Hyderabad Bomb Blast 2/21/13

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‘Can’t rule out saffron brigade’s hand in Hyderabad twin blasts’

http://www.coastaldigest.com/index.php/ ... win-blasts
In the wake of the revival of terror witch hunt :eek: in Hyderabad after last week’s twin blasts, various human rights and secular organisations have urged the Centre and the Andhra Pradesh Government to carry out a thorough and impartial probe into the incident instead of jumping to the conclusion that so called ‘Muslim terrorists’ were behind them. saffron

Many such blasts like Ajmer, Makkah Masjid, Malegaon, Sumjhauta Expresss, etc., were also attributed to Indian Mujahideen (IM) but it was known only later all these blasts were acts of terrorism by the Sangh Pariwar’s clandestine groups that were trained professionally, stated The Revolutionary Democratic Front (RDF), adding that “We must be very careful in such issues.

Each time a blast was attributed to IM, Muslim youth in that particular city were targeted by the police. Hundreds of Muslim youths were arrested and incarcerated for years in jails, it alleged.

The Forum for the Release of Innocent Muslims Imprisoned in the Name of Terrorism also echoed the same view and urged the authorities to probe deeper before coming to a conclusion.

They said that one cannot rule out the involvement of saffron terrorists in the twin blasts which claimed 16 lives including many Muslims in Hyderabad. :rotfl:

Meanwhile, the Catholic Secular Forum (CSF) asked the police to conduct a thorough investigation before drawing conclusions.

In a memorandum sent to Union Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde, CSF general secretary Joseph Dias said that within hours of the blasts, there had been rumours that Pakistan and the IM were behind the blasts. “Now one can expect many Muslim youth to be arrested, something that has not stood up to judicial scrutiny. In the past we have seen umpteen times, after proper investigation, that the Hindutva brigade has also been responsible for such terror attacks,” he said.

Earlier, in the aftermath of the three May and August 2007 blasts in Hyderabad, the Metropolitan Sessions Judge Radha Krishna acquitted all the 21 accused. He said that the prosecution had failed to bring any evidence to prove the charges against them and that the government should refrain from stereotyping the Muslim community and making arrests, unless it was sure of the culprits behind the blasts.

The CSF claimed that legal experts surveying the terrorism cases involving Muslim youths said that the rate of acquittal of Muslim youths in the past had been as high as over 95 per cent, clearly highlighting the bias Muslim youths faced in prosecution. In the case of 70 Muslim youths who were arrested in connection with Makkah Masjid blast and later released by the court, it was perhaps the first time that the government ordered compensation, the CSF said.
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So where does Abu Junadal fit in this picture of Ind Muj operators?
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Here is my story. TWIW

We keep bumping into topics such as authorities doing a "cover up", of police being "clueless" and the modern day term called as "Hindu Terror". To understand why the above are all happening (or looks like happening), I think we need to go back to pre 90s era and understand (1) how riots are triggered between Hindus and Muslims (2) reasons for the clashes and (3) handling the riots and return to peace.

Pre-1990s
Other than few real emotional clashes (Ayodhya movement, 1993 Bombay riots) most of the times it is always trigger the anger and later control the anger with a goal in mind. The goal is to polarize the Muslim vote bank or to change a factional Congress CM by another. The triggers used to be handiwork of central congress leaders or some powerful regional satraps from the congress party.

For everything you need goons/handlers. These goons have to do things like throwing killed cow or killed pigs in localities. Then if no one reacts, they have to react on behalf of the community. Once the reaction happens if the scale has to be shown big, they have to burn houses and shops. If the scale was not acceptable, they need to rape women and kill people.

By the way the police, CID, IB and all those forces know that who does these things. Their only business is to follow orders and nothing to be innovational. They do arrests and releases per instructions. Some of them do innovational things and get transfered. Some of them collect their moolah and do according to instructions.

The local Muslim ghettos will be made to think that their only saviours are the goons. The police arrest them so that they get the sympathy. They get released and the party gives money to the goons so that they can bring the sympathetic folks to the polling booths. It is an engine of polarization. The party and the muslim goons being part of the well oiled system. Quota system was also implemented Per this system only so and so number of people can be killed or so and so number of things can be damaged etc.

