Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 30 June 2022

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 21 Nov 2023 23:02

It has a 100 Kg warhead for a 380 Kg missile.

Many unique features like special warhead, water-line impact, IIR seeker etc. A report said its small size/weight is an advantage because it can be deployed easily & in larger numbers on corvettes, OPVs, land-based trucks, etc. Given its range, targeting info needs to come from sensors elsewhere.

Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 23 Nov 2023 04:38

https://twitter.com/detresfa_/status/17 ... 1785123032

#AreaWarning #India issues a notification for a no fly zone over the Bay Of Bengal, indicative of a likely missile test
Dates | 06-07 December 2023

bala · Post by **bala** » 23 Nov 2023 21:29

A good primer on propulsion tech for missiles/ammo by Lt. Gen P. R. Shankar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDGCKs1Ffr0

An eye opening, interesting and informative talk by Lt Gen Shankar on the technological enhancements being implemented in Indian weapon systems. Topics touched upon include quantum computing, AI, Space, Cyber Security, Additive manufacturing, synthetic biology, semiconductors, energy (fusion), communication networking, cloud, data sovereignty, manned/unmanned systems and more. Mastery over these technologies provides future innovation and edge in military terms.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 27 Nov 2023 17:24

https://swarajyamag.com/defence/islamab ... n-pakistan

Pakis to locally manufacture Turkish ATGM

Cue for the IA to do an emergency procurement of Spike missiles. Helina, Dhruvastra & NAG are sharing chai + biskoot with babus and jernails

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 27 Nov 2023 18:23

^^
UMTAS (160mm long range anti-tank missile)[8]
OMTAS (160mm medium range anti-tank missile)[9]
KARAOK (125mm man-portable short-range anti-tank missile)
TANOK (120mm gun launched anti-tank missile)[10]
Cirit (70mm anti-armor missile)
Is mein kUansa walla sir

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 27 Nov 2023 18:24

How many gunships do the Jihadi's have to equip UMTAS and L-UMTAS??

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Nov 2023 18:40

OT , Clearly there are relevant decision makers on our side who don't want the best we can be, have a proper MIC, and dominate the Pakis.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 27 Nov 2023 18:41

They have about 40 Cobra Choppers. That are planned to be replaced by Turkish attack choppers.

Haridas · Post by **Haridas** » 29 Nov 2023 02:22

Prem Kumar wrote: ↑19 Nov 2023 10:43 Very pleasant surprise!!

Wondering why the significant drop in range for the SLCM version (half that of the 1000 Km range of land launched Nirbhay).

Length: 5.6m (Nirbhay is 6m). But here it says that the SLCM "cruise" length is 5.6m, presumably meaning that, its after 1st stage booster separation. Which means that the SLCM and land launched versions might have the same length
Dia: 0.505m (Nirbhay: 0.52m)
AUW: 975 Kg (Nirbhay: 1500 Kg)

The AUW is the surprising part. With the form factor of the rest of the missile the same, why is there such a huge weight difference? If the SLCM is a lighter-weight version for smaller ranges, shouldn't the dimensions be smaller too?

I dont believe they are understating ranges, because there is no good reason to, given that Nirbhay's range is known

What to do saar, Yindians always exaggerate or understae their missile range (faviorite complaint of Chinese Primier).

Take for example
Agni-1 is for 1000 -1200 Km range,
Agni-II has 2000-2200 Km range
Agni-III has 3000 Km range (with elephant payload)
Agni-5 is 5000 Km range

So full range (i.e. 20,000 km) Indian ICBM will will be when it releases Agni-20

Indian Physics has faith of power jinn(a) whereby Nirbhay has 1000 km range and repackaged Nirbhay has 500 Km range onlee.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 29 Nov 2023 10:04

Possible sir. But why understate the range of of an SLCM when we have made public the range of Nirbhay, which is twice that?

mody · Post by **mody** » 05 Dec 2023 16:55

Prem Kumar wrote: ↑29 Nov 2023 10:04 Possible sir. But why understate the range of of an SLCM when we have made public the range of Nirbhay, which is twice that?

As per some reports on YouTube, the range of Torpedo tube launched Tomahawk is also similarly reduced. Though I find this claim to be not so reliable or the assertion, that a torpedo tube launched cruise missile would have almost half the range as compared to a VLS launched version of the same missile.

Arun sir/Haridas sir can throw more light on this.

The NASM-SR can also be carried by the Naval ALH and this would provide the IN will a large number of platforms, capable of carrying anti-ship missiles. This offcourse would be the case, when the N-ALH is chosen for the NUH role.
Currently only the Seaking and the MH-60R can carry anti-ship missiles. The Seakings used to carry the old SeaEgle missiles, which have now been retired. Not sure if they currently carry the Harpoon Block-II or not. The MH-60R will be armed with the Harpoon Block-II.

