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by peter
08 May 2018 06:45
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Everyone concurs out of Africa is about 90K years ago. Link: First human migration out of Africa more geographically widespread than previously thought And others of same genre. Scientists have discovered a fossilized finger bone of an early modern human in the Nefud Desert of Saudi Arabia, dating ...
by peter
08 May 2018 02:36
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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ramana wrote:peter, I think Garden of Eden is Africa.

There is nothing like that in the desert regions of West Asia.
And the migration to Egypt.

Would you know how solid is the evidence for dating of dispersal of humans from africa? And what is this evidence?
by peter
08 May 2018 02:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Would you know how come all humans are descended from africans and yet our languages have no memory of an african homeland? Would the ASI/ANI authors know the answer to this? Because that was 100,000 years ago? PS: for a case of long memory, see this: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015...
by peter
07 May 2018 19:34
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Might need to register to see this article; but the key points are: https://www.genomeweb.com/scan/fewer-white-people-please?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Scan%20Thurs%202018-05-03&utm_term=The%20Scan%20Bulletin#.Wu29i8jaufc The lack of diversity in genomic research ...
by peter
18 Apr 2018 20:12
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Let me ask a dumb question: Modern Indian population is being modeled as a cocktail of Steppe_MLBA, Iran_N, AASI, Onge etc. Presumably because: 1) Common mutations can be found 2) They fit a statistical curve 3) aDNA from Steppe, Iran are available, thereby positioning them as a possible source Poi...
by peter
18 Apr 2018 20:11
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5702378/ World-wide distributions of lactase persistence alleles and the complex effects of recombination and selection Anke Liebert,1,3 Saioa López,1 Bryony Leigh Jones,1 Nicolas Montalva,1,2,4 Pascale Gerbault,1,5 Winston Lau,1 Mark G. Thomas,1 Neil Br...
by peter
17 Apr 2018 19:43
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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The cattle connection has been noted before: http://hinducause.org/2017/08/30/forgotten_desi-cattle-baluchistan-iran/ August 2017 n subsequent blogs, we shall dwell more on how these cattle could offer vital rejoinders to the Aryan Migration Theory. Western and Northwestern India first faced land i...
by peter
16 Apr 2018 18:24
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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A_Gupta wrote:It will be supremely fitting if Gau Maata saves our history!

Indeed. Though the milk digesting gene is in humans. Sorry if that was clear. This topic is a bit arcane for me.
by peter
16 Apr 2018 14:02
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Worldwide Patterns of Ancestry, Divergence, and Admixture in Domesticated Cattle http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1004254 Bos taurus taurus was domesticated in the Middle East while Bos taurus indicus was domesticated in India. It is likely is that a hypothetica...
by peter
17 Mar 2018 05:20
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Lets keep aside the point of whether Vyasa meant the AV observation as a "bad omen" or not. .. But that is precisely the point. Vyasa starts off that discussion with Dhritrashtra by talking about bad omens. How does one leave it out? An observation that became true in 11000 BC and remaine...
by peter
16 Mar 2018 19:53
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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I'm guilty of a little oversight in my earlier post. The RA difference between Mizar and Alcor is indeed 19.5 arc minutes currently, and (if Voyager, Stellarium, etc. can be trusted) was around -8.7 arc minutes (Alcor being ahead of Mizar) back in 5900 BC. But this is not the same as angular separa...
by peter
16 Mar 2018 19:52
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Nilesh ji, for those quibbling about "Oh,Arundhati had been ahead of Vashishta for X,000 years by 5565 BC, if Vyasa had really lived in 5565 BCE, why would He make such a big deal of A/ V?" Maybe an appropriate response would be: Why do people today keep saying "ghor Kaliyug," a...
by peter
16 Mar 2018 19:49
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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My latest commentary at Pragyata.com (4 of 4) Prof. Achar responds... (3 of 4) http://www.pragyata.com/mag/mahabharata-war-date-rebuttal-to-claim-of-5561-bce-466 The change in her behavior occurs in 11091 BCE. She was following Vasishtha, but changes into leading Vasishtha. That is when the change ...
by peter
07 Jan 2018 16:00
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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.... That said I think I need I need to be indulged in my creation of a semantic argument for putting a date of at least 10,000 ybp on the Rg Veda. .... Shatpath Brahman refers to Krittikas rising exactly in the east. SB Dixit and others have shown this event to be in the range 2925 +/- 100 BCE. Th...
by peter
17 Dec 2017 19:17
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Personally to me this word appears identical to the Indian Sarasvati. This equation (Saravati == Harahvaiti) is accepted by many scholars including Indian. That's the problem with our discussion. It may appear similar but meaning is entirely different. You are still not producing any credible sourc...
by peter
17 Dec 2017 19:14
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