Any such system cannot run forever. Things will slowly be known and other parties also can do similar stuff and owners of the goons change too. On top of that same goons are used by Pakistan. Global ummah driven motivations started creeping into the goons. Number of goons increased as all these ghettos does not have proper education. Arms, ammunition and other goodies started flowing. The sources of money increased. Now the party started asking police to keep a tab on localities because the controlled triggers are in the hands of several forces.

Then came the blunders of next generation congress leadership. Ram Temple's lock was opened. It actually became difficult for money taking goons to convince the communities to vote congress party when there are several competing seculars.

The police looked weaker in lot of places because of the equipment, patronage of system and other factors. They started attacking police. As government started losing a tight grip the police and intel started taking a firm grip. The police which is mostly majority community and in spite of corruption did have sympathies with anti-Muslim forces. When the system collapsed, they did a lot of cleanup and cleanup was not structured and at lot of places it was collateral damage.

All the while there are equal number of goons on the non-Muslim sides but were never well fed because they don't need any grand polarization. One or two castes will vote based on favoritism etc. Muslims are the only real one who needs to be kept in the grip using fear tactics. Now as the party weakened and police started taking control in an unstructured way the Hindu warriors started getting prominence. The anger of Hindu warriors at local levels is always there and there is a burning desire to be part of cleaning up (this includes material stuff too like real estate grabbing)

This does not mean the sleeper cells are gone by any means. Instead of being controlled, goons do have other means with external support and weakened political atmosphere and a new number of willing partners like Mulayams, Laloos etc instead of just one INC.

The goons that I referred above are the INC Muslim cadre, SIMI and now IM. Period. The visible ones got into electoral politics. The rapists, home burners are like cooperators, ward members in the Muslim ghettos.


NDA timeline
Suddenly, there is a government that does not know how to deal with this menace of sleeper cells that were grown under the umbrella of INC and its establishment. On top of that ISI is all over India and these are good handles to do destruction at will. However, it has willing Police forces who want to help and also a passionate Hindu warrior groups who want to be part of this cleanup. There are few times in India, riots duration was used by police to clean up the sleeper cells. Mumbai riots under congress rule, Diggy Raja was a great (no sarcasm) administrator and they wiped out streets of Mullahs during his rule. Later post Godhra riots are used to wipe out a lot of sleeper cells.

NDA is the government which replaced a mightily established and rooted system and while it was trying to find clues to get over one crisis after another(Kargil, Kalachuk, Akshardham, Parliament etc.) it probably started during its end period with a structure and plan in place to do a real cleanup of these sleeper cells. Again clean up = killing SIMI a.k.a IM a.k.a INC Muslim cadre. Doing this directly in encounters etc means a backlash. How to do quietly? They adopted a two pronged strategy.

(1) POTA to kill/arrest with no means to easily get released
(2) Infiltrate into sleeper cells and put a wedge between the various elements. Purohit et al are the ones who were probably spearheading this with the approval of intel and Government. (Note: Not all are done by them. Definitely not something like Samjhuta express)

This would have created rifts between the various sleeper cells. The idea would be to pit one underworld over another one. Dawood Vs Chota Rajan type stories.

UPA timeline
During the off time of Congress party for a decade, they realized one thing. If we do not have Muslims with us we are nothing electorally. Do everything to help the goons so that they will bring back the voters to booths. Terror, SIMI, IM is all damn bullshit. They lost UP and Bihar to fourth position is just because of losing all these goons and votes to other seculars. They have to go overboard to convince and get back all these goons and give them handles and issues.

To convince:
(1) wind up POTA
(2) wind up sleeper cell busting mission. Convert it to Hindu Terror
(3) pardon, allow terror activities in a controlled fashion. All except 26/11 are minor and controlled ones.
(4) Create confusion with too many names while investigating the terror attacks. Finally convert this into some Hindu terror stuff as it is always there as a tool.
(5) Batala House encounter - blame the police.

How much this will help them in getting back to older glory is all difficult to predict but that is their significant to become relevant again from a 120 seat after PVNR to 207 in 2009.

