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by gandharva
18 May 2018 23:09
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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On Twitter, manastaramgini: Indo-Aryans: If we go by mainstream indological models the RV should have been composed in the Panjab no earlier than ~2000-1900 BCE - stretching things to the limit butm more like ~1700 BCE \pm 100 yrs. There are some serious problems with this which have been overlooke...
by gandharva
11 May 2018 02:54
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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^^ This is big. If true (can't see full article as it's behind a paywall)... it suggests that the very construct of "Steppe_EMBA", which (per Lazaridis 2016) is modeled as a mixture of Anatolian HG and Iranian Neolithic, is bull$hit. Hence Steppe_MLBA (modeled by Vagheesh et al as 74% Ste...
by gandharva
29 Apr 2018 21:12
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Why can't Indians be given the same privilege? "From the first stages of his research, Lindo was in direct contact with cultural ambassadors of the Tsimshian community, who advised his team on how to respectfully present its findings and received co-authorship credit for their input. “ They rev...
by gandharva
19 Apr 2018 06:06
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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What do they mean by lactose intolerance? When they say lactose intolerance is 66.6%, do they mean 66.6% cannot have milk. Surely, there are more than 44% of people in those cities that have been drinking milk. I know one blck guy who is lactose intolerant. If he drinks milk, he starts farting like...
by gandharva
19 Apr 2018 06:04
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Another front AIT walas have opened is Quantitative comparative linguistics ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_comparative_linguistics ). Vagheesh used the word "Computational Linguitics" which I confused with the engineering topic natural language analysis and modelling for man-...
by gandharva
11 Apr 2018 22:54
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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^^^ Shiv Sir, That was FYI purposes only. A pretty recent book on Human Genetics taking linguistics and gene combo mainstream.
by gandharva
11 Apr 2018 20:52
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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All of the abv images discussing language-gene relationship from the book https://www.amazon.com/Human-Evolutiona ... 0815341482 .
by gandharva
11 Apr 2018 20:34
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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" THE FARMING–LANGUAGE CO-DISPERSAL HYPOTHESIS from https://www.amazon.com/Human-Evolutionary-Genetics-Mark-Jobling/dp/0815341482 Some language families have spread widely and rapidly The approximately 6900 languages spoken throughout the world today can be grouped into more than 100 families, ...
by gandharva
11 Apr 2018 11:08
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Looks like they don't have good data on Rakhigarhi samples. I don't know if this means that they are trying (or) they have tried and given up. This is very unfortunate. The earlier set of Rakhigarhi DNA could not be analyzed due to contamination. There was hope by the researchers that the new set w...
by gandharva
10 Apr 2018 19:08
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Arun: that's what I am thinking too. But just because a particular mutation was found in the aDNA sample from the Steppes, doesn't mean its "Steppe DNA". This mutation could have very well evolved elsewhere and traveled to the Steppes. Who's to say that the ancestor the Steppe DNA will no...
by gandharva
08 Apr 2018 00:46
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Archaeological and anthropological studies on the Harappan cemetery of Rakhigarhi, India

"Rakhigarhi cemetery is representative of the Mature Harappan period, date-estimated to 2,500–2,000 BCE"

