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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by ramana » 07 May 2013 23:38

Vivek, I am closing the thread and archiving it.

ramana

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by vivek_ahuja » 07 May 2013 23:31

jamwal wrote:Vivek sahib,
I've sent you a message on FB. pliss to check if it's of any use to you.


Jamwal-mian,

I have it. Sent you reply. Pliss to see. :)

-Vivek

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by jamwal » 06 May 2013 23:23

Vivek sahib,
I've sent you a message on FB. pliss to check if it's of any use to you.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by vivek_ahuja » 05 May 2013 07:30

Manish_Sharma wrote:Vivek I have a request, that you send a copy of your book as a gift to all the channels timesnow, aajtak , ibn etc. maybe reading 'Chimera' they get an idea of situations gravity, move from their lazy backs and start reporting on DBO escalation.


I guess I should send them those free copies. Couldn't hurt. But I am unsure whether they will even grasp the aggressive stance of the book or dismiss it and go back to their regular activities.

-Vivek

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by vivek_ahuja » 05 May 2013 07:28

So it appears as though certain aspects of this scenario have indeed come into play.

1) Its 2013 and the PLA is indeed getting itchy and unable to scratch, so they are going berserk against all their neighbors.
2) The GOI of today is living up to the characters in the book. Except that we had at least a few characters that had balls in the novel but in reality they too are missing. :((
3) DBO is the preferred area of action (geography doesn't lie)

That said, it now appears I had quite simply overestimated both the Indian military's preparedness in the 2013-14 time-frame while underestimating the defeatist (read: non-aggressive) mindset that seems to be rotting the system from the inside at Army HQ in Delhi. I haven't seen a single aggressive statement (not asking for actions, just even statements will do!) from any of the uniformed brass at the travesty that seems to be happening in Ladakh. :evil: :((

Sigh.

-Vivek

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by Virendra » 04 May 2013 16:07

As a first and possibly disastrous attempt, I wrote a story. :P
It is not about a war on the border, but has military elements in the plot.
Perhaps urban warfare would be the term.
It will be great if some of you could read and let me know how good or bad it is.
I would be happy to improve :
http://wp.me/p1VuZt-d

Regards,
Virendra

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by Ghatotkacha » 25 Apr 2013 19:59

Seeing current state of affairs at LAC, Indian Army chief's order went out to commanders at border: "Stand-by to execute operation Chimera on my command!!!" and Vivek is brought into CCS meeting as a special adviser.
(A possible military scenario)


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By the way:
Everyone on TV and elsewhere is asking why Chinese leadership doing what they are dong right now. A possibility could be that Chinese just finished translating and reading Vivek's book and decided to take the initiative to address their inherent insecurity, while our brave and forward thinking great PM and FM still living in state of denial, far away from reality. Same applies to Indian publishers who rejected Vivek's book, which clearly is out their own league and construct of their mental ability.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by Manish_Sharma » 25 Apr 2013 15:41

Vivek I have a request, that you send a copy of your book as a gift to all the channels timesnow, aajtak , ibn etc. maybe reading 'Chimera' they get an idea of situations gravity, move from their lazy backs and start reporting on DBO escalation.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by RamaY » 23 Feb 2013 06:09

Vivek ji

I am thinking about Chinese nuke positioning. Just checking to see if this occurred to you...

I think China is equipping Pakistan with all nuke-infra (design, Pu/Eu, tests and even some cash to start and run nuke power plants) in the hope that

- Pakistan wil raise enough nukes to counter India and potential west-Asia threats.
- this will make PRC nuke arsenal sufficient enough to counter NATO/Russian threats
- NK will cover SK and JP threats

The benefit of this strategy is that PRC will not trigger a NATO/Rus armas race, while china havin (hopefully) access to NK/TSP arsenal in times of need.

If my analysis is right, after couple of successful tests, NK too will start making nukes in hundreds same as Pakis.

Your scenario however is a possibility where TSP wouldn't play it's part in a potential Indo-Chin nuke war. That is why PRC stopped with few nukes?

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by rohankumaon » 22 Feb 2013 16:07

@Vivek_Ahujha - Got my copy from amazon! Looking forward to write a detailed review on Amazon :) Thanks a ton for these scenarios!

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by vivek_ahuja » 31 Jan 2013 08:39

Admins please archive this thread now that this scenario is done and dusted.

I would like to start a new scenarios dhaga for the next scenario if you all don't mind. This one is at 86 pages now! But if its too much trouble we can merge the new one with this page.

Thanks and regards.

-Vivek

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by chaanakya » 26 Jan 2013 22:54

Hair-raising landing at Paro. Just imagine what our Air-force pilots would have undergone to airlift the Paras there.
Hats off to them to serve such difficult airstrips.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by nits » 25 Jan 2013 17:23

Not sure if this is posted before...

Scenario where China captures Pakistan – A Scenario by 2017-2022 : Should India join US in China containment?

