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by pankajs
18 Oct 2018 15:47
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Do you mean to say L&T did not get any hand holding even for first project that it executed in the defense sector? Alpha did not get any hand holding from DRDO when it began? If we where to go back in history the hand holding will be apparent. Happens all the time for all sorts of projects. Tha...
by pankajs
17 Oct 2018 14:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

"I am sorry but you are stretching it too far for arguments sake. Are you are suggesting that Dassult, being the designer, the technology creator, the original manufacture and with operational control at DRAL will be unable to deliver at DRAL? That is beyond belief." The belief that you a...
by pankajs
17 Oct 2018 14:45
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Pardon my using several posts to address chunks of your post. I will address all points raised my you even ones where my lack of knowledge is on display. Continuing the thread from my last post. This is not a TOT project but a Joint-Venture. That has to be foremost in our minds. What is this JOINT ...
by pankajs
17 Oct 2018 09:20
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Pankajs, I am getting the impression that you think that knowledge & production manufacturing experience is plug-and-play and can be transferred at a moments notice & with some money transfer, agreements signed etc. It is ANYTHING but. When you have a deal of this magnitude, the partner org...
by pankajs
17 Oct 2018 01:10
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

You don't need a lot of experience to be a tier-II company making parts to print. All you need is a lot of money for Capex and for poaching good people from others. They can set-up a tier-2 company in short time. Especially when we are talking about Offset contracts which are served on silver platt...
by pankajs
17 Oct 2018 00:50
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Just to address this first point ... I couldn't agree with you MORE on the Experience or more specifically a minimum experience but my POV is different. How does this DRAL JV work out on this criteria? The work, whether for falcon or future Rafale will be executed by DRAL JV and not ADAG. This DRAL...
by pankajs
16 Oct 2018 19:36
Forum: Technology & Economic Forum
Topic: Technolgies useful for Indian problems
Replies: 693
Views: 109548

Re: Technolgies useful for Indian problems

PankajS, Please x-post in tech forum. The report reads lots of hype to me. Possible cross-post -------------- http://www.businessworld.in/article/Aiming-To-Be-First-AI-Unicorn-From-India/11-10-2018-162033/ Aiming To Be First AI Unicorn From India To begin with, an agent-based Real AI Processor (RAP...
by pankajs
16 Oct 2018 19:22
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Whine Thread-2
Replies: 40
Views: 3015

Re: Whine Thread-2

Mods if you see this post: Have we done away with the "Off Topic" thread? Would be very helpful having an Off Topic thread pinned at the top for easy access. ^^^you have comprehension problem unable to decode the satire ... I feel sorry for your problem. I sure could have helped you, if I ...
by pankajs
16 Oct 2018 19:14
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Added Later : Think of this another way. Scenario 1 : If L&T or ADAG where handed over a project in defense sector to "develop and execute" on their own, I would bet on L&T vs ADAG 10:1. Prior "development and execution" experience matters 100%. There is simply no compet...
by pankajs
16 Oct 2018 19:04
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

The handful of true product design and manufacturing firms like L&T have spent decades in working with DRDO to develop capabilities that make them far superior to any greenfield DRAL kind of set up . {DRAL which has Dassult as a 49% partner is qualified to execute aerospace projects.} To summar...
by pankajs
16 Oct 2018 18:30
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

While L&T has adequate experience is defense and aerospace in other areas, when it comes to core design/technology in Air to Air missile what is its expertise or experience? ZERO. It simply does not have the core design and technology competency in this segment . This is not to belittle L&T...
by pankajs
16 Oct 2018 17:34
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Pardon my using several posts to address chunks of your post. I will address all points raised my you even ones where my lack of knowledge is on display. Continuing the thread from my last post. This is not a TOT project but a Joint-Venture. That has to be foremost in our minds. I wonder whether you...
by pankajs
16 Oct 2018 17:05
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

There are 2 points that I would make on experience and inexperience. 1. First is a repeat of what I had written earlier. It is not ADAG that will be building the Air component or futures orders of Rafale but DRAL. What is DRAL? It is a 51:49 JV between ADAG and Dassault . This JV is not simply a TO...
by pankajs
16 Oct 2018 14:07
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Replies: 1883
Views: 235321

