Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

[Haresh]

The Guardian view on south Asian art: beautiful miniatures deserve giant audiences

They had to drop this sentence in
"Whether Mughal art would get such a warm reception in the India of Narendra Modi is a piquant question"

One of the comments addresses this
VigoTheCarpathian
"There needs to be some balance if a hypothetical allegation is made towards the end of the article re: Modi. It was the islamic fundamentalist Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb that banned art and music across India during his terrible 50 year reign. Why does that important historical point not get mentioned? After all, it was Aurangzeb who murdered his liberal Sufi brother Dara (whose wedding is featured as the main painting in the article)."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -audiences

[sanjaykumar]

As you say, that was 50 years ago. It is not only British Indians who have progressed. So have native British. Many of them now prefer to be called pagan.

Ultimately, there is no utopia. The only metric for a society is whether it is evolving. Britain is, the Us is albeit slowly. Canada is a country where aboriginals were hunted as vermin. Undeniably it has progressed. I am glad to see that India is also starting to churn and be in some flux as opposed to being statist. Again slowly. Great examples of statist societies are North Korea, Pakistan and until recently the gulf nations. One can add Russia to the list, probably. My astonishment with the reforms in the gulf is not trivial. Of course the wealth and education have meant many are not even Muslims in name, they just don’t publicise it.

[Haresh]

Such a waste. There India was a 'Strategic Ally" of the UK and India just wasted the chance!

https://archive.ph/z6auD

It’s time to rethink our relations with India. It is getting too close to Russia

"However, the growing proximity between a country with whom we are effectively at war and a country we trust as a key strategic ally makes questions about the wisdom and desirability of a trade deal between India and the UK increasingly difficult to ignore."

Think about this, UK has supplied and continues to supply a terrorist nation with not just aid but arms as well against a "key strategic ally".

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/c ... eport.html

"To support this aim, Pakistan was the largest recipient of UK bilateral ODA from 2015 to 2019, despite bilateral aid steadily dropping from a peak of £463 million in 2016 to £305 million in 2019"

The sheer arrogance and lack of retrospection is amazing, disgusting in fact.
These words
"In between ranting about the mistakes of the West in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan this week"
Were these adventures a success? do they not think about what drove them into those wars and the long term consequences of them ?
May be other nations in the south are thinking "these people have a track record or incompetence" or "may be we are next?"

[Haresh]

They just can't help it, have to find fault

Why has the BBC pulled its punches in this doc about the Indian super-rich?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why ... uper-rich/

https://archive.ph/Ksgi3

[vera_k]

Nearly a Thousand People Were Convicted of Stealing Over Decades. It Was a Computer Glitch.

Some Indian families covered in the article. Also noteworthy how the UK bureaucracy is said to operate.

Post Office fraud investigators were asked to group suspects based on skin color and racial features, including “Chinese/Japanese types,” “Dark Skinned European Types” and “Negroid Types,”

[Haresh]

Scandalous Indoctrination: Inside a Kings College Counter-Terrorism Course for UK Civil Servants

https://fathomjournal.org/scandalous-in ... -servants/

[Haresh]

JULIE BURCHILL: I thought I'd heard it all on the Rochdale grooming scandal. But these latest reports expose the dangerous Islamophilia of our police who failed to protect so many vulnerable girls at the hands of evil men

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/ ... l-men.html

[Haresh]

At
@Judgemeadow
Community College in Evington, Leicester three 14 year old boys have been arrested for the brutal assault two boys. The other boy not pictured was forced to kneel in a flushing toilet.

It BBC reports the victims were Sikh, we can guess who the perpetrators are.

https://twitter.com/DaveAtherton20/stat ... mo7PQ&s=08

[Haresh]

The UK is literally being held hostage by the peacefools, and they know it.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... l#comments

Still the delusions continue.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... l#comments

[drnayar]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... google.com


Humza Yousaf defends inviting Recep Tayyip Erdogan to Scotland

[Tanaji]

The UK is literally being held hostage by the peacefools, and they know it.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... l#comments

Still the delusions continue.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... l#comments

Hareshji UK goose is being cooked by the Islamists and they are too busy in being woke to notice it. A second school is being forced to shut by Islamist parents

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/0 ... 1705606960


These are the initial signs that Islamists have gained street veto in places like London. It is going to get worse.

