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by sudarshan
11 Jun 2013 02:07
Forum: BR Nostalgia Archive
Topic: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India
Replies: 40179
Views: 4153318

Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Ah, it's C he's talking? My fault - I assumed it was some kind of literal translation from Hindi to English. Apologies, and please disregard.
by sudarshan
11 Jun 2013 01:58
Forum: BR Nostalgia Archive
Topic: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India
Replies: 40179
Views: 4153318

Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

SaiK saab, maybe more people would understand you if you just wrote in Hindi (assuming you speak it). I've always had a hard time figuring out what you're saying, and even though my Hindi isn't that great, I think I'd still understand better if you switched to Hindi.
by sudarshan
10 Jun 2013 09:17
Forum: BR Nostalgia Archive
Topic: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India
Replies: 40179
Views: 4153318

Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

It's a trick question. If you rushed out to the streets with a machete and blood on your mind, you are a communal rioting freak. If you didn't, then you didn't do anything during the riots, so you have no right to talk.
by sudarshan
10 Jun 2013 08:47
Forum: BR Nostalgia Archive
Topic: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India
Replies: 40179
Views: 4153318

Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Just give up the argument, I guess, and pray to God that none of us are ever held to Shaardula's standards in our professional careers, where a single misstep (Did I say misstep? More like uncompromising accusation of failure when a black-swan event is not tamed instantly) earns eternal condemnation...
by sudarshan
10 Jun 2013 08:23
Forum: BR Nostalgia Archive
Topic: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India
Replies: 40179
Views: 4153318

Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

#8. my only problem with modi is back in '02 he didnot have the dharma or viveka of shielding his subjects from tyranny. he could not give protection to the most vulnerable of his citizens. otherwise from what he says, and has done since, he's like miles ahead of any others. Just curious. What shou...
by sudarshan
09 Jun 2013 21:24
Forum: BR Nostalgia Archive
Topic: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India
Replies: 40179
Views: 4153318

Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

If Modi manages to oust the dynasty from India, that will be a genuine Indian summer, like the Arab springs. It will be a wholly Indian revolution, refreshingly free of all the "color" injected by foreign (notably US) governments.
by sudarshan
08 Jun 2013 21:49
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Indian Economy - News & Discussion 27 May 2012
Replies: 3973
Views: 437374

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion 27 May 2012

Suraj, you're making my point for me. Worrying about self goal scoring and other H&D issues is best left to our western neighbors. We should be more concerned about whether PPP GDP numbers provide an accurate representation of the size of the Indian economy, and indirectly of Indian purchasing ...
by sudarshan
07 Jun 2013 23:52
Forum: BR Nostalgia Archive
Topic: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India
Replies: 40179
Views: 4153318

Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Either way, the choices for CONgress looks stark at this stage. If BJP wins C'grh, MP, Raj & Delhi (iffy) that will mean CONgis are looking at a wall. In that case, Modi better be extra careful. The words "Samson option" come to mind. Dynasty != Congress. If the dynasty figures that i...
by sudarshan
07 Jun 2013 21:29
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Indian Economy - News & Discussion 27 May 2012
Replies: 3973
Views: 437374

Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion 27 May 2012

Another significant fact is that based on the GDP PPP numbers, India is now bigger than UK and France put together. And China is almost as big as UK, France, and Germany put together. Highlights the shift in balance of power like nobody's business.
by sudarshan
07 Jun 2013 06:55
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas
Replies: 4574
Views: 573731

Re: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas

Saik garu, no I can't either but found the below link with english translation. http://sangampoemsinenglish.wordpress.com/book-list/ Thanks SaiK garu, will go through the it. But too bad, can't read Tamil, would have been great in Tamil itself. But may be today's tamil is very from Tamil of yore. M...
by sudarshan
04 Jun 2013 06:13
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas
Replies: 4574
Views: 573731

Re: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas

OK. Sudarshan had very eloquently destroyed the "higher caste" and "lower caste" argument. But would the polemicists listen to reason? They most likely will not. Which is why I say, it's not the polemicists who are the target, it's the fence-sitters, the ones who are in the &quo...
by sudarshan
04 Jun 2013 05:12
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas
Replies: 4574
Views: 573731

Re: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas

Right. But the next question would be: Was it possible for people who were not kshatriyas to become warriors? Did kshatriyas mingle with others to learn/teach war-related issues? In this case, we might want to look at Yadavs because they were not super-elite brahmins or kshatriyas. How did they bec...
by sudarshan
03 Jun 2013 22:15
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas
Replies: 4574
Views: 573731

Re: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas

Sudharshan ji, My friend is not actually trying to verify the veracity of the version of the stories(MB/Ramayana). He is in fact is accusing that Hindu scriptures too actively encouraged putting down/exploitation of "shudras". This is important because such view point of his gives rise to...
by sudarshan
03 Jun 2013 22:13
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas
Replies: 4574
Views: 573731