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Just stay on thread topic and not get too much into "satire" as you put it and you shall be fine.
by pankajs
16 Oct 2018 14:04
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Replies: 1883
Views: 235321

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

^^^you have comprehension problem unable to decode the satire... I feel sorry for your problem. I sure could have helped you, if I could, but I can't. Sure you satire is so powerful that it fools you too. All one has to do is read your posts. You definitely have a bigger comprehension problem than ...
by pankajs
16 Oct 2018 13:51
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Replies: 1883
Views: 235321

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

^^^ Sorry ... Shifting goalpost are we .... Original Actually, Yoga is American and Christian V/S This is what the court said, the moment you say Yoga is not for religious purposes, you lost your case. Yoga is Hindu tradition whose only aim is moksha. The moment you say otherwise, you lost Yoga . An...
by pankajs
16 Oct 2018 13:41
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Replies: 1883
Views: 235321

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

^^ Sorry! I know it is painful for some to accept the truth that has been validated all over the world. Even the US courts have accepted Yoga's hindu roots and the deluge of cases to get it off School menu are proof of an overwhelming majority Christian believers views on Yoga. You simply can't beat...
by pankajs
16 Oct 2018 12:44
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Replies: 1883
Views: 235321

Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Actually, Yoga is American and Christian Watch it... VFJFvcNogFU Dosn't matter what any one person claims. The records are clear enough and has been stamped at the UN, in US courts and world over. There are folks who call Moon landing as Hoax and 911 as an inside job, etc, etc. That doesn't change ...
by pankajs
16 Oct 2018 11:44
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Pankajs, I know you mean well, but L&T is hardly inexperienced in aerospace and defense. If it can make pressure hulls for nuclear submarines or nuclear reactors, design and develop all sorts of electro-mechanical systems along with DRDO, setting up a missile line is hardly a deal breaker for t...
by pankajs
16 Oct 2018 01:06
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector
Replies: 3294
Views: 307832

Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

http://www.businessworld.in/article/Aiming-To-Be-First-AI-Unicorn-From-India/11-10-2018-162033/#.W8JOL051-fw.twitter Aiming To Be First AI Unicorn From India To begin with, an agent-based Real AI Processor (RAP) invented by this software engineer , who chose to follow his heart by coming back to Ind...
by pankajs
15 Oct 2018 23:17
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

HAL was supposed to build the Rafale aircraft, Reliance is going to build a few parts for a business jet and later for Rafale aircrafts to meet the offset obligation. HAL was slotted to be prime integrator while Reliance would at best be a tire 2 component supplier. The Reliance deal would probably...
by pankajs
15 Oct 2018 22:41
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Posting here for continuity. That bleddy Mudi does it AGAIN! https://www.livefistdefence.com/2018/10/as-rafale-storm-rages-offsets-may-bring-2-big-missile-lines-to-indian-govt-firm.html As Rafale Storm Rages, Offsets May Bring 2 Big Missile Lines To Indian Govt Firm The fourth firm in the Rafale dea...
by pankajs
15 Oct 2018 20:22
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Maldives Civil-Military Issues
Replies: 1032
Views: 99534

Re: Maldives Civil-Military Issues

Fishing trawlers vs Proper navy ... my condolences for the ching chongs
by pankajs
09 Oct 2018 11:40
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: CAATSA...An Oxymoron?
Replies: 485
Views: 36495

Re: CAATSA...An Oxymoron?

Exactly .... Babudom's job it to lay out all options before the executive with its pros and cons and let the executive make the call.

If all Doval has done is to lay out the pros and cons in all sincerity he has done his job.
by pankajs
08 Oct 2018 13:49
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Pakistani Economic Stress Watch
Replies: 2123
Views: 246875

Re: Pakistani Economic Stress Watch

There are 2 points to note. 1. There is no default because of loan evergreening. You get a bigger loan from the same entity to repay it's past loan. This is magic. The Chinese do it for their SOEs and till recently the Indian PSUs did it for their favourite industralist. 2. Everyone involved is happ...
by pankajs
05 Oct 2018 14:30
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Cyber Warfare Discussion
Replies: 348
Views: 53954

Re: Indian Cyber Warfare Discussion

Such cocksure buffoons are as dangerous to "friends" as they are to their "enemies".