[Haresh]

Denial still flows through Londonistan
Finally banning Hizb ut Tahrir is a sop when attitudes remain so blinkered

https://melaniephillips.substack.com/p/ ... ondonistan

[drnayar]

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/j ... un-remakes

State of the art tech, exciting action sequences, swaggering young heroes … it’s no surprise that the world’s new superpowers have fallen for blockbuster air force films. But can they be anything more than military propaganda?

They forgot NaMo in the cockpit !

[drnayar]

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/211021/Two ... Gulf-VIDEO

In a video capturing the incident, the HMS Chiddingfold, a Hunt-class mine countermeasures ship, was seen backing into the Sandown-class minehunter HMS Bangor.

A British military spokesperson confirmed the embarrassing mishap and stated that the cause of the accident is currently under investigation. The incident took place on Thursday at an undisclosed location in the Persian Gulf island state. The collision caused a loud clatter.

An unnamed military source mentioned by the UK Defence Journal stated that teams would be dispatched to assess the damage and formulate a plan for repairs. Addressing the accident, a Royal Navy spokesperson released a statement on Friday, stating, "We are aware of an incident concerning two Minehunters alongside in Bahrain. There are no casualties as a result of this incident, and it would be inappropriate to comment further whilst investigations are ongoing."

A subsequent image revealed a sizable hole in the hull of the HMS Bangor. The HMS Chiddingfold, designed to locate and destroy naval mines, is constructed with glass-reinforced plastic and non-ferrous materials to reduce its magnetic signature. The Hunt-class minesweeper, in service since the 1980s, serves as both a mine countermeasures vessel and an offshore patrol ship.

[JTull]

Won't these ships be moved under the gaze of a harbour master?

[Haresh]

"India is succumbing to one-man rule, beguiled by the intolerant Hindu nationalism of Narendra Modi"

Fascism is everywhere on the march. And it’s Trump who sets the pace

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... s-the-pace

[Tanaji]

The BBC true to form craps over the whole Ram janmabhoomi movement in this article completely disregarding the genesis of it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-68030712


Deviously it starts off from 1949 ignoring earlier history, then spends half the article on Muslims playing the victim card…

[sanjaykumar]

That is exactly why Pakistan was and is needed. So that all communities in the Indian subcontinent can live in peace and security. This is a scary time to be Muslim in India. Or an even scarier time to be Muslim in India.

There is an unfinished business of Pakistan.

[Aditya_V]

The West seems to have more problems with Rama temple Than Islamic Countries , countries which have Muslim % less than 5% , which have huge restrictions on Hijab, Muslim immigration are talking about us who have 39% Muslim population in the Indian Subcontinent are creating false outrages. These countries militaries have killed so many Muslims over the last few decades. The hypocrisy of it all is killing . The countries must first import Muslims from the subcontinent till they reach 25% of the population, who must be include to form 50% of their military, Police, judicial ecosystems and then talk.

They seem to have a clear agenda for the last few hundred years. I somehow feel their creation Pakistan is a cancer for the whole Asian continent.

[drnayar]

The BBC true to form craps over the whole Ram janmabhoomi movement in this article completely disregarding the genesis of it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-68030712


Deviously it starts off from 1949 ignoring earlier history, then spends half the article on Muslims playing the victim card…

"Samir Shah to be appointed as next chair of BBC" .. does that need any further explanation

UK has peepeecee
Kanada has Jugmeet
US/CIA has Pannun

[m_saini]

One thing that I could never figure out is what are the real-life consequences of bbc/wapo/guardian's news coverage? Is it just a bunch of people reading their articles and seething online over evil fascist Mudi or does the news coverage actually change anything on ground?

[Lisa]

One thing that I could never figure out is what are the real-life consequences of bbc/wapo/guardian's news coverage? Is it just a bunch of people reading their articles and seething online over evil fascist Mudi or does the news coverage actually change anything on ground?

When you have time,

https://www.wionews.com/india-news/brit ... vey-675859

i.e., Indians no longer care what is being said as they can see through this medias bias. The belief in these sermons/education is finished! Modi Rules.

