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by sudarshan
15 Jun 2019 20:11
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
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Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Also, with these axioms, the aim right now is to show that: a) these axioms are the guiding principle behind all our Dharmic faiths or, failing that, b) these axioms define the practices of our Dharmic faiths, and are the underlying basis for the scriptural records like the epics, Puranas, Upanishad...
by sudarshan
15 Jun 2019 19:52
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Some random comments: 1. .... Ok, fine. 2. Per point # 3- I do have an issue with it (and had alluded to it previously). I really think no human has a choice about re-birth. If one cannot recall a previous life, does it even exist? This approaches the realm of faith i.e. unquestioning acceptance. I...
by sudarshan
15 Jun 2019 06:27
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

The problem is with the dictionary meaning of the words and the meaning that can/may be derived based on the context of situation when the word is used. Here there is no point in arguing what choice of word(s) you chose to use, but need to be able to express the intent or meaning of context efficie...
by sudarshan
14 Jun 2019 07:53
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Got the 'disinterested' part right from when you first used that word, however I still tend not to believe it fully. There are many stories in puranas about gods granting boons to humans after penance etc e.g. Bhasmasura (humans to ashes), Arjuna (pashupata weapon etc). Perhaps they are exceptions....
by sudarshan
14 Jun 2019 07:37
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Found it - https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/388425/rob-bank I think there might be some confusion between "disinterested" and "uninterested" also. In a tournament game, cricket or badminton, you want the umpire to be disinterested (i.e., unbiased and without any stake in the game...
by sudarshan
13 Jun 2019 09:45
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Your second question: It depends on how long it takes for the actions to produce reactions. The Dharmic tradition holds that actions could fructify in subsequent lives also, and I don't see a reason to disbelieve that. The principle of Karma is clear enough, but its workings are a mystery to us. Hen...
by sudarshan
13 Jun 2019 09:20
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

SriKumar ji, I don't know if you've read Calvin and Hobbes. If not, it's about a boy (Calvin) who has a toy tiger (Hobbes), but he pretends the tiger is real, and actually playing with him and often fighting with him. Basically a boy's make-believe pet. There was an interesting episode (I might not ...
by sudarshan
13 Jun 2019 08:38
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Bottomline: It is the "disinterested in the material" nature of the Dharmic notion of God, which makes it possible for Dharmic faiths to dispense with the very notion of God - an Abrahamic faith cannot do this (whereas, at least two Dharmic faiths have actually done this). Corollary: If a ...
by sudarshan
13 Jun 2019 07:04
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Rationale behind the "disinterested" description for God: [1] - (this number is inserted here for later referring to this post) ⋅ When the question comes up as to "what is the purpose of life according to your belief?" ⋅  With the Abrahamic faiths, it immediat...
by sudarshan
12 Jun 2019 08:27
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Sudharshan ji, what about below few inputs to frame first axiom in a more altruistic way. Sorry if I disturb your flow of thought... 1) There is seemingly an all-powerful, all-pervading, all-knowing Almighty God who is the root cause of all the known and UN-known phenomenon and responsible for all ...
by sudarshan
12 Jun 2019 06:18
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

IMO, there is no need to put words related "(S)He is disinterested" in first axiom... Please give your reasoning. Would like to know more about your intent to put these words in it... Greatly appreciate your efforts Sudarshan ji... Thank you saar, appreciate your interest and encouragemen...
by sudarshan
12 Jun 2019 06:14
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Will get to answering specific points raised by posters (mostly DharmaB :mrgreen: ) soon, when I read and digest the points. But for now: I was approaching this from a STEM perspective. When you write a book, fiction or non-fiction, the first thing to do is to identify your target audience, and focu...
by sudarshan
11 Jun 2019 17:39
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Thanks for talking turkey! :P You thought I was going to beat around the bush with generalities forever? :) With Axiom #1 - you have to define this God (with big G) a very deep rabbit hole mind you.... Yes it's a deep rabbit hole. This being an axiom or starting point, it should not be necessary to...
by sudarshan
11 Jun 2019 08:28
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

sudarshan mian... 3 questions and 1 comment: Aren't you the one who was trying to get the admins to ban you from BRF so you wouldn't be tempted to browse for a few days? :-? 1. About your axiom 1, if God is disinterested in material world or the outcomes that occur in it, what is the need to have a...
by sudarshan
11 Jun 2019 03:49
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Thanks Tandav ji. One of the statements above is identical to the first axiom that I posted. The rest can be derived from the three axioms (in fact, I was going to derive some of those statements when building the theory from the axioms I posted). ...though it often devolves to a slavish obsession w...
by sudarshan
11 Jun 2019 01:46
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

The axioms I had in mind were these: 1. God is all-powerful, but disinterested* in materializing any of His (Her - doesn't really matter) potential ⋅ This is the same as the "Omkar" principle that Gupta ji mentioned above 2. We**, on the other hand, desire to materialize our abst...
by sudarshan
11 Jun 2019 00:55
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

⋅ Science allows axioms to be revised as needed ⋅ Most religions do not allow any revision of their axioms - the original axiom is "the truth" and needs to be upheld at any cost ⋅ Ideally, we would like to align SD with science, i.e., allow the axioms to be f...
by sudarshan
10 Jun 2019 00:00
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Replies: 187
Views: 23619

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

In 2014, once Modi came to power., people were laughing at his development model and focus on the basics. The extreme Hindu nationalists were whining that Modi is not doing enough for Hindu causes. Several pages on this forum are testament to those whines. But Modi proved that his development model...
by sudarshan
09 Jun 2019 22:10
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Replies: 187
Views: 23619

