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by MarcH
05 Oct 2015 19:41
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3972
Views: 316426

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

The only medium aircraft fitting the budget are MiG-29's. Russians ordered some SMT's last year for 20something mill a pop. Make that 25 mill for UPG's and you'll get a medium capability using existing infrastructure and logistics.
Not as shiny as Rafales, but affordable and easier absorbed.
by MarcH
14 Sep 2015 13:31
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3972
Views: 316426

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

To be honest, I don't understand why the GoI and the IAF are still wanting the Rafale. Dassault totally fleeced India in the M2K update. Rafale was declared L1 and winner over Typhoon based on lower assumed lifecycle costs. (Dassault later added items previously not included, making the decision at ...
by MarcH
16 Jan 2015 06:55
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3957
Views: 225774

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Strange discussion. The true scandal is that Dassault was declared L1 and selected over the Typhoon on the basis of fudged numbers. The GOI doesn't have a problem with Dassault hiking the price by 100% but somehow the interpretation of a silly contract clause is now the sticking point ? That's just ...
by MarcH
21 Sep 2014 01:23
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3957
Views: 225774

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Considering that India needs those jets yesterday at a reasonable price the best options have always been the Typhoon and the Shornet. Dassault won the competition by creative pricing. The product they offer is of course excellent, and my impression is the Rafale has been the prefered choice due to ...
by MarcH
03 Feb 2012 11:02
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions
Replies: 5222
Views: 297930

Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

I somehow don't understand the British. The Indian side was quite clear that L1 would walk away with the deal. Dassault provided the better terms and won the competition. Congratualtion to Dassault, good luck getting some profit out of the deal. If talks with Dassault for some reason hit a roadblock...
by MarcH
21 Jan 2012 00:19
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 3
Replies: 716
Views: 38832

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

So, both DASS and PIRATE are not completely done yet. Wonder if that is all only due to money or maturity of these products? PIRATE is ready for years. Italy, Spain and UK have them in operational service. The new IRST for Gripen NG is a further development of PIRATE. DASS is fully operational, too...
by MarcH
20 Jan 2012 21:03
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 3
Replies: 716
Views: 38832

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

does the rafale OSF has some parts deleted now to save cost? and OSF2 funding is not tied up? is the EF Pirate fully functional in the luftwaffe? Current OSF comes without IR channel. Just TV at the moment. Luftwaffe gets no Pirates. Austerity measure. You know, there is no money. Israel may want a...
by MarcH
20 Jan 2012 01:40
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 3
Replies: 716
Views: 38832

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

What is the counter to a stealth fighter ? The answer seems to be at the moment: another stealth fighter. Somehow I don't understand the logic behind that. There is an analogy in naval warfare. The submarine. If your enemy fields a large force of submarines, do create a large submarine force yoursel...
by MarcH
17 Jan 2012 22:10
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 3
Replies: 716
Views: 38832

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

koti wrote:That is ok, but what is the point that you want to put ahead in the above post apart from ridiculing Indian bureaucracy?


Point is, even if Eurofighter is identified as L1, there are good reasons to go for Rafale. It is as programme way easier to handle.
by MarcH
17 Jan 2012 10:46
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 3
Replies: 716
Views: 38832

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

I think you guys should get around your idea of involvement of EADS as a whole. The partner in the Typhoon programme is Cassidian, or EADS's German military aviation division. They missed a huge opportunity, when they picked a new name. I would have gone for the old one, Messerschmitt. Of course the...
by MarcH
10 Jan 2012 05:40
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 3
Replies: 716
Views: 38832

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

GeorgeWelch wrote:Tankers don't use forward bases.