Now Hindu terror can be used to discredit several things too :)
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A friend has suggested the following menu option No. 9

To hear IM/LET/POK/PAK denial , press 9.

shiv wrote:
IndraD wrote:नमस्कार, गृह मंत्रालय के बम धमाका हेल्प लाइन में आपका स्वागत है...
Namaskaar, the Home ministry's bomb blast helpline welcomes you

अभी ताजे-ताजे हुए धमाकों की जानकारी के लिए एक दबाएं।
For the latest information on bomb blasts, press 1

धमाकों पर गृह मंत्री के प्री रेकॉर्डेड सदाबहार बयानों के लिए 2 दबाएं।
For a recorded message of the Home ministers daily platitudes about bomb blasts, press 2

धमाकों पर प्रधानमंत्री की निंदा और कड़े कदम उठाने के बयानों के लिए 3 दबाएं।
To hear the Prime Minister's condemnation and strong steps to be taken, press 3

धमाकों पर प्रधानमंत्री के और ज्यादा कड़े कदमों के बयान के लिए 4 दबाएं।
To hear about the Prime Minister's even stronger steps, press 4

किसी ने धमाकों की जिम्मेदारी ली या नहीं ये जानने के लिए 5 दबाएं।
To hear if anyone has claimed responsibility for a blast, press 5

धमाकों पर दिग्विजय सिंह के RSS का हाथ है वाले बयान के लिए 6 दबाएं।
To listen to Digvijay Singh blame the hand of the RSS in the blast, press 6

गलती से अगर कोइ आतंकी पकड़ा गया है और उसे कोंग्रेस सरकारी दामाद बनाने जा रही है तो उसका नाम जानने के लिए 7
दबाएं।
If by chance anyone has been caught and the Congress government is about to make him a son-in-law, press 7 to hear his name

अगर आपका कोइ अपना इन धमाकों में मारा गया है तो गांधी जी की रामधुन सुनाने के लिए 8 दबाएं।
If anyone close to you has been killed in a blast, press 8 to listen to Gandhijis' Ramdhun

पिछले मेनू है ही नहीं, इसलिए ये मेनू फिर से सुनने के लिए 0 दबाएं।
There is no previous menu, so press 0 to listen all over again

और अगर आप खुद धमाके का शिकार हुए हैं, और अभी तक जिन्दा हैं तो अपना गला दबाएं।
If you have yourself survived a bomb blast, strangle yourself.

कॉल करने के लिए धन्यवाद, केन्द्र सरकार के बचे हुए साल आपके लिए शुभ हों..
Thank you for calling. May the rest of the central government's term be good for you.
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Muppalla wrote:Here is my story. TWIW

We keep bumping into topics such as authorities doing a "cover up", of police being "clueless" and the modern day term called as "Hindu Terror". To understand why the above are all happening (or looks like happening), I think we need to go back to pre 90s era and understand (1) how riots are triggered between Hindus and Muslims (2) reasons for the clashes and (3) handling the riots and return to peace.

Pre-1990s
Other than few real emotional clashes (Ayodhya movement, 1993 Bombay riots) most of the times it is always trigger the anger and later control the anger with a goal in mind. The goal is to polarize the Muslim vote bank or to change a factional Congress CM by another. The triggers used to be handiwork of central congress leaders or some powerful regional satraps from the congress party.

For everything you need goons/handlers. These goons have to do things like throwing killed cow or killed pigs in localities. Then if no one reacts, they have to react on behalf of the community. Once the reaction happens if the scale has to be shown big, they have to burn houses and shops. If the scale was not acceptable, they need to rape women and kill people.

By the way the police, CID, IB and all those forces know that who does these things. Their only business is to follow orders and nothing to be innovational. They do arrests and releases per instructions. Some of them do innovational things and get transfered. Some of them collect their moolah and do according to instructions.

The local Muslim ghettos will be made to think that their only saviours are the goons. The police arrest them so that they get the sympathy. They get released and the party gives money to the goons so that they can bring the sympathetic folks to the polling booths. It is an engine of polarization. The party and the muslim goons being part of the well oiled system. Quota system was also implemented Per this system only so and so number of people can be killed or so and so number of things can be damaged etc.

Any such system cannot run forever. Things will slowly be known and other parties also can do similar stuff and owners of the goons change too. On top of that same goons are used by Pakistan. Global ummah driven motivations started creeping into the goons. Number of goons increased as all these ghettos does not have proper education. Arms, ammunition and other goodies started flowing. The sources of money increased. Now the party started asking police to keep a tab on localities because the controlled triggers are in the hands of several forces.

Then came the blunders of next generation congress leadership. Ram Temple's lock was opened. It actually became difficult for money taking goons to convince the communities to vote congress party when there are several competing seculars.