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Fair enough Dubey ji. Interesting that the satta markets were stuck at around 240 for BJP (or was that for NDA)? With the theory being that people are waging their money on that, so it would be based on sound inputs. I guess there is a cautious streak even in betters, and they too missed the wave se...
by sudarshan
09 Jun 2019 21:03
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Muslims all agree on the basics of their faith - ask 1000 Muslims of any denomination, and they will all give the same answer about their fundamental belief Ditto with Christians In fact, given that these fundamentals of these religions have stayed the same over hundreds of years, and that they hav...
by sudarshan
09 Jun 2019 08:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Replies: 187
Views: 23619

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

I was very put off by his "calling the election for BJP" after Phase IV, and was praying for the Dilbu anti-jinx to work to neutralize that. To Patil ji's credit, he made a prediction, and stayed with it till the end. One day before counting, he tweeted (in Morse Code) that "BJP will ...
by sudarshan
09 Jun 2019 07:00
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

⋅ Theories start with axioms ⋅ The base of the theory is its axiom set ⋅ Modifications to the theory are possible, without modifying the axiom set ⋅ However, the really fundamental changes in science come from modifying the axiom set itself ⋅ For ex...
by sudarshan
09 Jun 2019 06:50
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Ground rules of deductive logic (there could be a little bit of repetition here, with what has been posted earlier): ⋅ An axiom is only a convenient starting point ⋅ Questioning the axiom is meaningless - as in - "why should we believe that all matter is made of atoms?"...
by sudarshan
09 Jun 2019 04:12
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Why should they? You go to the Tulu regions in Karnataka or the Kerala or Maharashtra coasts, there are būtas like Panjurli that mainstream city dwelling Hindus may know nothing about, why confirm to one set of axioms? What is your poorva paksha on the use of Vidhis and Nishedhas - the mechanism cl...
by sudarshan
09 Jun 2019 03:44
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

What to do saar :). I've had several close relatives go the EJ way, and then come and try to convert yours truly and family. The things they said about SD were truly ridiculous, showing a lack of understanding of even the basics of SD. I fended them off by showing them the mirror about their side (n...
by sudarshan
09 Jun 2019 03:03
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Why should one? I am not being argumentative, merely asking so what, why does this matter? Short answer: Because we can! I am not being sarcastic or flippant here. I believe we indeed can present a clear, precise answer to external probing. More: I also believe that all the Dharmic faiths can be co...
by sudarshan
09 Jun 2019 02:49
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Indian mathematics didn't go the axiomatic way. Not sure Hindus can do so for what is a wider subject area. Maybe Hindus can agree on a few thousand rules like those that Panini provided :D It provides a coherent grammar, a full language, but not some "fundamental set of axioms". Nope, I'...
by sudarshan
09 Jun 2019 02:41
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Inductive logic vs deductive logic ⋅  Inductive logic ⋅ Example: Three princes of Serendip ("Swarnadwipa" used to refer to Sri Lanka, and the Western world shortened this to "Serendip") ⋅ The word "Serendipity" is derived from this fable &s...
by sudarshan
09 Jun 2019 01:57
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

⋅ Muslims all agree on the basics of their faith - ask 1000 Muslims of any denomination, and they will all give the same answer about their fundamental belief ⋅ Ditto with Christians ⋅ In fact, given that these fundamentals of these religions have stayed the same over ...
by sudarshan
09 Jun 2019 00:36
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

The previous time I started this discussion on this forum (>10 years ago), I wrote up my material in the form of multiple posts with many paragraphs in each. Like essay writing. Later I was told that it was a very off-putting format, very dense and difficult to read. So this time I'm going to try a ...
by sudarshan
09 Jun 2019 00:33
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Me too want to know about them sudarshan ji. I recommend admins open a new thread if they think it is a value add to the nation building in a different way... It is becoming common experience that our culture is being attacked for its practices by leftist, atheists, and abrahamic people. We only ha...
by sudarshan
09 Jun 2019 00:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 258
Views: 12546

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Continuing a discussion that started in the 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1 thread. My idea was as follows. It is impossible to reduce the fundamental truth (which is the goal of Sanatana Dharma) to logical axioms, since that fundamental truth is defined as being beyond logic itself, beyond ...
by sudarshan
08 Jun 2019 06:15
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Replies: 187
Views: 23619

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

chaitanya wrote:...


DharmaB wrote:...


Sir ji's, will gather my thoughts on this and respond in the "Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society" thread within a day or two.
by sudarshan
07 Jun 2019 19:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Replies: 187
Views: 23619

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Sachin wrote:Amit Shah hospitalised due to H1N1 fever?


Back in January, yes. Did he come down with it again?
by sudarshan
06 Jun 2019 07:41
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Replies: 187
Views: 23619

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

I just had a tubelight moment regarding exactly WHY it is vitally important to challenge the notion of "HinduISM" as a "RELIGION"... the category in which Indian Secularists have constrained and cast it since at least 1950. 1. The traditional values and ethical precepts of Dharm...
by sudarshan
05 Jun 2019 06:52
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Replies: 187
Views: 23619

Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

I think the no-nonsense approach of Singapore may be useful to examine again. Can it scale to 1.3 billion people? Unknown. It doesn't have to scale up to 1.3 billion people. It just has to scale up one state at a time. That is exactly what is happening in UP. It was happening to some extent in MP a...
by sudarshan
04 Jun 2019 01:58
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion
Replies: 2982
Views: 92903

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

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by sudarshan
02 Jun 2019 06:46
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion
Replies: 2982
Views: 92903

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

I am always amazed when people talk about Akhanda Bharat and taking over Pak and BD. Sure, if we could get the land it would be great. But the land comes with some 400M viruses. We don't want to infect the current India with that virus unless we can find a way to dump it all into the Arabian Sea. W...

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