Hriday · Post by **Hriday** » 07 Dec 2023 19:05

Missile canister picture link given below.

@GODOFPARADOXES

Exclusive

DRDO 70 ton canisterised missile system

A5 is 50 ton

Since 5 years have come across multiple references to 70 ton system

In pic it is mounted & secured on a Rotation cum Resting fixture intended for storage & limited transportation, manufactured by Electropneumatics

https://twitter.com/GODOFPARADOXES/stat ... 2Ip9Q&s=19

titash · Post by **titash** » 07 Dec 2023 20:32

Hriday wrote: ↑07 Dec 2023 19:05 Missile canister picture link given below.

@GODOFPARADOXES

Exclusive

DRDO 70 ton canisterised missile system

A5 is 50 ton

Since 5 years have come across multiple references to 70 ton system

In pic it is mounted & secured on a Rotation cum Resting fixture intended for storage & limited transportation, manufactured by Electropneumatics

https://twitter.com/GODOFPARADOXES/stat ... 2Ip9Q&s=19

Related Question to all Mujahids:

What is the desired missile size to provide a global second strike capability?

1) Per this wiki article the largest $ongfeng is ~ 80 tons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-41

2) But the largest Russian ICBMs are in the ~ 200 ton range
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-28_Sarmat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-36_(missile)

What does India's long term ICBM mix look like?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Dec 2023 22:39

1)Topol M is 47000 kg with a range of 11000 kms. However, I don't know what's the weight of the RV alonge with the warhead.

2) The midgitman missile in service with the USA during the late cold war was 13600 kgs with a range of 11000 kms.

It's a common understanding is that the range of Indian missiles is quoted with RV in the region of 1 plus ton weight. With a lighter RV, the range could be higher than is quoted with the existing RV.

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 07 Dec 2023 23:01

India successfully conducts training launch of short-range ballistic missile Agni-1

India on Thursday accomplished a successful training launch of the short-range ballistic missile Agni-1, according to a defense official.

The launch took place from APJ Abdul Kalam Island, situated off the coast of Odisha.

"Agni-1 is a proven very high precision missile system. The user training launch, carried out under the aegis of the Strategic Forces Command, successfully validated all operational and technical parameters,” said the official.

The missile had previously undergone a successful test on June 1 from the same launch site. The Agni series of missiles continues to be a crucial component of India's nuclear delivery capabilities

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 08 Dec 2023 12:19

Agni 1 is the new prithvi! Test everything under that guise

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 08 Dec 2023 23:34

Cybaru wrote: ↑08 Dec 2023 12:19 Agni 1 is the new prithvi! Test everything under that guise

boring !!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Dec 2023 15:22

Missile testing paused in Odisha to save sea turtles - ToI

Missile testing, mechanised boats, and movement of people adversely impact the mass nesting and breeding of sea turtles off the island. Around five lakh Olive Ridleys nested there this year.

The Army and Coast Guard will patrol the coast to keep trawlers and fishing boats from venturing close to the narrow strips of sand near bays and estuaries where the turtles lay their eggs.

Bright light, loud sounds from missile tests affect turtles.

The decision to stop missile-testing at Wheeler Island off Odisha coast during the Olive Ridley nesting season from January to March and other measures to save the vulnerable sea turtles were announced on Friday by a committee headed by Odisha chief secretary P K Jena.
The small turtles are hunted for food and their oil. Unhatched eggs and shells on the sand are used as fertilisers.

"The turtle nesting site is close to Wheeler Island. Since missile testing involves flashes of strong light and thunderous sound, the turtles get distracted," Susanta Nanda, principal chief conservator of forests (wildlife), said.

Around 6.6 lakh sea turtles also nest at the Rushikulya rookery in Ganjam district. The Odisha government has already banned fishing across that section of the coast from November 1 till May 31.

The committee highlighted the need to issue advisories to organisations, institutions, and industrial houses along the coast to stick to outdoor lighting regulations, the chief secretary said. The wildlife division has urged the director of the Integrated Testing Range (ITR) at Chandipur in Balasore to provide space outside the periphery of Wheeler Island to set up seasonal forest camps.

Using this as a base, marine police will undertake joint sea patrolling with the forest department, while the Paradip Port Authority will provide a trawler to the mangrove forest division for vigilance duties.

"The DRDO will also nominate a nodal officer for better coordination with the forest department for the safety of the Olive Ridleys," an official said.