The police looked weaker in lot of places because of the equipment, patronage of system and other factors. They started attacking police. As government started losing a tight grip the police and intel started taking a firm grip. The police which is mostly majority community and in spite of corruption did have sympathies with anti-Muslim forces. When the system collapsed, they did a lot of cleanup and cleanup was not structured and at lot of places it was collateral damage.

All the while there are equal number of goons on the non-Muslim sides but were never well fed because they don't need any grand polarization. One or two castes will vote based on favoritism etc. Muslims are the only real one who needs to be kept in the grip using fear tactics. Now as the party weakened and police started taking control in an unstructured way the Hindu warriors started getting prominence. The anger of Hindu warriors at local levels is always there and there is a burning desire to be part of cleaning up (this includes material stuff too like real estate grabbing)

This does not mean the sleeper cells are gone by any means. Instead of being controlled, goons do have other means with external support and weakened political atmosphere and a new number of willing partners like Mulayams, Laloos etc instead of just one INC.

The goons that I referred above are the INC Muslim cadre, SIMI and now IM. Period. The visible ones got into electoral politics. The rapists, home burners are like cooperators, ward members in the Muslim ghettos.


NDA timeline
Suddenly, there is a government that does not know how to deal with this menace of sleeper cells that were grown under the umbrella of INC and its establishment. On top of that ISI is all over India and these are good handles to do destruction at will. However, it has willing Police forces who want to help and also a passionate Hindu warrior groups who want to be part of this cleanup. There are few times in India, riots duration was used by police to clean up the sleeper cells. Mumbai riots under congress rule, Diggy Raja was a great (no sarcasm) administrator and they wiped out streets of Mullahs during his rule. Later post Godhra riots are used to wipe out a lot of sleeper cells.

NDA is the government which replaced a mightily established and rooted system and while it was trying to find clues to get over one crisis after another(Kargil, Kalachuk, Akshardham, Parliament etc.) it probably started during its end period with a structure and plan in place to do a real cleanup of these sleeper cells. Again clean up = killing SIMI a.k.a IM a.k.a INC Muslim cadre. Doing this directly in encounters etc means a backlash. How to do quietly? They adopted a two pronged strategy.

(1) POTA to kill/arrest with no means to easily get released
(2) Infiltrate into sleeper cells and put a wedge between the various elements. Purohit et al are the ones who were probably spearheading this with the approval of intel and Government. (Note: Not all are done by them. Definitely not something like Samjhuta express)

This would have created rifts between the various sleeper cells. The idea would be to pit one underworld over another one. Dawood Vs Chota Rajan type stories.

UPA timeline
During the off time of Congress party for a decade, they realized one thing. If we do not have Muslims with us we are nothing electorally. Do everything to help the goons so that they will bring back the voters to booths. Terror, SIMI, IM is all damn bullshit. They lost UP and Bihar to fourth position is just because of losing all these goons and votes to other seculars. They have to go overboard to convince and get back all these goons and give them handles and issues.

To convince:
(1) wind up POTA
(2) wind up sleeper cell busting mission. Convert it to Hindu Terror
(3) pardon, allow terror activities in a controlled fashion. All except 26/11 are minor and controlled ones.
(4) Create confusion with too many names while investigating the terror attacks. Finally convert this into some Hindu terror stuff as it is always there as a tool.
(5) Batala House encounter - blame the police.

How much this will help them in getting back to older glory is all difficult to predict but that is their significant to become relevant again from a 120 seat after PVNR to 207 in 2009.

Now Hindu terror can be used to discredit several things too :)
You have to give credit to cons for their killer instinct. This undercover operation was also mentioned by PP guy.
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First time a so called patriotic Muslim figure from India openly and officially bats for IM .
Hyd blasts: NIA's IM claims baseless, says Bukhari

“If the investigators have pointed fingers towards the Indian Mujahideen, then let them declare the location of its office and disclose identities of its activists," said the cleric while interacting with mediapersons in New Delhi

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/hyd-b ... 130225.htm
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May be NIA should search his house.
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I think so too, earlier, I made a similar comment:
Why will anyone deny the possibility of the involvement of a known terrorist organization? the only reason I think of is, this Bukahri guy too is a terrorist sympathizer and/or is a terrorist himself.
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Nice post, Muppalla ji.. :)
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During the off time of Congress party for a decade, they realized one thing. If we do not have Muslims with us we are nothing electorally.
Muppalla garu,

I always wondered why INC has to bend backwards to pacify them. How is this possible? how can a minority help them win an election? is it because the majority is fractured and the vote back gets divided but the muslims always vote for one party as if they are following a fatwa?
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Majority is fractured.
And if you can ensure your vote bank is augmented and the opposition is fractured you win!

