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- 04 May 2010 23:37
- Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
- Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
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Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
So now the topic has changed from suitability of the Arjun for Indian army to suitability of the M1A1 for the Pakistani Army, with a nudge-nudge-wink-wink that the inability to acquire the M1A1 for PA should somehow be a factor in the eventual decision of Arjun being acquired for the Indian Army. Al...
- 16 Apr 2010 11:51
- Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
- Topic: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector
- Replies: 4208
- Views: 1130802
Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector
It appears all the projects by DRDO are basically a catch-up to the rest of the world. Is DRDO simultaneously working on frontier projects? usa developed air-borne laser to shoot out missiles at various stages. Are we gonna wait couple of decades before we start work on this? When can we stop playi...
- 15 Apr 2010 23:06
- Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
- Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
- Replies: 3520
- Views: 842591
Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
Thanks SudeepJ. Looks like heck of gun. Raw power wise, this gun can compete with the best of the lot.. Theres only abt. 15% difference in KE between a projectile at 1650m/s or at 1750m/s. The other part is the accuracy and robustness of the FCS, which is top notch for Arjun from many accounts, com...
- 15 Apr 2010 22:43
- Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
- Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
- Replies: 3520
- Views: 842591
Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
http://www.drdo.org/pub/techfocus/feb02/arjun.htmAustin wrote:Does any one know at what velocity does T-90 main gun ( 125mm ) fires the APFSDS round ?
I remember reading some DRDO news letter giving a figure of ~ 1600 m/s for Arjun 120mm main gun.
1650 m/s in 2002.
- 11 Apr 2010 02:12
- Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
- Topic: Internal Security Watch
- Replies: 9599
- Views: 1237250
Re: Internal Security Watch
Lajpat Nagar Blast: 6 convicted Fourteen years after a blast rocked Lajpat Nagar market in New Delhi killing 13 people , {What a shameful length of proceedings and it is not over yet ! The convicted will go for appeal after appeal. Anybody convicted for life have a possibility of being released in ...
- 06 Apr 2010 23:47
- Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
- Topic: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion
- Replies: 2905
- Views: 847383
Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discussion
I dont understand. What do you mean they cant steal a chopper? I mean, its true... but so what? Are you suggesting ground ops should be stopped? I dont think thats a good idea, for very many reasons. Anyway, what if they start using AA weapons? Then theres a whole new, and terrible dimension to thi...
- 06 Apr 2010 23:32
- Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
- Topic: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion
- Replies: 2905
- Views: 847383
Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discussion
1.The points as to lack of mastery of ops in CIJW sit. are accurate. CRPF probably has an internal tactics and training wing, which should take note of the MO being used, and develop effective counters to it. Without this planning and analysis support, the CPO personnel inserted in this environment...
- 06 Apr 2010 23:09
- Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
- Topic: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion
- Replies: 2905
- Views: 847383
Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discussion
After this massacre, those who insist on no air-power, no heavy weaponry in the GoI will have to reevaluate their options. Use of such area weapons is definitely impractical against an insurgency that operates on a doctrine of area denial, ala the Kashmiri Jihadis. There is no other option than use ...
- 04 Apr 2010 07:32
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: J & K news and discussion
- Replies: 3983
- Views: 732821
Re: J & K news and discussion
Its definitely a major success that these terrorists were hunted down relentlessly, but we lost a lot more men than we should have.. :-( Not sure what we can do as ordinary citizens.. Indeed, and the net result is TSP RAPE wins. Why? Because they guys dying on their side are yahoos willing wanting ...
- 04 Apr 2010 04:05
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: Indian Army: News & Discussion
- Replies: 3966
- Views: 1245167
Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion
Rohit, I have no wish to engage in a pissing contest with you, neither do I claim to be any kind of expert like you :-) My simple observation was, IA needs a smarter mortar system, with GPS or otherwise guided smart projectiles. Why? - They have tried to acquire smarter munitions, like Krasnopol, it...
- 04 Apr 2010 00:15
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: Indian Army: News & Discussion
- Replies: 3966
- Views: 1245167
Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion
I dont blame them.. Whats available in the international market is this http://www.patriahagglunds.fi/amos.html And whats available in the domestic market is this http://www.drdo.org/labs/cvrde/achieve.html (scroll down) Theyll probably buy the turret, smart round technology and mount it on BMP2, s...