No, but MiG-29's, Jag's and MiG-27's do. In the end more available sorties. If the more expansive assets can operate from safer bases, that's a plus.
by MarcH
10 Jan 2012 04:40
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 3
Replies: 716
Views: 38832

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

If you want the Litening III, HARM, Maverick, JSOW, AMRAAM, JDAM and/or SDB integrated, the Rafale is no longer 'ready to go'. Not unless the IAF plans to stick to the AASM and Scalp-EG, which if the MICA buy is any evidence, are going to be unpleasantly expensive. Which means as far as the time-fr...
by MarcH
09 Jan 2012 02:48
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 3
Replies: 716
Views: 38832

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

While I read quite often that Typhoon + American weapons would be a cost effective solution, I ask myself why not Rafale + American weapons ? None of those listed are integrated in either platform (or integrated in both, as is the case with older Paveway series bombs...). And both use the same Mil S...
by MarcH
15 Dec 2011 05:43
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Oh yes, the wonderful JSF. Bill Sweetman reports about the programme status: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Pos...
by MarcH
30 Nov 2011 04:25
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

We all know why the Swiss prefer the Rafale. Training in warm Southern France is way more appealing then training in cold north-eastern Germany. :P

By the way the Swiss are a bit miffed about German measures against the tax evasion services offered by Swiss banks to German citizens. :rotfl:
by MarcH
29 Nov 2011 04:44
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Some people would not even choose between EF and Rafale : http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indian-air-force-modernisation-plan-126-mmrca-deal/1/161765.html :eek: Good day all, Tay. Strange story. India's geostrategical situation isn't exactly comparable to the latest conflicts of the combined &qu...
by MarcH
24 Nov 2011 04:40
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

The discussion about better a2a performance leads nowhere. I believe EF is the better plattform for Meteor, yes. But is that of any relevance to India ? As long as China and Pakistan don't get anything comparable to Meteor both fighters will enjoy a healthy advantage. And I wouldn't be worried all t...
by MarcH
07 Nov 2011 23:51
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Hey Tay, thank you so far for the reasonable discussion. Never thought I would say something like that to a Rafale supporter. Being German myself I guess I should be in the EF camp. Well, regarding the high and fast performance there is more to it then just more thrust. Eurofighter's engines where o...
by MarcH
07 Nov 2011 05:18
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

I don't see the point of F-35. The aircraft won't work without link 16 and military grade GPS. Note that the transports bought by India are not fitted with american coms.

Integrating Indian alternatives would require source codes. Codes are not even given to their pet, err closest ally UK.
by MarcH
02 Nov 2011 05:06
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

I'm kinda sceptical about the relevance of the Libyan arms demo. India doesn't face a third world country with 60ies vintage equipment. The worst case scenario is a two front war against Pakistan and China. Fighting Flanker hordes is what the Tiffy has been designed for. Several stories have surface...
by MarcH
01 Nov 2011 04:21
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

The counter to the J-20 is the Sukhoi T-50. The MMRCA is a counter to Chinas J-10B/J-11 and Pakistani F-16/JF-17. I think one can safely assume both Euro Canards compare quite favourably to afore mentioned 4th gen fighters.
by MarcH
23 Oct 2011 14:52
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Why so negative ? IAF wants Rafale, orders M2K update with huge weapons package and huge budget to include equipment usefull for Rafale. IAF stresses the synergy and simplified logistics of Rafale <->M2K. Finance ministry follows that argumentation and IAF finally gets a new toy. :wink:
by MarcH
18 Oct 2011 02:39
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Tay, do you have any info about the dicision between Brimstone and those laser guided rockets for Rafale ?

Would be nice to know what the AdlA/MN goes for.
by MarcH
16 Oct 2011 21:20
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

I think I've got a possible explanation for the difference made between Tiffy and Gripen. Part of the Tiffy tranche 2 standard were changes to the radar and airframe to provide for an AESA upgrade. (more cooling capacity etc.) That is one of the reasons the British thought about retiring their T1 Ti...
by MarcH
16 Oct 2011 03:35
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Please elaborate on this.... Well, the article claimed that Gripen and Tiffy use the same radar system by the same manufacturer. That is wrong. Gripens ES-05 is produced by Ericsson, Eurofighters CAPTOR-E by Euroradar consortium (Cassidian, Indra, Selex). What they have in common is their heritage ...
by MarcH
12 Oct 2011 22:49
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Interestingly, while the choice of radar has been given as the reason why the lower cost Gripen was eliminated, the Eurofighter has the exact same radar system as the Swedish aircraft, made by the same manufacturer . Additionally, the lifecycle costs of the Eurofighter are believed to be nearly ten...
by MarcH
23 Sep 2011 03:36
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

