Russian-Ukranian War: Geopolitical Fallout

bala · Post by **bala** » 16 Aug 2023 22:07

After WW-II, the Deep State of Britain, effectively has moved into the US, perhaps started much earlier. Wars are about achieving political objectives and the main issue is resources and sphere of influence. Soviet union was instrumental in winning WW-II, more bloodshed by them than anyone else. As a result, Germany was split between the anglosphere nations and soviets. Its reunification happened just a few decades back. The Deep State is always interested in usurping resources, e.g., Kosovo war was about access to Rare earth materials. Now the focus is about resources from the erstwhile Soviet union nations, like Ukraine. The actual prize is resources from Russia. In order to achieve this end goal they are willing to sacrifice any European nation, including Germany. Nato is a structure by the US to use member NATO nations like a doormat.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 16 Aug 2023 23:22

JE Menon wrote: ↑16 Aug 2023 21:32 >>What's happening is a revival of ancient wars associated with the Catholic-Orthodox schism from 1000 years ago. Catholic side is led by institutionalized Washington, while Orthodox side is led by Russia.

Faith sub-system variation is clearly a differentiator, but I don't think that is what is driving the Eurasian thrust by the Anglosphere. It is resources, old-fashioned greed.

Western Globalist establishment are leading shift away from oil in the name of environmentalism, reducing dependency on oil resources.

Russia had settled into a quiet existence, Putin was holding jazz concerts. But then ethnic/sectarian revanchists embedded in Washington decided to destabilize international relations by overthrowing the Yanuckovitch govt in Ukraine. Those revanchist warmongers were NeoCons, who'd previously led the illegal invasion of Iraq and suffered retaliation for it from the Europeans.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 17 Aug 2023 09:53

sanman wrote: ↑16 Aug 2023 23:22
Western Globalist establishment are leading shift away from oil in the name of environmentalism, reducing dependency on oil resources.

Russia had settled into a quiet existence, Putin was holding jazz concerts. But then ethnic/sectarian revanchists embedded in Washington decided to destabilize international relations by overthrowing the Yanuckovitch govt in Ukraine. Those revanchist warmongers were NeoCons, who'd previously led the illegal invasion of Iraq and suffered retaliation for it from the Europeans.

Agreed

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 17 Aug 2023 19:50

JE Menon wrote: ↑17 Aug 2023 09:53 Agreed

So we can see multiple pieces of evidence here. NeoCons are the main faction who are backstabbing Trump from inside the Republican Party.
They'd latched onto the Bush family ever since the Iraq invasion, and had expected to ride their coattails back into power post-Obama, but unfortunately Trump derailed them with his victory.

Victoria Nuland is a NeoCon who has been able to serve in both Democrat & Republican administrations, she also spearheaded the overthrow of the Yanuckovitch govt in Kyiv.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 17 Aug 2023 19:52

She is now number 2 in state department.

bala · Post by **bala** » 17 Aug 2023 20:41

sanman wrote: ↑17 Aug 2023 19:50 NeoCons are the main faction

NeoCons are the Avatar of the Deep State that existed worldwide (mainly headquartered in Germany .. then Britain, France, Dutch, etc). The English royal family has deep Teutonic ties. In 1714, George Louis, elector of Hanover, became the first king of German origin to succeed the English crown. After WW-II the deep state moved their headquarter to the US. Many incidents that occur(ed) in the world are fully explained by the shenanigans of the Deep State. India looting by the Britshits is also fully explained by the Deep State operating out of Germany, Britain, France, Dutch.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 22 Aug 2023 23:02

Pratyush wrote: ↑17 Aug 2023 19:52 She is now number 2 in state department.

Only nominated so far, position not yet ratified. There is apparently pushback on it - as per Seymour Hersh on his substack in one of his article.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 23 Aug 2023 06:31

The end game is on:

The Coming Battle: ‘Who Lost Ukraine?’

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 23 Aug 2023 16:54

Colonel Douglas MacGregor:

Anant · Post by **Anant** » 23 Aug 2023 23:05

Wagner Chief and 9 others suspected dead in plane crash.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66599733

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 23 Aug 2023 23:06

Well that was fast.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 23 Aug 2023 23:19

https://www.deccanherald.com/world/wagn ... rt-2658340
Western hit job or Putinwa’s Mango gift??
Either way Putinwa is taking direct control of Wagner

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 23 Aug 2023 23:44

Prigozhin, Wagner Group chief, was in a plane crash north of Moscow, according to Russian State mercenary

He has been killed.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 24 Aug 2023 00:21

Trolling from the official Twitter account of Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs...

https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1 ... 15297?s=20 ---> Here's another history lesson for the West.

US-led / sponsored wars have a similar pattern - humiliating defeat, hasty retreat, abandoned allies.

The result: wasted taxpayers' money and human lives lost.

* Bay of Pigs - 1961
* Saigon - 1975
* Kabul - 2021
* Kiev - coming soon

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 24 Aug 2023 00:55

From video footage, the small civilian plane appears to be shot by a missile, AD perhaps.

