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by Doddel
09 Mar 2011 19:10
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

what is the use of swedish net centricity for us?? :eek: i am not speaking of Sweden but India. IAF is still in the process of networking it's assets both airborne and ground. IIRC to be completed by 2012. here is a link for you - The swedish datalink is increasing gripen's capability manifold and ...
by Doddel
07 Mar 2011 16:49
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

besides to get a complete picture of the situational awareness what one needs is net-centricity capability where all ground radars, awacs, other aircraft radar info, UAV info etc... can all be fused and sent to the fighters in question. in IAF case, while the AFNET grid is on, the IACCS is being pu...
by Doddel
07 Mar 2011 16:14
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

do you have any source that the Rafale will get a different type of Meteor?? Meteor will be 'network-enabled'. A two-way datalink will allow the launch aircraft to provide mid-course target updates or retargeting if required, including data from offboard third-parties. The datalink will be able to ...
by Doddel
07 Mar 2011 13:49
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

@Doddel Gripen vs Rafale (A2A): - Gripen has a much better Datalink (no one here has been able to show anything else). I think this is the greatest and most important advantage for gripen. This advantage will be even greater when AWACS support is limited. Rafale is much more dependent on AWACS. imo...
by Doddel
07 Mar 2011 13:28
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

on a side note even SU 30MKI does the same thing - acting as 'mini awacs' due to its high power radar and sharing the radar info with 4 others. however the ODL is not as good. The Su-30MKI can function as a 'mini-AWACS' and can act as a director or command post for other aircraft. The target co-ord...
by Doddel
07 Mar 2011 02:21
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

Bottom line is when the gripen C/D visited Reims AFB (close to st dizier, the nest of the rafales) in 2007 and were pitched against the rafale they were dominated in almost every aspects. report made about this swedish detachment in 2007 (from Air fan magazine) In an article of Air Fan of May 2007,...
by Doddel
05 Mar 2011 18:47
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

i doubt if the datalink could not be detected/jammed. i agree it may be better resistant but surely not jam-proof. It has a range of 500 km and is highly resistant to jamming; almost the only way to jam the system is to position a jammer aircraft directly between the two communicating Gripens. http...
by Doddel
05 Mar 2011 18:06
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

(Don't really like this system with colors :wink: ) I am pretty sure that it is not greatly important in combat, Nobody launches a BVR missile at max ranges, the escape limits for opposing aircraft are high as they have a long warning time. They normally wait until the adversary is well within the r...
by Doddel
05 Mar 2011 17:03
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

Doddel, these are the 2 links wrt Rafale datalinks. i don't understand when you say they are only one-way when they can communicate with air/ground control assets. are you saying the data is communicated to all by the aircraft in question and not the otherway?? then what would be the meaning of 'si...
by Doddel
05 Mar 2011 16:11
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Views: 976786

Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

Also i have been checking up a bit and the Rafale does have a two way datalink to communicate with other aircraft in the flight, so most of what you say for the gripen also holds for the rafale. So I guess it is true that it uses a 2-way link between a/c. So that makes it more comparable to EF. Acc...
by Doddel
05 Mar 2011 15:02
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

(Again, lots of problems with BVR combat and electronic interference and jamming, so a lot of times you cannot take a BVR shot) AESA is very hard to JAM. A group of gripens with AESA sharing radar data with the datalink (TIDLS) will be even harder (impossible?) to jam. How do you JAM a gripen thats...
by Doddel
05 Mar 2011 14:09
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

Compared to EF Rafale has: - Slower max speed (has no real difference in air combat, except to reach combat area, but more than that fuel consumption at max AB is the biggest limitation to speed.) Are you sure it is not important? But the max speed is greater and it is an advantage. How much can be...
by Doddel
05 Mar 2011 13:18
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

I dont know what gave you the idea that the Rafale is compromised with respect to the EF in A2A... Compared to EF Rafale has: - Slower max speed - Less potent METEOR - Less capable datalink - Lower maximum ceiling Compared to Gripen Rafale has: - Less potent METEOR - Much less capable datalink - Hi...
by Doddel
05 Mar 2011 12:44
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

I believe the importance of the tactical datalink is not discussed enough. Seems like it is forgotten by many when comparation of the fighters are made. The gripen datalink will give it some interresting advantages in both A2A and A2G over the competitors. This datalink communicates directly between...
by Doddel
03 Mar 2011 20:15
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

Viv S wrote: Missile HAL huh?
Sorry should be NAG... not HAL. I edited my post
by Doddel
03 Mar 2011 20:06
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

When I search for the missile HELINA it seems to be the missile HAL. Missile HAL huh? I left the source... Nag will be configured to be used on the Advanced Light Helicopter(ALH) and the HAL Light Combat Helicopter(LCH). This version will be known as HELINA (HELIcopter NAg). source: http://en.wikip...
by Doddel
03 Mar 2011 19:43
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/06/23/224826/eurofighter-typhoon-proves-close-air-support-credentials-for-raf.html Newspiece of Eurofighter a2g testing and green flag 2008. I cannot find any info in that source of any A-2-G - missiles... just bombs. So I guess it can't. Please quote the p...
by Doddel
03 Mar 2011 19:03
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