They also ensure many fake opposition candidates to split the vote.
Eg Chiranjivi's PRP in AP and that guy in TN.

In early 70s there was a minority goonda/ local fixer for INC. I heard by 80s he was a HMC corporater from our area in Himayatnagar.
Don't know what became of him later but follows the trajecotry identified by Muppalla above.
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Thanks Ramana garu. Yes it is tough if the majority is fractured.
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So Hyd blast case also has been successfully NIAed!

A pattern is emerging. The NIA is rushed in to investigate any troublesome blasts case and manages to come up with so many red herrings and ridiculous chases all over the country that the case in effect reaches a dead end.
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From Vicky Nanjappa...

'Dont target Muslims'
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Mupalla saar, good background narrative

and here are a former officer's comments

Hyderabad blasts: OCTOPUS would have prevented blasts, says Mohanty
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A data point to support Mupalla Ji's theory of IM being the Con Muslim goons of past.

AP had remitted life term of now in-demand IM man

A former member of the MIM, Maqbool was convicted of murdering one Krishnamurthy in Nizamabad district in 1999 and sentenced to life imprisonment in October 2004. But following a grant of remission by then YSR government in 2009, Maqbool walked free.

"You can imagine why Maqbool got remission," said the government official adding that MIM was a partner of the Congress govt in AP until a few months ago.

Maqbool is also an accused of murdering Devender in Uppal and Mahavir Prasad, a jeweler, in Afzalgunj. He is also charged in the bomb blast cases at Kakatiya Hotel, Lal Darwaza, Sharda theatre, Nanded, Lamba theatre, Secunderabad, and the accidental blast at the home of Azam Ghouri, another IM activist later killed in an encounter by the police.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 718690.cms
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^^^
Indian police are not dumb or inefficient. AP, Guj, Maha police are among the top class among the Indian states. The coordination levels are not bad. All they need is independence and free hand which will put INC to less than 100 seats. Just to give you a point of reference - Read late YSR comments after Gokul blasts of Hyd. He said something on the lines - "we cannot reveal the background of why and who". It has dual meaning.
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vasu raya wrote:Mupalla saar, good background narrative

and here are a former officer's comments

Hyderabad blasts: OCTOPUS would have prevented blasts, says Mohanty
Very good interview. He is diplomatic but revealing his thoughts.
It is like another GreyHounds. In Telugu there is a word called as "chittasuddhi" means a honest commitment which is lacking because Terror Elements are a sub set of Congress party.
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Anindya wrote:From Vicky Nanjappa...

'Dont target Muslims'
Freakin idiotic article. Per ShyamD, Vicky is just voice of the sources.
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Ten years ago when terror strikes moved from J&K to interior India, we used to throw tantrums saying India is soft power , Banana republic, now we have regular terror from Kashmir to Kanyakumari
And the discussion is its hindu terror....
What a fall and there is no outrage in the public, but everybody is busy looting...
So what next expel Hindus from India?
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Another Bangalore terror suspect to be released as NIA failed to file chargesheet against him

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/another-bang ... 2-129.html
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ramana wrote:So many names. Its clear that some who were let off in the Mecca Masjid blasts participated in the DS nagar blasts.

Can SwamyG and a team mae a mind map of all the names and connections?

Thanks in advance.
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I spent 40 minutes googling; it is rather a close circle so to speak. People are connected right from Coimbatore 1998 blasts to the current Hyderabad 2013. You name the organization they are involved, HuJI, LeT, TGI (Tehreek Galba-e-Islam), IM, Al Umma, SIMI, ISI.....All roads pass through Saudia Arabia (major junction for handlers and introductions) and Pakistan (training ground). Some of the detours involve Comibatore, Hyderabad, Nanded, Aurangabad, (all the three hot bed for recruiters) Pune, Bangalore. Maharastra, Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka are never far away.

