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by paragtope
06 Jun 2011 00:24
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

Ultimately, people - don't worry. What the regime is doing will ultimately rule out - by their own actions - "peaceful" resolutions. Indian prajaa had an ancient record of doing a "dimba" (or a violent "raashtrabiplava") with kings who had crossed all limits of toleran...
by paragtope
05 Jun 2011 22:30
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

I am worried about fate of BRD's movement. Ramdev Baba has to prop up more leaders around him. He has to create a second generation leaders around him. Upon watching press conference of Anna Hazare, I am worried about repetition of the MKG Vs Lal-Bal-Pal model of freedom struggle. Lal-Bal-Pal model...
by paragtope
20 May 2011 02:00
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

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Parag, There you have it. The first map should be Uttarapath and the next one Dakshinapath. If time permits one can map the area out of modern India in West Asia and another in East Asia. Kalinga was a source of expansion towards East Asia. In Indonesia, Hindus are still called Qulings! Excellent. ...
by paragtope
20 May 2011 01:59
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

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jambudvipa wrote:Can you give me the name of Maj.Joshis book?
Shivaji's Empire in the South - Maj. Mukund Joshi (retd). Not sure if it is available widely, but BISM sells it off their shelves.
by paragtope
18 May 2011 23:20
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

...furthermore, in case of smaller principalities of afghanistan, there is no way to show that they were dharmik while iran and CAR had islamized. Yes - it is important to agree on what parameter we use for demarcation? In theory we can create several layers - one of which could be Dharmik. However...
by paragtope
18 May 2011 23:14
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

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Jambudvipa ji - Atriji. Great - we now have a team :-) Here's an example for what I had done for ORL. I created all the vector maps in illustrator and animated them in flash. Jambudvipaji - inkscape expertise will be useful to scan/trace vector data. What I would like to do is to create something li...
by paragtope
18 May 2011 22:29
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

I had asked this question before and I ask it again.. can anyone make maps?.. rather than making, one only has to mark the boundaries and label them by using a software better than microsoft paint :P.. it has to look polished and professional and not amateur.. The india's part in story is all unsai...
by paragtope
18 May 2011 21:17
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

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Atri wrote:I have a feeling that instead of Panipat, if things unfold in this manner, Bahraich will repeat.. Bahraich is long overdue now.
Atriji - your Bahraich blog above is a must read for all BR readers. Brilliant!
by paragtope
18 May 2011 21:03
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

While Marathas lost the battle, much to the beleaguerment of GV Islamist pathan lobby, within 3 months after battle, India (Peshwa) and Afghanistan (Abdali) announced truce and Afghans retreated back and left this GV Islamist lobby at the mercy of revengeful Indians (Shindes destroying rohilkhand) ...
by paragtope
12 May 2011 09:08
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

Brihaspatiji - excellent questions. I have tried to answer them below.. and I think the answers are clearer in my head than they might be in my writing. Perhaps another conference discussion might make it easier to communicate. I am planning a local, bay area, face-to-face discussion with local BR f...
by paragtope
12 May 2011 03:59
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

Parag ji (if I may call you so!), this is a fundamental problem of social organization. Hierarchies will develop because hierarchies give incentives. But incentives are needed to extract individuals effort that also benefits the group. I think the "Geeta" tried to eliminate the incentive ...
by paragtope
12 May 2011 00:56
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

Most strategies/tactics/solutions concepts based on the "mutual acceptability" ultimately at least works theoretically because of this condensation of prefernces into money. I call this a pyramidal polity. Basically a temporarily stable solution where rewards increase based on hierarchy. ...
by paragtope
11 May 2011 02:57
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

There is difference between word of law and "spirit" of law.. When "word" of law is followed and not spirit of law, we get Duryodhan OR more aptly, Karna.. When Spirit of law is followed and "word" of law is compromised, we get Krishna When both Word and spirit of law ...
by paragtope
11 May 2011 02:49
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

abhischekcc wrote:
Sur literally means rhythm or 'in tune with'; whereas asur means non-rhythmic (or disruptive), or 'out of tune with'. The question then is - in or out of tune with what? The universe, or in practical terms means - nature.
Exactly!
by paragtope
11 May 2011 02:44
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