Read more: http://frontierindia.net/china-captures ... z2IzM0qUDP

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by Klaus » 23 Jan 2013 17:38

Dear Vivek,

Really great scenario with life-size characters. Hope to see you back on this thread after a short break. We BRFites will do our bit in our daily lives to promote your book in our immediate circles.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by Prem » 23 Jan 2013 00:37

RamaY wrote:Vivekji... good attempt...you need to learn a lot though
Looks like you didn't get the memo. Home Minster of Shinde ji said in Parliament of India that Sri Hafiz Sayeed saab doesnt have anything to do with terrorism in India and the real concern for India is Hindu terrorism. Home Secretary supported these claims by releasing details of 10 suspects.
Next scenario should be about Hindu Terrorism.

:rotfl:

RNIs dekha Khwab , tho yeh silisla challe
India ko Pakistan banane PM ji Challe
HM Shinde ko bhi Khujli Laggi
Thumb Mush me daala owwr
Soong Karr Bole
Yeh terrorist Buddboo
Aa rahi hai Saffron walo sey.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by RamaY » 22 Jan 2013 23:58

Vivekji... good attempt...you need to learn a lot though

but i think it could have been better. i think you should learn from my example scenario i have given.

VKumar wrote:would have appreciated to read work of maoists in India during the period, islamic terrorists to support PRC and Tibetan guerillas against PRC.


Looks like you didn't get the memo. Home Minster of Shinde ji said in Parliament of India that Sri Hafiz Sayeed saab doesnt have anything to do with terrorism in India and the real concern for India is Hindu terrorism. Home Secretary supported these claims by releasing details of 10 suspects.

Next scenario should be about Hindu Terrorism.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by Ajit.C » 22 Jan 2013 23:49

Vivekji - Congrats on completing an enthralling story.Should say Bravo Zulu.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by VKumar » 22 Jan 2013 22:26

would have appreciated to read work of maoists in India during the period, islamic terrorists to support PRC and Tibetan guerillas against PRC.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by VKumar » 22 Jan 2013 22:24

Thoroughly gripping!

Now for some griping! No mention of cyber warfare.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by Chinmayanand » 22 Jan 2013 18:24

The only thing i found missing in the scenario is the role of big bad amrika . Though russians found a role, the amrikans got missing in such an important war.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by nits » 22 Jan 2013 15:51

Vivek - Fantastic work and amazing writing style... this is the real talent which is just waiting to explode once your book is out... As a starter how about creating a Page on Facebook and spread the word...

Eagerly waiting for your book; it will be one of my treasure in all my collection :) You have a great future Sir... All the best

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by RAMESHJ » 22 Jan 2013 15:18

Thank you Sir.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by rsingh » 21 Jan 2013 21:21

Vivekuddin bin Kitabi..................in LMU parle. Great job Vivek Saar.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by Singha » 21 Jan 2013 18:51

so its over? I wonder if there are any posts detailing the aftermath 'adjustments' in India , Cheen, relations with the P2, Sino-Japan/Taiwan relations...but I guess its better left for the book rather than fall prey to the rona dhona here.

great work and I look fwd to seeing the book out.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by k prasad » 21 Jan 2013 18:05

Beautiful work Vivek. Would love to get the book now to see the detailed epilogue, especially wrt international reactions.

Could we maybe have a few more teaser posts with some more details? Pretty please?

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by nash » 21 Jan 2013 12:14

vivek_ahuja wrote:Absolutely.

I guess the decision on whether the discussion can be done on this thread is up to the admin but other than that, I am okay in doing whatever what-ifs might have occured to you during the course of the scenario. I will of course answer any scenario specific questions that I can.

-Vivek


I think we can discuss in this thread because things like LRCM,Satellite,UAV or UCA,Mother missile,Laser,etc would be assumtions in the next scenario and people or experts can discuss and give their insights here, what will the status of these weapons in a decade.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by rohanldsouza » 21 Jan 2013 11:32

Vivek - Thanks for an awesome story. Even though I am relative newbie on the board I have followed the scenarios for a few years.
Love the details you bring.

As someone who loves defense tech I must say you guys eye for details is outstanding. Keep up the Good Work.

Eagerly waiting for your book to come out.

I second pandyan's suggestion above - Consider writing Full Time instead of a hobby. :)

Military fictions writers are a rare breed.

A Suggestion - Indian Publishers should seriously take note of the talent on this board and nurture this talent for All the Lovers of Indian Military fiction. Who knows maybe the "Indian Armed Forces" are doing so already.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by MurthyG » 21 Jan 2013 06:43

Not anything that has not been said before. But Amazingly realistic scenarios Vivek ji.
Shat Shat pranam.
Will be waiting to buy your book on amazon.
Best Regards.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by vivek_ahuja » 21 Jan 2013 01:09

To all readers,

A big thank you for all your comments and compliments! I have no words to express how much I appreciate those who pushed me to complete this massive undertaking to its relatively successful conclusion.

As Disha pointed out, we have been on this scenario since 2008! Its been four years!

Hopefully the next one (which I will start in about a week or so) will not be as murderously long since I do have a starting point here at the end of this scenario for its sequel. I hope you will enjoy the more streamlined ride this time.