Seriously, I am not going to post the connections.
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ramana wrote:So Hyd blast case also has been successfully NIAed!
May be it is worth tracking NIAs prosecution of cases. We generally hear NIA being pulled in for investigation. Then there is the usual media glare for some more time. After that the case is just put into the record room. I am yet to see any court sentencing people based on a successful charge sheet from NIA. To me it looks like an agency which is just collecting data points for future use (by the politicians etc. etc.). Any chap/organisation/party which does not tow the King makers of India, would suddenly find old skeletons coming out of the closet.
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pentaiah wrote:Ten years ago when terror strikes moved from J&K to interior India, we used to throw tantrums saying India is soft power , Banana republic, now we have regular terror from Kashmir to Kanyakumari
And the discussion is its hindu terror....
What a fall and there is no outrage in the public, but everybody is busy looting...
So what next expel Hindus from India?
The pattern is most of the activities are south of the Vindhyas Range.
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Muppalla wrote:
Anindya wrote:From Vicky Nanjappa...

'Dont target Muslims'
Freakin idiotic article. Per ShyamD, Vicky is just voice of the sources.
Even this article isn't his opinion, he's asking some questions to locals (gauging opinions) , which I agree is a load of bollocks frankly.
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SwamyG wrote:
ramana wrote:So many names. Its clear that some who were let off in the Mecca Masjid blasts participated in the DS nagar blasts.
Can SwamyG and a team mae a mind map of all the names and connections?
Thanks in advance.
ramana
I spent 40 minutes googling; it is rather a close circle so to speak. People are connected right from Coimbatore 1998 blasts to the current Hyderabad 2013. You name the organization they are involved, HuJI, LeT, TGI (Tehreek Galba-e-Islam), IM, Al Umma, SIMI, ISI.....All roads pass through Saudia Arabia (major junction for handlers and introductions) and Pakistan (training ground). Some of the detours involve Comibatore, Hyderabad, Nanded, Aurangabad, (all the three hot bed for recruiters) Pune, Bangalore. Maharastra, Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka are never far away.

Seriously, I am not going to post the connections.
Makes sense. How convenient to view Hyderabad as the Hub :) More ways to influence their cause?
After a two-day visit to Hyderabad, Al-Sati told IANS in an interview: "Hyderabad is hub of innovation, information technology, biotechnology, engineering and pharmaceuticals. We can explore the opportunities for partnerships."
Saudi Investment in Hyderabad
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Tin box explodes in Subhash Nagar Hyderabad, one injured.
Tin Box Explosion
Police concluded that the chemical in the box may have caused sparks and explosion. There are some chemical factories in the area.
Meanwhile, there were reports of discovery of a bag containing ten detonators near MGBS bus stand here, however, police did not confirm them.
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Even this article isn't his opinion, he's asking some questions to locals (gauging opinions) , which I agree is a load of bollocks frankly.
It's not just Vicky Nanjappa - both tehelka and sagarika have gone on record asking authorities not to look at IM/Muslims. The problem is the inability of the Indian elite media and opinion formers, to deal with facts, which include:

- within India, we have some of the seniormost leaders in the country (like Pawar) openly admitting to doctoring facts to misdirect public opinion and possibly investigations to benefit Muslims. So, the fact that leadership in this country will try to white-wash Muslim terrorism, is known. Journalists know this very well, since I have been personally told that post the Deganga attacks in WB, the telegraph received calls asking them not to focus on the Muslim riots in Deganga, as it could create further trouble

- there is almost no significant presence of Hindu terrorism in large countries around the world. Islamic terrorism is on the other hand widespread and endemic. Just look at the number of arrests in the last few hours - 3 Muslim terrorists arrested in France; one jihadi terrorist arrested in Spain; and all this coming within a week or so, of three Islamic terrorists being arrested in the UK. When was the last time that Hindu terrorists were arrested with such regularity anywhere in any large country (outside India)?

- In the last week (feb16-22, 2013), there were 40 Islamic terror attacks in which Muslims killed about 320 people. Muslims are about 1.4B and Hindus about 1 billion globally, yet there are no recorded Hindu acts of terror in the same time period, let alone any deaths.

- India blithely ignores an Islamist who was caught in two consecutive terror attacks in Hyderabad, even though it is a near mathematical impossibility that this could happen, witout some degree of involvement in the terror attacks. In fact, no one even questions this.

