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by Prem Kumar
18 May 2018 09:10
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

There are 2 recent papers that have pretty much killed the Steppe-homeland theory . 1) The absence of Steppe DNA in Anatolia during the time IE was spoken there 2) The Maykop culture being ancestral to the Steppe, implying South to North DNA movement This has caused a lot of heartburn among the Step...
by Prem Kumar
12 May 2018 16:54
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

This obsession with Steppes is pathetic. In all probability, their contribution to the world's culture was limited. I propose that we call them the Bronze Age Arabs , who took Indian language/culture/religion to the West. Just like how the later day Arabs transmitted algebra. And how the even later ...
by Prem Kumar
12 May 2018 16:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

The intentional fraud that geneticists choose to believe and propagate is this Because Steppe people invaded Europe, they must have invaded India too As Koenraad Elst says, there is plenty of evidence for a Steppe invasion into Europe: abrupt archaeological changes, signs of violence etc. But there ...
by Prem Kumar
11 May 2018 01:09
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

I have a theory on how they will weasel out of these conflicting studies: 1) Anatolia got IE due to "exchanges" and "elite dominance". There was some interaction with Steppe_EMBA, but genetically undetectable 2) Anatolia IE is early 3) South Asia got its DNA via "invasion&qu...
by Prem Kumar
07 May 2018 14:19
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016
Replies: 2481
Views: 445086

Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

I still suspect hanky-panky. The failure rate is way too high. Plus we lost a satellite due to launch problems. May seem like independent incidents, each having its own root cause. But having seen American perfidy before (ISRO Nambi incident, Homi Bhabha death etc), I wouldn't rule anything out. If ...
by Prem Kumar
01 May 2018 22:08
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: 26/11/2008: Never Forget. Never Forgive
Replies: 540
Views: 40411

Re: 26/11/2008: Never Forget. Never Forgive

I don't like the fact that, in the close captioning, they replaced the word "Allah" with "God". The call records are filled with the word "Allah"
by Prem Kumar
30 Apr 2018 23:35
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Here's an interesting tidbit: Niraj Rai, who has done a U-turn and become an AIT supporter, was granted a visiting scholarship at Harvard Medical School (Reich lab)!! Recall the incident where Witzel offered Talageri a scholarship at Harvard if the latter changed his views Now this guy Niraj Rai lea...
by Prem Kumar
28 Apr 2018 23:53
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Check out the 1-sentence-summary of Vagheesh's paper One Sentence Summary: Genome wide ancient DNA from 357 individuals from Central and South Asia sheds new light on the spread of Indo-European languages and parallels between the genetic history of two sub-continents, Europe and South Asia. This is...
by Prem Kumar
28 Apr 2018 13:00
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Shri RS Bisht's work is unbelievably thorough!! True tapasya!
by Prem Kumar
28 Apr 2018 12:58
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Murugan: the link from the Facebook page is dead. When I Googled, I found the full report (you can confirm if its the same one) http://www.academia.edu/12012020/Excavations_at_Dholavira_1989-2005_RS_Bisht_2015_Full_text_including_scores_of_Indus_inscriptions_announced_for_the_first_time._Report_vali...
by Prem Kumar
28 Apr 2018 12:10
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Murugan: what's the Dholavira excavation report that was unpublished for 9 years?
by Prem Kumar
27 Apr 2018 19:07
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

The first thing to dismantle a narrative is to question the terms that are used casually as if they are self-evident. I will give 2 examples of such recent skullduggery 1) Steppe DNA: can some geneticist define what the heck this is? It better be some marker that is so goddamn unique that, just by l...
by Prem Kumar
27 Apr 2018 18:57
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

