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by johneeG
25 May 2016 10:56
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

So, any migration before 10K would become 'Dravidians'? Don't follow you... The only questions that matter are: 1. Is there any real distinction between Aryan and Dravidian family languages or are they both part of the same larger family? I think answer is more likely to be the latter - but can't b...
by johneeG
25 May 2016 10:28
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Thanks for that answer about 10K. What is the 'Dravidian' entry date? Another mystery to be solved....according to many Dravidianists Elam spoke a Dravidian language. In which case entry date would be linked to fall of Elam. More likely though - both ASI and ANI are indigenous to Indian subcontinen...
by johneeG
25 May 2016 10:20
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

So, any migration after 10K would prove AIT? Why only 10K? Why not 20K or 30K? Most markers of modern-day civilization are associated with last 10K years - including agriculture, urban settlements, all religious scriptures, writing, grammar etc. If Sanskrit is not indegenous to India over last 10K ...
by johneeG
25 May 2016 10:00
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Pulikeshi,
please man, context! :roll: Genetic dating is important for this thread and genetic dating is based on evolution theory.
by johneeG
25 May 2016 09:48
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Arjun, So, any migration after 70K before present would prove AIT? Why? Aryans, Dravidians, Adivasis and everyone else (if they are indeed different races) had to have come in after 70K BCE....so AMT, DMT, AdMT are all a given if we consider these ancient timeframes. The only sequencing I and most ...
by johneeG
25 May 2016 09:47
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Pulikeshi,
I don't know what your point really is as your post is convoluted and rambling. If you are claiming that genetics is not based on evolution theory (especially dating), then I think you are wrong.
by johneeG
25 May 2016 09:24
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Arjun,
So, any migration after 70K before present would prove AIT?
by johneeG
25 May 2016 09:04
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

It does. But still not clear and the fault is mine. Say Z93. Two individuals A and B: AB 00 (none have it) 01 (B has it) 10 (A has it) 11 (both have it) How does this determine who is older? Can you give an example with another gene and Z93 to help clarify the example. In other words if we use two ...
by johneeG
25 May 2016 08:50
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

The 2nd fallacy is the one Shiv posted & one that I call out in my MyInd piece as well: i.e. we cannot take any random gene movement and claim Look ma, Aryans! . If the gene data shows, to give a hypothetical example, that Z93 moved to India in 3000 BCE, that's not AIT . In fact, if that's the ...
by johneeG
24 May 2016 21:33
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: China Watch Thread-I
Replies: 816
Views: 57746

Re: China Watch Thread-I

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/11/queen-chinese-officials-very-rude-xi-jinping-state-visit Queen says Chinese officials were 'very rude' during president's state visit Chinese diplomats seem to be pretty hard-nosed. I think all Asian diplomats should learn from Chinese on dealing with th...
by johneeG
16 May 2016 21:16
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

johneeG: sometimes genetics can reveal smaller dates as well. Like the Priya Moorjani paper that talked about ANI-ASI admixture between 4200-1900 YBP (that's a recent and narrow time window). Or the recent paper by Poznik that talks about Z93 population expansion in India 4500-4000 YBP. But agree w...
by johneeG
12 May 2016 14:09
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

johneeG: 1) Agree with you that, to get a complete picture, all fields need to be brought together. And this is where AIT completely unravels. Each field is bring in more & more evidence against invasion/immigration. The accumulating evidence is the reason why AIT became AMT, which in turn has ...
by johneeG
11 May 2016 11:11
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Shiv: interesting point you made about references to non-genetic works in a genetics paper. I happened to notice is earlier today. Was reviewing one of the genetic papers and checked out the references. Voila - it references articles/books/papers from linguistics or other fields! One of them referr...
by johneeG
08 May 2016 13:02
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

I think the post clearly says the basis for calling the Irrawaddy the Airavati. If I may re post the part that explains it: Tamil teacher back in school would always talk about the "Airavati river in Burma." Being curious, I went and looked it up, and that's when I realized that the "...
by johneeG
03 May 2016 15:59
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Memories are long. Tamil teacher back in school would always talk about the "Airavati river in Burma." Being curious, I went and looked it up, and that's when I realized that the "Irrawady" was actually the "Airavati." That was the first inkling I had, that the Indian ...
by johneeG
02 May 2016 09:02
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Sudarshan, stop commenting on me and my thinking and all that. Counter the posts(if you can) not the posters. Elementary etiquette. There was no comment about you, your motives, your private life, no name-calling, or anything like that. Yes, I *was* commenting about the thinking behind the post. Ar...
by johneeG
02 May 2016 06:27
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