As I posted earlier Sanskrit S is Iranian H. So do the required substitution for H in Harahvaiti and see what you get. As far as naming a region from the river name that is quite Indian also as Saraswats ( a big group of Brahmins) are from the land of Saraswati. And can you please keep the adhomine...
by peter
17 Dec 2017 02:54
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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That is a bad assumption, and we don't need much math to see it. Imagine a pair of stars that are on the same meridian with today's north (celestial) pole, i.e., they are identical in their east-west positions, they are only differ in north-south (i.e., they differ in declination, but have the same...
by peter
17 Dec 2017 02:48
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

These two words are almost identical: Sarasvati and Harahvaiti. They can't represent two different things. Sir please don't keep posting utter bullshit. Even a 5th standard student will tell you that Sarasvati and Harahvaiti are different. Are you insane or do you think we are stupid? As I posted e...
by peter
17 Dec 2017 02:45
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

These two words are almost identical: Sarasvati and Harahvaiti. They can't represent two different things. They represent different things. Repeating same thing again and again can't make it true. If you want to respond to me by one liner again, forget about the discussion. I don't have time for st...
by peter
17 Dec 2017 02:43
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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You have to do more research but I had mentioned that the name is used for land also. Though if you study Indian communities they have names such as Saraswat Brahmin, or Goud Saraswat Brahmin. The word Saraswat in these names stands for a memory that they migrated from a region where saraswati flow...
by peter
14 Dec 2017 16:03
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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You have to do more research but I had mentioned that the name is used for land also. Though if you study Indian communities they have names such as Saraswat Brahmin, or Goud Saraswat Brahmin. The word Saraswat in these names stands for a memory that they migrated from a region where saraswati flow...
by peter
13 Dec 2017 14:15
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Here is a quote from my unpublished work l Which family was involved in writing the vendidad is an interseting question as well.As per books, the division of priests politicaly was as follows: 1)bharatas royal class victor in the dasarajanya yuddha. 2)angiras-priestly class of bharatas 3)vashishta-...
by peter
13 Dec 2017 14:12
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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...... I believe I mostly understand what you have explained. However, what I was trying to point out is this. Let us say that A is the set of all events represented by a pair (X,Y), where X is a full moon event and Y is a new moon event. Let Z be the set of eclipses, so Z is a proper subset of X. ...
by peter
13 Dec 2017 14:11
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..... Harahvaiti is not river. But land. Avesta name is Harahvaiti. ,.... You have to do more research but I had mentioned that the name is used for land also. Though if you study Indian communities they have names such as Saraswat Brahmin, or Goud Saraswat Brahmin. The word Saraswat in these names...
by peter
12 Dec 2017 02:26
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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I never knew there was a point of view in India that claimed "the words in the Veda have no meaning". I said, the "meanings" of the words in the Veda are yet unknown and are not the same as the meanings derived in the Sanskrit language. Yaska discusses Sanskrit, but the Veda is ...
by peter
12 Dec 2017 02:21
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Come on. This is not even a trick question. Aryans had a break up in India and some of them left and settled in Iran. They named the river that they settled around in Iran Sarasvati . Since they couldn't pronounce S they used H and hence Haraxavati . Peter - If i ask what does your name mean - it c...
by peter
12 Dec 2017 02:19
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Sanskrit sáras means ‘pool, pond or lake’; the feminine sarasī́ means ‘stagnant pool, swamp’. Like its cognates Welsh hêl, heledd ‘river meadow’ and Greek ἕλος (hélos) ‘swamp’, the Rigvedic term refers mostly to stagnant waters. Sarasvatī is an exact cognate with Avestan Haraxvatī, perhaps original...
by peter
12 Dec 2017 02:10
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Please mind your language. Circa 3000 BC is a dating of Mahabharata that is in tune with sanskrit inscriptions of kings of India, the tradition of Kaliyuga starting with the demise of Krishna, and astronomical observations mentioned in the Mahabharata. I have not mentioned anything about the dating...
by peter
12 Dec 2017 02:03
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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peter: which would point to a common Indo-Iranian myth of a cosmic or mystical Sáras-vat-ī river. The river does not become "cosmic or mystical" just because linguists pretend it was -- all we have for "proof" is this claim based on some random theory cooked up regarding word or...
by peter
10 Dec 2017 21:11
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Which errors? Imagining the history and geography of the Helmand river Sanskrit sáras means ‘pool, pond or lake’; the feminine sarasī́ means ‘stagnant pool, swamp’. Like its cognates Welsh hêl, heledd ‘river meadow’ and Greek ἕλος (hélos) ‘swamp’, the Rigvedic term refers mostly to stagnant waters....
by peter
10 Dec 2017 20:59
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Where are you getting the forest information from? Arjun had to clear a massive forest to build indraprastha and this was in the period when saraswati was breaking up circa 3000 BC that is. I do not understand what is the logic of cotton not being mentioned? "circa 3000 BC" - that is a lu...
by peter
09 Dec 2017 08:41
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shiv wrote:
peter wrote:I have read it. Nilesh's scheme does not match many observations from Mahabharata.