Whether PrigorDjinn was on board is to be confirmed. Accidental or intentional ? We have the rest of this century to find out.

Avid · Post by **Avid** » 24 Aug 2023 23:56

Cyrano wrote: ↑24 Aug 2023 00:55 From video footage, the small civilian plane appears to be shot by a missile, AD perhaps.

Whether PrigorDjinn was on board is to be confirmed. Accidental or intentional ? We have the rest of this century to find out.

WSJ was showing that video but has since removed it. Same with other sources. I suspect that was not the case.

The timing seems less than ideal for Russia to have done this (distracts from BRICS; expansion; bad news from Ukraine counteroffensive). Russia has been very tight lipped on this (uncharacteristically). Wait and see -- the blackbox etc. have not been retrieved/analyzed yet.

I am not saying Putin/Russia did not do this -- but at the same time, waiting to see what Russia says (and it has not said much as to the cause yet)

Avid · Post by **Avid** » 25 Aug 2023 00:21

FYI - the other most commonly used video showing explosion and crash of Prighozin's plane -- turns out to be a fake. It is a video of when Wagner shot down a Russian military plane.
https://x.com/gerashchenko_en/status/16 ... KTVPwEMajg

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 26 Aug 2023 22:31

https://archive.ph/q2h7F

Investigating the Nord Stream Attack All the Evidence Points To Kyiv
It's a spy thriller that has the potential to change the course of international politics: A year ago, a secret commando blew up the Nord Stream pipelines in the Baltic Sea. Since then, investigators have been searching for the perpetrators. The leads they have found are extremely politically sensitive.

Now would the Germans come open with its findings ? ..this could potentially blow away any support to Ukraine

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Aug 2023 12:51

Kyiv does not have the ability. It was NATO.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 28 Aug 2023 01:49

"and to some extent India"

https://twitter.com/GunterFehlinger/sta ... 2045752800

Gunther Fehlinger
@GunterFehlinger
I apologize for all Colonial crimes during European Imperialism from 1492 to 1975
I am deeply sorry
I apologize
But please that is now 50 years ago
The only colonial powers left today are Russia, China, Iran and to some extent India and Brazil
I call fight today colonialism!

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 28 Aug 2023 03:01

Haresh wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 01:49 "and to some extent India"

https://twitter.com/GunterFehlinger/sta ... 2045752800

Gunther Fehlinger
@GunterFehlinger
I apologize for all Colonial crimes during European Imperialism from 1492 to 1975
I am deeply sorry
I apologize
But please that is now 50 years ago
The only colonial powers left today are Russia, China, Iran and to some extent India and Brazil
I call fight today colonialism!

Thats the idiots job., justifying NATOs expansion under whatever pretext he can think of.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 28 Aug 2023 03:01

source : https://twitter.com/Simonino59/status/1 ... 12/photo/1

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 28 Aug 2023 14:04

Haresh wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 01:49 "and to some extent India"

https://twitter.com/GunterFehlinger/sta ... 2045752800

Gunther Fehlinger
@GunterFehlinger
I apologize for all Colonial crimes during European Imperialism from 1492 to 1975
I am deeply sorry
I apologize
But please that is now 50 years ago
The only colonial powers left today are Russia, China, Iran and to some extent India and Brazil
I call fight today colonialism!

Sirji, you are missing his important tweets, like,

https://twitter.com/GunterFehlinger/sta ... 0402272431

Gunther Fehlinger
@GunterFehlinger
Time for #IndoMaidan 2024
End the Modi regime!
@RahulGandhi

Pappu is tagged way more than once

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 28 Aug 2023 19:26

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 28 Aug 2023 21:09

Lisa wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 14:04
Haresh wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 01:49 "and to some extent India"

https://twitter.com/GunterFehlinger/sta ... 2045752800

Gunther Fehlinger
@GunterFehlinger
The only colonial powers left today are Russia, China, Iran and to some extent India and Brazil
I call fight today colonialism!
Sirji, you are missing his important tweets, like,
https://twitter.com/GunterFehlinger/sta ... 0402272431

Gunther Fehlinger
@GunterFehlinger
Time for #IndoMaidan 2024
End the Modi regime!
@RahulGandhi

Pappu is tagged way more than once

indeed , if that is not a dead giveaway what is ?!!.. pappu is the front to destabilise India and wtf " Time for #IndoMaidan 2024 " .. is NATO directly opposing the Modi regime

..some one needs to take this up and place the bandar where the sun does not shine

bala · Post by **bala** » 31 Aug 2023 10:31

I don't where this would go, feel free to suggest the appropriate thread.
The little known links between Sanskrit & Eastern European + Russian languages

Prof. Subhash Kak explains how Eastern European & Russian languages are derived from ancient India's Sanskrit, & why Vedic links with Slavic cultures are much stronger than with Western Europe.