- Indian evidence has not shown to stand up to scrutiny - for example, in the Samjhauta incident, the US indictment against the LeT still stands. In fact, the US evidence was strong enough, that it did not cause Chinese opposition in UN subcommittes (China in the UN, has usually stood by Pakistani terror groups that target India). India apart from some forced confessions from retards like Aseemanand, does not have much to go by - yet within India, it is a fait accompli that Samjhauta was done by Hindus.

So, where is this strand of Hindu terrorism coming from that our journalists insist and our NIA ensures?
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Nevertheless SwamyG we need to map it for sake of completeness.

Lets take a 11x17 sheet and draw the circles and then we can fill in the blanks.

My hunch is IM is the terror gang of INC via MIM.

And TSP knows that and uses them as they please knowing that INC cannot retaliate.

Anyone recall the use of Deccan Mujahdeen by the 26/11 Mumbai attackers and the ruse of David Headley urf Daoud Gilani in procuring red strings from a temple in Mumbai to give credence to Hindu terrorists?

Also if you map all the terrorist attacks since 2004 you see Central Police agencies running amok with terrorist suspect names often with just one name and in disparate cities and then INC politicians come up with Hindu terrorists cant be ruled out as a constant refrain to protect their own gangs.

And usually in two months it all dies down due to cover up or dead ends.

The Indian Police Service has failed its oath to the Constitution to protect the citizens and should be disbanded.
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posted earlier? :
IM operative Maqbool a tough nut to crack, finds NIA
When grilled about the blasts, Maqbool reportedly told his interrogators, “Do I have to tell you the same thing over and over again? I had told you everything last time but you people could not do anything to prevent the attack.
So NIA is so incompetent to get some basic info from a known terrorist? and after knowing, they could do nothing? or they knew but was a deliberate inaction.
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Ramana garu: I deleted all my hard work over 60 mins of work, searching and typing. Did not save the file, did not want so many organization and indivudual names saved on my hard disk, and neither remotely connected to my IP address. Can't trust anyone enough. Nobody will trusts a bomman anyway.

Here is some tidbit.....that you might find in line with your hunch - all public information only.

Syed Maqbool was arrested in connection with a murder. Then as per some reports he was pardoned by the YSR government - sometime in August/September time frame. YSR was accidented in September 2009. K. Rosaiah released him and another two in October 2009. Syed went on to help in creation of IMMM with one Ghori. Which led to IM eventually.

His release was influenced by Owaisi of MIM. It seems Syed was a former MIM member. After release he rejoined MIM. As we all know INC and MIM were in alliance. Syed was expelled in 2012.

Then Syed went to Nellore jail using some voter Id to talk to ISI agents Firoz Khan and Abid Ali. One Obaidur Rahman helped Syed in Hyderabad blasts. obaidur's uncle is Maulana Naseeruddin accused in Haren Pandya's murder. Naseeruddin's son is the infamous Riazuddun Nasir connected with Hubli, Pune, Hyderabad blasts.....connections lead to even Coimbatore blasts.

It is all out there in the Internet and newspapers.
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So these could even have triggered the Godhra train burning? Two of the train burning mob leaders took off to TSP.
What were the names?

A blog on Godhra with many names:

LINK
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SwamyG garu,

Most the info you mentioned was posted here http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1415495

I am working on the network diagram. Will post in a day or two.
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"Guilt by association" is a logical fallacy; and just because YSR under the influence of Owaisi pardoned Syed on a murder case, could be no reason to suspect YSR or INC. And so is the case of several Muslim youth and maualanas being picked up by cops for routine questioning/interrogation/investigation etc. The cops can just go to an area and pick some of the rowdie elements for questioning; and the papers will report the names. There is absolutely no proof that these youth were involved in terror activities. However, if the cops repeatedly pick them up or torture them, these folks can get disgruntled and eventually turn totally against the system - thereby the country. On top of it, the names can get spelled differently over the years, sometimes fully or with middle last names ityadi. There is no way to know if it is all about one particular person. So all associations have to be taken with a pinch of salt, else we become laughing stock only.

Having said that, Gujarat High Court did summon one Maulana Mohammed Naseeruddin, of Hyderabad, in regards to Godhra train burning case. The same Maulana was later acquitted by the POTA court. One of his sons Jabir was alleged to have SIMI links. Riazuddin is the infamous guy; he is supposed to have known Mohtasin Billa. Billa was part of Al-Umma responsible for the 1998 Coimbatore blasts. Billa's brother Salim was shot dead by Gujarat Police in 2004. Billa introduced Riaz to Adnan - a SIMI activist.

