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by pankajs
09 Apr 2019 17:14
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Lets not give too much importance to anonymous handles.
by pankajs
09 Apr 2019 17:12
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384395

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

^^
When the bakis are unable or unwilling to accept multiple contradictory statements of Gafoor and Dimran tweets of anonymous handles will be brushed aside.

Still, our job is to keep pounding them on Gafoor's 2 pilots statement and Dimran's statement and u-turn.
by pankajs
09 Apr 2019 11:16
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384395

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

^^ Correct. Or do a sting on a Serving PAF high ranking offical or Gafoor and get them to admit their losses on hidden camera and pass it on to the Indian channels or something of that nature. BUT what this has done is completely sidelined the Balakot loss of face for the porkies! After a sufficient...
by pankajs
09 Apr 2019 10:58
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384395

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Why not just ignore them? GoI action against them will give them more fame . They will love it, especially since criticizing current Indian govt. will immediately wax your star on the international circuit. Tbh, I hadn't even heard of Vipin Narang till his utterances got retweeted and talked about ...
by pankajs
09 Apr 2019 10:25
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 726
Views: 184364

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

I do not agree with that. We must have MIRV which can reach North and south America. It takes yrs to make and deploy these and need may arise suddenly and without warning. We will not survive by being nice. In 1971 it was uncle that threatened to attack us. It can happen anytime . We do not have to...
by pankajs
07 Mar 2019 14:15
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Replies: 2752
Views: 352306

Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Behave, we have brought two down, ISI men told Indian diplomats after February 27 dogfight India and Pakistan are hoping though that the Kartarpur meeting will help de-escalate tensions. Pakistan's decision to send a delegation and India's response Wednesday is being seen as a positive development ...
by pankajs
07 Mar 2019 14:10
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Mod note - Nonsense deleted user banned for a month
by pankajs
07 Mar 2019 13:52
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384395

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Karan M wrote:^^ They cant admit that an Indian shot down a F-16 so they are setting up the story for an Israeli to come in? :lol:

Yup. The worst in the baki mind is a defeat at the hands of a yindu. Anything is better than the Yindu even the Israelis.
by pankajs
07 Mar 2019 12:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

I think the chowkidar will just patch things up and move on in line with the pattern before Pulwama and after Balakot. Never say never BUT I would be surprised if it goes beyond that.
by pankajs
07 Mar 2019 12:12
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Replies: 2752
Views: 352306

Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

^^ My guess was for about $6-8 Billion (Approx.) i.e for IMF + Sovereign debt rollover but a $12 Billion will coverage for some of the Chinese loans plus New financing. Chellaney saab may not be the best source though he could be right in this instance. The powers that be have their own interest. Le...
by pankajs
07 Mar 2019 10:03
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Replies: 2752
Views: 352306

Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

It needs to be noted that it is Pakistan which is upping the ante at the border instead of the other way round. They fire with small arms, we respond. They move to higher calibre mortar rounds, we responded. They moved to 105 MM artillery, we copy it, they have also brought in the 155 MM heavy guns...
by pankajs
07 Mar 2019 01:30
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Replies: 2752
Views: 352306

Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

First part has aready been answered so lets move to the next. So far after Pulwama , pakis are leading 2:1 . It seems we are back to de-escalated mode . Pakis hit on 14th . We responded 12 days later. After we responded , pakis responded next day. Now , the Chanakyas are still devising strategies an...
by pankajs
06 Mar 2019 18:01
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terroristan - October 8, 2018
Replies: 2752
Views: 352306

Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Musharraf says on a news show that Pakistan's intelligence was involved in using Jaish e Mohammad for terror attacks in India. Watch the embedded video.

https://twitter.com/nadeemmalik/status/ ... 3860386817
by pankajs
06 Mar 2019 17:34
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion


Not for this thread ... delete.
by pankajs
06 Mar 2019 17:31
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384395

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Aditya_V wrote:Hope we get some SAM's and the AFgani?Pashtuni Awam get to let loose of F- Solah Pilots, all the Hassan's and Noman's.

Best would be to buy cheap Chinese maal to re-arm the warlords.
by pankajs
06 Mar 2019 17:30
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384395

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

whatever beatings pak gets, khan will use that to seek good behaviour along durand line. but per the article i found today in TOI, enrollment and arming of tribal levies and lashkars has started in NWFP to use in the post-trumpian afpak in concert with the taliban. they will want a quick victory ov...
by pankajs
06 Mar 2019 13:25
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Folks we need read reports/statements carefully before coming to conclusions. While the details are hazy but when one uses a report as the basis to draw a conclusion one must be true to the data in the report. Lets look at the TOI report as an example https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/use-of...
by pankajs
06 Mar 2019 01:31
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384395

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

esommuk wrote:POK is also Indian territory. How does crossing LoC and RoE logic apply. It is not IB that there could be other ramifications

Does IAF in normal course inside patrol POK? If not why? POK after all in Indian territory as you have pointed out.
by pankajs
05 Mar 2019 23:48
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384395

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

I would *think* giving chase or firing a missile at a PAF across the LOC is not part of regular ROE. This is where I'm lost. If IAF's ROE did not permit our pilots to shoot at PAF, across LOC, how/why did the mig 21 give a chase to paki f16 and shot it down across loc? I think none of us has a clos...
by pankajs
05 Mar 2019 23:38
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Iyersan wrote:What are we waiting for?

