical elements of Chinese policy of increasing "openness" to everything over the last couple of decades, including in terms of business, social mores and practices, etc. There's clearly a tightening going on, early signals of a circling of the wagons... We may see a more inward-looking China in the years ahead... This may be partly, at least, due to the growing levels of social unrest and the velocity of information transfer within Chinese society itself, so to speak. That's my impression, though I could be wrong and will happily be corrected...

JEM,

I think you're spot on. With its penchant of being No1 in everything, China has the highest number of Internet users, in fact 23 per cent of the globe's total number [all the stats here]. As many others have found out before, its very difficult to control the flow of information via the Net.

With the leadership change coming up and the economy sputtering, we have a whole host of very worried folks in the Forbidden City. Expect more action in the days to come.

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In China, Curious Case Of Fraud Grows Stranger Still
The Da Vinci furniture company showroom in Shanghai looks like a salon in Versailles. The price tag on a gilt-covered, Italian-made grandfather clock: more than $40,000.

So it was big news last summer when China Central Television — the government's flagship network known as CCTV — reported that some of Da Vinci's ornate furniture didn't come from Italy, but from a common factory in South China.

CCTV even found a factory salesman who appeared to corroborate the claim. Doris Phua, Da Vinci's chief executive, denied the charges in a tear-filled press conference, but the damage was done and the company's sales tanked.

Now, a respected Chinese magazine called Caixin says the CCTV report was filled with errors, and the furniture company says it was blackmailed by the CCTV reporter for more than $150,000.

Caixin reported this week that the salesman had recanted, and the general manager of the Chinese company that had supposedly built furniture for Da Vinci denied it in a Web video.

"When I saw your report on Da Vinci and my company, I felt utterly stunned and angry," said Chinese furniture factory manager Huang Wencong. "The content of your report wasn't verified at all and seriously misleading."

Da Vinci also said it paid the CCTV reporter more than $150,000 through a public relations company to halt further stories. Da Vinci provided bank transfer documents and a secretly recorded conversation as evidence.
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One can't tell hu is screwing hu in God's own country (most of which does not believe in Him)
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So in a cultural sound way, what is the gist? "One concubine did not like the grandfather clock given to another commissar's concubine"?

(omitting the "kicking the pendulum" parts, due to recent cultural sensitivity of Yu-no-Hu)
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>>said "the culture ministry has determined that there is not enough culture in the country so people are instructed to practise more culture".

Well, they can always fake it.
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Nothing better than a thriving and rabidly breeding community of pure Pakistanis to enhance Chinese culture. For the short term there is always the Xerox Machine , just copy how much ever you want, just change the brightness and font so that each copy is culturally different from the other
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archan wrote:One can't tell hu is screwing hu in God's own country (most of which does not believe in Him)
PRC culture =Deception. Remember the little cute girl in Olypmic inauguration ceremony.Successful deception and fakeness etc are considred virtuous, smart and intelligent act. Hu is screwing Lu and Lu is doing to Pu while Fu is sucking up to Chu and Chu is bending in front of Zhu while squeezing Su.
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China: Unnatural Selection
Thirty years after China introduced its one-child policy, there are growing calls to scrap the controversial system as the nation faces new social dilemmas.

Today, China's fertility rate is below the replacement level, providing fewer workers to support a rapidly growing elderly population.

And with a cultural preference for boys, China faces an alarming gender imbalance with projections of 30 million more men than women by 2020.

Officials have also been accused of excessively enforcing the policy, with forced abortions, discrimination and even confiscating children.

101 East asks if the days of China's one-child policy are coming to an end.
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IAF Officer from Arunachal Pradesh denied Chinese visa but India decides to go ahead
In an unpleasant development, China has denied visa to a senior IAF officer hailing from Arunachal Pradesh, who was to be part of the team scheduled to travel to Beijing from January 10.

Group Captain Panging, based in Northeast, was refused visa by the Chinese embassy without being given any reasons, sources said here.

The officer who was to be part of the Integrated Defence Staff team travelling to China on a four-day visit under a bilateral defence exchange programme.

The 30-member tri-Service Indian delegation, being led by an Air Vice Marshal-rank officer, will visit Beijing, Nanjing and Shanghai there.

The sources said as of now the visit is on.
Has GoI decided to 'accept' the Chinese sensitivities on Arunachal Pradesh ?
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SSridhar wrote:IAF Officer from Arunachal Pradesh denied Chinese visa but India decides to go ahead
In an unpleasant development, China has denied visa to a senior IAF officer hailing from Arunachal Pradesh, who was to be part of the team scheduled to travel to Beijing from January 10.
The sources said as of now the visit is on.
Has GoI decided to 'accept' the Chinese sensitivities on Arunachal Pradesh ?
Looks like there has been a decision..