[Tanaji]

One thing that I could never figure out is what are the real-life consequences of bbc/wapo/guardian's news coverage? Is it just a bunch of people reading their articles and seething online over evil fascist Mudi or does the news coverage actually change anything on ground?

M_sainiji, there are multiple aspects to this. There is a section of Indians who are self confident in their Hindu identity and are not afraid to show it. Most of us here on BR belong to this group. Obviously such farticles have no effect on them. A growing number of the younger generation born in 2000 onwards who are a part of the new India devoid of baggage are also a part of this group. Then, there is a huge proportion of illiterate and literate but don’t read foreign media and get their news from local vernacular news papers are unaffected as well. The latter are particularly well read as almost always the local vernacular paper is more in touch with reality than Barkhas/BBC types.

Then there is the log kya kahenge types that are more concerned with what the gora skin will think of them than what is good and right thing. These types are MUTU in BR parlance: more woke than the gora. These articles are either written by them or act as a catalyst to do rundi ronaa about fascist Mudi. Note that these types may have a vested financial interest as well. The other section is the Islamist and the leftists for whom it’s a validation of what they have been saying - and they are quite vocal in the media , so are easily able to amplify the impact even though it’s limited to these 2 coterie groups.

However, a more serious aspect is something else which is the digital record. As you are no doubt aware, no one reads books any more except for serious seekers of truth. Research these days is done in Google polytechnic and Facebook/whatsapp university. So long after the topic is no longer being discussed, these articles remain as the digital record especially since they almost always go unchallenged and unrebutted. The members of the coterie groups have already decreed that BBC/WaPo are authoritative sources and it now becomes a classic case of Salma testifying for Fatima. Salma writes the initial farticle for BBC. Fatima from her coterie updates Wikipedia to reference Salmas article . Later Salma or Fatima writes another article referencing the Wikipedia link to make it authoritative. This effect will get even worse with the advent of AI LLM such as ChatGpt that gets trained on such articles and again assigns higher weight to Wikipedia and BBC. So you have future generations using such tools outputting this garbage as the truth and the cycle continues, when the reality is the source was garbage to begin with.

[Vayutuvan]

The BBC true to form craps over the whole Ram janmabhoomi movement in this article completely disregarding the genesis of it.
...

BBC World TV channle, Reuters YT report, and French24, all are toeing the same line set by BBC.

[m_saini]

When you have time... Modi Rules.

That's a fair point but the issue I think is that the BBC/Guardians coverage is reported ad-nauseam in US, CA, Aus, Europe etc that the survey loses it's meaning. You could contend(rightfully so) that BBC is biased but then there are these other international sources that also report the same thing, at times without even the BBC putting it out there first.
I feel that it all depends whether you're a protected minority in US or not. If you are (muslims, black people, jews, sikhs) then you'll never face issues with white media (british & european). All the more reason I feel that China should be more of a challenge to US, that's the "in" for Hindus.

However, a more serious ... begin with.

That's a great point! Imo the greatest requirement of narrative building is having news outlets from different countries validate whatever your propaganda machines are pumping out. So BBC gets the validation from Reuters, france24, dw, al-jazeera etc lo and behold your POV is now the truth in wikipedia. If it's just BBC, you can just disregard it as british media being british but the multiple sources reporting the same thing is what sets it apart.
It's also something that we're lacking as a nation, a partner that people consider as "credible" that can corroborate. Also it's unfortunate that most of India can understand written English. Anyway, that is going pretty off-topic.

[chetak]

The BBC true to form craps over the whole Ram janmabhoomi movement in this article completely disregarding the genesis of it ....

BBC World TV channle, Reuters YT report, and French24, all are toeing the same line set by BBC.

Vayutuvan ji,


what seems to get their goats is the fact that India's foray into the ex colonial countries of africa, asia, and south amrika is successful and also much sought after, especially after the advent of the Modi Govt and the rapport that India has built up in this devastated and colonially impoverished space by investments and partnering with the elected govts on a govt to govt basis

also, India's obliteration of the commie/naxal/ ecosystem and the decimation of these related NGOs, including scum like "am-nasty" and others of the same ilk has seriously upset these NGOs who are a law unto themselves and are intimately connected with the woke media who protect and also give them a good press, for a price, of course....