The Maulana's family seems to get into trouble all the time, and are in the news all the time. Only authorities can tell truth from fiction, if these people, who are radicals, have conducted activities against the country or just merely harassed because the authorities could not bring the real culprits to justice.
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:rotfl: :rotfl:
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Muppalla garu: ma maata gorimchi meeku antha navvu vachinda? :rotfl:
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ramana wrote:So these could even have triggered the Godhra train burning? Two of the train burning mob leaders took off to TSP.
What were the names?

A blog on Godhra with many names:

LINK
Typical congi game, reminding me of Madanpura Varanasi riots in 1991, just by luck foiled by Kalyan Singh govt. Had it gone through BJP have would ended up looking like idiots.
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From Urdu Press in Ind Express.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 4#p1418754
Hyderabad Blasts

Rashtriya Sahara (editorial, February 26) writes: "The investigation into the recent bomb blasts in Hyderabad is creating a lack of confidence among the people instead of generating confidence. There is little hope of any clear leads from the arrests made so far. The most worrying news is that some of the young persons who have been taken into custody had been honourably acquitted by the court and given certificates of good character by the Andhra Police. These developments are intensifying concern. Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde's statement that this is the last act of disorder and terrorism, implying that no such incident would take place again, is inexplicable."

The editor of Inquilab, Shakeel Shamsi, on February 23, writes: "Anybody may have set off the bomb blasts but the country's media has hurriedly described it as an Indian Mujahideen (IM) act. Apparently there was no basis for this suspicion... [And] even though the terrorists of Abhinav Bharat had played with blood in this very city's Mecca Masjid, as usual, the media did not mention this organisation even once. It seems to us that it is only because of such speculation that the police has not been able to reach the truth behind most bomb blasts." :mrgreen:
I didn't catch Shinde's statement earlier. Is he saying no more blasts after this from Ind Muj? What was the context of that quote?
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Hyderabad cops want to keep blast probe to themselves

HYDERABAD: In a clear rebuke to the National Investigation Agency (NIA) that has been pressing for transfer of the Dilsukhnagar twin blasts case to it, the Hyderabad police on Friday transferred the case to its own Special Investigation Team (SIT). Headed by additional CP, crimes, of Hyderabad police, Sandeep Shandillya, SIT comprises six teams who have been informally probing the blasts till now.The question of who will probe the twin blasts is turning out to be a prestige issue, with the NIA trying to take over the probe ever since the blasts rocked the city on February 21. Frustrated at not being handed over the case, NIA officials had sought the intervention of the Union home ministry and New Delhi had dropped hints to chief minister Kiran Kumar Reddy on the issue.

"However, director general of police Dinesh Reddy has made it clear that AP's police teams will conduct all investigations at Dilsukhnagar and inside the state, and that the NIA can pursue the leads elsewhere in the country," sources said. But within the state, jurisdictional confusion continue between the various police departments.

Meanwhile, NIA IG A Ravishankar told the media here on Friday that they had written to the Centre seeking the transfer of the case to them and added that they are awaiting a reply.


The case that was transferred on Friday pertains to the first blast that happened near Venkatadri theatre. The case was registered by Malakpet police and the same was handed over to the SIT on Friday. However, the Cyberabad police still continues to probe the second blast that happened near Konark theatre. The Saroonagar police had registered a case and the investigations are still being carried out by them.

In another anomaly between the two investigations being carried out by the two police teams, the Cyberabad cops had invoked the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act to probe the case while their Hyderabad counterparts did not do so. "As a result, the case in Cyberabad case is being handled by an officer of the ACP rank while in Hyderabad, it is being probed by an officer of the inspector rank," said the sources. However, the police sources asserted that the presence of two teams within the state police is not hampering the investigations. "The probe into all aspects of the Dilsukhnagar twin blasts are being coordinated at a very senior level. The NIA is breathing down our neck and our objective is to gather vital leads into the blasts and crack the case at the earliest," said the sources. Meanwhile, Dinesh Reddy on Friday visited the AP State Forensic Science Laboratory where samples from the twin blasts sites are being preserved.
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Hyderabad police-NIA tussle over blasts probe

http://zeenews.india.com/news/andhra-pr ... 32492.html
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