There are 2 main approaches as I see it 1) Shiv's approach, which argues that genetics does not mean language. Sanskrit is likely several thousand years old. It or its predecessor was spread over large parts of Iran. And it likely could have spread to Europe and Steppes from there 2) We look into wh...
by Prem Kumar
27 Apr 2018 18:40
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Agree with Shiv here. One minor setback and we get into a collective rhona-dhona mode!! We must keep plugging away and fighting the good fight. We have to build our civilizational narrative and brush aside anyone who gets in the way. OIT is not dead just because a Hartosh Bal or a Niraj Rai thinks s...
by Prem Kumar
27 Apr 2018 13:29
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Caravan Mag and Hartosh are habitual liars. So take whatever they say with a pinch of salt. Let the paper come out But "if" what they say is true, then Niraj Rai has done an about-turn. He was a vocal opponent of AIT. But he seems to indicate that there was a Steppe influx post 2600 BCE. A...
by Prem Kumar
25 Apr 2018 13:29
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Hi Rudradev: a request for you to read and comment on the quote below Let me ask a dumb question: Modern Indian population is being modeled as a cocktail of Steppe_MLBA, Iran_N, AASI, Onge etc. Presumably because: 1) Common mutations can be found 2) They fit a statistical curve 3) aDNA from Steppe, ...
by Prem Kumar
20 Apr 2018 23:39
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

In the loooong running tweet chain with Vagheesh, Shiv and others, I saw a comment of interest. It asked "How are all Indian groups a combo of Steppe, Iran etc DNA?". Basically, if India was already heavily populated, how do you explain a handful of Nomadic pastoralists to pass their genes...
by Prem Kumar
18 Apr 2018 18:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Let me ask a dumb question: Modern Indian population is being modeled as a cocktail of Steppe_MLBA, Iran_N, AASI, Onge etc. Presumably because: 1) Common mutations can be found 2) They fit a statistical curve 3) aDNA from Steppe, Iran are available, thereby positioning them as a possible source Poin...
by Prem Kumar
17 Apr 2018 11:35
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

If I may nitpick, even the "back migrations" may not be back migrations at all. Because there is no aDNA from India & its available only from Europe and Steppes, they call a certain DNA as Steppe DNA. So, if they find it in modern day Indians, they say "Indians have Steppe DNA&quo...
by Prem Kumar
15 Apr 2018 18:32
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: DefExpo 2018 Chennai
Replies: 332
Views: 32206

Re: DefExpo 2018 Chennai

The SAAB guys were pretty friendly (which was rare among foreign vendors in DefExpo). They let us carry and aim with a Carl Gustaf. We were there when they opened and they told me that they "might" let us play with a simulator of an RBS-70 (laser beam riding man portable SAM). But by the t...
by Prem Kumar
15 Apr 2018 18:07
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: DefExpo 2018 Chennai
Replies: 332
Views: 32206

Re: DefExpo 2018 Chennai

Is Vem Technologies participating in this event? Any updates if it is? Yes. I went to their stall. They had a few things displayed 1) A laser guided bomb - guidance kit, tail fins etc. 1000 lbs 2) A man portable ATGM. I believe he said it was 15 or 17 Kgs. Don't remember exactly 3) They had a gener...
by Prem Kumar
15 Apr 2018 18:02
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: DefExpo 2018 Chennai
Replies: 332
Views: 32206

Re: DefExpo 2018 Chennai

Karan M: sharing a nugget or two I picked up: 1) Was talking to a DRDO gentleman and he explained about flares. He showed me comparative graphs of indigenous flares vs the imported ones from the UK. Ours significantly outperforms the imported one. He explained how modern IIR guided missiles work. He...
by Prem Kumar
14 Apr 2018 22:32
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: DefExpo 2018 Chennai
Replies: 332
Views: 32206

Re: DefExpo 2018 Chennai

It was great to meet Kakarat and Bob V today at the DefExpo18! Had a lovely time visiting various stalls. The Sarang helicopter display was awesome. The DRDO folks were very helpful with information. I felt that 1 day wasn't enough, especially considering that you had to wait 1.5 hrs to get good sea...
by Prem Kumar
13 Apr 2018 23:05
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: DefExpo 2018 Chennai
Replies: 332
Views: 32206

Re: DefExpo 2018 Chennai

Thanks a lot Kakarat! I've sent you email

Are there age restrictions for DefExpo18?
by Prem Kumar
13 Apr 2018 22:25
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: DefExpo 2018 Chennai
Replies: 332
Views: 32206

Re: DefExpo 2018 Chennai

Thanks SSridhar: is there any registration requirement prior to going there? Any fees?
by Prem Kumar
13 Apr 2018 21:55
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: DefExpo 2018 Chennai
Replies: 332
Views: 32206

Re: DefExpo 2018 Chennai

Hi Bob V & others - some questions. Would greatly appreciate any answers: We are planning to go to DefExpo tomorrow (14th) and Island Grounds (15th) For DefExpo18 (Thiruvidandhai): it says that the gates open at 8 and the event begins at 9 AM. a) What time does it make sense to be there - 8 AM o...
by Prem Kumar
11 Apr 2018 22:25
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Replies: 1421
Views: 260389

Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Thanks tsarkar!