It can perform all strike missions that the IAF requires it to, adequately. It can currently employ the Paveway series of PGMs, dumb bombs and will be integrated with the Brimstone. In IAF service, it will also be a platform for the Nirbhay ALCM and perhaps a variant of the HELINA. It isn't lacking...
by Doddel
03 Mar 2011 18:46
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

I will admit that i was sorely misinformed about the EF's A2G abilities, as i had put them at 'non-existent', but someone please convince me, give me SOME source that will at least remotely state that the EF is a multirole platform that excels in BOTH A2A and A2G roles. It can perform all strike mi...
by Doddel
02 Mar 2011 16:38
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Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

^^^ i think that is not correct. there is NO BUDGET to aquire the aircraft why? because these countries prioritise health, social benefits and pensions above defence for political purposes. defence in their case means offense - i.e. fighting wars overseas. ... So does Sweden and Gripen has full cap...
by Doddel
21 Feb 2011 16:47
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

Sholdn't this be quite a big disadvantage for Rafale in BVR combat? Meteor will be 'network-enabled'. A two-way datalink will allow the launch aircraft to provide mid-course target updates or retargeting if required, including data from offboard third-parties. The datalink will be able to transmit m...
by Doddel
19 Feb 2011 08:07
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

- One Gripen jam the EF radar while the other is tracking - both gripens will have a full radar picture while the EF will be blind. - Both Gripens have there radars in in passive mode and is tracking the EF:s radar. Two gripens is enuogh to by triangulation calculate speed and position of the EF. -...
by Doddel
18 Feb 2011 14:58
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

Lets say 2 Gripen costs as much as 1 EF and will be able to do the same missions, with the same payload..., you also need 2 pilots and twice the ground crew, because you have to maintain them at the same time. That means, while the costs per unit and per hour are similar, the workload to operate mo...
by Doddel
17 Feb 2011 14:39
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Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

If EF is chosen, these could be purchased and updated to IAF standards and that way another 3 squadrons could be raised quickly to address shortfall in numbers within the next 5 years. Please tell me.... why would India buy 3 squadrons of obsolete (or soon to be) a/c? The plane is too expensive to ...
by Doddel
17 Feb 2011 01:00
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Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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News from: Monday 10 January 2011 After cuts in RAF budget: It has also emerged that the RAF is to scrap more than 50 Eurofighter/Typhoon jets which became operational only three years ago at a cost of more than £4.5bn because it cannot afford to update them. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jan/10...
by Doddel
15 Feb 2011 16:33
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Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

Juggi G About the Eurofighter... When should it be able to carry all those weapons? Today it can only carry a single bomb (Enhanced Paveway II/III laser guided bomb). No ground or naval strike missiles. How does it look with the A2A weapons? The absence of such a capability is believed to have been ...
by Doddel
14 Feb 2011 16:33
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

Sancho wrote: Hi, besides that this is a purly mathematic comparison, it uses many wrong, or at least debatable figures. It mathematics is not allowed... How is it possible to make calculation of how cost effective a fighter is? Almost all numbers that can be found is debatable. From the Brazilian c...
by Doddel
10 Feb 2011 19:53
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

more a/c however mean more ground and aircrew...quite costly in that, more parking areas, more housing, more logistics for spare parts, more radars/engines/IRST/LDP/EW to keep in shape constantly...its not a clean cut deal. Thats a good point. But I think all these costs are already included in the...
by Doddel
10 Feb 2011 19:28
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

I made a follow up from my one of my last post on unit price and maintenance cost to compare the mmrca contenders. Unit cost: Rafale: ~US$84.48 million EF: ~US$83.16 million F-16IN: US$50 million F/A-18E/F: US$58 million Gripen NG(IN): US$48 million MiG-35: US$38.5 million source: http://en.wikipedi...
by Doddel
10 Feb 2011 00:52
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

A mathematical argument of this kind will always support 'cheaper' aircraft since it assumes that both aircrafts have similar combat effectiveness. Because on cost alone, the MiG35 wins hands down. Mathematics is something very useful... lets not ignore that. I didn't assume anything about the comb...
by Doddel
09 Feb 2011 23:09
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

Sure... It can be problems with the engine, but this even worseis if an american plane is selected. But isn't it possible to buy a lot of extra engine parts from the start. The Gripen is so much cheaper. Or maybe the extra money can be used to develope an own engine. India can use some of the money ...
by Doddel
09 Feb 2011 22:27
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010

Hi everyone Been following this interresting forum for a while now and this is my first post. Been thinking about cost effectiveness and bang per buck about the different aircrafts. Made a few calculations on bang per buck. I don't have time to compare all the aircrafts so I am just comparing Gripen...