India does not encourage nor does it depend on NGOs to help other countries. In SL, during the financial crisis, the GoI dealt directly with the GoSL.

But in cashmere, the congis clandestinely gave huge sums of cash to terrorists and politicos, ostensibly to keep them sweet and under "control". This has been recorded in a few memoirs penned by the so called "intelligence" chiefs of the congi era

The BIF operates in India almost exclusively via the poisonous "NGO" based ecosystem and many of them are into conversion rackets and anti Indian activities..... the motivated opposition to the koodankulam nuclear power plant reactors, the sterlite shutdown fiasco were all foreign NGO led thus directly affecting India's economic sovereignty and BTW, the commies and the frenchies were in the mix during the koodankulam issue and huge money changed hands, as in the sterlite case too.

Can anyone explain why foreign NGOs would have to resort to bribing the "local agitators" to wreak social mayhem and deaths by police firing thus affecting local economies and causing huge job losses, as it happened in the sterlite case.

Their policy is spit, light the fire, cause mayhem and if deaths are caused, then that's all for the better as it looks good on the international media, invariably leading to more funding and thereafter, irrespective of the damage caused to the local infrastructure and the lives and livelihoods of their fooled and impoverished "aid" recipients, scoot away as fast as possible before the local law catches up with them.

Often, like in dravidian and other state govts which actively aid and abet these NGOs in their nefarious activities, of course, in exchange for well paid jobs for the boys and girls of influential patrons

In both cases, koodankulam and sterlite, and in numerous other cases in the tribal areas, padres are/were seen among the agitators, egging them on. One often wonders as to how much they made from these agitations because much of the "donations" are simply pocketed by these "representatives" of their god

[Haresh]

Killers who stormed into house and gunned down two rappers with 45 bullets before butchering them with knives are jailed for at least 38 years each

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ttack.html

[Haresh]

The bile continues....

They closed the comments after 34, comments opened at 20.20 and closed at 21:58 !!!
What are they scared of??

The Guardian view on Modi in Ayodhya: an alarming new era for India

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ationalism

[Kedar]

The bile continues....

They closed the comments after 34, comments opened at 20.20 and closed at 21:58 !!!
What are they scared of??

The Guardian view on Modi in Ayodhya: an alarming new era for India

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ationalism

Probably afraid of people like me. I am the one with the 3 comments. Started one comment and replied to 2 replies.

You will also notice that in the rare event they ever open a topic on India/Hindu/Modi there are lots of posts deleted by the moderators. This is common to see. At least a third of the posts get deleted and you know whose they delete.

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[Pratyush]

Over a period of time, i have come to realise that articles or farticles or sharticles like this are not meant for Indian people.

I mean how many Indians are going to read such newspapers. They are written for the natives and in order to keep them servile and docile. By lulling them in a false sense of superiority over us turd world brown folk.

[chetak]

Over a period of time, i have come to realise that articles or farticles or sharticles like this are not meant for Indian people.

I mean how many Indians are going to read such newspapers. They are written for the natives and in order to keep them servile and docile. By lulling them in a false sense of superiority over us turd world brown folk.

Pratyush ji,

they are building a global narrative that will be noticed and finally acted upon by business who use reports by consultants, NGOs and think tanks to figure out the risks in the investment destinations and also the tourist trade

four or five major BIF newspapers are carrying a very similar content, and they all claim that the jihadis are "scared" and the country is in the grip of religious fanatics, while the unsaid implication is that political instability is just round the corner and investment risks are rising to unacceptable levels

no one will ask for proof..... and nor will they bother to even verify the primary sources but tour companies will react sooner rather than later

just look at what happened to the maldives very recently......tens of thousands of tourist bookings were cancelled, along with hundreds of charter flights, affecting a myriad of local businesses that feed off this tourist traffic and the associated supply chains

So, sitting in their airconditioned offices, the BIF are effectively trying to engineer a new risk profile for India, one that fits their objectives and benefits their efforts to destabilize the political dynamics, and also derail India's growth story

