Bharat Rakshak

sudeepj

The personal attack notes injected in the debate were undesirable but to an extent unavoidable. On the other hand, so is getting distracted by these attacks from the nature of the debate! Who cares what self important folks have to say. Let me also add, that a lot of 'proof' that has been extended ...

sudeepj

By rubbishing the earlier test as a failure, they hope to make the case for more nuclear tests. On BRF the intent may have been noble, but the method was a self goal. The most effective route would have been to say "One test of 60 kt is not enough and I stand by my word on this" rather th...

sudeepj

OK, does this works in the context of China ? With the unvieling of Arihant who took the intiative to establish hotline...and invited India to open embassy in Lhasa...Period. The government leadership is satisfied with the state of our deterrent posture and so also the armed forces. .... Fission we...

sudeepj

I remember reading an article by KSubramaniam in this thread about India having developed 60-80 KT weapons, the yields of which are not in question. Unfortunately I cant locate the article so cant quote it here.. The problem with a fission weapon of 60-80KT is:~ 1) The weapon will use up more pluton...

sudeepj

The "fizzle" caused at least Mag 5.2 in Khetolai, some say 5.4. With a 43KT blast. Damaged houses, etc. but the designers did not consider it necessary to any more evacuation than that, showing what magnitude they expected. Going by the BARC stand, 5.2 is result of interferrence and 5.4 t...

sudeepj

Do you know how people were forced to leave their homes in Tehri? A local collector had the doors and windows ripped out, so the homes became un-inhabitable in the Terai winters and people had to leave. So much for your INDIAN-ness.. There are 52 POWs in Pakistani jails who have suffered 40+ years ...

sudeepj

This is Khetolai, in 2009. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=khetolai,+pokhran,+india&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=41.632176,79.013672&ie=UTF8&ll=27.022459,71.713461&spn=0.005496,0.013733&t=h&z=17 I am willing to place a bet that t...

sudeepj

That has absolutely NOTHING to do with a situation where someone DESIGNS a nuclear test and assesses the safety of the test. NO engineer in India is going to design the test in a way that endangers civilians. To suggest that they will, is blood libel and damnable slander against decent, hardworking...

sudeepj

Again a non-answer avoiding the simple question: Khetolai being 5 kms away from the epicenter, with people being evacuated IMO (just asked to sit outside their houses in Narayanans opinion), would have suffered 0 casualties. No one in their right mind designs a test knowing that it is going to caus...

sudeepj

Again a non-answer avoiding the simple question: Khetolai being 5 kms away from the epicenter, with people being evacuated IMO (just asked to sit outside their houses in Narayanans opinion), would have suffered 0 casualties. I am getting really tired of the cra* seen on this thread. These are INDIA...

sudeepj

Original question: If S1 was 45KT in a shaft ~200meters deep, in a non bulking medium like alluvium, where is the subsidence crater? Either the darn thing was in granite that bulks (so excellent coupling), or it was buried a lot deeper than 200 meters. Explain your terms better so people can follow...

sudeepj

So Mag. 5.4 kills. Mag 5.5 kills. Mag 5.6 kills. Mag 5.7 kills. Mag. 5.8 kills - Mag. 5.9 kills. The history is plainly there, right at the top in Google searches, though some people could not see any evidence of any problems below 6.0 It kills if people are in their URM homes when the quake strike...

sudeepj

Original question: If S1 was 45KT in a shaft ~200meters deep, in a non bulking medium like alluvium, where is the subsidence crater? Either the darn thing was in granite that bulks (so excellent coupling), or it was buried a lot deeper than 200 meters. For comparison purposes, http://nuclearweaponar...

sudeepj

simple question.

If the shaft for S1 was ~200 meters, in alluvium that does not bulk, and a 45KT event happened inside, is it possible that there is no subsidence crater?

sudeepj

Ground water turning black and radioactive contamination are two different things. Ground water may turn black/brackish due to any number of reasons. Lastly as Narayanan claims, I did not breezily dismiss groundwater contamination problems, simply stated that its an issue thats can be easily enginee...

sudeepj

One of the Pandavs (even if its Sahdev and not Bhim or Arjun) has come out and said, 'Draupadi is actually a dude dressed like a lady'.. Yet people want to continue to believe that Draupadi is a lady, because of the shape of her eyebrows, or how she ate like a lady or how she walked like a lady.. Gu...

sudeepj

Damage to Khetolai structures is a red herring. As far as I know, *none* of the structures collapsed (if they did, where are the pictures in the NPA press?), the max evidence of damage is significant cracks in some URM (Unreinforced Masonry) houses. URM is the worst kind of structure to withstand se...

sudeepj

On the question of "reassuring the people" (apart from the highly aware elite such as we are) - I would love to be pointed to publicly available videos of underground tests made by other nations. I am guessing that this has not been necessary because every country has earlier done atmosph...

sudeepj

For the S1, the device was placed at around 200m depth (memory). Now if masking was planned it would have to be deeper or it would not be contained. JMT I don't know. It was above the water table and it nearly blew the top off and vented. If it was a fizzle and not a designed yield then it was a bi...

sudeepj

narayanan wrote: Oh, Yes, of course, I am returning to the BENIS thread

The first bit of sense you have made in a long long while.. der aye, durust aye*

(* better late than never)