Anyone can say that. You are less credible than Nilesh Oak given your obfuscation and habit of making silly explanations for laughably gross errors that you make.

Which errors?
by peter
09 Dec 2017 08:39
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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peter:Last sentence is your conclusion. I did not say this. And FYI i do know of indians who can't say S and use H. peter: They named the river that they settled around in Iran Sarasvati. Since they couldn't pronounce S they used H and hence Haraxavati. So how do you know the Aryans could not prono...
by peter
09 Dec 2017 08:33
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I will show you populations in interior India who cannot pronounce 'S' and they use 'H' - the nasal 'H'. Now just because of that, do not go claiming that they are descendants of the Aryans. Forget this guy. He has simply cooked up an explanation of why he thinks the name was given. That has nothin...
by peter
09 Dec 2017 08:31
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Come on. This is not even a trick question. Aryans had a break up in India and some of them left and settled in Iran. They named the river that they settled around in Iran Sarasvati. Since they couldn't pronounce S they used H and hence Haraxavati. :rotfl: That is not an answer Explain what your Ir...
by peter
09 Dec 2017 08:27
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Come on. This is not even a trick question. Aryans had a break up in India and some of them left and settled in Iran. They named the river that they settled around in Iran Sarasvati. Since they couldn't pronounce S they used H and hence Haraxavati. I will show you populations in interior India who ...
by peter
09 Dec 2017 08:26
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Thanks. What is the relevance? That even though the ancient Hebrews had a word for "sea" and for "lake" they termed a lake as a sea, even though the real sea was some 30 km away. With the Vedics it is being postulated they apparently had no word for "sea" and they late...
by peter
08 Dec 2017 21:27
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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It seems to me you are cherry picking. If the Dhruva observation is not reconcilable for your epoch (4500 BC there was no Dhruva or pole star. There was one in 3000 BC which was moving and moved till it was no longer a pole star) you don't get to throw out the observation. If you have not read Nile...
by peter
08 Dec 2017 21:25
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Here is another one for you Peter from a beloved respected western source The Baudhayana Dharma Sutra defines Aryavarta as the land east of Vinasana ; west of the Kalaka­vana, ‘ Black Forest,' or rather Kanakhala, near Hardvar; south of the Himalaya; and north of the Pariyatra or the Paripatra Moun...
by peter
08 Dec 2017 21:24
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

The example these "experts" give is from many place of India where a large lake is called samudra see for example andhra pradesh. So this saraswati and sea argument needs more teeth before it can be called a clincher. Just an FYI. The Sea of Galilee (about 167 square kilometers in size). ...

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