What do you want to do?
by pankajs
05 Mar 2019 23:34
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384395

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Yes but MKI not firing R-77 R-27 at multiple bogies respecting ROE is also significant. I was toeing the ROE line a few pages upthread but this new information is a little confusing. If an amraam is fired at you, should the roe not be to let the bars do its work and kill a few vipers. Or were the c...
by pankajs
05 Mar 2019 23:27
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384395

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Clearly we were following ROE and Pakis did not follow any rules . Time we should ambush some of their aircraft. Looking at the Multiple launches, it looks like more than 2 launches. As a rule we should know especially the Pakistani military do not play by the rules Forget the bit about *non-milita...
by pankajs
05 Mar 2019 23:22
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384395

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

SidSoma wrote:Man.... we are winning battles but not perceptions. What kind of crap is that Press release ??

Don't worry. GOI/Forces are putting out exactly what they want to be communicate. It will not satisfy everyone is also understood by them.
by pankajs
05 Mar 2019 14:00
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Shiv Aroor’s take: https://twitter.com/shivaroor/status/1102842228261584896?s=21 Navy releases footage to local media claiming it has 'detected' @IndianNavy submarine INS Kalvari. No word from navy yet, but if video/coordinates are authentic, then Indian Navy likely *wants* Pak to know that attack ...
by pankajs
05 Mar 2019 13:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Singha wrote:Navy chief also expressed his displeasure today morning in indo pacific conclave about sea borne terrorists being trained

Its not a good sign for krachi imo all these tea leaves even pm thinking of that place

Warning to bakis of sea based mischief and its cost.
by pankajs
05 Mar 2019 11:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

1. The nuke card is still being played BUT privately in conversations with other countries trying to get them to get India to backoff. That could be. However when one has a nukular bum, one does not go around privately stating that it will use them if India does not back off. Pat will come the resp...
by pankajs
05 Mar 2019 11:54
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Yesterday, when I heard baki-pasand jurnos complain that it does not suit an Indian PM to say something in the lines of "Ghar me gus ke maroonga" I too felt like Indian PM should be avoid such language instead prefer neutral sounding words to convey the same message like "We will not...
by pankajs
05 Mar 2019 11:35
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

1. The "Nookular flashpoint" line is gone. Somebody posted that this is a "sub-conventional" war. I think 1. The nuke card is still being played BUT privately in conversations with other countries trying to get them to get India to backoff. Publicly it is gone because chances of...
by pankajs
04 Mar 2019 13:45
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Has Dimran spoken yet on the issue after his parliamentary address on Wg Cmd Abhi?
by pankajs
04 Mar 2019 13:38
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

IAF chief at the press conference: the operations are still on going! Expect continued blackouts and airspace closure in Pakistan. This is interesting. 1. Could be a means to maintain pressure. 2. Could be that trust on sanctity RoE has broken down. 3. Make the costs [blackouts, air travel, etc] vi...
by pankajs
04 Mar 2019 13:27
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

^^
What about sanctity of the RoE when India executed Balakot? You see the sanctity is maintained EXCEPT when EXPLICIT political mandate is given to breach the RoE.

That at least is my understanding from the whole episode. I have no ideas what the actual RoEs are.
by pankajs
04 Mar 2019 13:20
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Would have sneaked back across the LOC and that terminated the engagement. RoE would prevent a chase or a shot across the LOC with a BVR missile.

Even now when both sides are on CAP mission from time to time either side would be in the BVR range of the other across the LOC
by pankajs
04 Mar 2019 12:46
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

a funny thing is happening in TN social media.. few fringes were always anti-modi and used to get some likes/RTs based on "tamil exceptionalism" sentiment etc. then they overplayed their hand by posting pro imran, pro pak, "asking questions" etc and now getting roundly thrashed....
by pankajs
04 Mar 2019 12:19
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

I have a theory for why there is no 'proof' shown by the GOI so far. Remember the Surgical Strike? There was absolute silence right after, while the idiots were clamoring for 'proof'. One year layer, enough proof was released by the Army to shut them up. Right after this 'Uri' released, and now the...
by pankajs
04 Mar 2019 10:01
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

https://www.livefistdefence.com/2019/03/modi-says-outcome-different-if-abhinandan-was-in-a-rafale-is-this-true-we-find-out.html Modi Says ‘Outcome’ Different If Abhinandan Was In A Rafale. Is This True? We Find Out The devil is in the translation. Here is another verison. https://twitter.com/Indian...
by pankajs
04 Mar 2019 09:52
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Yawn says Paki govt considering shutting down terror factories: https://www.dawn.com/news/1467524/govt-plans-decisive-crackdown-on-militant-outfits . Wonder if IK got ISI's permission on this matter, or will he be subject to their mehman-nawazi? Another tactical move. How many times will they ban t...
by pankajs
04 Mar 2019 09:38
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

I am little disappointed that a consensus is settling on de-escalation and that we should react only if attacked once again . IMHO, this will be totally wrong . Now that we have changed status quo and a new normal is established, it will be suicidal to go back to reactive mode. We must pre-emptivel...
by pankajs
04 Mar 2019 00:12
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Bakis have started a new propaganda based on the following tweet ... https://twitter.com/JmuKmrPolice/status/1101507392251068416 J&K Police Verified account @JmuKmrPolice DGP J&K Sh Dilbag Singh rewards police party; EX VDC member, civilians for Recovery of AMRAAM remnants in Reasi . Many ve...
by pankajs
03 Mar 2019 23:24
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538877

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Chinmayanand wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:Preferably Anna parachuted on Manjgu's side in squadron numbers


I do not know if i read you correct.
I infer that probably 18 eff solah were shot & 18 baki pilots parachuted in Indian territory.
:eek:

1+1 = 2; No more annas ...

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