>>I define asuric polity as any top-down hierarchical system where power accumulates to the top, and the rule of law is supreme. Parag, do you mean 'rule by law'? Rule of law often degenerates into rule by law, as and when the rule making bodies are captured by special interest groups. Such a proce...
by paragtope
11 May 2011 02:19
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

(1) no mummies were ever found in known historical times within the pyramids. The "pyramid texts" do not describe any particular burial in the chambers. The structures differ from later burial organizations. Actually most recovered/indicated burials seems to have taken place in the valley...
by paragtope
10 May 2011 06:22
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

Need not have been dedicated to individual. The identification of pharaonic "temples/mortuaries" is based on just one single glyph phrase left by suspected "work-gangs". An alternative line is that it was a collective project that was supposed to give "magical" stabili...
by paragtope
10 May 2011 03:40
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

This one will hit the force of hisotry guys hard in the fundamentals. Pyramids built by leadership skills and not slavery ‘Pyramids were built by leadership skills, not slavery’ May 10, 2011 4:00:42 AM PTI It was the leadership skills of the rulers and not the bondage of slavery that motivated the ...
by paragtope
08 May 2011 04:13
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

Sabuktijin (Mahmud's uncle) usurped power of Gazni Janapada from Raja Shiladitya. Within 25 years of this transfer, raids of Mehmood on India started. Afghanistan resisted as a "indic" power against incursions of Islam for 250 years before falling to Islamic hordes. What were other "...
by paragtope
26 Apr 2011 23:48
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

ramana wrote:Armed struggle:
1857 -> Bengal and Punjab revolutionaries 1905 to 1947-> INA 1941-1945->RIN 1946

Parallel Movement got the credit:
INC 1885-1947
ML 1906-1947
Exactly... by isolating 1946 from 1941-45 and then marginalizing it.

Let's make sure that 1946 is rejoined with the 1941-45 war.
by paragtope
26 Apr 2011 23:37
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

I named it a revolt instead of a war. Atleast beats mutiny as in 1857 there were other apsects to the rising: election of leadership, polticial awareness by rising joint flags, ignition of civilian minds. etc. here is something for you: “Rascally Pandies and Feringhi Dogs” A study of British attitu...
by paragtope
26 Apr 2011 22:31
Forum: Military History Archive
Topic: RIN Revolt of 1946
Replies: 25
Views: 14454

Re: RIN Mutiny 1946

Ramanaji - let's see if we can create a new name for this event, because like 1857 it was more than a "mutiny." I suggest the "one day war" of 1946. Other suggestions are welcome. We can always refer to as the "RIN mutiny" to clarify the context. So much of the context ...
by paragtope
26 Apr 2011 22:26
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

I started a new thread on RIN mutiny 1946 to explore the importance of that event. Ramanaji - let's see if we can create a new name for this event, because like 1857 it was more than a "mutiny." I suggest the "one day war" of 1946. Other suggestions are welcome. We can always re...
by paragtope
21 Apr 2011 23:28
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

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Sushuptiji - I am glad to learn that you actually took the trouble to flip to the references and read the portions from the notes. :-) Parag Tope ji, I am reading the entire appendix, the various references, the letters along with their translations and everything else as I read your book. Thats wh...
by paragtope
21 Apr 2011 21:09
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
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1. Exiled Asuric Indians 2. Indian Asuric Emigrants who saw themselves being "stifled" by Indic polity. My guess is that Abraham was either an Indian emigrant or an exilee, a top of his class desi asura, who was arrogant enough to call himself Brahma (or perhaps a-brahma - the opposite of...
by paragtope
21 Apr 2011 20:46
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
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We tend to think of Sindhu Saraswati civilization as land based. What of it was not? What if it was part of a maritime empire? What if before 3000 the centre of this maritime empire was on the western shores of India. . The Sumerians speak of their gods having come out of the water and returning to...
by paragtope
21 Apr 2011 20:33
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

bji, So they lost vowel sounds in the journey? Lets see what Klaus comes up with. My doubt about Egypt is too far away. Well, I would consider the state-forming portion of Egyptian history as possibly also being led by colonizing/emigrating Indians from the western coast. Or the eastern shores of A...
by paragtope
21 Apr 2011 08:13
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

