Bharat Rakshak

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5)During China's internal military excreise, J-10 (short distnace coupling canards) have always beaten the crap out of convetional layout Su-27/30s, for instance: 1 J-10 vs 4 Su-27s, 4:0 http://mil.jschina.com.cn/2009/1105/1664.htm 2 J-10s vs 4 Su-27s, again, 4:0 http://dh.jgjy.gov.cn/shownews.asp?...

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NRao wrote:What is a "Gothic strake"? "Gothic" implies 400 years old.

Must be a chinese term that the rest of the world does not understand

And this is the "expert" that claiming J-20 is rooted from the junk called MiG-1.44

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The design has two very significant benefical features: 1, It will make the aircraft become highly-agile, based on Song's wind tunnel tests, when other factors are controlled, in terms of dog-fight performance/agility, lifting-body canard blending with gothic strakes (J-20)>>short-distanced couplin...

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REALLY, I am so impressed with your knowledge oh all-knowing ... I don't flaunt my degrees around like you, cause I don't think it proves anything :). You prove you know things by ... you got it by proving things scientifically ... you don't seem to know anything after reading the journals. In acad...

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I have degrees than you can count. And, have impacted more people than you can think. Long back too. ALL with mathematics. So, you can continue your crap about some Song wind tunnel data. Which is fine. After all it makes abreadbox fly - we have seen that. Some director of what? J-20 is the best he...

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He is just overloading with URLs. That is it. Math and eng? What has to do with Song and crow crap I am not sure. Typical Chicom stuff. If you have no idea about what all academic research is about, be quiet pls. The estiential of most science and engineering displines is mathematics and of cause, ...

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Wen, The guys in your design offices know quite well. They put things up quite smartly. I have the highest respect for them. The problem is big mouths like you who don't understand even the basics and start to explain stuff which you don't understand. Learn atleast the right reasons why your engine...

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The design has two very significant benefical features: 1, It will make the aircraft become highly-agile, based on Song's wind tunnel tests, when other factors are controlled, in terms of dog-fight performance/agility, lifting-body canard blending with gothic strakes (J-20)>>short-distanced couplin...

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J-20 get an unique aerodynamic layouts: lifting-body canard blending in Gothic strake/leading edges. Gothic?!! Nice name :). The design has two very significant benefical features: 1, It will make the aircraft become highly-agile, based on Song's wind tunnel tests, when other factors are controlled...

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J-20 get an unique aerodynamic layouts: lifting-body canard blending in Gothic strake/leading edges. The design has two very significant benefical features: 1, It will make the aircraft become highly-agile, based on Song's wind tunnel tests, when other factors are controlled, in terms of dog-fight p...

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Mr. Troll, can you qualify your statement in physical capabilities! Sure I do J-20 get an unique aerodynamic layouts: lifting-body canard blending in Gothic strake/leading edges. The design has two very significant benefical features: 1, It will make the aircraft become highly-agile, based on Song'...

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The same website you quoted has this to say about J20: http://online.wsj.com/video/what-the-j20-signals-about-chinas-military-might/47FA2A2F-F274-4A4C-86DC-7F0AA42F00B7.html?mod=WSJ_article_related We all know where the J20 exactly stands as of now. Time to stop talking about how stealthy it is. OK...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-9 You were saying? So you basically fly them one way and park them or allow the pig to get shot in the air, eh? Nice going. The Russians MUST learn this from China. :rotfl: PS: They will, once they are done counting all the money they're collecting for deliver...

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Sure, that is the right explanation. I told you there are two wings and an undercarriage that they must've copied from the L-15. :rotfl: Sure everybody had to learn from the L-15. heh. Go on, entertain us, lil troll. Why don't you list all the features that you think are copied? Are you blind? besi...

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Really? heh... you're fantastic at entertaining us. Go on troll, tell us how the mighty J-9 took off on Chinese engines. Oh, that can't be true, right? We forgot - China cannot manufacture engines! :rotfl: Sure you built planes that the Russians had to copy... Sure. I got a wall you might like. How...

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Sure they all look the same - they have two wings, vertical stabilizers, and probably engines. Can you distinguish the differences between one wing design and another? That's why no one takes Chinese drones seriously. You're on Comedy Central and the joke is on you. :lol: You must be blind to deny ...

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Marten wrote:I forget what China copied. Was it the F-22 or the Mig? Who cares anyways, it is a cheap copy and looks like a fat Shanghai wh*re.

MiG-1.44 is basically a rip-off of Chinese J-9VI-II developed in 1970, just learn to live with it

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well the J20 does look like the son of Mig-31 and FBC-1 both of whom ate too many dim sums and fatty duck roast :rotfl: they need to add a third engine for performance :D AMCA: http://oi55.tinypic.com/6nwpjo.jpg Japanese's stealth training plane: http://oi53.tinypic.com/2njzlll.jpg Chinese L-15 tra...

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Kanson wrote:
IMVHO, PAK-FA makes J-20 looks like a 6th generation fighter.
Correct, it is always looks. Who cares what each is capable of.