I think he's going by the word endings. "Agasthya" means "from Agasthi" (does it, really? My Sanskrit is at a very elementary level, so I'm not really sure), therefore "Agasthya" the sage must be named after "Agasthi," the star. Unfortunately, that is very of...
by johneeG
01 May 2016 21:45
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Nilesh Oak ji, the story about Agastya crossing the Vindhyas, is said to be in the direction from North to South, however the star Canopus's (Agastya) visibility "crosses" Vindhyas from South to North. Shouldn't the direction of both match! Secondly the visibility of Canopus in Kanyākumar...
by johneeG
01 May 2016 21:36
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Nope. See Vaman Purana: tatra devīṃ dadarśātha puṇyāṃ pāpavimocanīm / plakṣajāṃ brahmaṇaḥ putrīṃ harijihvāṃ sarasvatīm // VamP_23.13 // Here Saraswati is her daughter. pūrvaṃ prajeyaṃ prapitāmahena sṛṣṭā samaṃ bhūtagaṇaiḥ samastaiḥ /VamP_23.44.1 / Here Saraswati is his first creation amongst rivers...
by johneeG
01 May 2016 11:10
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Re: US strike options on TSP
Replies: 2412
Views: 27305

Re: Understanding the US-2

everybody from bush era are tainted goods. trump won't touch them as he has publicly said iraq war was mistake. and his entire thing is he's an outsider. no palin as well. he already has the palin votes...why bother having her with her baggage. VP picks are supposed to get u votes u cannot get othe...
by johneeG
30 Apr 2016 15:15
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

If you carefully trace the lineages and genealogies mentioned in various scriptures, then you will reach the only conclusion that most of them are related to each other and belong to a very small time-period(about 100-200 yrs). You are quite correct - if you examine the book religions carefully - t...
by johneeG
29 Apr 2016 22:15
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

All children, disciples (especially if they did not stick to another lineage, as their name) and descendants of these are Vasisthas too. We have 'deified' Vasistha (in the form of Star Mizar) at the time of Ramayana itself. There is Vasistha in Ramayana (12209 BCE) and there is Vasistha in Mahabhar...
by johneeG
29 Apr 2016 21:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Johnneeg: The key for identifying Saraswati in Ramayana is the river Ikshumati. अभिकालम् ततः प्राप्यते बोधिभवनाच्च्युताम् | पितृपैतामहीम् पुण्याम् तेरुरिक्षुमतीम् नदीम् || २-६८-१७ Note the use of the word Pitrapaitamahi. This adjective has been explained by drawing a connection with the ancestors o...
by johneeG
29 Apr 2016 19:55
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

2 articles, which will be of interest to readers here about the falsehoods in the sheet-anchor theory: 1) This coin was found in 2013, supposedly proving existence of Vikramaditya . I wonder why no research/paper was done on it! http://www.hindustantimes.com/bhopal/vikramaditya-steps-out-of-fables-...
by johneeG
27 Apr 2016 10:52
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2016
Replies: 2852
Views: 37478

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2

Wasn't all these alternative theories on 9/11 supposed to be conspiracy theories?! Now, they are not conspiracy anymore? 8)
by johneeG
24 Apr 2016 15:17
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition
Replies: 2679
Views: 25167

Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Isn't the same thing as removing "Hindu" from Yoga, meditation, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism type of work? I think as Hindus, it should be pretty easy to grasp the concept of selecting the right Yoddha for any given fight. Against Mahiṣāsura, the right Yoddha was Durga, against Raktabīja it...
by johneeG
22 Apr 2016 21:25
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Does anyone (johnny?) have all references to Saraswati in Valmiki ramayana handy? How does one determine which is the oldest ramayana text we have? स प्रान् मुखो राज गृहात् अभिनिर्याय वीर्यवान् | ततः सुदामाम् द्युतिमान् सम्तीर्वावेक्ष्य ताम् नदीम् || २-७१-१ ह्लादिनीम् दूर पाराम् च प्रत्यक् स्रोतः त...
by johneeG
22 Apr 2016 19:56
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 200
Views: 3540