Bloomberg podcast that covers this story by one of its editors
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/audio/20 ... vp-podcast
Between 15:30 and 21:30
by pankajs
05 Oct 2018 13:58
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Cyber Warfare Discussion
Replies: 348
Views: 53954

Re: Indian Cyber Warfare Discussion

My view is that Trump is a baffoon BUT the "deep state" is using him and his campaign rhetoric to push its agenda "wherever it can". Why do I say that? Just check his reaction to the US Supreme court nominee's confirmation hearing. He was very obviously coached by someone to prai...
by pankajs
05 Oct 2018 13:22
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terroristan - July 27, 2018
Replies: 2848
Views: 151428

Re: Terroristan - July 27, 2018

Buell ... The depiction is green overpowering saffron and Hadith driven jasba overpowering hardware driven kuffar lead.

Fits nicely with previous and present theories of how mujahid have always overcome staggering odds.
by pankajs
05 Oct 2018 12:58
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Cyber Warfare Discussion
Replies: 348
Views: 53954

Re: Indian Cyber Warfare Discussion

Not to underestimate the threat from China but I have an alternative view to offer ... The timing is interesting and has to with ratcheting up pressure on China along side the trade related pressure. This is deliberate leak by the US "deep state" and the timing is a conscious choice under ...
by pankajs
04 Oct 2018 12:43
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017
Replies: 4728
Views: 881913

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

http://idrw.org/indian-air-force-wants-to-buy-second-lot-of-s-400-missile-systems-from-russia/ Is this a good idea? What does Airforce need S-400s for? They just have to protect Airbases which can be done with lesser range air defence systems. I am not against procuring more S-400s but shouldn't we...
by pankajs
03 Oct 2018 11:29
Forum: Technology & Economic Forum
Topic: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017
Replies: 2190
Views: 341800

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

^^ The post/report is political. How does one reach such a conclusion? Just check if the quote offered on the forum or the report is "selective". What about this in instance? Lets evaluate the post and the report on "selectivity". http://www.newindianexpress.com/business/2018/oct...
by pankajs
01 Oct 2018 17:34
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

What bothers me is that my hopes of seeing a private sector player emerge as a formal strategic partner to HAL have pretty crumbled . For me, Dassault tying up with RAL instead TASL would be like Saab getting a Gripen contract from Brazil and then tying up with Odebrecht instead of Embraer , in tha...
by pankajs
01 Oct 2018 16:31
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terroristan - July 27, 2018
Replies: 2848
Views: 151428

Re: Terroristan - July 27, 2018

"How Bollywood Targets The Hindus" is relevant to this thread? I was under the impression that the problem is between 2 sets of Indian. Such "internal" squabble should be kept to India related thread. Note: Re-written for clarity is it your premise that Hindu's being targeted by...
by pankajs
01 Oct 2018 13:03
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Terroristan - July 27, 2018
Replies: 2848
Views: 151428

Re: Terroristan - July 27, 2018

https://youtu.be/vV5eE3SENo0 How Bollywood Targets The Hindus vV5eE3SENo0 "How Bollywood Targets The Hindus" is relevant to this thread? I was under the impression that the problem is between 2 sets of Indian. Such "internal" squabble should be kept to India related thread. Note...
by pankajs
30 Sep 2018 01:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

If you read from the start of this discussion, the problem some folks on the forum and all opposition and their media allies have is that per them ADAG was "selected" by Modi and that is an indicator of corruption. In fact that is what the whole debate was about whereas you focus is more o...
by pankajs
29 Sep 2018 18:32
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

For example, at the moment, RDAL is producing components for the Falcon jets, which will be dispatched to the assembly line in Merignac. The valuation for those components will be done by Dassault and no doubt dutifully signed off by RDAL. They simply need to show that the required offset value as ...
by pankajs
29 Sep 2018 15:44
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Lets move on to the next item ... It isn't personal bias, its angst at seeing TASL screwed over for Anil Ambani, effectively putting an end to the Strategic Partner model that was so crucial to build a pvt sector alternative to DPSUs. ADAG's zero experience is a fact not a theory. And the problem wi...
by pankajs
29 Sep 2018 14:48
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 1424
Views: 198910

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

This news would generally be OT for this thread but relevant given the current focus on ADAG's grabbing a large chunk of the Rafale offsets witgout having any prior aerospace experience has caused indigestion to some folks. It is exactly in these times when personal bias is on display when one thin...

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