Sure, who knows if a MiG-25's RCS will be lower or higher than that of a F-22 if the poor MiG-25 can get the same RAM coating F-22 gets

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AMCA looks more like a 5th generation training plane instead of a 5th generation fighter. Both AMCA and the japanese project looks like the son of a downsized F-15 and Chinese training plane L-15. I thought you would have added F-22 in that list. :rotfl: Althrough I am sure they both tried to copy ...

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What is a 6th gen Fighter for Christ sake ..... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Acc to chinese experts ....Fighter that dozes another fighter in dog fight by turning left with Right indicator on .....or.... which can pass through Great wall without after burners.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: ...

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AMCA looks more like a 5th generation training plane instead of a 5th generation fighter.

Both AMCA and the japanese project looks like the son of a downsized F-15 and Chinese training plane L-15.

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To be honest, just placing J-20 and PAK-FA side by side, you would not believe they are belong to the same generation of fighters, IMVHO, PAK-FA makes J-20 looks like a 6th generation fighter. You know, just believe your own eyes: http://oi55.tinypic.com/w7eq8n.jpg http://oi52.tinypic.com/aox6y8.jpg

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Lets be honest OK? Being stealth is all about details, and we all know the pesudo 5th generation fighter called PAK-FA dont bother too much with details. PAK-FA, as we all know, is a very poor attempt of trying to develop 5th generation fighter. And its really ironic for some "experts" her...

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And which china brought in numbers and is the mainstay of PLAF.... ohh then whats a J-11? Copy of a copy? I am sorry dude, get a life some where else!!! :rotfl: Shouldnt su-27 be considered as a rip-off of F-15, so it doesnt has any copyright to begin with I guess :rotfl: I am pretty sure China hav...

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The closest "all wavelength" stealthy object is a black hole. What kind of djinn technology is this on a plane ? Since when blackhole is stealth? you are suggesting you cannot find a black shadow right in front you under light? Being stealth means that it should mainly allow the waves eit...

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Actually I failed to see the logic here, since so many techs in the US is developed by Chinese americans and funded by Chinese money, whats wrong with claiming some ownership of some of these techs to save a few times and money We all know its not like American could afford to pay back all the mone...

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Actually I failed to see the logic here, since so many techs in the US is developed by Chinese americans and funded by Chinese money, whats wrong with claiming some ownership of some of these techs to save a few times and money? Dude, seriously, are you approved to hit post button? We all know its ...

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Dang, why are you telling us this in 2011? Anyways, I seriously think the J-20 is an achievement, even if it copied. It takes guts to copy and then modify to suit. You know, they have to build real wind tunnels, write papers (granted in languages we cannot read - hey such is life), build a tech dem...

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NRao wrote:Wen,

It is OK. No harm.

Since when it is harming? I just feel amused by your rather creative and colorful claims

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Noticed that long back. ........................ not polite on our part to state that......................... Like the J-20 there is a void of sorts........modifying copied design does lead to difficulties. It is inherent in the process. Sympathies are there for the taking. Dont waste our time, I ...

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AND the F-22, and ...... and ...... and a wind tunnel model + a few papers. Like I said, we will see what comes out in 2020 or so. In Nov of 2009, the vice-commander of China Airforce general claimed our own stealth fighter will conduct maiden flight soon and will be deployed between 2017-2019. And...

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Actually there are papers on this issue. For instance, a paper written by scholars from a top graduate school in aero-science/engineering in China, quantitiviely estimated an average convential designed canards (e.g. without the consideration of aligment with main wings, etc), just with an average ...

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Actually PAF-FA looks more like a poor man's F-15 :rotfl: Someone actually missed the memo? Wow!!! Not even close. Besides, BOTH the PAK-FA and the J20 are tech demos. What comes out of them will be seen around 2020ish. This is rich from a guy who has the nerve claiming J-20 looks like a MiG-1.44 :...

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The problem is one primary feature of 5th generation fighter is being "stealth", and research shows that stealth is achieved 70% by the aircraft's aerodynamic layouts. We could argue about this forever and ask if a huge aircraft with 2 mainwings , 2 tailplanes, two canards, which are them...

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A true 5th generation fighter should looks like this, IMVHO: This is 100% correct as long as you define 5th gen by looks and not by technologies. Since 90% of people on internet fora define by looks alone - 5th gen is more like a fashion show and the looks count more than anything else. So no dispu...

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Yes. In this case, it is like the MiG-1.44 was the TD (technology demonstrator) and the J-20 is the PV (prototype). This probably has trimmed quite a few years in China's effort when compared to having to go with a completely new design (and other hardware/software/know-hows) from scratch. Nothing ...

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Looking at the J-20 design, it is clearly derived from the MiG-1.44 MFI (which flew in 2001) but with reshaping of the front to be more of a F-22/35 design (nose, cockpit, inlets) as well as other VLO enhancements. MiG-1.44 MFI http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2044/1.44_02.jpg Maybe the Chi...

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