- 03 Apr 2010 23:35
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: Indian Army: News & Discussion
- Replies: 3966
- Views: 1245167
Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion
Indian Army Scouts For New 120mm Mortar System I dont blame them.. Whats available in the international market is this http://www.patriahagglunds.fi/amos.html And whats available in the domestic market is this http://www.drdo.org/labs/cvrde/achieve.html (scroll down) Theyll probably buy the turret,...
- 03 Apr 2010 13:15
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: J & K news and discussion
- Replies: 3983
- Views: 732821
Re: J & K news and discussion
Its definitely a major success that these terrorists were hunted down relentlessly, but we lost a lot more men than we should have.. :-(
Not sure what we can do as ordinary citizens..
Not sure what we can do as ordinary citizens..
- 21 Mar 2010 00:08
- Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
- Topic: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
- Replies: 3520
- Views: 842591
Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread
So did Ajai Shukla did a run down between T-80UD and T-90 Bishma to come to that conclusion that T-90 barely matches competition ? Chances are we will never find such things out unless we meet face to face with T-80UD on some ideal battle grounds Most probably Ajai did not do that, but inferring th...
- 24 Sep 2009 10:57
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
- Replies: 2359
- Views: 421676
Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
sudeep - do you know why a major, a MARCOS man and two soldiers got killed in Kashmir yesterday and you and I are alive. It is because they are trained to do and not think. Our nuclear forces have to be trained to do, and not think India gets nuked. We nuke back. Period. That is the law that has be...
- 24 Sep 2009 08:28
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
- Replies: 2359
- Views: 421676
Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
My point is, its a difficult decision. For all your bravado, no one knows how even someone like you will react in that situation. Posture is one thing, reality, quite another. For e.g. look at the example of the Brit submarine commander I cited above (I think the movies was McNamaras famous intervi...
- 24 Sep 2009 08:27
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
Besides, Pakistan might use this opportunity to lob some bombs from its side as well. It knows that if it initiates a first strike, it will incur an unacceptable retaliation from us. Its calculation therefore will be to take advantage of a Chinese attack on us. In fact, it might even be a well-coor...
- 24 Sep 2009 08:20
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
Thats the stupidest thing I ever heard.. What have you gained? You loose your victim status, you loose all your cities in the bargain and all those mothers with babies - they will all become statistics, I guarantee it. This is the shakiness and uncertainty that will make retaliation fail. For this ...
- 24 Sep 2009 08:06
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
- Replies: 2359
- Views: 421676
Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
If China uses a tactical nuke against our forces it would be a mistake not to nuke the hell out f Chinese cities. It would be a serious error to play a small escalation game and use a tactical nuke knowing that China will be able to destroy at least half of our missile forces and nuclear forces. if...
- 24 Sep 2009 07:58
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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- Views: 421676
Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
So, this has all been gamed before -- is MAD the only viable deterrent posture with respect to your immediate adversaries? Desis keep saying MCD or CMD and NFU, but I havent seen any 'games' in which this posture stops an adversary with greater depth in WMD and conventional capacity, from achieving...
- 24 Sep 2009 07:50
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
My answer: At this point: If India stands by its stated nuclear doctrine India will nuke Beijing. Shanghai, Chengdu and other cities with whatever we have got. Anything less than that and we have no deterrence. It is a different thing to believe that your leaders as psychologically incapable of doi...
- 24 Sep 2009 07:41
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
How about this scenario:~ 1) China takes over border posts in 'South Tibet' 2) India manages to achieve local preponderance in certain theaters. 3) China nukes div. headquarters/other tactical objectives, resulting in hundreds of civilian deaths, but mostly army. My answer: At this point: If India ...
- 24 Sep 2009 06:58
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
Finally, just the threat of incoming Chinese Dongfeng-21 IRBMs carrying warheads in the 1-3.3 megaton range would so psychologically cripple Indian political leaders with only 20 KT firecrackers to bank on, they will likely throw in the towel. - this is a most laughable assertion. This shows that K...
- 24 Sep 2009 06:35
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
- Replies: 2359
- Views: 421676
Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
# of Indians who will be killed due to NOT showcasing our FULL nuke capability and yield and thereby rendering India vulnerable How would TN weapons prevent any of the deaths above? Did the Tsar Bomba prevent the deaths at Beslan? The Moscow Theater siege? Did Ivy-Mike prevent 9-11 ? No, but it did...
- 24 Sep 2009 06:33
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
(3) Have our weapons created space for us at the high table? - Yes. <snip> Before members go on tangents about how much suffering a 25KT weapons shall create, please ask and try to answer the question as to why the P5 acquired and maintained - and continue to do so in an interconnected world - City...
