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by sudarshan
04 Jan 2019 19:53
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala
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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Meenakshi Lekhi defends Sabarimala traditions in parliament.

Subscription site, and I don't want to undercut this site's finances by posting the article here. Swarajyamag is doing good work, and deserves to be supported.

Hope this is the prelude to some action.
by sudarshan
26 Dec 2018 20:05
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

Sudharsanl ignorance alert: Will Silapadhigaram, Manimegalai, civaka cintamani provide any Indian viewpoint? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manimekalai Beyond the parts of them that appeared in தமிழ் poetry in text books in School, haven't pursued them Also Tamizh Shaiva and Sri Vaishnava texts ma...
by sudarshan
26 Dec 2018 00:27
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

The relations between the Hindus and the Indian Buddhists were not always cordial. Its quite possible what you say may be true. But, in the end, the guy was just an uncultured cheeni who did not know enough to be thankful or even merely diplomatic instead of using such uncouth language to berate hi...
by sudarshan
25 Dec 2018 21:34
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

If he "sang for his supper," that means he was saying the things that the Indian Buddhists wanted him to say. Which means the bigotry was from India. But that point could be moot because it seems Hsuan Tsang wrote (or dictated) his memoirs at the request of the Chinese emperor, once he was...
by sudarshan
25 Dec 2018 19:38
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

JEM saar, this is what I wrote in the previous page of this thread: Now here's what I say - let's consider some possibilities: 1. Fa Hian and Hsuan Tsang were unbiased, but the translator was not. GOOD! This means that even this biased translator was unable to find anything in Fa Hian's or Hsuan Tsa...
by sudarshan
25 Dec 2018 05:29
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

We are talking about a Chinese interpretation of social milieu in India, written in Chinese, and then re-interpreted by a colonial interpreter carrying his own theological/civilizational baggage - and with no other frame of reference on which to draw upon. I'm not sure why we are taking these peopl...
by sudarshan
25 Dec 2018 01:40
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

These quotes on the wods "True Path", "Heretic" & "False" - are they yours or Fa Hien's? The words in backets (Buddhism & Hinduism) are they yours or Fa Hien's? You might get a sense of a distinct difference, because there is a difference between what the Buddh...
by sudarshan
24 Dec 2018 20:33
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

There's a problem with this approach, particularly in English, because the words "Hindu" and "Buddhist" are both primarily used in the English language (as well as other European languages over the last 3-4 centuries). In the time that we are referring to, presumably from 600 BC...
by sudarshan
24 Dec 2018 20:02
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

' http://sanchitakarma.blogspot.com/2013/11/majma-ul-bahrain-new-thought-to.html Sorry I didn't realize that references were not in the article that I posted above. I have posted the article again with the references to be honest I actually had to check them myself. Wrote that many moons ago. From ...
by sudarshan
24 Dec 2018 19:50
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

Here's one- in Bhavabhuti's play "Malati and Madhava" a Buddhist nun Kamandaki, living in a Buddhist convent, acts as a go between to bring the two main characters( both Hindu) together. A Hindu dramatist saw nothing unusual in portraying a Buddhist in a positive way. It speaks of peacefu...
by sudarshan
24 Dec 2018 00:19
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

I got several comments along the lines of "why should we examine relations between Hindus and Buddhists based on the words of foreigners, rather than looking at Indian accounts themselves?" Well, go for it, guys. This foreigner's account is all I know right now, and I've been waiting for o...
by sudarshan
24 Dec 2018 00:15
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

Sudarshan, not to divert from the thread, but I had earlier written a article on this regarding Dara Shikoh and what he wrote called the Majma Ul Bahrain ; ie mingling of two oceans. Copies I believe are available online, for which you can readily delve into his mind of what he was thinking and wha...
by sudarshan
15 Dec 2018 19:52
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

It will be instructive, to begin with, to record precisely when the terms "Hinduism" & "Buddhism" came into the English/French/German languages. Just before the Europeans arrived, I don't think the non-Muslim Indians called themselves "Hindus" and "Buddhists&q...
by sudarshan
12 Dec 2018 20:12
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