Slavic word: ShwethaVid - knower of light; Orthodox Greek/Slavic church continued their clockwise circumambulation, refusing western church edict of anti-clockwise circumambulation. See the parallel, wherein a concept is usurped and the exact reverse is done. the Nazis of Germany usurped the swatiska (therefore we are) of ancient India/sanskrit and reversed the direction from clockwise to anti-clockwise.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 01 Sep 2023 23:43

https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/ ... alf-decade

Not sure of the right thread..but profound geopolitical implications

In 2024, four of the world's largest countries and territories will hold elections that will shape global affairs during the second half of the decade. In March, Russia is scheduled to hold a presidential election to appoint its leader until 2030. Between April and May, India will hold general elections to appoint the government and parliament that will lead the country until 2029. In June, the European Union will hold bloc-wide elections to appoint members of the European Parliament for the 2024-2029 period, which will also result in a new European Commission. Finally, the United States will hold legislative and presidential elections for the 2025-2028 period

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 05 Sep 2023 06:38

In the name of sanctions,

LNG imports from Russia rise, despite cuts in pipeline gas

European Union countries have increased their imports of liquefied natural gas (LNG) from Russia compared with before the Ukraine war, despite the EU’s aim to quit Russian fossil fuels within a few years, an analysis by campaigners showed.

In the first seven months of the year, EU countries imported 40% more Russian LNG on tankers than the same period in 2021, the year before Russia invaded Ukraine, campaign group Global Witness said.

EU countries imported 22 million cubic metres of Russian LNG in January-July, Global Witness said in an analysis of data from analytics firm Kpler.

Spain is now the second-largest buyer of Russian LNG worldwide, with Belgium close behind. During the first seven months of 2023, Spain took 18% of Russia’s total sales, while Belgium took 17%. China bought 20%.
...

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 10 Sep 2023 02:23

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 13 Sep 2023 19:28

Russia Overcomes Sanctions to Expand Missile Production, Officials Say

Moscow’s missile production now exceeds prewar levels, officials say, leaving Ukraine especially vulnerable this coming winter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/13/us/p ... ction.html

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 13 Sep 2023 19:35

These newspapers have no shame. Just a few weeks ago they were putting out articles to the tune of how Russia was running out of missile stocks and remaining ones were duds..

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 13 Sep 2023 20:18

Kati wrote: ↑13 Sep 2023 19:28 Russia Overcomes Sanctions to Expand Missile Production, Officials Say

Moscow’s missile production now exceeds prewar levels, officials say, leaving Ukraine especially vulnerable this coming winter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/13/us/p ... ction.html

NYtimes is a mouth organ of the US state dept much like gobar times., the "news" could well be a kick to the ukies to get ready for a ceasefire or something of that sort.

YashG · Post by **YashG** » 13 Sep 2023 21:31

it says russia is going to produce 200 tanks this year against 100 last year. 200 is a joke - it is war expenditure for 3/4 months.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 13 Sep 2023 21:37

Its all relative. How many can NATO countries produce per year?

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 16 Sep 2023 09:05

"You want my property - you can't have it! But I did you all a big favour! I've successfully privatized world peace!"
- Tony Stark

US Senate now wants to investigate Elon Musk for refusing to allow his company's technology to serve Ukraine's war plans:

I don't agree with Palki's take:

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 16 Sep 2023 10:51

Idiots Biden-Blinken-Nuland have reinflamed the North Korean problem again:

By stupidly thinking they could use Japan & Korea against Russia, the Americans have pushed the Russians back into the arms of North Koreans.

The ailing economic basketcase North Korea is now going to get a shot in the arm, reinvigorating it with new life -- and new danger to the US.

What if Russia uses N.Korea to go after US and its allies in the East, just as Washington has used Ukraine to go after Russia in Europe?

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 16 Sep 2023 20:13

The BBC is still trying to portray as if Ukraine is going to win comprehensively:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66829826

Apparently Ukraine is going to cut of the land bridge and take over Crimea. Unfortunately the leave the how part of it out…

YashG · Post by **YashG** » 16 Sep 2023 20:40

^^^
No the article itself does not state that Ukraine will cut off crimea - it only quotes high on hopium ukrainians saying so. Yes bbc is very partisan on ukraine but this article was just a mish mash - it wasnt blasphemous. I have seen more egregious articles including quotes from US military 'experts' that the russian lines will now fall like dominoes, now that Ukraine has reached line 1.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 17 Sep 2023 08:42

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Sep 2023 20:31

Pakistan Exported Weapons To Ukraine As A 'Quid Pro Quo' For IMF Bailout

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/us-broker ... e-in-lieu/

Headquartered in Wah Cantt, Punjab, Pakistan, the Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) have provided a range of arms and ammunition to the Ukrainian Military. These include:

122mm Yarmuk HE-Frag rockets,

122mm howitzer shells,

155mm artillery shells,

M4A2 propelling bag charges,

M82 primers,

PDM fuses,

M44A2 120mm HE mortar bombs,

130mm shells,

40mm RPG7 HEAT ammo,

12.7×99 MM armor-piercing cartridges,

12.7×108 mm bullets, and

7.62×54mm bullets