Parag maybe the coordinators of such a large group were the Hindutva folks from the reactions of the psec leaders. The congress leaders were completely taken by surprise. Most did not even know that the English had already announced their plan to withdraw from India the following day. Yes - I suspe...
by paragtope
21 Apr 2011 00:03
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

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Parag jee in his book has explained this quite well in context of Japan. How that society progressed and became an industrial and military super-power with no help from whites. Specially in the reference section where he refutes the "Brits gave Railways to India" bull crap. i havn't read ...
by paragtope
20 Apr 2011 23:32
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

Moreover the Naval uprising was heaven-sent for them. The Congress could then pose as the more moderate option to the Brits to whom the Brits could appear to "gift/donate" Indian independence. Moreover the Congress could raise the fear of what would the alternative be. for the Brits if th...
by paragtope
20 Apr 2011 22:01
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

JLN's "pseudo-socialist" approach should not be allowed to fool us. It was in reality more a "radical capitalist" strategy for an economy where the pre-existing big-biz would not invest in the the "basic goods" sector (well this again is a term which is quite common in...
by paragtope
20 Apr 2011 21:56
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

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SCB's problem was to start the mass action in Bengal - where he would have to use sections of the Muslims to make it effective, also given the fact that the Dacca Nawabs were quite influential and held Bengal Muslims on a collaborative line with the Brits. This in turn would make him suspect in the...
by paragtope
20 Apr 2011 08:31
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

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http://bharatendu.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/subhas-chandra-bose-5/ what is your opinion, guys? this is part 4.. read all 4 parts before forming an opinion.. Quoting Bharatendu's blog: a) without Moslem approval neither can Swaraj be won, and what is more, nor was it worth winning without their suppo...
by paragtope
18 Apr 2011 23:52
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

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A blog article on How 1857 changed the world history Very informative and something to think about. Yes - I had given Anuraag a draft copy of ORL before it was published. Anuraag cover's several topics on his two blogs Quicktake and 2ndLook He hasn't blogged lately, but he is a prolific blogger. He...
by paragtope
18 Apr 2011 04:15
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
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Parag, About 17th Lancers of British Army: In December 1857 the 17th arrived in India to help quell the Indian Mutiny. By the time the 17th was ready to commence operations in 1858, the mutiny was effectively over. The 17th took part in the pursuit of rebel leader Tantia Topi. During the pursuit, t...
by paragtope
01 Feb 2011 03:28
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat
Replies: 2455
Views: 548542

Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Atri wrote:I have written a blog article on similar topic.. Parag tope ji, can you please drop an email on atri(dot)brf at gmail (dot) com? ppt would be easier to disseminate..
will do...

my email address if anyone needs it is paragtope at gmail dot com
by paragtope
01 Feb 2011 03:26
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat
Replies: 2455
Views: 548542

Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Some aspects are directly addressed in ORL. See my comments below. Would first start with founding of the Maratha kingdom and its ideals. Why was Shah Alam not replaced? Describe the rise of EIC Gandhiji's role leading to 1947. Show the continuity in thought and action from Shivaji's time to modern ...
by paragtope
26 Dec 2010 03:33
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

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Thanks a lot, parag tope ji. The presentation was informative and am cursing myself for missing the webcast. Sure. We could do another one next month. Whether or not people read Operation Red Lotus, I think 1857 offers us an empowering message that needs to be shared. I am always ready to talk abou...
by paragtope
26 Dec 2010 03:30
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65176

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

What is the hidden motive of historians, education system, and some sections of media painting Hindus as a 'subdued' and a 'soft' race. Yet, burdening them with 'Hindu guilt'? What makes India's history unique are two things: One, its unbroken continuity as the world's oldest living civilization. N...