Indians who where taken out of India as laborers or workers had caste. be it tamils in Malaysis or Burma. one thing missing was discrimination. marriage used to happen between caste but based on caste of father kids get caste assigned. dalit caste is mostly missing in overseas Indian taken by briti...
by sudarshan
12 Dec 2018 18:30
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

Couple of points: * If the European translator had a lot of anti-India bias, one would expect to find liberal references to caste-discrimination and persecution in the text. I do not see that (this is not offered as proof of anything, only as a negative indicator). * In many instances, the translato...
by sudarshan
12 Dec 2018 18:00
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

* Hsuan Tsang's book: he repeatedly refers to Hindus as "heretics" and "unbelievers" and pities their way of life Sudarshan'ji 1. Do you know chinese and particularly classical chinese? Have you translated Huen Tsang's translations from Budha sutras to Chinese to English? 2. Hav...
by sudarshan
12 Dec 2018 06:02
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

What was the relative proportion of Hindus and Buddhists in the areas they visited? My enquiries suggest that Buddhism was destroyed by the invading Huno-Turks and finished by the Islamic invasions in the north-west. In mainland India most got absorbed into the Hindu fold but conversion to Islam ca...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 07:47
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

* Hsuan Tsang's book: he repeatedly refers to Hindus as "heretics" and "unbelievers" and pities their way of life * He talks about how the Buddha converted the Devas themselves, and how the Devas became subservient to him and accepted his superiority * He has many, many stories ...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 07:42
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

Disha-ji, my post on that Tamil teacher stuff was incidental to the main point, and only made in response to Sridhar's post above. It is not of much importance. Please see my bulleted list (reproduced again in the post below), which is more to the point. Do you have any thoughts on that? Specificall...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 07:35
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

^I do not know what stories your Tamizh teacher said in school regarding Buddhism/Jainism. To state that there was 'conversion' between buddhists and hindus and jains and each treated other badly is basically buying into the western concept of religion and evangelism hook, line and *stinker*. In ef...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 07:35
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

The stories I heard from my Tamil teacher in school regarding Buddhism/ Jainism in TN are diametrically opposite to what you will find in Wikipedia or other sources online today. Let's leave it at that for now, if it gets to the point of starting a new thread on this topic, I will post more there a...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 07:35
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

Had typed a long post that got lost while posting. There are similar stuff in Tamil epics and poetry which talks about how Tamizh country got converted to Buddhism and Jainism in the manner mentioned in Sudharsans post primarily though coopting the king, black magic practices against Shaiva Saints ...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 07:34
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

>>And I'm saying, that reading those travel records by those Chinese men, it does seem like Buddhism had become that absolutist faith system back in 400 AD. I have only read bits and pieces, arbitrarily, of the Chinese visitors - and it was quite a while ago, so I do not recall. But is this true of...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 07:34
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

However, it is a worthy topic for another thread if anyone has the stamina to start, manage and guide it. It will be instructive, to begin with, to record precisely when the terms "Hinduism" & "Buddhism" came into the English/French/German languages. Just before the European...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 07:34
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

>> I'm beginning to be firmly convinced of the viewpoint (don't remember who put forth this view) that Christianity is simply Buddhism repackaged around Christ. This point of view is not new, and there are plenty of theories as to how this could have come about - there are quite a number of books b...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 07:34
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

People, please stick to the topic of the thread. The divergence into a discussion on Hinduism vs Buddhism, while it can be useful in terms of understanding how Buddhism was basically debated and ritualled out of dominance, does not address the thread topic except for observational purposes. However...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 07:33
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

me thinks lot of bs in the post above. Buddha never coined or invented new religion. Nor do its followers claim it so. Infact Buddhism is nothing but refined form of Hinduism. something like if orange is Hinduism then orange juice is Buddhism removing the skin fiber etc etc. (as an example only). A...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 07:33
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