{sudeepJ: You have any technical or logical point to contribute to this thread? Or any thread? }

sudeepj

I never thought I would see a mod trolling, but I am.. Beta Narayanan, your talents are better displayed in the BENIS thread, stick to those environs

sudeepj

So your position is that Indian engineering design consists of doing something utterly disastrous, but evacuating the people from their homes that are about to be demolished and rendered radioactive if the design succeeds!!!!! Another bit of sillyness.. How would the homes be rendered radioactive u...

sudeepj

POST SHOT RADIOACTIVITY MEASUREMENTS ON SAMPLES EXTRACTED FROM THERMONUCLEAR TEST SITE By S.B.Manohar, B.S.Tomar, S.S.Rattan, V.K.Shukla, V.V.Kulkarni and Anil Kakodkar Anyone with basic physics and geometry understanding will surely understand and appreciate its significance. Arun can you please e...

sudeepj

Munna, there is not point in me exchanging words with you, there are many ways of delivering the required explanation from BARC. Any reasonable person would assume that this is what is meant, instead you go in another tangent of ridicule. Rest assured sir, the joke is on you. No this not about joki...

sudeepj

Going by your arguments so far, if tomorrow RC were to make the same statement, you would state that since he wasnt incharge of the TN design, Sikka was, its only Sikkas word that matters! No. As I said, it was not a one man show. If any member of the design team questions the yields there would be...

sudeepj

Bottomline is, there is a complete failure by one side in this debate to acknowledge that there is even a chance that what KS said is true! No there is not! People are trying to out think each other in terms of logic and not fear mongering. Whatever KS said can only be true if facts outside the pur...

sudeepj

A certain issue has been raised by an insider. What will it take for you or the no-fizzle gang to agree that the TN experiment was a partial failure? Has the insider provided one bit of 'evidence' not known previously? How much inside was this insider? Can he provide any data to the press? He cant,...

sudeepj

3 more pages later: So what's the answer to Q. 1, 2 and 3, again???? :roll: You are still asking questions? Have they responded to your observation regarding the damage to the Khelotai village and the likely prospect of killing the inhabitants in their beds with a larger blast? That question is bey...

sudeepj

I have a simple question to pose to detractors of Santhanam/folks who support the posn that no more nuclear tests are needed, what will it take for them to believe that the Indian thermonuclear device test was a fizzle? If RC/APJ/AK say so, would they then believe it? (Two are the weapons designers ...

sudeepj

And in KS' case, YES, they can and will prosecute him if he used his knowledge to make that statement. You reverence for the letter of the law is touching, but irrelevant. Can you clarify, is this your opinion, conjecture, what? Look into the rules on Insider Trading, to get another perspective on ...

sudeepj

And what you are missing is that the ONLY way in which Classified Information works, is that people who have it are not supposed to use it for ANYTHING they say EXCEPT IN CLEARLY CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENTS WHERE EVERYONE IS BOUND BY THE SAME LEVEL OF SECRECY AND HAS A NEED TO KNOW. You don't blurt it ...

sudeepj

Given the above, Dr. Raj Baldev is exactly as credible as Dr. KS. Or Dr. AK. Or Dr. PC. Or Dr. PKI. IOW, Zero. Are you saying that if Dr R Chidambaram were to hold a press conference, wipe the corner of his eye and say that yes the TN fizzled, he would still have zero credibility? Here is a person ...

sudeepj

So you are saying that K. Santhanam revealed Classified results in a public meeting and is still walking around free? I thought the IDSA meet was classified. It was supposed to be an off the record meet ('Chatham house rules' - contents can be published but not attributed) but a Dainik Bhaskar jour...

sudeepj

The results of nuclear tests are CLASSIFIED, ppl. They are not announced in Parliament except for their political implications or PR value. Anyone who says anything in public better be using UNCLASSIFIED info. And there can be no confirmation or rebuttal using CLASSIFIED info. So KS and PC and PKI ...

sudeepj

Whether or not he is a physicist is irrelevant to his claims. As director of site preparation, he knows exactly what the site was readied for (whether the shafts were dug for 200KT or 45KT) and exactly what the results of the experiment were. Recall there was a dispute between DRDO and BARC scienti...

sudeepj

KS isn't a physicist? http://www.drdo.org/pub/nl/aug2000/personnel.htm Dr K Santhanam has taken charge as Director, Defence Food Research Laboratory, Mysore, wef 1 May 2000. Whether or not he is a physicist is irrelevant to his claims. As director of site preparation, he knows exactly what the site...

sudeepj

Some time back I had posted a foreign policy article from Slate magazine, examining the 'special relationship' between Israel and the US. That article put forward the point that the US-Israel relationship was not what made Israel the regional military superpower that it is. Instead it was Israel (fo...

sudeepj

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/India/IndiaShakti.html * Bhabha Atomic Research Center (BARC) Leads o Anil Kakodkar, Director of BARC o Satinder Kumar Sikka, Lead for Thermonuclear Weapon Development o M.S. Ramakumar, Director of Nuclear Fuel and Automation Manufacturing Group; Lead for nuclear comp...

sudeepj

Howziter shells are more accurate & cheaper than MBRLs in general. But when we are putting guidance mechanism in them, then what is the point of craming it in shells rather than putting in rocket rounds as the cost of electronics far exceeds the cost of rounds Here is how I look at it.. electro...

sudeepj

Here is the original report from Indian express. It turns out, the shell actually hit the targets intended, but failed to go off. If they can get the 'hitting of the target' correctly, the fuse would be a minor issue. http://www.indianexpress.com/news/most-of-krasnopol-ammo-for-bofors-guns-turn/17346/

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