The collectors and SPs of six districts - Ganjam, Puri, Jagatsinghpur, Kendrapada, Bhadrak and Balasore - have been told to coordinate with the forest department for the annual turtle protection drive.

The Rajnagar mangrove division has been provided two sections of 10 armed policemen each for sea patrolling. The rest of the five divisions have been given a section each.

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 10 Dec 2023 06:14

Nice - good on the navy to care for ecology and wildlife!

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 10 Dec 2023 08:02

This is wokeism at its best. Turtles are coming in record numbers every year when DRDO was doing the missiles tests.
https://www.timesnownews.com/viral/4-92 ... e-90610129
They enjoy the missile testing more than humans.

What can be said is that external forces are able to curtail our missile testing through Odisha govt departments. DRDOs position is that there is no such effect on Turtles nesting and missile test. Scientifically proven with record number of turtles coming each year.
New Missile testing is upcoming and they are trying to curtail it through this Turtle Bogey.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 10 Dec 2023 08:49

What utter garbage! Next, they will claim that missile splashdown in the ocean impacts sea-life

We are a 3rd world country pretending to have 1st world problems

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 10 Dec 2023 09:59

The issue of Riddly turtles is not a new one.

My uncle was posted to the site during the late 90s. The DRDO/ MES were always on the toes, when it came to the safety of the Turtles.

basant · Post by **basant** » 11 Dec 2023 09:31

Problem is not turtles but having only 1 site for testing.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 15 Dec 2023 20:12

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1735 ... 02909?s=20 ---> Updates on key products/orders from Bharat Dynamics Limited:

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 16 Dec 2023 12:47

TOI-let paper alone reported yesterday that within this week, 2 tests of K-4 happened

Anoop · Post by **Anoop** » 17 Dec 2023 18:49

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 18 Dec 2023 04:49

https://x.com/writetake/status/1736363666818375940?s=20 ---> In this video released by DRDO, the Akash Missile System (AMS) engages 4 aerial targets, simultaneously at 25 km range by command guidance using single firing unit. DRDO says India became the first country to demonstrate such capability of multiple engagement of AMS, co-produced by BEL & BDL.

https://x.com/writetake/status/1736369022382547271?s=20 ---> Military sources confirm that for the IAF version of the AMS, BEL has been the lead vendor & integrator. Surveillance radar, tracking radar, flight control centre, support systems and the integrated software for the AMS are manufactured by BEL. The AMS - over the years - underwent several trials, with fighter jets dropping parachutes fitted with targets, while on few occasions the PTAs targeted directly. Trials also included high altitude far boundary, multiple targets and mid-altitude\mid-range with approaching and receding targets. The AMS has proven its worth in protecting vulnerable points\areas with a slant range of 25-30 km at altitudes up to 20 km.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 18 Dec 2023 04:56

Anoop wrote: ↑17 Dec 2023 18:49

The presentation looks great, and of-course the confidence to demo this multi bogey neutralization. We always knew we had it in us, just needed to work and keep the belief intact.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 18 Dec 2023 07:36

Akash is an Indian first generation effort. Imagine the performance characteristics of the subsequent missiles designed by DRDO.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 18 Dec 2023 10:00

Fantastic achievement and slick videos!!

The IAF & IA must have immense confidence in the system. Onwards to Akash-NG, QRSAM, VL-Astra & ERADS!!

Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 20 Dec 2023 17:30

Indian Air Force inducts SAMAR air-defence system

The SAMAR air-defence system – as seen at Aero India 2023 – uses Ashok Leyland vehicle mounted with refurbished R-73E missiles on rail launchers.

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has inducted the Surface to Air Missile for Assured Retaliation (SAMAR) system, an IAF source told Janes on 20 December.

According to the source, the service also test-fired the system in mid-December at Air Force Station Suryalanka located in the southern coastal region of India.

The source did not elaborate on the number of systems the service has inducted. However, another IAF official told Janes in February that the first batch will include five SAMAR units.

SAMAR is a short-range air-defence system jointly developed by the IAF's 7 Base Repair Depot (BRD) and 11 BRD in association with Indian private-sector companies Simran Flowtech Industries and Yamazuki Denki.

The system provides air defence against low-flying aerial targets with a maximum striking range of 12 km.

SAMAR employs the IAF's shelf-life-expired Russian Vympel R-73E infrared‐guided air-to-air missiles (AAMs). The AAMs are refurbished and upgraded to perform surface-to-air roles and the missiles can be launched in both single and salvo mode.

The system comprises launch beams, a fire-control unit, an electronic control unit, and auxiliary units including a self-loading knuckle crane, a power supply system, and a servo mechanism feedback unit.