Thanks

-Vivek

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by vivek_ahuja » 21 Jan 2013 01:05

RamaY wrote:Now that the scenario is over, is it possible to discuss the 'realized' logistic issues/failures and ordinance/missile deficiencies that led to escalation of war? For example would it have been possible to achieve the same end result if India had LRCMs, strategic bombers, more defense satellites, HALE UAVs etc?

I know some of it is part of preparation for next scenario, but we can do some technology and capability discussion?


Absolutely.

I guess the decision on whether the discussion can be done on this thread is up to the admin but other than that, I am okay in doing whatever what-ifs might have occured to you during the course of the scenario. I will of course answer any scenario specific questions that I can.

-Vivek

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by disha » 20 Jan 2013 11:10

This scenario started on 26 August 2008., this is actually the second post from Vivekji starting this entire thread.

NEW DELHI
DAY 1 + 0950 HRS

“So what can you tell me about the Lhasa situation?” the Minister asked.
“Tense.” The Ambassador replied before reaching for his cup of tea. His eyes did not move up to match those of his host. A few seconds of silence then reminded him that more was required from him. His eyes finally caught up with those of the host.


Thanks a lot again Vivekji for your persverance, patience and above all your very riveting story telling abilities. Let us know when the book comes out. You should have autograph specials for the BRF jingoes!

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by Aaryan » 20 Jan 2013 09:58

Vivek Sir,
Take a bow....

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by member_23360 » 20 Jan 2013 07:36

Amazing piece of work, got addicted to your posts

All the Best !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by Misraji » 20 Jan 2013 00:05

@Vivek_Ahuja.

Beautiful piece of work, Sirjee. Kudos to you.... :)
And gyan about battle simulation was much appreciated.

Looking forward to your books.

--Ashish

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by manum » 19 Jan 2013 22:46

Vivek it was beautiful game of chess you played...

It takes a lot of technical skill, calculation....and knowing where you lost or won...

good luck with the book...

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by Chinmayanand » 19 Jan 2013 22:38

Awesome writing , Vivek . Looking forward to your book and wish you a great success. :)
Your scenaio was a very strong reason to land up here on BRF every now and then. The excitement to click on the last page of this thread hoping for your new posts and the joy after seeing them can not be put in words. A big thanks to you !!! Hope, you will start the second one soon and bring the excitement,wait and joy back along with the passionate feedback from all other folks.

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by Misraji » 19 Jan 2013 20:49

disha wrote:Misra, before you comment on what others want or not based on your prejudices and biases, please learn more. Particularly the reasons why nukes are coveted and nukes are deemed to be useful. Even IK Gujral, who famously sold India's covert capability bringing India down to knees by his famous (and much reviled) Gujral doctrine coveted nukes. If you do not know please learn.

The current concept of Non-violence as propounded curretly is the first and last resort of cowards or people who do not want to take a stand.

Further, visit Hiroshima and Nagasaki (no physically visit them first) and show me future generations being born with radiation-related illnesses and deformties living among ruins of once magnificient cities.

You cannot base your arguments on lies and rona-dhona. So stop this rona-dhona, first get a life, then get some knowledge.


@Disha:

I am willing to discuss view points and accept that I am wrong if needed.
I perfectly accept the idea that different people can have different opinions based on a variety of environmental factors and that its alright.

However, the language that has been used in the various posts have left a bitter taste in my mouth.
So I withdraw from this argument.
You have won.

--Ashish

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by hpatel » 19 Jan 2013 19:48

Thanks for dedicating so many hours/days/years, and sticking to it, to complete the story for us.
:-)

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by RamaY » 19 Jan 2013 19:28

Vivekji

Now that the scenario is over, is it possible to discuss the 'realized' logistic issues/failures and ordinance/missile deficiencies that led to escalation of war? For example would it have been possible to achieve the same end result if India had LRCMs, strategic bombers, more defense satellites, HALE UAVs etc?

I know some of it is part of preparation for next scenario, but we can do some technology and capability discussion?

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Post by trushant » 19 Jan 2013 17:28

Vivek .... there is an article in today's ET...it talks about Amish Tripathi's book marketing technique after his first book in Shiva Trilogy was rejected by each and every publisher in India...reason..no readership / connect with youth for topics on Gods etc.
He printed the first chapter and distributed it at major bookstores as a sampling initiative, also got a movie trailer made for the book and uploaded on Youtube. He created the buzz first ... inquiries started pouring in which in turn forced the publishers to stand up and take notice. So if you find these guys giving similar reasons ... BR junta would happily do all the aforementioned things to create the buzz at right places

At the same time ..let me thank you for adding some real thrill in our 9 to 9 lives... as I had said earlier ..while reading your posts I could visualise all those events, places mentioned in your scenarios ..be it CMC meetings in Beijing, Col Fernandes' Pinaka battery in Bhutan, Maj Kulkarni in our very own Arjun MBT on DBO front...and lots more. Over and above that you took pains to explain your rationale behind each event which I think helped the forum members to better understand the logic and implications of each post. The book reader would miss this part although you may think of providing a link to this thread in your novel for those who want to understand things better.

Finally ..take a bow Sir!

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