China denies visa to IAF officer, India cancels defence team visit
Posted: Fri Jan 06 2012, 19:19 hrs
New Delhi:
India today cancelled the visit by a military delegation to China after one of its members, hailing from Arunachal Pradesh, was denied visa.
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Two Tibetans in China set themselves ablaze in protest
(Reuters) - Two people in an ethnically Tibetan part of southwest China set themselves on fire on Friday, an advocacy group said, bringing the number of self-immolations in protest against religious controls imposed by the Chinese government to 14 since March.
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narmad wrote:Looks like there has been a decision..

China denies visa to IAF officer, India cancels defence team visit
Posted: Fri Jan 06 2012, 19:19 hrs
New Delhi:
India today cancelled the visit by a military delegation to China after one of its members, hailing from Arunachal Pradesh, was denied visa.
I hope this time that stand up to the Chinese pressure tactic and does not send a team unless the same officer is part of the team later on. Last time Lt. Gen. Jaswal was denied visa and GoI cancelled the visit only to resume it after one year and this time without Lt. Gen. Jaswal. If an agreement to resume the exchange had been reached with PRC, it should have been made clear to them that the resumption was contingent upon the condition that PRC should not deny visa to any member of the Indian team. This Lt. Gen. Jaswal episode cannot be allowed to be repeated in the case of Group Captain M Panging. If and when the Integrated Defence Staff team does make a visit to china next time, Group Captain M Panging must be part of the team. Otherwise it must be a no-go.

Arunachal Pradesh is an area of 'core concern' for India just like China wants the rest of the world to be sensitive about its core concerns.
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^^ The thing is notice is that India does seem to make it a point to include Arunachali folks in either our IAS or Defence delegations to China and then if China does its usual shenanigans, we cancel the trip.

Good to see some spine being shown by Desh in recent times.
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sum wrote:^^ The thing is notice is that India does seem to make it a point to include Arunachali folks in either our IAS or Defence delegations to China and then if China does its usual shenanigans, we cancel the trip.

Good to see some spine being shown by Desh in recent times.
sum, ok, 'some' spine is being shown all right. But, we cannot back down on this issue. Last time, when the exchange programme revived, we thought it fit to replace the Lt. Gen. with a Maj. Gen. and that was meant to be a signal of displeasure to the Chinese. China does not care about such nuanced messages. It well might have been that Lt. Gen. Jaswal had retired or moved over to another position. But, we cannot be seen to be willing to compromise in order to reduce diplomatic tension.
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http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp ... 782012.ece

What do you expect from Chindu?

A bit of 'editorial discretion' - no mention of illtreatment of diplomat, denial of medicine & food and his collpase.

A bit of == :
If New Delhi and Beijing are serious about creating positive attitudes at a popular level, they must actively promote people-to-people interactions, ...They must also desist from propaganda against each other.
I guess we have to be grateful that 100% of the blame has not been laid at Indian side...perhaps MKB has been tasked with that responsibility in a future article..

and a bit of yellow washing..
The incident holds lessons for both sides
again..both are culprits..
The Chinese government's decision to step in to rescue
is the very first sentence, not the fact that they were illegally and crudely, barbarically tortured and harrassed for days..
Rightly, Beijing has taken Indian concerns seriously
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12 diamond traders return after detention in China for two years without a trial
The traders thanked the Indian and the Chinese governments for the “fair treatment” given to them.

“The Indian consulate there took a lot of effort to take care of us. There was a lot of government pressure too. The Chinese government was very understanding and helpful,” 26-year-old diamond trader Nehal Shah told The Hindu . He works for Diavie Shanghai Limited, a diamond trading company listed in Shanghai.

The traders refused to talk about the case and said it was lack of communication that led to the detention.

“The laws regarding tax were not clear. They thought Hong Kong was a part of China. The officials took them into custody for interrogation about tax evasion,” Raju Shah, Mr. Nehal's uncle said.

Mr. Nehal said the law of the land must be understood before doing business in a particular country. “The biggest lesson we have learnt is that we have to make sure that we know the laws. We were not aware of the laws there,” he said.

“I also learnt the Chinese language. Language is the only problem there. They can't understand English. So, in the months that I stayed there, I learnt the language. I can now read and write in Chinese,” he said proudly.

He pointed out that while they were detained there, the media had been consistently giving out wrong reports.

The media has been giving wrong reports. Firstly, we were not jailed. And secondly, we were not kept in bad condition. They took very good care of us,” he said.

“We are not criminals. We were not convicted. We were kept at a detention centre in Shenzhen city, and not in a jail. Detention centre is like a temporary residence. We were kept there when the court procedure and the interrogation was in process,” he said. He was kept there for one year and 11 months.