SAMAR is intended to replace the IAF's Pechora systems, which have been in service since the 1970s.

isubodh · Post by **isubodh** » 20 Dec 2023 17:43

Pratyush wrote: ↑18 Dec 2023 07:36 Akash is an Indian first generation effort. Imagine the performance characteristics of the subsequent missiles designed by DRDO.

Quite optimistic.
What motivation will they have for upgrades, their salary or promotion won't depend on it.
Anyone thinking of upgrade will have to get lot of ducks lined up to get funding and explain failures.
Unless the push comes from military for an upgrade, its quite uphill task.

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 20 Dec 2023 18:04

isubodh wrote: ↑20 Dec 2023 17:43
Pratyush wrote: ↑18 Dec 2023 07:36 Akash is an Indian first generation effort. Imagine the performance characteristics of the subsequent missiles designed by DRDO.
Quite optimistic.
What motivation will they have for upgrades, their salary or promotion won't depend on it.
Anyone thinking of upgrade will have to get lot of ducks lined up to get funding and explain failures.
Unless the push comes from military for an upgrade, its quite uphill task.

What kind of comment is this? Where were you last 5-6 years?

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 21 Dec 2023 20:24

https://x.com/Varun55484761/status/1737 ... 02013?s=20 ---> Akash NG Missile Launcher. DRDO is about to carry out the maintenance of Akash NG Command & Control unit and communication system.

ashthor · Post by **ashthor** » 12 Jan 2024 15:06

https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/indi ... ser-trials

India's New Generation Akash-NG Missile Intercepts, Destroys High-Speed Aerial Target In Flight Test, Paving The Way For User Trials

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 12 Jan 2024 19:34

Rakesh wrote: ↑21 Dec 2023 20:24 https://x.com/Varun55484761/status/1737 ... 02013?s=20 ---> Akash NG Missile Launcher. DRDO is about to carry out the maintenance of Akash NG Command & Control unit and communication system.
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Pleasantly surprised to see no 'expert' comments like 'Where is bullet proof protection for the drivers cabin?', 'There is no side-guard protection for the fuel tank' ...

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 16 Jan 2024 15:06

India test fires new gen Akash missile

India's state-run Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has test-fired the new-generation Akash (Akash-NG) surface-to-air missile (SAM) from the Integrated Test Range (ITR) in Chandipur off India's northeastern coast of Odisha, the Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) said in a press release in mid-January.

According to the MoD, the flight test was conducted against a “high-speed unmanned aerial target at very low altitude … and the target was successfully intercepted by the weapon system”.

The test has validated the functioning of the complete weapon system consisting of the missile with indigenously developed radio frequency (RF) seeker; launcher; multifunction radar; and command, control, and communication system, the MoD said.

System performance was validated through data captured by a number of radars, telemetry, and electro-optical tracking systems deployed at the ITR, according to the MoD.

“The successful flight test has paved the way for user trials,” the MoD added.

According to Janes Land Warfare Platforms: Artillery & Air Defence, the Akash-NG is a short-range mobile SAM system with an interception range of up to 50–60 km.

Development of the Akash-NG was approved in late 2016 for an estimated INR5 billion (USD60.3 million). The Akash-NG missile appears similar to the AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM), but the tailfins more closely resemble those of the Barak long-range air defence (LRAD) missile.

The Akash-NG features a dual-pulse solid-fuel rocket motor in place of the heavier airbreathing ramjet engine used in earlier Akash variants.

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sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 16 Jan 2024 16:56

Test video of ULPGM (UAV launched PGM) surfaces

https://twitter.com/DefenceDecode/statu ... 3Uppg&s=19

Looks to be an unpowered variant.. Still going to be quite handy to deliver a quick 'pain-in-a-can' type strikes.. esp against Hoor seeking clowns hiding in the vegetation..

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 16 Jan 2024 20:55

Akash-NG ranges all over the place after recent tests: 30 Km, 50 Km, 60 Km etc

When tests were repeatedly done in 2021 and 2022, the range was consistently claimed to be in the 70 - 80 Km range - a.k.a its a replacement for MRSAM/Barak-8

And the 70 - 80 Km range makes sense because DRDO built the dual-pulse motor tech for the MRSAM. Akash-NG is nothing but the indigenous equivalent of the MRSAM. That's why the Janes report above says that its tail fins have a resemblance

Yehudis will try via their import lobby buddies to scuttle the Akash-NG induction or limit its order size

bala · Post by **bala** » 24 Jan 2024 22:29

Alpha Defense Hindi is claiming 900 km Brahmos test is successful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc_wFo-APDo