I thought you mentioned that she also had some positive things to say about Arjun and Tejas induction?
by Prem Kumar
11 Apr 2018 10:34
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: DefExpo 2018 Chennai
Replies: 332
Views: 32206

Re: DefExpo 2018 Chennai

Kakarat wrote:I think many of us are visiting the ships on 13th so why not have a BR meet at the ship itself?


Am game. Will try to make it.

Is there an age limit? Also, what's the location to see the ships?
by Prem Kumar
11 Apr 2018 10:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Good points, Anshuman. I'd forgotten that they'd talked about unpublished data. But I heard that Rakhigarhi paper was several months away, at least. Its interesting to note that K. Thangaraj (who'd be involved in any Rakhigarhi paper) is also a co-author of the Vagheesh paper, though he is not a lea...
by Prem Kumar
11 Apr 2018 09:18
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

What to make of this comment on biorxiv? The idea is that the Steppe component of Indian samples can be attributed to the Iranian Neolithic. http://disq.us/p/1rj4yuo I had posted the same comment on this forum as well. I found it very incisive. It looks like the data doesn't support the paper's con...
by Prem Kumar
11 Apr 2018 09:13
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Looks like they don't have good data on Rakhigarhi samples. I don't know if this means that they are trying (or) they have tried and given up. This is very unfortunate. The earlier set of Rakhigarhi DNA could not be analyzed due to contamination. There was hope by the researchers that the new set wo...
by Prem Kumar
11 Apr 2018 01:42
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Rudradev: I looked at the Lazaridis paper of 2016 that you pointed out. A couple of questions arose: 1) If they actually have Steppe_EMBA aDNA, why do they need to "model it"? Is it so that they can then take that model and apply it elsewhere? 2) Aren't the clusters used to "model&quo...
by Prem Kumar
10 Apr 2018 00:31
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Arun: that's what I am thinking too. But just because a particular mutation was found in the aDNA sample from the Steppes, doesn't mean its "Steppe DNA". This mutation could have very well evolved elsewhere and traveled to the Steppes. Who's to say that the ancestor the Steppe DNA will not...
by Prem Kumar
09 Apr 2018 23:34
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Replies: 1421
Views: 260389

Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Tsarkar: can you summarize what the RM said? The Facebook video audio quality is very poor.
by Prem Kumar
09 Apr 2018 23:25
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Excellent points, Rudradev! Why don't you counter Vagheesh on Twitter? Or you should blog about this kind of buffoonery. Had a couple of simple poochs: 1) Where did this " a large number of modern day Indians have Steppe DNA " come from? I am hearing it for the first time these days. Never...
by Prem Kumar
07 Apr 2018 16:25
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

I haven't read this latest paper yet, but found this comment interesting: http://disq.us/p/1rj4yuo I'm sorry but, while the amount of data revealed here is very impressive, the conclusions re. steppe influence do not seem to match with the data in any obvious way. First figure 2 (because it's easier...
by Prem Kumar
16 Mar 2018 23:19
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4891
Views: 270312

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Lets keep aside the point of whether Vyasa meant the AV observation as a "bad omen" or not. Achar's argument occurred to me and to several others as well. The bottomline is this: if Vyasa described the AV phenomenon, then our archaeo-astronomy needs to take it into account. We cannot selec...
by Prem Kumar
16 Mar 2018 23:00
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Replies: 1421
Views: 260389

Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Kartik: excellent post. You should write a short & brutal rebuttal in Swarajya or OpIndia about the lies of people like Rajat Pandit. We now have these news outlets which will publish such views.

Its a shame if this knowledge remains confined to BRF
by Prem Kumar
15 Mar 2018 01:11
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector
Replies: 3084
Views: 246278

Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

I have a suspicion that the Naval anti-ship missile, short-range might actually be an "anti-anti-ship missile, short range".

I.e. a new gen Trishul or Barak-1 replacement
by Prem Kumar
07 Mar 2018 00:36
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1579
Views: 192546

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

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