Also, we were provided all the facilities including medical care. If you felt unwell, you only had to inform the authorities and the doctors would visit you. Not just that, even our family members were allowed to meet us once in three months. That is a very big thing. Since, under the law, even a Chinese national cannot meet his family when the court proceedings and the investigation are on,” he said.

When they provide you with everything and still the media carries reports about the bad condition in which we are kept, it creates a negative impression about India,” he said. When it was pointed out that it was the relatives of the traders who had provided the information to the media, he said that it was natural for them to feel worried but that not all the relatives knew about their condition.
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China’s Social Security Funds Become Play Money for Officials
China’s social security funds are mismanaged, ill-spent, and sometimes become the private piggy bank for Communist Party apparatchiks, according to a number of recent reports. Billions of yuan that should be wisely invested are instead used for a plethora of illegal projects, or even to decorate the homes of local officials.
Social Insecurity

China has 150 million people living on less than a dollar a day, and millions have no social safety net other than family to fall back on during illness, unemployment, and old age.

With the one-child policy enforced for over 30 years, China’s population is rapidly aging. In 2010, 12.8 percent of China’s population, or 174 million, were over 60 years old. By the end of 2015 that number is expected to reach 15 percent, peaking during the next 10 plus years.
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Terrorists from Tibet may target Dalai Lama: Mumbai Cops
The Mumbai police have received intelligence inputs that some terrorists from the Tibetan region of China may sneak in to India to eliminate the Tibetan spiritual guru, the Dalai Lama.

The intelligence inputs, a copy of which is with TOI, states that a Chinese national of Tibetan origin by the name Tashi Phuntsok is likely to enter India to gather intelligence on the Tibetan administration as well as to cause harm to the Dalai Lama. The input further states that six Chinese nationals of Tibetan origin, including Phuntsok, possibly from Chinese secret services, are suspected.

"A good number of Chinese youth enter India on business visas, ostensibly for some clandestine activities. It's likely that they may try to visit certain areas prohibited for Chinese like Tibetan camps. The Dalai Lama visits Mumbai and other places in Maharashtra. The threat to him must not be underestimated. Loss of Chinese passport and recovery of unknown Chinese passport need to be reported promptly, so that the concerned agencies can question them. In this regard, the activities of the followers of 'Shugden cult - an anti-Dalai Lama group - need to be kept under strict vigil," the report said.

The Mumbai police have informed Tibetan organizations and directed the special branch and the local police to keep police officers updated about the Dalai Lama's visit to Mumbai. "He often comes to Mumbai and even goes to slums and mixes with people. We will have to enhance security cover form him in Mumbai,'' said a police officer.
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Guys, go home and suck on your lollipops..Chindu's 'Special Correspondent" has delivered his judgement - China has done nothing, wrong, it was India's decision to test (and provoke?) them by including an officer from Arunachal..next time we should avoid such needless provocations or MKB will also get upset..

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... epage=true
Analysts here wondered whether India was trying to judge China’s response by selecting the officer or if he was inadvertently chosen for the tri-services defence exchange.
who exactly are these analysts that did the wondering?
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^^ Am sure one would be MKB and one might be Prakash Karat and N.Ram combo.
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WTF ?


India, China rescue military visit, Arunachal officer dropped from list
In an overnight attempt to prevent defence ties from taking a downturn, India and China have managed to rescue the visit of an Indian military delegation to Beijing by pruning the size of the armed forces team, and in the process, excluding the Air Force officer from Arunachal Pradesh, who had become the bone of contention.

While the visit of a delegation of 30 officers from all three forces that was being led by an Air Vice Marshal was set to be called off on Friday night after the officer from Arunachal Pradesh was denied a visa, the two sides decided on a compromise formula. India will now send a smaller team of 15 officers to Beijing and has dropped the Air Force officer from the list.
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SSridhar wrote: This Lt. Gen. Jaswal episode cannot be allowed to be repeated in the case of Group Captain M Panging. If and when the Integrated Defence Staff team does make a visit to china next time, Group Captain M Panging must be part of the team. Otherwise it must be a no-go.
Wishful thinking!!!
Rony wrote:While the visit of a delegation of 30 officers from all three forces that was being led by an Air Vice Marshal was set to be called off on Friday night after the officer from Arunachal Pradesh was denied a visa, the two sides decided on a compromise formula.
Things never change.
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The Express report refers to 'mature' handling of the Group Captain's visa denial issue. I am again perplexed as to what maturity has India shown. India has shown meekness. For its part, China has not shown any maturity too, it has shown its adamancy and arrogance in not issuing a visa to an Arunachal Pradesh resident.

Indian MEA seems to have 'reciprocated' to the Yiwu incident, as the Express report says. If it is true, it is a phenomenal blunder. The Yiwu case was a commercial arrangement among private parties going wrong. In fact, the two Indians caught there have been caught in the crossfire between the Chinese suppliers and a Yemeni trader. It was also about an Indian diplomat being ill-treated in China, whereas, this case of the visit of the defence team is a matter of Indian sovereignty over Arunachal Pradesh. The guys in the MEA who found equivalence between these two case do not deserve to perform the job they are performing, if the report is true.