Re: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas

abhishek ji, Even though he lied, his cursing Karna implicitly is acknowledging that he was cursed because Karna hid the fact that he was suta. If being suta was no problem at all, Karna would have lied? that is argument from Davidian club. Are the facts straight here? I thought Parasurama was furi...
by sudarshan
03 Jun 2013 21:20
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas
Replies: 4574
Views: 573731

Re: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas

I too was troubled by 1 & 2. But there are some things which need to be considered, it's not black-and-white. As for Karna, when was he "cursed for being a suta?" When he came to the forum to show off his skills, he was politely told by Drona and Kripa that only Kshatriyas were qualifi...
by sudarshan
30 May 2013 07:23
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas
Replies: 4574
Views: 573731

Re: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas

My gf needs an indian myth for acting class. Does anyone know of any which are witty and have deep meaning? If she needs a feminine role, maybe Savitri would do the trick. The legend of Satyavan/Savitri is usually interpreted as showing the wife's devotion to her husband. This probably wouldn't gel...
by sudarshan
30 May 2013 00:25
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas
Replies: 4574
Views: 573731

Re: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas

Johneeg(ji), surprised that you don't believe that the divya astras were atomic devices. Personally, I'm ambivalent on that topic, though inclined to believe it. The descriptions of the effects of those astras in the MB are uncannily similar to the descriptions of the effects of nuclear weapons. Plu...
by sudarshan
15 May 2013 23:39
Forum: BR Nostalgia Archive
Topic: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India
Replies: 40179
Views: 4153318

Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

So is there a total media blackout on what's going on inside the BJP, or is there really nothing going on as of now?
by sudarshan
15 May 2013 06:06
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas
Replies: 4574
Views: 573731

Re: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas

Sudarshan Saar, Vyasaya Vishnuroopaya, is not part of the the Vishnu Sahasranama. The sahasranama(1000 names) start from 'Vishvam Vishnu Vashatkaro...' Yes, it's part of the preamble, but still.... Coming to the query: Kurma avatara is mentioned in Stanza 19: mahaabuddhir-mahaa- veeryo mahaa-saktir...
by sudarshan
04 May 2013 08:40
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas
Replies: 4574
Views: 573731

Re: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas

sudarshan et al, RamaY and JohneeG, I am tired and wary of reading any Western scholar writing about Hindu gods and epics for they are contaminated with Freudian, Jungian and Marxist prisms. Thanks to both of you for the pravachanam.org site links to pick and chose. I hope there are similar links f...
by sudarshan
03 May 2013 08:07
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas
Replies: 4574
Views: 573731

Re: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas

^^^ posts on this thread never cease to fire up my imagination. I think I know what you are thinking sudarshan garu. Then you should let me know sometime, for my own edification :). Seriously, I was just wondering if the wartime doctrines/terminologies were in a state of evolution between Ramayana ...
by sudarshan
02 May 2013 21:54
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas
Replies: 4574
Views: 573731

Re: Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas

Two kwik kweschuns - apologize if they're elementary level. I'm rather familiar with MB, not so much with Ramayan. In the MB, terms like "Rathi," "Athirathi," "Maharathi" keep occurring. Yudhishthir was a Rathi, Bhim & Arjun, Krishna and Satyaki, Ashwatthama etc. we...
by sudarshan
08 Apr 2013 23:20
Forum: BR Nostalgia Archive
Topic: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India
Replies: 40179
Views: 4153318

Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

So - desi waiter in US Indian restaurant watching NaMo on TV. Could happen in "normal" times, I suppose, with any other "normal" neta, but one still gets the sense of witnessing a phenomenon. Just a nitpic... Aswathama unleashed "Brahmasironamakastra", not Narayanastra ...
by sudarshan
08 Apr 2013 19:15
Forum: BR Nostalgia Archive
Topic: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India
Replies: 40179
Views: 4153318

Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

So the #feku campaign backfired? Delicious irony, and just reinforces my view that Modi so far has been like the Narayanastra released by Ashwatthama. The more you oppose the Narayanastra, the more strength it will gain. Resistance is not an option. The only way to survive the wave is to surrender t...
by sudarshan
23 Feb 2013 21:43
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition
Replies: 2738
Views: 378832

Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Sudarshan ji, But "trivializing for assimilation" is nothing but the process of "digestion" (at least, as Malhotra uses that term), at a mass level. Just as enzymes destructively catalyze the breakdown of food into its more rudimentary biochemical components...Yoga is trivialize...
by sudarshan
22 Feb 2013 09:57
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition
Replies: 2738
Views: 378832

Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Ravi_g saar, Not sure I understood everything in your post. It seems you're saying that the west came to digestion of Buddhist thoughts first, and is now trying to digest Hindu thought using its previous digestion of Buddhist thought? This previous digestion of Buddhist thought being the acceptance ...
by sudarshan
22 Feb 2013 00:49
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition
Replies: 2738
Views: 378832

Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

OTOH development of Axioms as sudarshan ji tried is a very important for finding common ground within dharmic traditions, but then these are not tied up to our distinctive identity, distinct from the marbles of abrahamics. Like say for example if a Hindu mentions Axiom 2 (Desires) & 3 (Karm pha...
by sudarshan
20 Feb 2013 21:39
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition
Replies: 2738
Views: 378832

Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

In Sage Brihadraranyaka's own words: Verily, that which is Dharma is truth. Therefore they say of a man who speaks truth, "He speaks the Dharma," or of a man who speaks the Dharma, "He speaks the Truth." Verily, both these things are the same. —(Brh. Upanishad, 1.4.14) (2) Satya...
by sudarshan
20 Feb 2013 04:00
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition
Replies: 2738
Views: 378832

Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

The "version you stated," Harbans ji? Are you sure that this "version" is the absolute, unadulterated truth? Or is it just the village folks' way of reconciling a sticky point in the story for themselves? Don't you want to absolutely verify the truth of this version before you p...
by sudarshan
20 Feb 2013 03:30
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition
Replies: 2738
Views: 378832

Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Carl ji, i already have mentioned 3 times here that the exception to the rule is NOT the rule. I have also heard the version i stated from many village folks in the region. The eagerness to embrace the exception to the rule to suit agenda and fit one's temporal POV shows. In that your quest will on...
by sudarshan
19 Feb 2013 21:16
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition
Replies: 2738
Views: 378832

Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Pranav ji, Truth as a principle cannot be given the short stick. The rule is that. Exceptions to the rule don't become the Rule and must never be made so. Always the danger lies in making the exception to the rule the rule itself. So if an entity to come into power is using untruth and deceit it wi...
by sudarshan
19 Feb 2013 06:12
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition
Replies: 2738
Views: 378832

Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

X-Post OT sudarshan ji, I have cross-posted your posts there. You are of course welcome to contribute. I also re-read your posts and there is some very strong logic in them. Thank you, saar :). But like I keep saying, this is simply my understanding of the logic of SD itself. If the logic is correct...
by sudarshan
07 Dec 2012 22:04
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: North East & Eastern Himalayan: News & Discussion
Replies: 1140
Views: 280659

Re: North East & Eastern Himalayan: News & Discussion

There are more than two members here who have interpreted my argument as if i'm advocating a breakup of the country but that is not true. All i'm saying is that we have to recognize some elements for the sake of maintaining the confederation. Here I'm explicitly saying that north and south indians ...
by sudarshan
07 Dec 2012 02:17
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: North East & Eastern Himalayan: News & Discussion
Replies: 1140
Views: 280659

Re: North East & Eastern Himalayan: News & Discussion

The reality of NE is that it is more divided than indias north and south of the 60s There is almost nothing indic about the NE other than some minor cultural practices. Very interesting observations (though I don't buy them at all). But if you really believe this, then I'm curious as to what your p...
by sudarshan
30 Oct 2012 01:24
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011
Replies: 2935
Views: 342711

Re: Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011

My point exactly, Rajesh saar. Currently it seems UK's detergent is stored mostly in Scottish islets and such. But if the UK gave up its weapons, we also have to worry about UK nukes making it into terrorist hands, due to rogue scientists and their misguided sympathies. They could use Indian assista...
by sudarshan
29 Oct 2012 21:43
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011
Replies: 2935
Views: 342711

Re: Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011

Here's one more reason for free Alba. I actually posted this in this same thread in June.

Implications of free Alba on UK new-clear detergent.

Apparently, much/most of the UK new clear detergent is in Scotland, and there are no convenient places in the rest of the UK to move this to.
by sudarshan
21 Oct 2012 08:14
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: India-Australia News and Discussion
Replies: 2288
Views: 511240

Re: India-Australia News and Discussion

Why should we pay respect to these idiots? We are paying them aren't we?? you should stop being such a slave ... it is indeed nice to be arrogant, this is the language these people understand and fear Thanks for the gratuitous advice on "stop being such a slave." Here's my gratuitous advi...
by sudarshan
20 Oct 2012 10:16
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: India-Australia News and Discussion
Replies: 2288
Views: 511240

Re: India-Australia News and Discussion

Rony wrote:That picture is simply :rotfl:
You mean MMS furtively (or not) looking at his watch while the Gillard woman drones on? Let's hope it's truly indicative of the level of respect India shows in her dealings with Aus.
by sudarshan
03 Oct 2012 19:31
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011
Replies: 2935
Views: 342711

Re: Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011

sum wrote:^^ Briturds really deserve every bamboo they get. Imagine the hungama if the hair of any other Amriki/W.European big wig had been touched by some rebel from their home land.
No need to imagine. Didn't we see it with Assange? The guy merely let out a few secrets, that's all.