It would be quite foolish on our part to ignore the problem and not attempt to correct the new narrative that is now being pushed by the BIF

such toolkits are never meant for the Indian audience

[IndraD]

same content different sites.
-No matter what India does this narrative will not change
-World is struggling with own problems (Hamas, Ukraine, US election, Europe invasion)
-No one gives much attention to these pieces now a days
-they are written for radical left in the west for purposes like
-Make gora crowd feelgood (oh they are so inferior), condition their mind against Hindus so that Islamic love fest continues
-Not much attention needs to be given , all such energy should be diverted to Mathura Kashi now
-Investment is not decided by headlines of NYT et al, investors themselves are divided
(on a side note India has declined visa to an English spinner)

[S_Madhukar]

Yes they can affect our biz rankings but then Bakis and fillistine should be their darlings and attract lots of $$ no ?
Yes it is a subtle way of impacting minds of the next gen and they will do this in 2047 also but best we can do is develop economy and showcase ourselves not too different from how the lizards have.
Plus the diaspora is proof no ola uber happens so most rational people will ignore as most don’t read newspapers.
PeePeeSee has a financial problem as people don’t trust it and don’t pay licence fees. We should counter them but largely by ignoring them, just like you would at school or work and censure any journalists and haters from visiting their pals here and spreading muck at our doorstep.

[Haresh]

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I get the message "Your account has been flagged for special moderation"

Never anything rude or offensive, they just do not want anyone to contradict their agenda

[Lisa]

In todays UK news!

Tobias Ellwood warns of possibility of conscription

https://news.sky.com/video/theres-a-193 ... n-13055178

Army chief says people of UK are ‘prewar generation’ who must be ready to fight Russia

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ght-russia

Britons 'face call-up if we go to war with Russia': Head of the Army will tell ministers troops numbers are so low he would need 'to find more people' if Putin's war in Ukraine escalated and public's 'mindset' must change so they are ready

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tacks.html

[Haresh]

In todays UK news!

Britons 'face call-up if we go to war with Russia': Head of the Army will tell ministers troops numbers are so low he would need 'to find more people' if Putin's war in Ukraine escalated and public's 'mindset' must change so they are ready

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tacks.html

I was just reading the comments section, someone commented to the effect, "Israel, Russia and India tried to warn the West who the real enemy is, but our politicians would not listen!!"

[drnayar]

In todays UK news!

Britons 'face call-up if we go to war with Russia': Head of the Army will tell ministers troops numbers are so low he would need 'to find more people' if Putin's war in Ukraine escalated and public's 'mindset' must change so they are ready

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tacks.html

I was just reading the comments section, someone commented to the effect, "Israel, Russia and India tried to warn the West who the real enemy is, but our politicians would not listen!!"

Who needs enemies [ in plural} when you are a "friend" of Amerika

[vera_k]

In todays UK news!

Tobias Ellwood warns of possibility of conscription

Time to increase immigration from Pakistan then as part of a soldier for passport deal!

[chetak]

They just can't help it, have to find fault

Why has the BBC pulled its punches in this doc about the Indian super-rich?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why ... uper-rich/

https://archive.ph/Ksgi3

Haresh ji,


This was the biggest mistake made by the britshits over many centuries, they let go of India when they could have been a bit farsighted in their thinking and endeavoured to maintain a cordial relationship of healthy equality with India, the new republic


and compounding that fatal mistake, they openly preferred the jihadis right next door

But, the blind and entitled racism of the white man, and his ingrained sense of superiority, that allowed them to see India only as a colony of inferiors was literally the last straw that broke the camel's back and also burnt the strategic bridges

They still go to great lengths to hide their malevolent intent and their covert efforts to stifle India's growth and development since 1947.

A large portion of their colonial documents that detail their malicious actions are still classified.

They spitefully blocked off India's access to the mountbatten diaries.

today, they are desperately begging us for an FTA to help assist in the economic recovery that is necessary for them to bounce back from the economic disaster and the horrendous blunder that was brexit

[Aditya_V]

Chetak Ji, Britain came to India after a 700 year civil war, their main enemies were the Marathas and Sikhs, their Biggest and most loyal slaves were Punjabi Muslims and assorted "Seculars" including many Hindus in India. That is how they could rule India and that's how thier History books and propaganda went. From Martial theory , Dravidian theory etc it was in the favour that Lahore and Islamabad.

For them Hindus are beastly people with a Beastly Religion, they have just continued their policy. So from their point of view why change what was working?