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... ne.0192299
by gandharva
06 Apr 2018 09:21
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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In fact I recall reading a few months ago (using my 2 Sansk dictionaries) that Upastha is penis . I had forgotten about that - but in any case I would not have "edited" Jatindra Mohan Chaterji's link. That would have been a mistake. The Kaccha-Kaksha is a genuine error. Upastha is crotch ...
by gandharva
05 Apr 2018 09:15
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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One of the references provided by Narsimhan, one of the lead author of the paper. A Bayesian phylogenetic study of the Dravidian language family "The history of these languages is crucial for understanding prehistory in Eurasia, because despite their current restricted range, these languages pl...
by gandharva
05 Apr 2018 02:12
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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:D Here is what I think is a juicy post I have made in response to the Vagheesh paper on their site. Let's see if it gets published - no cussin there. But I post it here too Here are some further thoughts on the findings presented in the paper. I will first quote lines 276 to 282 from the paper: &q...
by gandharva
04 Apr 2018 07:16
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Email from Talegeri: The movement and spread of languages or indeed of any cultural features are totally independent of genetic features: 1. All of us speak and write in English (as we are doing at this very moment). Do we have English DNA transmitted into our bodies from the English people who rule...
by gandharva
03 Apr 2018 08:44
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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What is the paper trying to establish with this "admixture" claim? It seems to be saying that the three (putative) IVC emigres showed a much more ancient admixture between markers from Iranian Agriculturists and AASI than modern-day samples (Palliyar). The implication is that people from ...
by gandharva
11 Aug 2017 05:59
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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STEPS TOWARD A POSITIVIST PHILOLOGY Oldenberg further deepened the comparison between Indology and classical philology in later writings. As he expressed it in a 1909 address to a congress of German philologists, it was not just the “existence of material relationships” between the cultures of Gree...
by gandharva
08 Aug 2017 07:57
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Adluri on Pollock's Critical Philology. "Nineteenth-century German Indology casts a long and problematic shadow over the contemporary study of Indian texts. The German Indologists have yet to respond to Nietzsche’s challenge to philology’s episteme or to Foucault’s exposure of its collusion wit...
by gandharva
06 Aug 2017 23:33
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Let me ask a rhetorical but serious question which I have also posed as a Tweet https://twitter.com/bennedose/status/894067499246829569 Translations are notoriously poor in conveying even metaphors unless the source and target languages have very similar metaphors. There is the joke about machine t...
by gandharva
06 Aug 2017 10:10
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Help - everyone quotes stuff like this: "Yajnavalkya for beef who said: “I for one eat it, provided it is tender (amsala)", but I've never seen a citation for this, from where exactly it comes. Anyone? Thanks in advance! Not trying to push or create a controversy here, just asking help wi...
by gandharva
06 Aug 2017 05:43
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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"It focused on texts not as they functioned within the life of the community, but as reconstituted by the scholar." IMO, a text really takes on meaning from the way it functions in the life of the community . Present meaning of the text as it exists in community is conisdered distotion pe...
by gandharva
06 Aug 2017 01:02
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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STEPS TOWARD A SCIENTIFIC INDOLOGY Te development of a new ideal of science at German universities during the nineteenth century has been well documented.5 Scholars note that around the late eighteenth to early nineteenth centuries, the term Wissenschaft took on grand idealist associations of a sys...
by gandharva
05 Aug 2017 04:45
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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SriJoy, If you can't address critical questions posed to you, how can you expect this debate to go on? We are trying to show you that YOUR current view has its origins in the protestant reformation and german Indology. Please pick up The Nay Science by Vishwa Adluri. It shows how the questions and ...
by gandharva
05 Aug 2017 00:29
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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CHAPT ER 5 - Problems with the Critical Method (From the book The Nay Science: A History of German Indology by Vishwa Adluri & Joydeep Bagchee) https://www.amazon.com/Nay-Science-History-German-Indology/dp/0199931364 The birth of Indology takes place at the crossroads of two great intellectual ...
by gandharva
04 Aug 2017 00:53
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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CHAPT ER 5 - Problems with the Critical Method (From the book The Nay Science: A History of German Indology by Vishwa Adluri & Joydeep Bagchee) https://www.amazon.com/Nay-Science-History-German-Indology/dp/0199931364 The birth of Indology takes place at the crossroads of two great intellectual ...
by gandharva
27 Jun 2017 05:17
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Take, for example, this latest position of Razib Khan.

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I remember Shiv Ji and others reaching abv conclusion 2 years back.
by gandharva
27 Jun 2017 05:08
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Gandharva, Please realize that this website gnxp.nofe.me is not a source of legitimate scholarly writing on the subject. It is the blog of Razib Khan, the Paki whom Tony Joseph liberally cites in his propaganda piece, and who has written excessively for all sorts of racist publications including VD...
by gandharva
27 Jun 2017 04:35
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Indian genetic history: before the storm Though we don’t have relevant ancient DNA from India proper to answer any questions yet, we do have ancient DNA from across much of Europe, Central Asia, and the Near East. What they show is that Indian populations share ancestry from both Neolithic Iranians...
by gandharva
23 Jun 2017 12:39
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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The following article in Business Standard doesn't mention rebuttal to Joesph's articles (which is mention with web link) in Swarajya and myind.net (Nilesh's Oak article). http://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/where-did-indians-ancient-ancestors-come-from-indo-aryan-debate-rages-o...
by gandharva
21 Jun 2017 12:09
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Y-chromosomal sequences of diverse Indian populations and the ancestry of the Andamanese. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28444560 Conclusions The comparative analysis of Y-chromosome sequences of many Indian populations—with different locations, languages and social structure—has demonstrated ...
by gandharva
20 Jun 2017 10:35
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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^^ Does it mean Aryan Invasion happened without Sanskrit? :)
by gandharva
20 Jun 2017 10:33
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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"Origin and spread of human mitochondrial DNA haplogroup U7" "While most haplogroup U subclades are older than 30 thousand years, the comparatively recent coalescence time of the extant variation of haplogroup U7 (~16–19 thousand years ago) suggests that its current distribution is th...
by gandharva
20 Jun 2017 10:29
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Genotype-Phenotype Study of the Middle Gangetic Plain in India Shows Association of rs2470102 with Skin Pigmentation "Our data confirm the association of rs1426654 with skin pigmen- tation among South Asians, consistent with previous studies, and also show association for rs2470102 single nucle...
by gandharva
18 Jun 2017 21:02
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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^^ Have u checkeed the two additional file links given in the original paper link posted by Gupta JI? https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1186%2Fs12862-017-0936-9/MediaObjects/12862_2017_936_MOESM1_ESM.pdf https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1186%2Fs12862-017-0936-9/MediaOb...
by gandharva
17 Jun 2017 10:03
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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MT's bullshit getting published in Chindu.


How genetics is settling the Aryan migration debate

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/scienc ... 090301.ece

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