Buddhism is great in theory. On the practical side, it falls down however. Passiveness and non-violence in the face of violence does not work. When India became Buddhist under Emperor Ashoka, India's military shield was set aside and the end result was massive foreign invasions and looters to the s...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 07:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

Reading Fa Hian/Hsuan Tsang currently. It seems that practically *everything* which the EJs are currently trying in India, has been tried in the past, 2000 years ago, with massive success, by the Buddhists. Denigrating and ridiculing the "heretic" Hindus, going after them for conversion, ...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 07:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

Nicholas Dirks mentions that british writings till late 18th century virtually made no mention of caste in India. He has written a book called "castes of mind". Available in Amazon Colin mackenzie a British historian says that many Indian sources prior to 18th century had no mention of ca...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 07:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

Wrt caste Caste never a word in any Indian languages including Sanskrit for centuries It is a portuguese word. Caste common in europe for centuries. It was based on birth right. A noble remains noble, a poor remains poor irrespective of wealth in europe. Europeans came to India. They being christia...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 07:31
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

... depends heavily on the existence and perpetuation of caste, as well as the regular highlighting of it and constant reiteration of it through divisive approaches, in order to maintain their relevance ... Regarding caste, which was the original intent of my post, and which is still on topic here....
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 07:31
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

Reading Fa Hian/Hsuan Tsang currently. It seems that practically *everything* which the EJs are currently trying in India, has been tried in the past, 2000 years ago, with massive success, by the Buddhists. Denigrating and ridiculing the "heretic" Hindus, going after them for conversion, ...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 07:21
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

Positives from Hsuan Tsang's writings: * He has written detailed and extensive records of many kingdoms of India, noted the perimeter of each kingdom, the perimeter of its capital, the general state of affairs, the number of Sangharamas (Buddhist schools) and Devalayas, the relative number of Buddhi...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 06:56
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Re: Hindu-Buddhist Relations

Now, the idea was to explore the period between about AD 0 to AD 800 in India, to see what kind of relations existed between Hindus and Buddhists (and maybe Jains). Were the Buddhists of the era into proselytization? Was Buddhism considered a religion by itself? And so on. My observations from readi...
by sudarshan
11 Dec 2018 06:34
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Hindu-Buddhist Relations
Replies: 62
Views: 3348

Hindu-Buddhist Relations

There used to be a thread of this name earlier. I can't find it now, so restarting it. I'm currently reading the memoirs of Chinese travelers in India (Fa Hian, Hsuan Tsang, not yet got to Yi Zing). I expected, when reading these memoirs, to find that relations between Hindus and Buddhists were amic...
by sudarshan
10 Dec 2018 18:36
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact
Replies: 727
Views: 45136

Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

JEM saar, I'm still in reading mode and not sure I can put all my material into a new thread at this point. However, this thread is getting cluttered up. Would it be okay to move the current discussion (limited as it is in scope) to this other thread: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian...
by sudarshan
10 Dec 2018 00:20
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact
Replies: 727
Views: 45136

Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

The stories I heard from my Tamil teacher in school regarding Buddhism/ Jainism in TN are diametrically opposite to what you will find in Wikipedia or other sources online today. Let's leave it at that for now, if it gets to the point of starting a new thread on this topic, I will post more there ab...
by sudarshan
09 Dec 2018 18:34
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact
Replies: 727
Views: 45136

Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

However, it is a worthy topic for another thread if anyone has the stamina to start, manage and guide it. It will be instructive, to begin with, to record precisely when the terms "Hinduism" & "Buddhism" came into the English/French/German languages. Just before the European...
by sudarshan
09 Dec 2018 13:01
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact
Replies: 727
Views: 45136

Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Reading Fa Hian/Hsuan Tsang currently. It seems that practically *everything* which the EJs are currently trying in India, has been tried in the past, 2000 years ago, with massive success, by the Buddhists.... me thinks lot of bs in the post above. Buddha never coined or invented new religion. Nor ...

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