- 24 Sep 2009 05:54
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
Regarding the MT bums and ICBMs, the issue of why that route is the same as building battleships in 2009, was discussed at length during the Civilian Nuclear Deal discussion and other discussions. Thanks, but I don't want to engage in trying to explain that to people who cannot "understand&quo...
- 24 Sep 2009 03:59
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
On the other Expert Opinion: If hajaar-MT bums are such a brilliant notion, how come the US and Russia are spending so much money REDUCING their number today as far as possible and turning them into light-bulb current? If 100 1-MT bums are minimum credible deterrent, then 100,000 should be hajaar t...
- 24 Sep 2009 01:48
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
- Replies: 2359
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
why did these powers make herculean efforts to develop these weapons? To keep abreast Some like breast agumentation Some like breast reduction The important thing is to have breast to beat on. Also why? *** I would suggest that this was done on specific requirements by the players, in order to crea...
- 24 Sep 2009 01:33
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
Many members are claiming that anything greater than 25KT is not really needed since the pain of even a few 25KT weapons will be as unbearable as a few MT weapons. Many highly accomplished people have a tendency to reinvent the wheel. Enamored by their own intellect, they refuse to follow and someti...
- 18 Sep 2009 07:07
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
A properly designed shaft can take even a 5MT test! From the OTA document above The third test, “Cannikin,” November 6, 1971, was the Spartan warhead test with a reported yield of “less than five megatons. This test, by far the highest-yield underground test ever conducted by the United States, was...
- 18 Sep 2009 02:40
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
A little bit of thought would tell whoever made the above post about Khetolai residents being asked to stand outside, that asking people to stand OUTSIDE during a thermonuclear nuclear blast that may very well vent, is an incredibly stupid thing to do. Nuclear plumes rise to 12,000 feet and anyone ...
- 18 Sep 2009 02:10
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
The argument is that if there had been any more "yield" from EITHER S1 or S2, people would have been hurt or died. Why is this "neither necessary nor sufficient" to prove that one of the following has to be true: There are numerous reports that villagers were asked to come out o...
- 17 Sep 2009 23:43
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
One Q i had in the article As for radioactivity levels, senior BARC radiochemists who undertook radio-assay of fission products in samples similarly drilled at Pokhran-I (of May 1974) told Santhanam that the yield announced to the media was substantially higher than what they had submitted to Dr. R...
- 17 Sep 2009 10:16
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
The 25 kT he is talking is the S1 weapon as it is was tested. But Arun, he specifically mentions fission bomb yield as 25KT.. Is it a copy-editing error? http://beta.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article21311.ece The fission bomb yield from the DRDO’s seismic instrumentation was 25 +2 kiloton and left...
- 17 Sep 2009 05:43
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
Santhanam's article clears some things up, but creates some more confusions.. BARC claimed the fission weapons yield was 15KT, Santhanam says it was 25KT, why the discrepancy here? :-? Perhaps the FBF primary of the S1 experiment has been deployed as the weapon and not the 15KT weapon in TajMahal sh...
- 11 Sep 2009 08:29
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
Why the hell should we be worried about giving away 'TN design info' when the powers that be have proliferated by the dozen? Because the powers who can put spokes in our wheels should not know exactly where we are because 1) They will impose hidden sanctions to retard further progress 2) will offer...
- 11 Sep 2009 08:19
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
Its not national Glory that people are after, its national security and survival. If it was glory, people would have complained 10 years ago, its only when insiders have come out with statements doubting capabilities that the present controversy has begun. Perhaps its not the arguments presented but...
- 11 Sep 2009 08:03
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
Why the hell should we be worried about giving away 'TN design info' when the powers that be have proliferated by the dozen? Sudeep, It was never a proliferation issue. The whole idea of not giving the bomb design away is to not let the world know the extent of design capabilities that exist within...
- 11 Sep 2009 07:59
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
After all data will always be hard to come by - so what confidence will we have in our second round tests (if it happens)? Arnab Guru, That is the crux of the problem. With data hard to come by how will folks who don't have confidence in the scientists who will conduct the second round, if any, bel...
- 11 Sep 2009 07:45
- Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
- Topic: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
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Re: Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Part-2
My saying that was not to be contemptuous of RC etc. at all, When you blow up bikini atoll and leave a huge crater behind, your word carries some weight, simply because the evidence at hand is over whelming. An enemy would be deterred by the such scientific depth of capabilities, if not the weapon ...