In one of the links posted by Arthuro it was stated that Rafale could demonstrate SC in Switzerland. But not specific with which loadout. Tiffy has a SC speed of M1,5 clean and M1,3 with a2a loadout (6 missiles + 3 droptanks).
by MarcH
21 Aug 2011 15:06
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Focus on CAS is all nice if your enemy has no airforce. Hardly the case for India. Without (punktual) air superiority CAS aircraft will suffer extremely high attrition rates. Given that India has to compensate with higher quality vs. the quantity of Chinese + Pakistani airforces I think its actually...
by MarcH
12 Aug 2011 03:01
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Isn't the writing already on the wall ? IAF will get Rafales, part of the deal will be paid through the rediculous expensive M2K update. Officially the Rafales will be sold at fire sale prices and everybody is happy. That's the only way one of the big ECD's will fit in the budget.
by MarcH
05 Aug 2011 21:48
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

In the end Kopp has a strong dislike for any aircraft that's not called F-22 or F-111. In his article about EF he sums it up as "F-15 class performance in a F-18 sized airframe." And now he rates the F-15 higher in this chart. And unfortunately he's wrong in both. Tiffy offers better perfo...
by MarcH
21 Jul 2011 19:27
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Yeah, but it's not about a new pope. After the M2K upgrade signed it should be clear that Rafale wins. No sane person would spend that much money on old airframes. Well, unless this upgrade is used to offload part of the throughlife costs of the Rafale.
by MarcH
14 Jul 2011 16:23
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

With regard to the Mirage upgrade deal: Maybe all they are trying to do is set the ground for announcing Euro-Fighter as the winning candidate. To assuage the French a Mirage deal and the second submarine line deal. 8) Though i do not personally think much of this "need to care for hurt feelin...
by MarcH
29 Jun 2011 01:03
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Well, for one you don't deal with 4 countries, you deal with Eurofighter GmbH. Next thing is (here I'm repeating myself) how a company with one production line (producing 11 airframes a year) can quickly wind up production, train up Indian workers and supervise the setup of HAL's production line. Th...
by MarcH
27 Jun 2011 00:17
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Well I'm fairly certain the EF comes up trumps on both counts - cost and political/strategic considerations. Regarding cost - a licensed produced EF will in all probability be cheaper than corresponding Rafale, due to simple economies of scale. And while we're on cost, one must also consider the of...
by MarcH
26 Jun 2011 17:04
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

I agree with you MarcH. There are pros and cons to both the a/c. And as I said in my earlier post, that these factors need to be balanced. factors, the details of which, we are not privy too. The Germans may have opposed the Iraq war. They also refused to give us arms for our paramilitary/police be...
by MarcH
26 Jun 2011 14:23
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

rajanb, I think your response has a lot of thought and weight in it as well. Also Britain and Germany being part of the consortium may make them very susceptible to the U.S pressure. Britain is in the U.S camp by all means. one good thing about France is that they always take their own decisions. t...
by MarcH
15 Jun 2011 13:21
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Well, I don't pretent to have a crystal ball. I'll just wait for Le Bourget. One thing I know is, that GaN MMIC's are already in production for civil telecom applications. Don't know how much of this tech can be carried over to building AESA antennas. :-? But yay to wihsful thinting. Just as much wi...
by MarcH
15 Jun 2011 02:51
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/eurofighter-nations-inch-closer-to-new-radar-commitment-30003/ From the above article: The UK MoD funding will lead to the first flight of a Captor-E prototype in 2013. But it will feature only limited radar modes, and the array will consist of...
by MarcH
05 Jun 2011 04:40
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Not to mention that in every war game so far, it has seemingly topped the tiffy. That's wrong. During visits to Laage AFB in northern Germany Rafale didn't come out on top. But as in any DACT, we don't know the ROE's. Just that Rafale pilots admitted the Eurofighter had advantages due to it's more ...
by MarcH
04 Jun 2011 04:01
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
Views: 564640

Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Dunno, but I can't follow Mr. Tellis argumentation. Rafoon doesn't only offer the better kinematic performance, but score in those very areas, where the Shornet is supposedly superior. BVR combat ? Better supersonic manouverbility + superior missile (Meteor) + long range radar (at least EF) + better...

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