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

So, are duties also tied to Soul or only rights? Just to clarify, I disagree with your view that rights and ideas on soul are related. Rights or duties have nothing to do with whether soul exists or whether goddess/god exists. Rights and duties are a contract between the Govt and its citizens. Citi...
by johneeG
21 Apr 2016 18:42
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 200
Views: 3540

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

but organized monotheistic creeds can minimize the effects of this weakness to some extent. On the other hand, caste system is a fatal flaw for a polytheistic, unorganized, and multi-linguistic society. I don't think India's historical experience supports this assertion...Isn't it generally accepte...
by johneeG
21 Apr 2016 18:27
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Shiv ji, I haven't been following JohneeG ji's posts for a while, but I do remember this was not the case when we were discussing different schools of Vedanta a couple of years ago - I was the one making a case for Indic monotheism in Vedanta, while he was taking the standpoint of Adi Shankara's Ad...
by johneeG
19 Apr 2016 17:49
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 200
Views: 3540

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Shiv, Please desist from the personal. JohneeG, In a way you have begun this by suggesting shiv is ignorant of something in the above post. I suggest you desist from that line of argument as well. No, he started making these accusations from 2 days. I know that people make all sorts of accusations ...
by johneeG
19 Apr 2016 17:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 200
Views: 3540

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

Look Shiv, I know that you are allowed to get away with almost anything on BRF. But, really, this is too much. I do hope some mods take some action. If any other poster had done half of what you get away with, that poster would have been banned for life. If I had accused you or anyone else, I would ...
by johneeG
19 Apr 2016 17:15
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

But, then, show what kind of speculation is acceptable. Please show a good example according to you, so we know what is expected. Read the thread. There are a lot of good examples in it. Even when there are one or two wayward posts, I rarely interject (in fact I rarely interject against participant...
by johneeG
19 Apr 2016 17:13
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 200
Views: 3540

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

What nonsense! So, you are going to play munafiq-kafir accusation game?! I can throw that right back at you. Just because your login ID is shiv doesn't mean you are a Hindhu. You could easily be a muslim for all I know. Your lack of knowledge of basic Hindhuism was quite evident when you were saying...
by johneeG
19 Apr 2016 17:02
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

But, then, show what kind of speculation is acceptable. Please show a good example according to you, so we know what is expected.
by johneeG
19 Apr 2016 16:51
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Speaking of the origins of the Jews, there are more intriguing links than the Bible Study Group (which only mentions Aristotle's quote). See this: http://jewishtimes.com/16697/are-jews-from-india/opinion/ And this: http://shalomaste.ca/index.php/humanity-the-world-before-religion-war-inequality/ Li...
by johneeG
19 Apr 2016 16:33
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Ok, you show me a good Out of India theory according to you. Perhaps, I can see what you mean. BTW, I added some more info in my earlier post.
by johneeG
19 Apr 2016 16:22
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

JEM, we had the same discussion earlier. I don't think its a stretch. Now, I don't know if you see the similarities or not. But, I do. I see similarity in over-all theme. Similarity in memes. And even common names. Now, all similarities can be explained away or called co-incidents. Even when the nam...
by johneeG
19 Apr 2016 15:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society
Replies: 200
Views: 3540

Re: Tradition, Culture, Religion & Law in Indian Society

>>Dogma is a greek word which means 'belief' or 'opinion'. And it particularly applies to any opinion unsupported by logic or facts. Thats how I used that word in my post. Well, then you used it wrongly. Dogma is an ancient Greek word originally meaning opinion or belief. It has stopped meaning tha...
by johneeG
19 Apr 2016 15:25
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 3439
Views: 98143

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

>> thanks for checking and pointing the mistakes. MB is a long work and different works have different numerals. I made mistake in converting Roman numerals. Anyway, I am posting corrections: Noah's flood story is similar to the story of universal flood from Mahabharatha, Vana Parva, Section 186. N...

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