We first conceded ground that no officer commanding any unit in J&K would be part of a delegation to China. Now, we have accepted that China's sensitivity on Arunachal Pradesh must be taken into account. This is pathetic.
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Rony wrote:WTF ?


India, China rescue military visit, Arunachal officer dropped from list
In an overnight attempt to prevent defence ties from taking a downturn, India and China have managed to rescue the visit of an Indian military delegation to Beijing by pruning the size of the armed forces team, and in the process, excluding the Air Force officer from Arunachal Pradesh, who had become the bone of contention.

While the visit of a delegation of 30 officers from all three forces that was being led by an Air Vice Marshal was set to be called off on Friday night after the officer from Arunachal Pradesh was denied a visa, the two sides decided on a compromise formula. India will now send a smaller team of 15 officers to Beijing and has dropped the Air Force officer from the list.
MMS got his chaddis in a twist :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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SSridhar wrote:The Express report refers to 'mature' handling of the Group Captain's visa denial issue. I am again perplexed as to what maturity has India shown. India has shown meekness. For its part, China has not shown any maturity too, it has shown its adamancy and arrogance in not issuing a visa to an Arunachal Pradesh resident.

Indian MEA seems to have 'reciprocated' to the Yiwu incident, as the Express report says. If it is true, it is a phenomenal blunder. The Yiwu case was a commercial arrangement among private parties going wrong. In fact, the two Indians caught there have been caught in the crossfire between the Chinese suppliers and a Yemeni trader. It was also about an Indian diplomat being ill-treated in China, whereas, this case of the visit of the defence team is a matter of Indian sovereignty over Arunachal Pradesh. The guys in the MEA who found equivalence between these two case do not deserve to perform the job they are performing, if the report is true.

We first conceded ground that no officer commanding any unit in J&K would be part of a delegation to China. Now, we have accepted that China's sensitivity on Arunachal Pradesh must be taken into account. This is pathetic.
Also from the article
the two sides decided on a compromise formula.
Well it looks like it was India all the way!
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Today it's Arunachal Pradesh-by the way,we abandoned Tibet decades ago,tomorrow it will be J&K,day after it will be all the N-Eastern states en bloc,next month ,Bengal and next year,Delhi itself! The removal of the officer from Ar.P is tantamount to accepting the Chinese declaration that Ar.P belongs to it! I've never seen a more shameful act committed by any Indian govt,,the abandoning of an Indian state without a shot being fired,for fear of a simple "visit visa"! Truly the pen is mightier than the sword!

Our great "lion",defender of the nation is "compromising" upon India's sovereignty in his "strategic withdrawal" from Indian territory for fear of annoying mere mandarins of the Chinese foreign ministry. Does he not know what the repercussions will be for future administrations of the nation,by this betrayal of Ar.P? This monstrous sell-out over a flimsy piece of paper will reverberate impinging upon our territorial sovereignty down the years?! How do we describe the extraordinary actions of the FM and the MEA? Are they not guilty of abandoning their "posts"? Our PM too,the man upon whom the integrity of the territory of India depends,has either accepted this diplomatic retreat or appears to have completely lost the plot.

If the For. Sec. and MEA had any "marbles" between their legs,they would've either cancelled the defence team's visit,or returned the compliment,by stapling "chit" visas to all Chinese who live in Tibet and Xinjiang.sending a high level diplomatic and defence delegation to Taipei ,would be best of all.As the great Chairman himself said,"a loud fart is better than a long speech"!
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All Izz well
China offers sweet words as India send military delegation
BEIJING: The Chinese foreign ministry has responded to India's decision to send a military delegation to China with positive vibes and promises to "make concerted efforts" to improve relations with India in 2012.
He was apparently applauding New Delhi for realizing Beijing's difficulties in granting visa to an officer from Arunachal in view of its public claims over it.

BJP upset
PM should scrap military delegation's visit to China: BJP
NEW DELHI: Demanding Prime Minister's intervention to cancel military delegation's visit to China, BJP today alleged that the decision to go ahead with it after Beijing denied visa to a senior IAF officer from Arunachal Pradesh was an "insult" to Indian soldiers.

Terming the government's decision as "shocking", party spokesperson Tarun Vijay wondered if "China will now decide India's foreign policy.
"Why should we send the delegation to China, when that country does not allow visa to an officer from Arunachal Pradesh? Tomorrow if our Prime Minister is from Arunachal Pradesh and China refuses to give a visa to him, will we send a delegation to that country minus the Prime Minister. A soldier's honour is not less than that of the PM," he said.
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